Read the C&D letter. They are VERY SPECIFIC as to what their gripe is... "...MPAA members studios' copyrighted works..." They never said to shut down all of the torrents or even the site. People who pledge money are just retarded.
I checked their site. MPAA movie torrents are hosted there.
Been through this already. They don't have the right to be the middle man for this type of activity. They're the digitial equivalent of a middleman. They point people in the correct direction for illegal material.
Hey, Loki if you don't like the law, change it. Feeling the need to promote copying of crappy hollywood movies is not that inspiring to the "cause".
I hope not only that Loki loses the court battle but that the supporters realize that the "pledged money" would probably be better spent buying movies or taking your spouse, girl/boy friend, friends, kids out for ice cream or something.
Instead of pledging your money to strangers who are just helping the bottom feeders of the arts why not do something constructive with it.
My only serious power boost was from a 60Mhz 486 [with no FPU] to a 133Mhz MI [or MII can't recall now, think it was a MI]. I could now play mp3s while doing other shit at the same time. It was insane! After that it was just cream.
That's why I wrote it. Old school macs were cool. I did a load of pascal/C coding in high school on them [well and on my 486SX with TurboC but that macs were funner]
Honestly. That they would conclude "OSS sure smells sweeter than pushing this ungodly overstuffed OS on people"???
Get Gates and Torvolds at the same table. Then I would be listening. Short of that it's just one-sided banter [same goes if it was say Linus and another developer at a table]
1. 507MB for office is still more than the 150MB OpenOffice takes. So who is bloatware?
2. Install size of studio is an issue. As a developer I don't want to dedicate huge space just because "it's microsoft".
3. This thread is about people not investigating the reality that they have options. So they wouldn't [and largely don't] run OO
4. Most replacement shells [I've tried a few] suck and/or lacked sufficient features to make it worth while. iirc I tried litestep and was amazed at it's total lack of desktop icons or folder navigation...
5. Again, most people aren't smart enough to not use IE. Also when you install windows you don't get a choice. IE is installed. When I install gentoo I don't have to install mozilla if I don't want to.
7. You totally [as expected] missed the point about Gentoo [or OSS...]. You don't like Gentoo? Ok try a BSD, try FC, try Knoppix,.... You don't like Gnome? try KDE, try icewm, try..., you don't like mozilla? try konq, you don't like X try directfb or the other few, you don't like XMMS? try the dozen of other mp3/ogg players
That's the point. Choice. I picked this assortment of tools because I wanted them. Not because they came pre-bundled with my OS.
In Windows you're presented with an assortment of tools [that for the most part aren't that impressive].
The problem though...
Since windows comes with a media player many, and I really mean many, users don't put it in their head there might be alternatives. So they limit themselves [with the help of MSFT] to whatever MSFT wants to give them. Hence they are serfs to big corporations.
I guess I'm lucky being this "old 22 yr old" and I remember when MSFT OSes didn't include everything under the sun. I remember using cubic player to play music, I remember using netscape 3 to browse the web, I remember using a lot of tools that didn't come bundled with the OS. I found those tools because I had to look for them and pick them out.
It frustrates me to no end to see people just "settle" for what MSFT has to offer. Then they bitch when the latest worm/virus/etc takes them out because they use an **OPERATING SYSTEM** that was developed ALONG SIDE a media player, web browser and chat client. I mean really, do you see Linus putting MSN in the kernel? No. Kernel is kernel. It does it's thing and does it well. That's because he's not trying to sell it.
See msft wants to sell you the kernel [win32 core] for $400. So [like cell phones] they bundle it with scores of useless apps/tools that the first thing any of my semi-competent friends [who use windows for gaming] does is replace with OSS alternatives.
I'm sure msft would have a hard time doing that if they only sold "windows" as the core drivers, kernel, shell and explorer [no mplayer, no defrag, no backup, no msn, no msie]....
That's odd, because a typical gentoo install is not only SMALLER but usually packs more tools.
In roughly 1.2GB or so you can pack the userland tools [shell, tr, sed, grep, find, locate, bzip, gzip, tar,...], development tools [binutils, gcc, perl, python], X, a desktop [such as Gnome or icewm], mozilla, xmms, mplayer, gaim. Add another 150MB and you get OpenOffice. So a really competent Gentoo install takes around 1-1.5GB at most.
Let's see what 1GB install of windows gets you...
