the point is you need controls, whether you have one currency or 1000
without controls, entitites speculate/ horde/ flood for profit and it destabilizes the currency(ies)
the problem is you imagine that without a government manipulating the currency, that no one will manipulate the currency
but in reality, remove government manipulation, and you still get manipulation. the only difference being, the government is accountable to the people, or at least accountable to the concept of stability. while manipulation by nongovernmental actors is self-serving, be damned the health of the currency and the society. in fact, in their schemes, their profit is often a direct consequence of instability, such that they actively seek instability
this is all basic stuff. why do people comment on and have opinions on subject matter they do not completely understand?
that your mind worries about an implausible scenario (and then, still, solves the implausible problem badly) is why i call you this
choosing your personal currency policy because anarchy might happen is like packing for disney world with the consideration a zombie outbreak will occur
"going to enchanted kingdom, yeah! let's see... signal flares, tourniquet, rpg, broad spectrum antibiotics..."
if the major currencies of the world experience an extreme disruption, we are all fucked. no matter how much gold you did or did not hide under your mattress. a better hedge bet than gold in that scenario would be to invest in gang membership and heavy weaponry. then just go and take any fucking gold you want. because that's what happens when societies collapse on the order of anarchy: the rise of warlords
and bitcoin in anarchy? are you out of your fucking mind? dude, in real anarchy THE INTERNET ISN'T WORKING ANYMORE
please stop reading bad science fiction fantasy and pay more attention to reality
again, absurd. because bad governance means bad society. currency choice is some tangential pointless issue that solves none of your real problems in such a scenario
>>>so in practice the choice is between "bad government with bad currency" and "bad government with good currency"
if you believe that, and you live in a western democracy, you are a spastic hysterical twit who has no fucking clue how bad things can really get
so if i use bitcoin as a hedge against inflation, you would call me historically wise and longsighted?!
furthermore, if the major currencies of the world experience an extreme disruption, we are all fucked. no matter how much gold you did or did not hide under your mattress
a better hedge bet than gold in that scenario would be to invest in gang membership and heavy weaponry. then just go and take any fucking gold you want. because that's what happens when societies collapse on the order of extreme currency disruption: the rise of warlords
of course, mad max is not going to happen
(season my last statement with the current load of paranoia you carry around)
but let's go ahead and talk about mad max anyways: if society and its currencies destabilize on the order certain paranoid wackjobs constantly imagine it will, i am becoming a simple farmer. everyone needs potatoes. you can come give me krugerrands or point a gun at me (watch your back) for my potatoes, no problem. but i'm not going to horde gold up front, and therefore put a target on my head, and i'm not going to get a high power gun, and therefore die in some senseless firefight. i'm going to lay low, with a hoe, and a rake, and some seeds, and let mad max do what mad max will do in the next valley over
and that's a survival strategy friend. sorry it doesn't fit in with crackpot fantasy lives. too boring i guess
but i have to make sure that you aren't thinking of the concept in simplistic black and white terms
there is
1. complete control of currency (wrong, agreed) 2. currency controls. some bad, some good. but this concept does not represent complete control of the currency
what doesn't exist is no currency controls at all. simply because such a society does not function
please mod the parent comment up, it's just too perfect
did you imagine yourself as clint eastwood or arnold schwarzenegger when you wrote that? did you have a toothpick in your mouth and a gun in your hand and did the music swell in the background?
