You're distributing a copy of the font inside the document. So if you [for instance] have whitepapers on your website you're distributing the font. That means you have to give the source to whatever you made with it away as well. Of course since you intend to give the document out anyways this has no bearing.
A different angle would be TeX documents... this means I would have to give out the source for the font and the TeX along with PDFs I give out. Again not the end of the world I guess.
Like you said I too can't see how this actually impacts on how people use tools. Perhaps this is more MSFT inspired FUD?
Maybe we should get the authors of the fonts to weigh in. I suspect they don't give a rats ass provided copyright has been attributed properly.
Perhaps. My point is what benefit did Apple get from an apple branded libtool other than breaking compability?
Since I didn't own the MacOS [only needed it for one build] I wasn't going to install new tools on it. Instead I wrote a macos specific makefile to use their version of libtool.
really? Because on both my AMD64 and Prescott P4 linux boxes the vmallocused is less than 128M...
At anyrate all I know is I really do have >896M of memory to use. I really do use the memory and I really think you're trolling about the stupidest issue.
What you're saying is JUST NOT TRUE for 2.6 on an x86_64.
My bios reports roughly 1022MB available to Linux, of which Linux makes ~1000MB available for modules/processes/etc.
If you're talking about the memory used for pagetables... Um keep in mind that modern processors can map 4MB pages not just 4KB as in the 386 case. So you use 1024 times less memory by mapping larger pages.
So yes, if you have "many small" applications you're going to waste space for page table data, process information, book keeping, etc...
But you can alternatively load fewer larger apps...
For instance, I could load an application that takes 800MB of ram and not have it swap. In fact I rarely see swap space used even when I used to build KDE and the like... [hint: huge C++ source code...]
Where did this come from? I just killed X, shut down apache/sshd/nfs and saw 55MB used [still have modules loaded like the 5MB nvidia driver...].
After I restarted them all and went back into X I see ~900MB free but that's *after* loading apache2, nfs, devfsd, sshd, a bunch of modules, firefox, X, icewm, tvtime and an xterm
If you say 1GB you will get upto 1GB for kernel+user processes. Maybe you only see ~900MB because you have too many background processes loaded. I know stock Fedora Core installs will have a bunch of useless stuff loaded [my box at work routinely uses >100MB of swap with only Gnome+mozilla running...]
Seems like a cool product but mentioning "makes no noise" like 10 times isn't that impressive;-)
Also I wouldn't use that for installing an OS... much easier to screw that up than a normal drive. So at best you could use it as a "mirror" with commits to a real disk...
Almost like you could RAID-1 it with a real disk... Just gotta patch the RAID driver to "favour" one disk over the other on read operations...
The kernel has three memory models. = 1GB, = 4GB and = 64GB.
I've run Linux on a 1.5GB box before just fine [they were PC-133 sticks on sale bought three 512MB sticks...]. You just have to enable the different memory model.
Maybe you don't see many home-user 64G boxes because there is little demand for it.
As for "expensive addons/etc". You can buy cheaper motherboards and just add on IDE if that suits your fancy. Promise [iirc] controllers give decent performance and aren't that expensive [~$60 CAD]
Maybe you're not proactive enough? My quad-band was stolen in France [hence my comment about them being a target]. I had my parents cancel the phone back in Canada.
As for "bend over this won't hurt"... ALL CELL PROVIDERS rip you off. What? You think Bell is any better?
My brother wanted to get a new phone to replace his v120c... they told him his plan that HE IS CURRENTLY ON is "no longer available" with a new phone... So he would HAVE TO sign up for a new three year plan that costs ten dollars more a month....
Basically if you're a well established cell provider [Bell/Rogers] you have a license to print money. I pay 40$/month [with taxes] and I'm sure it costs Rogers all of 10$/month [or less] to actually provide the service...
I suggest you look up the reported revenues of these various companies...
I'd say most hardware/software courses worth their beans cover RISC designs as well. Of course "what school does" and "what is academic" are not always the same. A good school will expose the students to other platforms/tools.
It doesn't take a genius to get an ARM SDK and code some stuff for it [hint: GBA is a cheap development platform].
The point though is just because apathy has struck business and as a result education as well doesn't mean you have to follow suit.
Learning how to develop for ARM or MIPS, or how to use other tools such as GCC [instead of MSVC], LaTeX [instead of Word], firefox instead of IE, bash instead of "cmd", perl instead of ASP, etc, etc, etc is not that hard and will pay off.
Most of the things I do as "work for hire" now are things that weren't taught in school but things I taught myself.
Go figure... I'm one of a 100 or so grads of the exact same program and I managed to get a job realitively easily [they approached me first].
Which is sad. Why contribute to stupidy. Lots of people smoke pot. Should you to to join in/fit in?
At my current job I have to write proposals/reports and I always use LaTeX. Net result is they all have the same look, appearance, order, etc...
Just to prove point...