MSIE... don't want to use windows media player.. . don't want to use notepad... can't stand cmd... lousy shell wordpad...... do I need to say anything? msn 4.0... don't want to use
You don't get development tools, you don't get a comptent music player or media player. You also don't get a competent shell, webbrowser or other tools.
Oh, so you want to add some development tools? that's an additional 200MB [or so, without manual pages]. You want an office suite? Add another GB. So now you're upto ~2GB and you're out of pocket over a thousand dollars. Mmm... fun.
If all you want to do is play games maybe you're not missing anything... but if you develop software and like to control your computer and to be able todo things with it [e.g. don't like your desktop? Install a different one. Try replacing explorer.exe when that gets boring].
Don't like your browser? Uninstall mozilla and install konq or links or something.
Running a bloaty, slow, bugridden 32-bit OS on my 64-bit AMD64 is painful to me...
That said, even in windows StarOffice and OpenOffice have been around for a LONG WHILE. People have a choice to use and support other tools. They're just too lame to shop around [cuz while self-centered and selfish are generally not immune to market speak].
Simple reports and articles are trivial to write in LaTeX btw. I'd say on a 20 page report [with figures and whatnot] easily >95% of the lines of text are actual body text and not TeX macros. Most people joke that it's all markup but unless you're doing a lot of equations/references you can get by with quite little markup.
"TeX might be great for putting together high precision layout documents. It's really lousy compared to Word for writing quick business proposals. Does that make Word lousy? Answer: no, of course it doesn't."
Um, p2 and above are "i686" class. I don't know where you folks are getting your information but it's not from reality.
The in-order superscalar cpus are i586 class, the in-order pipelined are i486, the partially pipelined are i386 and anything else is rubbish.
The i686 class are out of order superscalar cpus which includes p2, p3, p4 and pm. If you really want to get technical it also includes the k6, k7 and k8 [but they usually stay in there own classes]. The p4 and pm have the same ISA [except for the prescott which have SSE3]. The p3 added SSE.
On the AMD camp you have k5, k6 and k7 classes. The k8 class is very similar to the k7 [major difference being the memory controller, bus topology and x86_64 isa, the actual underlying core is the same concept as the k7].
k5's were in order, k6 were out of order, the k7 took it up a notch by having three fully functional ALUs [well except for the multiplier which was tied to ALU0]. That really put it in a different class from the k6.
You're mixing up shine with quality. MS Office has a lot of shine...
Yet if I want to produce professional looking text [such as manuals] I still use LaTeX. Why is that?
Certainly MS Office is easier [even for me] than LaTeX [not that TeX is super hard]. Certainly MS Office has more flash, cross-referencing help and even an assistant!
The reason is TeX does it's job and it does it well.
Office does many jobs and most of them not so well [it's ToC generator is annoying and can really throw me for a loop for instance]. For most documents/sheets/drawings OpenOffice is just as good if not better than office. For larger documents TeX is almost always a winner.
Similarly Media Player is really cool looking, got that interface even your mother would love. Yet media player not only has a user friendly gui [and wickedly powerful cli] it also plays more formats, better on more devices and configurations.
Well they're more interested in re-inventing the wheel instead of embracing OSS. I can see them hiding from GPL but MIT/APL/BSD/LGPL licenses are certainly easier to approach.
So instead of embracing and extending existing code they decide to write their own crap. Instead of open standards it's closed stuff, etc, etc, etc...
The problem with their development model is that it involves protecting money. Quality software and profits are not always mutually inclusive.
The p3 is not a "i786" class cpu. It's a revision of the p2 [a i686 class] cpu with the addition of SSE and more complete set of pipelines [I don't know the exact differences off the top of my head but they're not hard to find].
The p3 uses many of the same algorithms as the p2 [e.g. out of order execution, register renaming, multiple pipelines, etc]. Similarly the pm is an update of the p3.
That's not to say the p3 or pm are "minor feats". Just that they don't really use new execution ideas. The jist is the same
1. fetch 2. decode [into micro ops] 3. throw ops into appropriate pipelines 4. Re-order ops in the pipelines depending on what they're waiting for 5. Pick register names [e.g. allows "eax" to be used multiple times in parallel, see below] 6. execute the ops 7. retire
How they go about each step changes slightly but that's the jist of it. For instance, the pm can "fuse" some micro ops into a composite macroop [e.g. reduce the # of microops] that go into the execution core.