protip:
if i describe you as engaging in nothing but simpleminded cartoon buffoonery, it helps not to prove my point by embracing the behavior further. you actually need to engage the world with more than stereotypical action movie tropes and idioms
i'm not sure if you have the social toolset and/ or the psychological flexibility to appreciate the thought, but here goes anyway:
i want you to try to imagine a world where those who have a different opinion than you are not one dimensional bad guys in a bad movie you saw once. that what motivates their words might not automatically be the pit of all evil in a manichean black and white universe
you can't actually get anywhere in life by labeling all opposition to your opinion as fascist. in fact, the truth is, true fascism flows from thinking in the world in black and white ways that only you currently demonstrate in this conversation
if you find your way to understanding what i just wrote, you will find your social experience infinitely enriched
you have a great future in hollywood writing scripts for simpleminded shallow movies with bad dialog
sadly, here, your comments only serve to painfully demonstrate the social/ mental handicap that keeps you imprisoned on your paranoid fringe: an inability to view the world and its actors as anything more than cartoonish extremes
money is nothing but an abstract representation of the value of a society. without society, there is no money. any society that is going to have good currency is one that also has good governance
therefore, the very idea of thinking about currency, divorced from good governance, is an absurdity
to pursue currency without government is simply a symptom of bad social skills, horrible indoctrination/ terrible education, and or/ mental illness, something in the realm of paranoia
i'm not entirely sure when faced with the same mental vomit over and over again why it is my responsibility to find a new creative path to sanity for the crackpot. it is the crackpot's responsibility to make fucking sense
where they have a legitimate gripe that resonates across the masses, you get revolutions. where they have loony complaints that leaves people rolling their eyes, you get cranks
bitcoin is the crank's currency. cranks don't do legitimacy
so bitcoin will lose its lustre with those who launched it onto slashdot's front page for the past few years
look out for the rise of the new utopian idealization project:
the worst lightning strike will not cause the extinction of mankind, but there are asteroids out there that could do this
if you ignore lightning, people die every year from it in a statistically dependable way. so you can ignore lightning and personal tragedies may come and go, but there are no society level tragedies. ever
meanwhile, if you ignore asteroids, you could go 100,000 more years and never have a problem more serious than the tunguska event
or... the entire species could cease to exist in a few years
no one knows
the regular rate of devastating asteroid strikes is far far far lower than a lightning strike
but the potential scale of destruction of an asteroid strike is far far far higher than a lightning strike
people do this all the time: construct horrible, failed analogies to explain phenomenon in their world, then use the horrible analogies as a rhetorical or cognitive stand in for the phenonmenon, thereby misrepresenting twisting and otherwise lying about the meaning of the phenomenon
there has to be a term for this sort of horrible analogy failure in the realm of logic and rhetoric. it seems like a regularly recurring motif
for political causes, this sort of analogy failure is probably done on purpose by the malicious, and then taken as truth by the foolish
so go make your own society, where such controls don't exist
and after you get ripped off, by... get this... criminals... learn your lesson the hard way
criminality exists in this world. i'm sorry this bothers you, and i'm sorry in your naive rage you blame those who pursue criminality rather than criminality itself
of course, many types of actions should not be classified as crime, and many tactics used to fight criminality should be changed, discarded, or improved
but this doesn't change the fact that criminality is real, if unopposed it grows, and the vast majority of society has no problem with tactics like this to fight criminal organizations
welcome to reality
deal with it
or throw your useless tantrums shouting "fascist!" like an ignorant spoiled teenager whose dad didn't let him have the car keys
if the opposition fighters, all of them, were radical hardcore fundamentalists (which isn't true, even of the religious fighters), this would still be better than Assad the butcher
in this world, you don't get to pick between absolute evil and shining pure good
in the real world, on any political choice, in every country, forever, you get to pick between
1. shit, and 2. slightly better than shit
but unfortunately this doesn't stop certain fools from judging all political forces from the point of view of idealism
the best way to punish ugly abuses (swatting), is not to champion ugly abuses (prison rape)
if someone violated my family in such a way, i would have violent fantasies about them getting their comeuppance too
but we're talking about governmental policy here, not private revenge fantasies
when the state itself is in the business of violent revenge, then the state itself is the worst offender
it also teaches society how to function, how to handle yourself: with brutality. the state sets the tone for how society should solve its disputes
you actually end brutality by structuring society's punishments so they are neither retributive nor punitive, but more like grey cold empty chill out sessions
there's no punishment worse than a boring, mundane, pointless existence. but inflicting pain, psychologically, focuses the mind, it gives it something to organize the meaning of life around. it turns criminals into martyrs, at least in their own mind, and it makes them and others who sympathize with them (and when you inflict pain, you always find sympathizers) organize their lives around finding meaning in being your enemy and inflicting YOU pain. you basically starting up a cycle of violence
seriously. it's not even an interesting collection of complaints, it's a quite common and mediocre litany
i suppose the fuckwit actually believes the US govt will persecute them for complaining about lack of universal healthcare?
i've insisted we should have universal healthcare quite emotionally in a number of posts, and i'm not behind 14 proxies
so the US govt is going to drone strike me now? this is what this fuckwit seems to believe
what the hell is wrong people, how can they be so fucking deluded about basic reality?
