Instead of engaging in smear campaigns and pointless knee-jerk reactionary bullshit you guys could have been pushing for rational discussion of the issues on the media.
If every democrat or indepdendent went to CNN, Fox, etc and said "I'm not your puppet, I won't play the cliche mud smear game" you'd see them getting really bored really fast. All of a sudden the country wouldn't be "bipartisan" anymore as the media would actually have to do some RESEARCH to find news [e.g. real issues].
I dunno why anyone cares. MSFT is so childishly inept.
If I can forward an X session from a Solaris box through SSH to my $INSERT_OTHER_OS and use the application just fine why would I want to be tied to applications which only work on Windows?
Besides, everyone knows Macs are for the artisty-foo-foo crowd.
And besides [again], you know there will be some exploit in the proprietary MSFT only image format they decide to use that will let someone root your box just by looking at a folder with a questionable image in it.
Please enter your credit card number, security number, expiry, date of birth, mothers maiden name, social security, ATM pin and your home address for our databases!....
You'll get to the point where the conservatives won't be pointing out "stop worrying you hippie liberal douche" because you won't have the right to discuss politics in public.
I'll go out on a limb and say this law won't pass.
But I'll point out another fact my friends from back home used to say. You have the government you deserve. You recalled Gray Davis just to hire a movie star as your governor, why not recall Bush to hold a new election? It worked in Canada:-)
Fact of that matter is this time around if you're american *you did* vote for Bush. Even knowing what sort of assclown he is. Sure John Kerry wasn't much of a choice either but what about all the independents? Despite what CNN says you're not in a bipartisan country. It is *legal* to have a third, fourth and even fifth option on the ballet.
If enough people stole seats from the "holy bestowed party of two" they wouldn't get away with these sorts of laws and lobbying activity. But no, you guys take the easy road, do zero investigation and don't question anything.
Oh and another thing I have to say to Americans. You really should learn at least one Chinese dialect in the next 5 or so years. With the raising of your deficit it just means less and less of America actually belongs to Americans [well the USA at least]. Canada on the other hand is in relatively good hands.
Canada is certainly not perfect and Harper has yet to make the news for something really positive but at least I know all 14 spies we have aren't pointed at me.
Believe it or not they thought of that. See section 319 [iirc] clause 3. Specifically it's not hatred speech if you reasonably believe it to be true and in the publics best interest.
So yes, you can say "them yankees are invadin' git em!" if it's true and in our best interest.
You can't [by way of contrast comparison] say "them jews are invadin' git em!" since there is no reasonable grounds to believe such claims are true [and no, insane rantings don't count as reasonable grounds].
I'd never buy stuff off ebay. I'd rather pay more and support a store I like [e.g. which is reputable] then mail order a card off the net from someone I don't know. Even if you get the card it may not be in the best shape [e.g. perma-heated, static shocked, etc].
That and when you make nearly six figures spending an extra 60$ or whatever on a video card isn't a big deal [specially in light of my first point].
Care to cite any of this in the news? I don't recall hate speech trials being so rampant.
Maybe CBC, CTV and the rest are just snowed?
I mean we still have things like the nothern alliance. And they're clearly just a bunch of ignorant little shits. Yet oddly enough they're still around...
Most old PCI cards will. I bought an "elcheapo" [Radeon 7000] ATI card and am using it in my AMDX2 box since I can't find any cheap PCI-E cards with native output [and it doesn't do AGP].
No, retarded laymen interpretation of what they THINK it is is defective.
Read the fucking CCC and get back to us with an informed opinion for a change.
Hate speech is very clear on the fact it has to incite violence. You can be as anti-gay as you want. Even in public. The moment you say "let's hurt us some faggots" or whatever, then and only then would that be hate speech.
Um... the 5200 series was actually a fairly decent card. I was playing UT2k4 on it at 800x600 with >30fps frame rates. For a card that cost me literally 92$ CDN that ain't bad.
Last I checked a Voodoo card from 1997 wouldn't get 30fps at 800x600x32bpp while playing UT2k4.
Nice troll though. It's kinda funny actually, most of the trolling on slashdot and on usenet come from anonymous sources. It's almost like you ARE a coward and think that disrupting a conversation is ok to do, so long as you can post anonymously and not face the consequences.
How does it feel to be a small little child thingy?
Antec is your friend. I have had bad luck with noname brand PSUs before usually in the form of them blowing up my motherboard [like literally traces would burn up].