In case people are wondering what register renaming is... consider this
The result of this code is exactly the same except now you can do both in parallel. I don't know how [and to what extent] the cpu can actually do this but usually it's fairly effective [anyone who has timed asm code on the K7/K8 would know this...;-)]
The P4 claims to have 128 internal registers [iirc] and I don't recall how much the others have [probably in the same range]. So obviously it works enough to make 128 registers realistic to be used.
Wrong. the p2/3/4 and pm are "i686" class. The p2/3/m are improvements on each other with the same concept behind the core [e.g. set of ALU pipes, load/store pipes and float pipes, the # and functionality of the pipes is the huge diff].
Aside from the addition of SSE [in P3] and SSE2 [in p4 and pm] the p2/p3/pm series run the same instructions. Which is the other reason why they are "i686" class.
The pentium, ppro and pmmx are "586" class. Below that they're in their own classes e.g. 80486 => "486 class", etc...
I don't get your post. Why do people buy Windows? Linux+KDE is a very capable replacement.
They buy windows because they are too stupid to question things. Plain and simple. It's also why commercials can snow people so easily [re: election scams]. The fact that people are ignorant of choice is just a symptom of the problems.
Not to mention people like to get into their comfort zones. My parents call me a hippie for listening to wbai when I'm 22 [e.g. not a hippie] and they're actually the generation that were th hippies that started things like wbai!!!
They're just comfortable now getting snowed by local commercial talk radio/tv. Hearing dissenting opinion is just "counter productive" to them.
Education should be looked at as "preventative societal medicine". If you educate your citizens they will likely get jobs, making products that earn the country some money all while lowering the number of people on welfare.
But instead, education is a business where you screw young adults out of thousands of dollars to only attend a school where the "teachers" [or professors] are uneducated unexperienced idiots faking their way through day-by-day.
I've just recently graduated from community college and I can easily and safely say I had to sit through classes with at least a half-dozen teachers who were totally ignorant of their respective subject matter [I mean common, PhD in biology instantly means a kernel developer!].
That's not to say college was a waste of time/money. Just not worth quite as much as they put it out to be.
Equally though I think the dudes actions deserve punishment. Jail is inappropriate but deprivation of a computer and say community service would do the lad some good.
So why pay for commercial software? The point is they dedicate resources where FOSS is "laisser-faire".
By your post if FOSS == commercial in terms of quality and expectations... then why does MSFT exist still?
That was my point. Show me a story about how MSFT plans to fix their blatantly wrong development strategy. That would be worthy of a news headline. Some lame "interview" with the people responsible for a fairly unsuccessful SP2 isn't that interesting.
They want money more than distribute music which is why the music industry is pure shite.
However... that's their right. Who are you to take that away from them. You want to make a real stand? Support indy music. Find where local [or indy] bands play and pay the cover, buy their cds, etc...
Put your money in the right hands. Cuz all you do when you P2P some RIAA or MPAA trash is help spread their strangle-hold on real talent.
Ever read a product service plan? They don't cover you hitting your stereo with a telsa coil. But you bought the stereo and should be able todo whatever you want with it.
The fact is most countries have IP laws [as stupid as they are they're still laws] and the back of most if not all media has a clearly labeled intention. E.g. copyrighted and do not re-distribute blah blah blah.
If you don't like these conditions you can always do without. Quite frankly that's not much of a loss given that the average movie and CD out there is just a re-hash of something done last year.
Wake me when new talent is actually talent and not just the next batch of 16 yr old titties.
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People....
... "...MPAA members studios' copyrighted works..." They never said to shut down all of the torrents or even the site. People who pledge money are just retarded.
Read the C&D letter. They are VERY SPECIFIC as to what their gripe is
Tom
I checked their site. MPAA movie torrents are hosted there.
Been through this already. They don't have the right to be the middle man for this type of activity. They're the digitial equivalent of a middleman. They point people in the correct direction for illegal material.
Hey, Loki if you don't like the law, change it. Feeling the need to promote copying of crappy hollywood movies is not that inspiring to the "cause".
I hope not only that Loki loses the court battle but that the supporters realize that the "pledged money" would probably be better spent buying movies or taking your spouse, girl/boy friend, friends, kids out for ice cream or something.