they don't seem to be stupid, so it must be a sort of psychological problem, this insistence on being persecuted as an aspect of their reality, when obviously there is no such persecution
you'd have to threaten the presidents life before they actually began caring
in China, Cuba, or Iran, if you persistently and vocally criticize the govt, they DO care, and WILL find you and WILL punish you
you don't have freedom of expression in those countries, ESPECIALLY on political issues
that is a real, substantive fact. and it means nothing to you, exactly as you make full use of your rights
absurd, hilarious, ironic
if you were intellectually honest with yourself, you would admit the teensy tiny difference on your rights
again, as i already said, your litany of problems with the USA are real. and still having nothing to do with the topic at hand: freedom of expression
you do notice the topic here is sneakernet in cuba. do you need a sneakernet here in the usa? oh right: 14 proxies
what a spastic twit: you don't NEED THAT shitwit. NO ONE FUCKING CARES about your whiny crap. it's not even interesting, it's a quite common litany of complaints
but somehow basic reality doesn't fit in with your persecution fantasy, so it has to be ignored
you can't, or you won't, admit the blindingly obvious substantive difference in rights, exactly as you make full use of them
which makes your entire temper tantrum tell us nothing except you are an ignorant child
please note you just freely criticized the us govt, from within the usa, and no one stopped you, no one watch listed you, no one knocked on your door, no one cares
understand the difference?
you should. and you should value it. because it actually is a significant, material difference between the usa and repressive countries
in your whiny clueless post you have exercised a luxury many people in this world wish they had. and you don't even fucking notice. what does that say about your level of awareness and knowledge about the world?
the usa certainly has problems. the usa is certainly not perfect. but on this measure: freedom of expression, especially on religious and political matters, the usa is heads and shoulders above the likes of cuba
i am certain there are whiny clueless characters like you in china, iran, cuba, etc too
the difference between them and you is they are petrified with fear to say a damn thing about their governments
Slashdot Mirror
okay, thanks for your speech before the intergalactic congress in the year 4013 AD
in the meantime, could we focus on the here and now of the reality we live in for the next few centuries?
you can't base your opinions on MNLOP when we live in the reality of ABCDE
thanks
the point is you need controls, whether you have one currency or 1000
without controls, entitites speculate/ horde/ flood for profit and it destabilizes the currency(ies)
the problem is you imagine that without a government manipulating the currency, that no one will manipulate the currency
but in reality, remove government manipulation, and you still get manipulation. the only difference being, the government is accountable to the people, or at least accountable to the concept of stability. while manipulation by nongovernmental actors is self-serving, be damned the health of the currency and the society. in fact, in their schemes, their profit is often a direct consequence of instability, such that they actively seek instability
this is all basic stuff. why do people comment on and have opinions on subject matter they do not completely understand?
thank you for identifying yourself as a crackpot
that your mind worries about an implausible scenario (and then, still, solves the implausible problem badly) is why i call you this
choosing your personal currency policy because anarchy might happen is like packing for disney world with the consideration a zombie outbreak will occur
"going to enchanted kingdom, yeah! let's see... signal flares, tourniquet, rpg, broad spectrum antibiotics..."
if the major currencies of the world experience an extreme disruption, we are all fucked. no matter how much gold you did or did not hide under your mattress. a better hedge bet than gold in that scenario would be to invest in gang membership and heavy weaponry. then just go and take any fucking gold you want. because that's what happens when societies collapse on the order of anarchy: the rise of warlords
and bitcoin in anarchy? are you out of your fucking mind? dude, in real anarchy THE INTERNET ISN'T WORKING ANYMORE
please stop reading bad science fiction fantasy and pay more attention to reality
thanks
again, absurd. because bad governance means bad society. currency choice is some tangential pointless issue that solves none of your real problems in such a scenario
>>>so in practice the choice is between "bad government with bad currency" and "bad government with good currency"
if you believe that, and you live in a western democracy, you are a spastic hysterical twit who has no fucking clue how bad things can really get
so if i use bitcoin as a hedge against inflation, you would call me historically wise and longsighted?!