I originally learned to use LaTeX with MikTex for windows. I've since moved to all Linux workstations [for the last two years or so]... I use TeTex and whoa... I didn't have to re-learn anything...
Standard such as Word/excel/powerpoint...? What standard are they? They're not even remotely consistent between releases...
Learn Word and be set till the next release.
Learn TeX [or LaTeX] and be set for life. You'll know a powerful [and consistent] tool that makes documents professionally. You won't be so "owned" by Microsoft either as TeX is freely available and can be created [the documents] with ANY text editor...;-)
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You're distributing a copy of the font inside the document. So if you [for instance] have whitepapers on your website you're distributing the font. That means you have to give the source to whatever you made with it away as well. Of course since you intend to give the document out anyways this has no bearing.
A different angle would be TeX documents... this means I would have to give out the source for the font and the TeX along with PDFs I give out. Again not the end of the world I guess.
Like you said I too can't see how this actually impacts on how people use tools. Perhaps this is more MSFT inspired FUD?
Maybe we should get the authors of the fonts to weigh in. I suspect they don't give a rats ass provided copyright has been attributed properly.
Tom
Perhaps. My point is what benefit did Apple get from an apple branded libtool other than breaking compability?
Since I didn't own the MacOS [only needed it for one build] I wasn't going to install new tools on it. Instead I wrote a macos specific makefile to use their version of libtool.
Tom
Ah well then that could make the diff I guess...hehehe..
My P4 only has 512M of ram [1M eaten by an onboard video card thingy] so it's not applicable here...
Tom
tom@tombox ~ $ cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 1024648 kB
MemFree: 55804 kB
Buffers: 47580 kB
Cached: 788596 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 184800 kB
Inactive: 724960 kB
HighTotal: 0 kB
HighFree: 0 kB
LowTotal: 1024648 kB
LowFree: 55804 kB
SwapTotal: 1000432 kB
SwapFree: 1000432 kB
Dirty: 96 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
Mapped: 114424 kB
Slab: 36988 kB
CommitLimit: 1512756 kB
Committed_AS: 145732 kB
PageTables: 3400 kB
VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB
VmallocUsed: 20940 kB
VmallocChunk: 34359717255 kB
HugePages_Total: 0
HugePages_Free: 0
Hugepagesize: 2048 kB
really? Because on both my AMD64 and Prescott P4 linux boxes the vmallocused is less than 128M ...
At anyrate all I know is I really do have >896M of memory to use. I really do use the memory and I really think you're trolling about the stupidest issue.
Tom
Want a shell on my box?
... Um keep in mind that modern processors can map 4MB pages not just 4KB as in the 386 case. So you use 1024 times less memory by mapping larger pages.
kernel + apache + sshd + nfs + modules + X + icewm + firefox + xterm + tvtime != 0MB of ram.
tom@tombox ~ $ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 1000 921 78 0 42 766
-/+ buffers/cache: 112 888
Swap: 976 0 976
What you're saying is JUST NOT TRUE for 2.6 on an x86_64.
My bios reports roughly 1022MB available to Linux, of which Linux makes ~1000MB available for modules/processes/etc.
If you're talking about the memory used for pagetables
So yes, if you have "many small" applications you're going to waste space for page table data, process information, book keeping, etc...
But you can alternatively load fewer larger apps...
For instance, I could load an application that takes 800MB of ram and not have it swap. In fact I rarely see swap space used even when I used to build KDE and the like... [hint: huge C++ source code...]
Tom
Where did this come from? I just killed X, shut down apache/sshd/nfs and saw 55MB used [still have modules loaded like the 5MB nvidia driver...].
After I restarted them all and went back into X I see ~900MB free but that's *after* loading apache2, nfs, devfsd, sshd, a bunch of modules, firefox, X, icewm, tvtime and an xterm
If you say 1GB you will get upto 1GB for kernel+user processes. Maybe you only see ~900MB because you have too many background processes loaded. I know stock Fedora Core installs will have a bunch of useless stuff loaded [my box at work routinely uses >100MB of swap with only Gnome+mozilla running...]
Tom
Ah isn't he cute, he thinks he's people!
Tom
Seems like a cool product but mentioning "makes no noise" like 10 times isn't that impressive ;-)
... Just gotta patch the RAID driver to "favour" one disk over the other on read operations...
Also I wouldn't use that for installing an OS... much easier to screw that up than a normal drive. So at best you could use it as a "mirror" with commits to a real disk...
Almost like you could RAID-1 it with a real disk
Tom
If you run the MacOS distro and not just gentoo/etc/other the libtool program has been fucked up.
It doesn't have the same interface as what you normally see on a Linux/BSD distro. The man page has Apple branding all over it, etc...
I don't actually have a Mac but when I've had to shell into one to do a build it's always been a pain in the ass.
Not that apple's Libtool is hard to use. Just that it's purposefully different as to make it not standard.