Instead of pledging your money to strangers who are just helping the bottom feeders of the arts why not do something constructive with it.
Tom
My only serious power boost was from a 60Mhz 486 [with no FPU] to a 133Mhz MI [or MII can't recall now, think it was a MI]. I could now play mp3s while doing other shit at the same time. It was insane! After that it was just cream.
Tom
That's why I wrote it. Old school macs were cool. I did a load of pascal/C coding in high school on them [well and on my 486SX with TurboC but that macs were funner]
Tom
Um, clock for clock a Duron is a heck of a lot more capable than a 68020.
Maybe you just long for the days of the happy mac on the screen during boot up?
Tom
Slashdotted....
How about this weather? It's like nice and warm out [in Ottawa].
Tom
Is there really a need for viruses to get data?
... survey...
"Sure sir, two AA batteries, now if I could just get your phone number, home address and date of birth for a survey we're conducting!"
Clever wording for DATA MINING...
Tom
Good call, RMS would be a better candidate. I stand corrected.
Tom
Honestly. That they would conclude "OSS sure smells sweeter than pushing this ungodly overstuffed OS on people"???
Get Gates and Torvolds at the same table. Then I would be listening. Short of that it's just one-sided banter [same goes if it was say Linus and another developer at a table]
Tom
1. 507MB for office is still more than the 150MB OpenOffice takes. So who is bloatware?
...]. You don't like Gentoo? Ok try a BSD, try FC, try Knoppix, .... You don't like Gnome? try KDE, try icewm, try ..., you don't like mozilla? try konq, you don't like X try directfb or the other few, you don't like XMMS? try the dozen of other mp3/ogg players
...
2. Install size of studio is an issue. As a developer I don't want to dedicate huge space just because "it's microsoft".
3. This thread is about people not investigating the reality that they have options. So they wouldn't [and largely don't] run OO
4. Most replacement shells [I've tried a few] suck and/or lacked sufficient features to make it worth while. iirc I tried litestep and was amazed at it's total lack of desktop icons or folder navigation...
5. Again, most people aren't smart enough to not use IE. Also when you install windows you don't get a choice. IE is installed. When I install gentoo I don't have to install mozilla if I don't want to.
7. You totally [as expected] missed the point about Gentoo [or OSS
That's the point. Choice. I picked this assortment of tools because I wanted them. Not because they came pre-bundled with my OS.
In Windows you're presented with an assortment of tools [that for the most part aren't that impressive].
The problem though...
Since windows comes with a media player many, and I really mean many, users don't put it in their head there might be alternatives. So they limit themselves [with the help of MSFT] to whatever MSFT wants to give them. Hence they are serfs to big corporations.
I guess I'm lucky being this "old 22 yr old" and I remember when MSFT OSes didn't include everything under the sun. I remember using cubic player to play music, I remember using netscape 3 to browse the web, I remember using a lot of tools that didn't come bundled with the OS. I found those tools because I had to look for them and pick them out.
It frustrates me to no end to see people just "settle" for what MSFT has to offer. Then they bitch when the latest worm/virus/etc takes them out because they use an **OPERATING SYSTEM** that was developed ALONG SIDE a media player, web browser and chat client. I mean really, do you see Linus putting MSN in the kernel? No. Kernel is kernel. It does it's thing and does it well. That's because he's not trying to sell it.
See msft wants to sell you the kernel [win32 core] for $400. So [like cell phones] they bundle it with scores of useless apps/tools that the first thing any of my semi-competent friends [who use windows for gaming] does is replace with OSS alternatives.
I'm sure msft would have a hard time doing that if they only sold "windows" as the core drivers, kernel, shell and explorer [no mplayer, no defrag, no backup, no msn, no msie].
Tom
That's odd, because a typical gentoo install is not only SMALLER but usually packs more tools.
...], development tools [binutils, gcc, perl, python], X, a desktop [such as Gnome or icewm], mozilla, xmms, mplayer, gaim. Add another 150MB and you get OpenOffice. So a really competent Gentoo install takes around 1-1.5GB at most.
... don't want to use .. . don't want to use ... can't stand ... lousy shell ... ... do I need to say anything? ... don't want to use
In roughly 1.2GB or so you can pack the userland tools [shell, tr, sed, grep, find, locate, bzip, gzip, tar,
Let's see what 1GB install of windows gets you...