furthermore, if the major currencies of the world experience an extreme disruption, we are all fucked. no matter how much gold you did or did not hide under your mattress
a better hedge bet than gold in that scenario would be to invest in gang membership and heavy weaponry. then just go and take any fucking gold you want. because that's what happens when societies collapse on the order of extreme currency disruption: the rise of warlords
of course, mad max is not going to happen
(season my last statement with the current load of paranoia you carry around)
but let's go ahead and talk about mad max anyways: if society and its currencies destabilize on the order certain paranoid wackjobs constantly imagine it will, i am becoming a simple farmer. everyone needs potatoes. you can come give me krugerrands or point a gun at me (watch your back) for my potatoes, no problem. but i'm not going to horde gold up front, and therefore put a target on my head, and i'm not going to get a high power gun, and therefore die in some senseless firefight. i'm going to lay low, with a hoe, and a rake, and some seeds, and let mad max do what mad max will do in the next valley over
and that's a survival strategy friend. sorry it doesn't fit in with crackpot fantasy lives. too boring i guess
i welcome the judgment of history
correct
but i have to make sure that you aren't thinking of the concept in simplistic black and white terms
there is
1. complete control of currency (wrong, agreed)
2. currency controls. some bad, some good. but this concept does not represent complete control of the currency
what doesn't exist is no currency controls at all. simply because such a society does not function
"No, just you..."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
please mod the parent comment up, it's just too perfect
did you imagine yourself as clint eastwood or arnold schwarzenegger when you wrote that? did you have a toothpick in your mouth and a gun in your hand and did the music swell in the background?
protip:
if i describe you as engaging in nothing but simpleminded cartoon buffoonery, it helps not to prove my point by embracing the behavior further. you actually need to engage the world with more than stereotypical action movie tropes and idioms
i'm not sure if you have the social toolset and/ or the psychological flexibility to appreciate the thought, but here goes anyway:
i want you to try to imagine a world where those who have a different opinion than you are not one dimensional bad guys in a bad movie you saw once. that what motivates their words might not automatically be the pit of all evil in a manichean black and white universe
you can't actually get anywhere in life by labeling all opposition to your opinion as fascist. in fact, the truth is, true fascism flows from thinking in the world in black and white ways that only you currently demonstrate in this conversation
if you find your way to understanding what i just wrote, you will find your social experience infinitely enriched
good luck kid
i hope my intellectual charity is not wasted
you have a great future in hollywood writing scripts for simpleminded shallow movies with bad dialog
sadly, here, your comments only serve to painfully demonstrate the social/ mental handicap that keeps you imprisoned on your paranoid fringe: an inability to view the world and its actors as anything more than cartoonish extremes
arguing with slashdot trolls surely is a fate worse than death
money is nothing but an abstract representation of the value of a society. without society, there is no money. any society that is going to have good currency is one that also has good governance
therefore, the very idea of thinking about currency, divorced from good governance, is an absurdity
to pursue currency without government is simply a symptom of bad social skills, horrible indoctrination/ terrible education, and or/ mental illness, something in the realm of paranoia
i'm not entirely sure when faced with the same mental vomit over and over again why it is my responsibility to find a new creative path to sanity for the crackpot. it is the crackpot's responsibility to make fucking sense
i know the answer won't be found in the realm of financial kookery, that's for sure
you do understand processing any opposition to your worldview only according to a simpleminded cartoon only demonstrates own failures, right?
when you can only process opposition to your worldview in simpleminded cartoon stereotypes, you might have a problem
there are malcontents in every era of man
where they have a legitimate gripe that resonates across the masses, you get revolutions. where they have loony complaints that leaves people rolling their eyes, you get cranks
bitcoin is the crank's currency. cranks don't do legitimacy
so bitcoin will lose its lustre with those who launched it onto slashdot's front page for the past few years
look out for the rise of the new utopian idealization project:
"bytecoin", or "bitdollar"
or heck, just go with "crankmoney"
the worst lightning strike will not cause the extinction of mankind, but there are asteroids out there that could do this
if you ignore lightning, people die every year from it in a statistically dependable way. so you can ignore lightning and personal tragedies may come and go, but there are no society level tragedies. ever
meanwhile, if you ignore asteroids, you could go 100,000 more years and never have a problem more serious than the tunguska event
or... the entire species could cease to exist in a few years
no one knows
the regular rate of devastating asteroid strikes is far far far lower than a lightning strike
but the potential scale of destruction of an asteroid strike is far far far higher than a lightning strike
people do this all the time: construct horrible, failed analogies to explain phenomenon in their world, then use the horrible analogies as a rhetorical or cognitive stand in for the phenonmenon, thereby misrepresenting twisting and otherwise lying about the meaning of the phenomenon