Antec PSUs used to cost more than others but not any more. They have strict tolerances to the specified voltages and they last a long time. An Antec Sonata II case for instance costs around 125$ and gets you a mid-tower case with a 80mm case fan and a [iirc] 400W or so power supply.
I use Sonata cases for all my boxes and they have high uptimes even through the brownouts that frequent Mississauga [I have them on UPSes].
Ah but that's the trick, what takes me 2 minutes on an AMD64 takes you 17 on a VIA box. And I know as I run a 1.2Ghz C3.
VIAs are good for only a few things
1. Text processing [e.g. email, web, usenet] 2. Low power NAT/dhcp/dns server for a house [which is what I use mine for]
I have Gentoo Linux installed on mine and my AMDX2 while taking 9 times the power [or TDP] can usually finish emerges in a very small fraction of the time the C3 takes.
This is like the Crusoe vs. Rest debate. Their CPUs would run with little power but then it simply took longer to accomplish work. So while you may get an extra hour of run time you lose it to waiting for things to finish. Specially as a LaTeX using software developer:-)
I'd say the # of people running 1900x1200 displays is the minority. Specially since most monitors are 1280x1024 or less.
You can get by with decent gaming on a 6600 which will cost you 140$. You don't need to buy a 7800 for 500$ to play Farcry or something. Filtering like what I suggested will land you a card in the 6xxx series that doesn't cost more than 200$ and will let you play games at decent refresh rates and resolutions.
So yes, there are a lot of cards out there but it's usually fairly easy to pick out an appropriate card if you know what the issues are.
Yes, and the actual "game pleasure improvements" you get from an FPS because you have a 500$ card versus a 150$ card is probably fairly low.
Key things to look for
1. Get nvidia. The driver support is there. 2. Stick one revision back [e.g. 6xxx instead of 7xxx] 3. Don't get "shared memory" LE or LS or whatever edition cards 4. Don't get 256MB cards unless there is no price difference [or a very small one] 5. Look for native TV out if that's your bag. Sadly nvidia cards often need win32 drivers to get tvout working which makes it useless for media boxes 6. Look for editions which are passively cooled. Some of the later FX5200 series cards had nothing but a giant heatsink on it. No noise!
For my media box I simply got a 20$ PCI [yes, not even AGP] ATI card in VESA mode. Sure it uses a lot of cpu time to blit in all software, but it's on a dual-core 4800+ so I don't really care [fwiw playing dvds takes ~35% of total cpu power to play].
That's the dumbest post ever. 1U means a rackmount unit of height. Boxes are in multiples of said unit [look it up on wikipedia]. 1U is the smallest you can get [roughly 2 inches high or so]. 2U or 3U is more typical for 4P boxes, so a well ventilated functional 1U 4P box would be impressive.
Exactly. Though IIRC Intel had a functional ALU at 5Ghz in the labs once. That's a bit more meaningful than a single transistor at 100Ghz. Of course the P4 is a bit of a hack since it has delay stages in the pipeline so it's not really a >3Ghz device.
I have no idea what AMD has (even though I work for them) but I know they're more interested in branching out then up. (hint: quad-core).
AMD has 2.8Ghz dualies out (or at least will)... damn I gotta get some "work samples" for my gentoo box...
IIRC Intel has made 10Ghz transistors already but the trick is to make enough of them (at once) to make a processor.
So it is possible that Intel makes a 4.5Ghz P4 and AMD makes a 3.2Ghz AMD64 but the yield would be so low that you'd be paying nearly 5 digits per processor to recoup costs.
Would you honestly pay [say] $17,000 for a 4.5Ghz processor? Specially when you could get an entire 2P SMP system for that much? (and often less).
Yeah we all know about the whole distance cubed thingy.
And any fighter pilot who brings a cell phone with them is a moron. Which is reason enough to suspect you're just trolling. I mean where would you put the thing anyways? In your pocket? And you'd pick up in flight?... Last I checked going 700 mph over the Earth in combat didn't afford many chances to chat up with the girlfriend.
Point is, cell phones are on during flights and they don't crash. Do you know how many commercial flights there are each day on this planet? And how many of them crash?...
Cell phones CAN hurt flight avionics. They just don't in practice because the right combination of bad luck doesn't exist.
Basically you'd have to sit on the antenna with a GSM phone (CDMA wouldn't hurt it in the slightest) blasting away for minutes.