MSIE
windows media player
notepad
cmd
wordpad
msn 4.0
You don't get development tools, you don't get a comptent music player or media player. You also don't get a competent shell, webbrowser or other tools.
Oh, so you want to add some development tools? that's an additional 200MB [or so, without manual pages]. You want an office suite? Add another GB. So now you're upto ~2GB and you're out of pocket over a thousand dollars. Mmm... fun.
If all you want to do is play games maybe you're not missing anything... but if you develop software and like to control your computer and to be able todo things with it [e.g. don't like your desktop? Install a different one. Try replacing explorer.exe when that gets boring].
Don't like your browser? Uninstall mozilla and install konq or links or something.
etc, etc, etc..
Tom
Painful is subjective.
Running a bloaty, slow, bugridden 32-bit OS on my 64-bit AMD64 is painful to me...
That said, even in windows StarOffice and OpenOffice have been around for a LONG WHILE. People have a choice to use and support other tools. They're just too lame to shop around [cuz while self-centered and selfish are generally not immune to market speak].
Simple reports and articles are trivial to write in LaTeX btw. I'd say on a 20 page report [with figures and whatnot] easily >95% of the lines of text are actual body text and not TeX macros. Most people joke that it's all markup but unless you're doing a lot of equations/references you can get by with quite little markup.
Tom
"TeX might be great for putting together high precision layout documents. It's really lousy compared to Word for writing quick business proposals. Does that make Word lousy? Answer: no, of course it doesn't."
;-)
LaTeX macros exist for a reason.
Tom
Um, p2 and above are "i686" class. I don't know where you folks are getting your information but it's not from reality.
The in-order superscalar cpus are i586 class, the in-order pipelined are i486, the partially pipelined are i386 and anything else is rubbish.
The i686 class are out of order superscalar cpus which includes p2, p3, p4 and pm. If you really want to get technical it also includes the k6, k7 and k8 [but they usually stay in there own classes]. The p4 and pm have the same ISA [except for the prescott which have SSE3]. The p3 added SSE.
On the AMD camp you have k5, k6 and k7 classes. The k8 class is very similar to the k7 [major difference being the memory controller, bus topology and x86_64 isa, the actual underlying core is the same concept as the k7].
k5's were in order, k6 were out of order, the k7 took it up a notch by having three fully functional ALUs [well except for the multiplier which was tied to ALU0]. That really put it in a different class from the k6.
That's just what they want you to think. Get your astroid insurance here!
Tom
You're mixing up shine with quality. MS Office has a lot of shine...
;-) ...
Yet if I want to produce professional looking text [such as manuals] I still use LaTeX. Why is that?
Certainly MS Office is easier [even for me] than LaTeX [not that TeX is super hard]. Certainly MS Office has more flash, cross-referencing help and even an assistant!
The reason is TeX does it's job and it does it well.
Office does many jobs and most of them not so well [it's ToC generator is annoying and can really throw me for a loop for instance]. For most documents/sheets/drawings OpenOffice is just as good if not better than office. For larger documents TeX is almost always a winner.
Similarly Media Player is really cool looking, got that interface even your mother would love. Yet media player not only has a user friendly gui [and wickedly powerful cli] it also plays more formats, better on more devices and configurations.
Oh then let's talk about browsers.
Well they're more interested in re-inventing the wheel instead of embracing OSS. I can see them hiding from GPL but MIT/APL/BSD/LGPL licenses are certainly easier to approach.
So instead of embracing and extending existing code they decide to write their own crap. Instead of open standards it's closed stuff, etc, etc, etc...
The problem with their development model is that it involves protecting money. Quality software and profits are not always mutually inclusive.
Tom
Feeding the anon.troll....
;-)]
The p3 is not a "i786" class cpu. It's a revision of the p2 [a i686 class] cpu with the addition of SSE and more complete set of pipelines [I don't know the exact differences off the top of my head but they're not hard to find].
The p3 uses many of the same algorithms as the p2 [e.g. out of order execution, register renaming, multiple pipelines, etc]. Similarly the pm is an update of the p3.
That's not to say the p3 or pm are "minor feats". Just that they don't really use new execution ideas. The jist is the same
1. fetch
2. decode [into micro ops]
3. throw ops into appropriate pipelines
4. Re-order ops in the pipelines depending on what they're waiting for
5. Pick register names [e.g. allows "eax" to be used multiple times in parallel, see below]
6. execute the ops
7. retire
How they go about each step changes slightly but that's the jist of it. For instance, the pm can "fuse" some micro ops into a composite macroop [e.g. reduce the # of microops] that go into the execution core.