there has to be a term for this sort of horrible analogy failure in the realm of logic and rhetoric. it seems like a regularly recurring motif
for political causes, this sort of analogy failure is probably done on purpose by the malicious, and then taken as truth by the foolish
so go make your own society, where such controls don't exist
and after you get ripped off, by... get this... criminals... learn your lesson the hard way
criminality exists in this world. i'm sorry this bothers you, and i'm sorry in your naive rage you blame those who pursue criminality rather than criminality itself
of course, many types of actions should not be classified as crime, and many tactics used to fight criminality should be changed, discarded, or improved
but this doesn't change the fact that criminality is real, if unopposed it grows, and the vast majority of society has no problem with tactics like this to fight criminal organizations
welcome to reality
deal with it
or throw your useless tantrums shouting "fascist!" like an ignorant spoiled teenager whose dad didn't let him have the car keys
if the opposition fighters, all of them, were radical hardcore fundamentalists (which isn't true, even of the religious fighters), this would still be better than Assad the butcher
in this world, you don't get to pick between absolute evil and shining pure good
in the real world, on any political choice, in every country, forever, you get to pick between
1. shit, and
2. slightly better than shit
but unfortunately this doesn't stop certain fools from judging all political forces from the point of view of idealism
thus rendering their opinions useless
the best way to punish ugly abuses (swatting), is not to champion ugly abuses (prison rape)
if someone violated my family in such a way, i would have violent fantasies about them getting their comeuppance too
but we're talking about governmental policy here, not private revenge fantasies
when the state itself is in the business of violent revenge, then the state itself is the worst offender
it also teaches society how to function, how to handle yourself: with brutality. the state sets the tone for how society should solve its disputes
you actually end brutality by structuring society's punishments so they are neither retributive nor punitive, but more like grey cold empty chill out sessions
there's no punishment worse than a boring, mundane, pointless existence. but inflicting pain, psychologically, focuses the mind, it gives it something to organize the meaning of life around. it turns criminals into martyrs, at least in their own mind, and it makes them and others who sympathize with them (and when you inflict pain, you always find sympathizers) organize their lives around finding meaning in being your enemy and inflicting YOU pain. you basically starting up a cycle of violence
TL, DR: your approach backfires
seriously. it's not even an interesting collection of complaints, it's a quite common and mediocre litany
i suppose the fuckwit actually believes the US govt will persecute them for complaining about lack of universal healthcare?
i've insisted we should have universal healthcare quite emotionally in a number of posts, and i'm not behind 14 proxies
so the US govt is going to drone strike me now? this is what this fuckwit seems to believe
what the hell is wrong people, how can they be so fucking deluded about basic reality?
they don't seem to be stupid, so it must be a sort of psychological problem, this insistence on being persecuted as an aspect of their reality, when obviously there is no such persecution
it's nice you said all of that
and no one in the US govt cares
you can criticize the govt all you want
no one in the US govt cares
you'd have to threaten the presidents life before they actually began caring
in China, Cuba, or Iran, if you persistently and vocally criticize the govt, they DO care, and WILL find you and WILL punish you
you don't have freedom of expression in those countries, ESPECIALLY on political issues
that is a real, substantive fact. and it means nothing to you, exactly as you make full use of your rights
absurd, hilarious, ironic
if you were intellectually honest with yourself, you would admit the teensy tiny difference on your rights
again, as i already said, your litany of problems with the USA are real. and still having nothing to do with the topic at hand: freedom of expression
you do notice the topic here is sneakernet in cuba. do you need a sneakernet here in the usa? oh right: 14 proxies
what a spastic twit: you don't NEED THAT shitwit. NO ONE FUCKING CARES about your whiny crap. it's not even interesting, it's a quite common litany of complaints
but somehow basic reality doesn't fit in with your persecution fantasy, so it has to be ignored
you can't, or you won't, admit the blindingly obvious substantive difference in rights, exactly as you make full use of them
which makes your entire temper tantrum tell us nothing except you are an ignorant child
please note you just freely criticized the us govt, from within the usa, and no one stopped you, no one watch listed you, no one knocked on your door, no one cares
understand the difference?
you should. and you should value it. because it actually is a significant, material difference between the usa and repressive countries
in your whiny clueless post you have exercised a luxury many people in this world wish they had. and you don't even fucking notice. what does that say about your level of awareness and knowledge about the world?
the usa certainly has problems. the usa is certainly not perfect. but on this measure: freedom of expression, especially on religious and political matters, the usa is heads and shoulders above the likes of cuba
i am certain there are whiny clueless characters like you in china, iran, cuba, etc too
the difference between them and you is they are petrified with fear to say a damn thing about their governments
don't be ignorant and count your blessings
not really familiar with word choice in diplomacy and international relations, are you?
i think it is safe to say that Google Glass won't be allowed in any casino past the front doors