When in reality you're not that close. A speaker can pick up the GSM interference from a foot or so away. Double the distance and it's gone. Now imagine you're 15 times that distance from the trouble spot... And GSM interference lasts for 2 seconds not minutes.
So if your 747 falls out of the sky because of 2 seconds of interference... you have issues.
I use Vonnage as my home phone and it's 95% of the time just fine. I do get the occasional "unrecoverable 1.5 second lag" bullshit. But I'd say the vast majority of calls are crystal clear.
Coupled with the fact it forwards to my cell phones and I can call anywhere in North America for unlimited time... it's pretty decent.
Skype is ok too. I don't have anything against it. And I don't represent Vonnage.
I just like the service is all.... stupid cold... arrg.... day go faster!!!!
You're free to believe whomever you want. But you keep saying "I believe some prestigious university over some 'dude' on the net"
That smacks of someone who hasn't been in the real world.
Let me break a little kiddie bubble you may have. University profs are falliable. Their students? Make mistakes. They stand in line for cake just like the rest of us. They're not fucking Gods.
Just because a study came from CMU (or MIT or UCSD or EPLF or...) doesn't mean it's either correct or relevant. It's entirely possible that
1. The paper was written to "not perish" 2. Is the result of unfinished work (e.g. premature conclusions) 3. Is being bought off 4. Was mis-quoted in the press 5. etc...
So while it's good to be skeptical of some "dude on slashdot" it's also not good to just blindly say "it's from CMU it's true".
Slashdot Mirror
That's democracy for you.
Instead of engaging in smear campaigns and pointless knee-jerk reactionary bullshit you guys could have been pushing for rational discussion of the issues on the media.
If every democrat or indepdendent went to CNN, Fox, etc and said "I'm not your puppet, I won't play the cliche mud smear game" you'd see them getting really bored really fast. All of a sudden the country wouldn't be "bipartisan" anymore as the media would actually have to do some RESEARCH to find news [e.g. real issues].
Tom
I dunno why anyone cares. MSFT is so childishly inept.
If I can forward an X session from a Solaris box through SSH to my $INSERT_OTHER_OS and use the application just fine why would I want to be tied to applications which only work on Windows?
Besides, everyone knows Macs are for the artisty-foo-foo crowd.
And besides [again], you know there will be some exploit in the proprietary MSFT only image format they decide to use that will let someone root your box just by looking at a folder with a questionable image in it.
Tom
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Please enter your credit card number, security number, expiry, date of birth, mothers maiden name, social security, ATM pin and your home address for our databases!
Suprisingly those still catch people.
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You're kiddin right? You don't think the government couldn't get goons to go and "accidentally" blow up OSDL?
They've [feddies] already tried to subvert public protests in the 50s through 70s remember?
Recent governments have already enabled things like the Patriot Act and the DMCA which are blatantly illegal. Make your time.
Tom
You'll get to the point where the conservatives won't be pointing out "stop worrying you hippie liberal douche" because you won't have the right to discuss politics in public.
:-)
I'll go out on a limb and say this law won't pass.
But I'll point out another fact my friends from back home used to say. You have the government you deserve. You recalled Gray Davis just to hire a movie star as your governor, why not recall Bush to hold a new election? It worked in Canada
Fact of that matter is this time around if you're american *you did* vote for Bush. Even knowing what sort of assclown he is. Sure John Kerry wasn't much of a choice either but what about all the independents? Despite what CNN says you're not in a bipartisan country. It is *legal* to have a third, fourth and even fifth option on the ballet.
If enough people stole seats from the "holy bestowed party of two" they wouldn't get away with these sorts of laws and lobbying activity. But no, you guys take the easy road, do zero investigation and don't question anything.
Oh and another thing I have to say to Americans. You really should learn at least one Chinese dialect in the next 5 or so years. With the raising of your deficit it just means less and less of America actually belongs to Americans [well the USA at least]. Canada on the other hand is in relatively good hands.
Canada is certainly not perfect and Harper has yet to make the news for something really positive but at least I know all 14 spies we have aren't pointed at me.
Tom
Believe it or not they thought of that. See section 319 [iirc] clause 3. Specifically it's not hatred speech if you reasonably believe it to be true and in the publics best interest.
So yes, you can say "them yankees are invadin' git em!" if it's true and in our best interest.
You can't [by way of contrast comparison] say "them jews are invadin' git em!" since there is no reasonable grounds to believe such claims are true [and no, insane rantings don't count as reasonable grounds].