In case people are wondering what register renaming is... consider this
mov eax,1
shl eax,cl
mov [somevalue],eax
mov eax,2
shr eax,cl
mov [somevalue+4,eax
The cpu could legitimately execute this as
mov temp1,1 / mov eax,2
shl temp1,cl / shr eax,cl
mov [somevalue],temp1 / mov [somevalue+4], eax
The result of this code is exactly the same except now you can do both in parallel. I don't know how [and to what extent] the cpu can actually do this but usually it's fairly effective [anyone who has timed asm code on the K7/K8 would know this...
The P4 claims to have 128 internal registers [iirc] and I don't recall how much the others have [probably in the same range]. So obviously it works enough to make 128 registers realistic to be used.
Tom
Wrong. the p2/3/4 and pm are "i686" class. The p2/3/m are improvements on each other with the same concept behind the core [e.g. set of ALU pipes, load/store pipes and float pipes, the # and functionality of the pipes is the huge diff].
Aside from the addition of SSE [in P3] and SSE2 [in p4 and pm] the p2/p3/pm series run the same instructions. Which is the other reason why they are "i686" class.
The pentium, ppro and pmmx are "586" class. Below that they're in their own classes e.g. 80486 => "486 class", etc...
I don't get your post. Why do people buy Windows? Linux+KDE is a very capable replacement.
They buy windows because they are too stupid to question things. Plain and simple. It's also why commercials can snow people so easily [re: election scams]. The fact that people are ignorant of choice is just a symptom of the problems.
Not to mention people like to get into their comfort zones. My parents call me a hippie for listening to wbai when I'm 22 [e.g. not a hippie] and they're actually the generation that were th hippies that started things like wbai!!!
They're just comfortable now getting snowed by local commercial talk radio/tv. Hearing dissenting opinion is just "counter productive" to them.
Tom
Organize with your school then. At my crappy college we had a few indy bands playing during the summer.
How hard would it be to rent out a public area [e.g. near the university center] for an afternoon and get indy bands to play/hawk their wares?
Tom
Education should be looked at as "preventative societal medicine". If you educate your citizens they will likely get jobs, making products that earn the country some money all while lowering the number of people on welfare.
But instead, education is a business where you screw young adults out of thousands of dollars to only attend a school where the "teachers" [or professors] are uneducated unexperienced idiots faking their way through day-by-day.
I've just recently graduated from community college and I can easily and safely say I had to sit through classes with at least a half-dozen teachers who were totally ignorant of their respective subject matter [I mean common, PhD in biology instantly means a kernel developer!].
That's not to say college was a waste of time/money. Just not worth quite as much as they put it out to be.
Equally though I think the dudes actions deserve punishment. Jail is inappropriate but deprivation of a computer and say community service would do the lad some good.
So why pay for commercial software? The point is they dedicate resources where FOSS is "laisser-faire".
By your post if FOSS == commercial in terms of quality and expectations... then why does MSFT exist still?
That was my point. Show me a story about how MSFT plans to fix their blatantly wrong development strategy. That would be worthy of a news headline. Some lame "interview" with the people responsible for a fairly unsuccessful SP2 isn't that interesting.
Tom
I'm not going to argue they're nuts.
They want money more than distribute music which is why the music industry is pure shite.
However... that's their right. Who are you to take that away from them. You want to make a real stand? Support indy music. Find where local [or indy] bands play and pay the cover, buy their cds, etc...
Put your money in the right hands. Cuz all you do when you P2P some RIAA or MPAA trash is help spread their strangle-hold on real talent.
Tom
Um what world are you living in?
Ever read a product service plan? They don't cover you hitting your stereo with a telsa coil. But you bought the stereo and should be able todo whatever you want with it.
The fact is most countries have IP laws [as stupid as they are they're still laws] and the back of most if not all media has a clearly labeled intention. E.g. copyrighted and do not re-distribute blah blah blah.
If you don't like these conditions you can always do without. Quite frankly that's not much of a loss given that the average movie and CD out there is just a re-hash of something done last year.
Wake me when new talent is actually talent and not just the next batch of 16 yr old titties.
Tom