Tom
Unless you have to use libtool ...
... a tool written to have a portable input interface to make compiling/linking a standard process between different OSes ...
Libtool
What does apple do? Adds their own spin to it.
Yeah.... that's totally meant to not be anti-competitive...
Tom
Ah you've returned. Now be loyal troll-pet.
*pets troll on head*.
Tom
Troll.
Where did you get these facts?
The kernel has three memory models. = 1GB, = 4GB and = 64GB.
I've run Linux on a 1.5GB box before just fine [they were PC-133 sticks on sale bought three 512MB sticks...]. You just have to enable the different memory model.
Tom
Maybe you don't see many home-user 64G boxes because there is little demand for it.
As for "expensive addons/etc". You can buy cheaper motherboards and just add on IDE if that suits your fancy. Promise [iirc] controllers give decent performance and aren't that expensive [~$60 CAD]
Tom
Not only the distance but latency. Switching 1500 byte packets locally between two computers is trivial.
...
Try that with 300,000 subscribers
Tom
They do what? My GeForce 3 that I bought two years ago is still working just fine in another computer.
Maybe if you took care of your computer things wouldn't break?
Tom
I speak as someone who has had both CDMA and GSM and has traveled to Europe....GSM is just better period.
CDMA may be better technology but it was never deployed properly [hmm just like Beta] which makes it effectively USELESS.
Tom
Maybe you're not proactive enough? My quad-band was stolen in France [hence my comment about them being a target]. I had my parents cancel the phone back in Canada.
... ALL CELL PROVIDERS rip you off. What? You think Bell is any better?
... they told him his plan that HE IS CURRENTLY ON is "no longer available" with a new phone... So he would HAVE TO sign up for a new three year plan that costs ten dollars more a month....
...
As for "bend over this won't hurt"
My brother wanted to get a new phone to replace his v120c
Basically if you're a well established cell provider [Bell/Rogers] you have a license to print money. I pay 40$/month [with taxes] and I'm sure it costs Rogers all of 10$/month [or less] to actually provide the service...
I suggest you look up the reported revenues of these various companies
Tom
Um an AMD64 2.2Ghz is for the most part faster than a Prescott P4 3.2Ghz [the cpu Intel currently makes a lot of].
...
In fact doing builds of LibTomCrypt I had to enable HT and only then would I get build times similar to my AMD64
So it takes an extra Ghz and HT to get close (well without HT it takes roughly +7 seconds or so) to and AMD64....
Tom
They could stop using CDMA... My GSM dualband phone works well anywhere in Ottawa ...
... ANYWHERE [but beware because they're a good theft target...]
That and if my phone breaks I can transfer my SIM without paying the "ESN transfer rapage"...
CDMA is worthless technology only used in north american and Japan. GSM is used all over the planet.
Basically if you get a quad-band GSM phone you're set
Tom
What you mean they're in phase two of the ghandi phases? So soon?
Tom
I'd say most hardware/software courses worth their beans cover RISC designs as well. Of course "what school does" and "what is academic" are not always the same. A good school will expose the students to other platforms/tools.
It doesn't take a genius to get an ARM SDK and code some stuff for it [hint: GBA is a cheap development platform].
The point though is just because apathy has struck business and as a result education as well doesn't mean you have to follow suit.
Learning how to develop for ARM or MIPS, or how to use other tools such as GCC [instead of MSVC], LaTeX [instead of Word], firefox instead of IE, bash instead of "cmd", perl instead of ASP, etc, etc, etc is not that hard and will pay off.
Most of the things I do as "work for hire" now are things that weren't taught in school but things I taught myself.
Go figure... I'm one of a 100 or so grads of the exact same program and I managed to get a job realitively easily [they approached me first].
A little initiative will go a long way.
Tom
Which is sad. Why contribute to stupidy. Lots of people smoke pot. Should you to to join in/fit in?
At my current job I have to write proposals/reports and I always use LaTeX. Net result is they all have the same look, appearance, order, etc...
Just to prove point...
I originally learned to use LaTeX with MikTex for windows. I've since moved to all Linux workstations [for the last two years or so]... I use TeTex and whoa... I didn't have to re-learn anything...
Say that for the word => ooo switch...
Tom
Standard such as Word/excel/powerpoint ...? What standard are they? They're not even remotely consistent between releases...
;-)
Learn Word and be set till the next release.
Learn TeX [or LaTeX] and be set for life. You'll know a powerful [and consistent] tool that makes documents professionally. You won't be so "owned" by Microsoft either as TeX is freely available and can be created [the documents] with ANY text editor...
Which is why you shouldn't buy ATI. They do have the best hardware [though "best" means +1 FPS at 1600x1200 or etc...] but their drivers suck.
So vote with your dollar, buy an equally capable but much more supported video card...
A 5200FX is around $100 [CAD] and quite capable of playing UT2K4, Doom3, etc...
Tom