Tom
I'd never buy stuff off ebay. I'd rather pay more and support a store I like [e.g. which is reputable] then mail order a card off the net from someone I don't know. Even if you get the card it may not be in the best shape [e.g. perma-heated, static shocked, etc].
That and when you make nearly six figures spending an extra 60$ or whatever on a video card isn't a big deal [specially in light of my first point].
Tom
Care to cite any of this in the news? I don't recall hate speech trials being so rampant.
Maybe CBC, CTV and the rest are just snowed?
I mean we still have things like the nothern alliance. And they're clearly just a bunch of ignorant little shits. Yet oddly enough they're still around...
Tom
read clause three of section 319 you stupid fuck. There are defenses for what could be construed as "hatred speech".
In effect the only way to really get prosecuted in Canada is to either use public money or incite violence.
Tom
Most old PCI cards will. I bought an "elcheapo" [Radeon 7000] ATI card and am using it in my AMDX2 box since I can't find any cheap PCI-E cards with native output [and it doesn't do AGP].
Tom
"hate speech" is a legally defective concept.
No, retarded laymen interpretation of what they THINK it is is defective.
Read the fucking CCC and get back to us with an informed opinion for a change.
Hate speech is very clear on the fact it has to incite violence. You can be as anti-gay as you want. Even in public. The moment you say "let's hurt us some faggots" or whatever, then and only then would that be hate speech.
Tom
I suggest you all read this. (hint: bookmarking the CCC makes having legal discussions a bit more sensible :-) )
Hate speech in Canada is only when it incites people to commit violence against the said group being hated.
It's legal in canada to say "I hate all $GROUP" as long as you don't say "kill $GROUP".
Tom
Um... the 5200 series was actually a fairly decent card. I was playing UT2k4 on it at 800x600 with >30fps frame rates. For a card that cost me literally 92$ CDN that ain't bad.
Last I checked a Voodoo card from 1997 wouldn't get 30fps at 800x600x32bpp while playing UT2k4.
Nice troll though. It's kinda funny actually, most of the trolling on slashdot and on usenet come from anonymous sources. It's almost like you ARE a coward and think that disrupting a conversation is ok to do, so long as you can post anonymously and not face the consequences.
How does it feel to be a small little child thingy?
Tom
Antec is your friend. I have had bad luck with noname brand PSUs before usually in the form of them blowing up my motherboard [like literally traces would burn up].
Antec PSUs used to cost more than others but not any more. They have strict tolerances to the specified voltages and they last a long time. An Antec Sonata II case for instance costs around 125$ and gets you a mid-tower case with a 80mm case fan and a [iirc] 400W or so power supply.
I use Sonata cases for all my boxes and they have high uptimes even through the brownouts that frequent Mississauga [I have them on UPSes].
Tom
Ah but that's the trick, what takes me 2 minutes on an AMD64 takes you 17 on a VIA box. And I know as I run a 1.2Ghz C3.
:-)
VIAs are good for only a few things
1. Text processing [e.g. email, web, usenet]
2. Low power NAT/dhcp/dns server for a house [which is what I use mine for]
I have Gentoo Linux installed on mine and my AMDX2 while taking 9 times the power [or TDP] can usually finish emerges in a very small fraction of the time the C3 takes.
This is like the Crusoe vs. Rest debate. Their CPUs would run with little power but then it simply took longer to accomplish work. So while you may get an extra hour of run time you lose it to waiting for things to finish. Specially as a LaTeX using software developer
Tom
I'd say the # of people running 1900x1200 displays is the minority. Specially since most monitors are 1280x1024 or less.
You can get by with decent gaming on a 6600 which will cost you 140$. You don't need to buy a 7800 for 500$ to play Farcry or something. Filtering like what I suggested will land you a card in the 6xxx series that doesn't cost more than 200$ and will let you play games at decent refresh rates and resolutions.
So yes, there are a lot of cards out there but it's usually fairly easy to pick out an appropriate card if you know what the issues are.
Tom
Yes, and the actual "game pleasure improvements" you get from an FPS because you have a 500$ card versus a 150$ card is probably fairly low.
Key things to look for
1. Get nvidia. The driver support is there.
2. Stick one revision back [e.g. 6xxx instead of 7xxx]
3. Don't get "shared memory" LE or LS or whatever edition cards
4. Don't get 256MB cards unless there is no price difference [or a very small one]
5. Look for native TV out if that's your bag. Sadly nvidia cards often need win32 drivers to get tvout working which makes it useless for media boxes
6. Look for editions which are passively cooled. Some of the later FX5200 series cards had nothing but a giant heatsink on it. No noise!
For my media box I simply got a 20$ PCI [yes, not even AGP] ATI card in VESA mode. Sure it uses a lot of cpu time to blit in all software, but it's on a dual-core 4800+ so I don't really care [fwiw playing dvds takes ~35% of total cpu power to play].
Tom
That's the dumbest post ever. 1U means a rackmount unit of height. Boxes are in multiples of said unit [look it up on wikipedia]. 1U is the smallest you can get [roughly 2 inches high or so]. 2U or 3U is more typical for 4P boxes, so a well ventilated functional 1U 4P box would be impressive.
Tom
More than parnoia is self-importance. You think peeps at Google *want* to read your bullshit email?
To you you're just a number they can bolster and say "78 trillion ad impressions this year alone!"
While we benefit from the free e-mail.
Besides google doesn't stop you from using PGP or GPG.
Tom
Exactly. Though IIRC Intel had a functional ALU at 5Ghz in the labs once. That's a bit more meaningful than a single transistor at 100Ghz. Of course the P4 is a bit of a hack since it has delay stages in the pipeline so it's not really a >3Ghz device.
... damn I gotta get some "work samples" for my gentoo box...
I have no idea what AMD has (even though I work for them) but I know they're more interested in branching out then up. (hint: quad-core).
AMD has 2.8Ghz dualies out (or at least will)
Tom
IIRC Intel has made 10Ghz transistors already but the trick is to make enough of them (at once) to make a processor.
So it is possible that Intel makes a 4.5Ghz P4 and AMD makes a 3.2Ghz AMD64 but the yield would be so low that you'd be paying nearly 5 digits per processor to recoup costs.
Would you honestly pay [say] $17,000 for a 4.5Ghz processor? Specially when you could get an entire 2P SMP system for that much? (and often less).
Tom
Yeah we all know about the whole distance cubed thingy.
... Last I checked going 700 mph over the Earth in combat didn't afford many chances to chat up with the girlfriend.
...
... you have issues.
And any fighter pilot who brings a cell phone with them is a moron. Which is reason enough to suspect you're just trolling. I mean where would you put the thing anyways? In your pocket? And you'd pick up in flight?
Point is, cell phones are on during flights and they don't crash. Do you know how many commercial flights there are each day on this planet? And how many of them crash?
Cell phones CAN hurt flight avionics. They just don't in practice because the right combination of bad luck doesn't exist.
Basically you'd have to sit on the antenna with a GSM phone (CDMA wouldn't hurt it in the slightest) blasting away for minutes.
When in reality you're not that close. A speaker can pick up the GSM interference from a foot or so away. Double the distance and it's gone. Now imagine you're 15 times that distance from the trouble spot... And GSM interference lasts for 2 seconds not minutes.
So if your 747 falls out of the sky because of 2 seconds of interference
Tom
oh poppycock what rubbish. Clearly the AFA knows best right?
... they clearly know what's best for the rest of the world.
I mean from a bunch of people living in shell for fear of offending "god"
And for the record "Seventh Heaven" sucks bad!
Tom
I think your ISP just sucks.
... it's pretty decent.
... stupid cold ... arrg.... day go faster!!!!
I use Vonnage as my home phone and it's 95% of the time just fine. I do get the occasional "unrecoverable 1.5 second lag" bullshit. But I'd say the vast majority of calls are crystal clear.
Coupled with the fact it forwards to my cell phones and I can call anywhere in North America for unlimited time
Skype is ok too. I don't have anything against it. And I don't represent Vonnage.
I just like the service is all.
Tom
You're free to believe whomever you want. But you keep saying "I believe some prestigious university over some 'dude' on the net"
...) doesn't mean it's either correct or relevant. It's entirely possible that
That smacks of someone who hasn't been in the real world.
Let me break a little kiddie bubble you may have. University profs are falliable. Their students? Make mistakes. They stand in line for cake just like the rest of us. They're not fucking Gods.
Just because a study came from CMU (or MIT or UCSD or EPLF or
1. The paper was written to "not perish"
2. Is the result of unfinished work (e.g. premature conclusions)
3. Is being bought off
4. Was mis-quoted in the press
5. etc...
So while it's good to be skeptical of some "dude on slashdot" it's also not good to just blindly say "it's from CMU it's true".
Tom