Given that I didn't live on campus I probably missed that class...
I agree that it would be cool and appropriate if students could go to work without having to then come home and work part-time jobs to pay for school.
That doesn't mean you abuse that freedom. The extra free time you have is meant not only for socializing [which I agree is important] but to explore your field.
I know all too many college and university grads who have finished school without work experience either from jobs or OSS they have developed.
I don't care how high your marks are. If you can't scrape together a couple nights here or there to write a tool or library or something then you're effectively uneducated.
This doesn't just apply to computer science though. In many fields you can find projects to work on [or get involved with at least] during your tenure.
The sad fact is people look at school as a business transaction. They deposit 4 years and a handful of cash and they get a ticket so they could might just maybe get a job.
You bought the media and accepted the copyright. They make it quite clear on the package [hint: learn to read]. So you violated their distribution license.
Again, stop being an asshat.
You can still be kind in this world. You just have to actually be kind. There is nothing "kind" with P2P distribution of stuff you don't have rights to.
If you physically share things [e.g. DVD or CD] that's kind because you are making a sacrifice so someone else can benefit [if not temporarily].
Of course I guess that's the world I live in. Where "kindness" is measured with thoughtless meaningless gestures...
I wouldn't hire a college dropout thief to plug in a keyboard let alone develop and implement software.
Also what says this kid had any tech knowledge about him? I can easily go on gnutella and get a GB or two of hot titty porn in oh say a couple hours.
I do agree that prison isn't a solution for non-violent crimes but I think that's the case for all non-violent crimes [drugs included].
But as per my other comment, the martyrdome has already become. Just look at the one of your post. You almost revere the kid already and all he did was copy movies!!! Imagine how you'd feel if he actually did something beneficial for mankind!!!
If by 17 you don't know that copying media and "sharing" it is wrong...
first off...
COLLEGE STUDENTS
So you're saying retarded immature ignorant people go to college? I thought college was for the bright students who were already mature enough to take on an adult learning setting [e.g. no mommy or daddy around].
second, this kid will probably think he's some sort of martyr. He'll likely get news time as "the kid the big evil corps took down" just like all asshat criminal hackers [caveat being not all hackers are criminal so don't get 2600 on me] like mitnick or what's not.
"Yeah mom, I was expelled. Why? Oh, uh, um, the FBI caught me using my net connection to distribute movies illegally. Yes, yes. With the computer you bought me. What? No. The tuition you paid is not refundable. Books? I'm off campus in under 24 hours, I don't have time to sell them. Another college? This is on my permanent record. BTW you wouldn't happen to have a couple thousand to settle this case would "
I mean they took too long to release a patchset that caused problems and look, 7 or so new bugs found in CORE components [prolly been there since win98 or earlier].
Maybe if they spent less time "re-inventing the wheel" er... "innovating" they would have more time to actually write what they NEED to write more securely.
There is no reason why commercial software would have buffer overflows [at all] and specially in something like LoadImage().
In FOSS at least you can blame lack of time, review, etc. But in commercial software you're paying for the eyes and the time.
Show me a story where they agree to hold back on re-packaging the latest video/sound codec as a Windows format [hint: wmv == mpeg4 == divx for all intents and purposes] and instead decide to fix a good 10k bugs or so.
Of course I'd settle with the non-integration of MS IE, explorer.exe and MSN and the addition of a POSIX.1 emulation layer [that comes bundled];-)
Free is really a misnomer. Those ipods cost Apple money [or whoever is paying for the info]. In turn that costs more for products.
You think the 1.20$ you spend on a 600mL pepsi goes all towards the bottle, drink and delivery? How about 10 million dollar contracts for titney spears to dance her tities on the TV? What about the high paid execs of pepsi and all their "essential" business expenses? etc, etc, etc...
With OSS the "free" software comes at the expense of the author. They're literally paying for you to have a copy. They pay for their ISP or hosting [or they have someone pay for it] and they certainly have to expense the time they spent working on it instead of doing life chores.
If anything an appropriate word would be "accessible". That is Linux is easy to get at.
Perhaps the only really free thing in the world is the air you breath, the sun that warms you and anything that falls into crown assets.
Heck even giving out OSS isn't free. I have to pay for my cable modem to upload/host files. Then there is the time I spent working on OSS instead of working for the man...
OSS [at least free OSS] is as much as it's about charity as it is community. OSS is certainly not free to produce and give out. It's just often mutually beneficial [e.g. work experience for the writer and something useful for the user].
Let's not forget that the next time you buy something from Apple or whoever they sell the info too you are paying for that "free ipod". They add PR/marketing/e.g. "NOT ENGINEERING" expenses to the cost of the product.
I think everyone should listen to Pacifica for oh I dunno, a fundraiser or two;-)
Just chiming in to say 2.6.10 works fine on my amd64 box [using tulip network, alsa/cmpci sound, nvidia video, reiserfs disk, have most I2C/I2O turned on, using NFS for network shares, etc...].;-)
Part of the big reason for the GPL isn't so little timmy can hack his kernel [though he can] it's so that big corp USA (tm) can't take the code and lock you into it [e.g. vendor specific changes].
Which is EXACTLY what happened to UNIX. You had solaris, Xenix, Irix, etc... all of which were similar but different at the same time. They were also all closed source and really played with the underlying hardware.
Part of the catch to the GPL is the popularity. The more popular [say] Linux becomes the more free it becomes. That's because it will be more prevalent and you will be less likely to be locked into a particular vendors OS.
So while the GPL made little sense in the 80s and early 90s it makes perfectly good sense now.
Ok granted he's not a great actor. My point was he does positive things with his money.
I'm sure he lives in one of a dozen huge homes, drives a big car and has bling.
He also works for charities [in particular orphanages] where he spends considerable paper and is [from what the Bio show said] a well centered person.
Compare that against any number of actors/artists.
Does this mean that all people with money must shill it out to the "less fortunate". Hell no. But if you're gonna walk around with $93,000 clothing on, get drunk/drugged in public and then crash your porshe into a stationary object [...and repeat...] you deserve to get contempt.
Put it this way.
If I get ever get loaded writing software [e.g. stinking rich] you can quote this post as me saying "I'll share the wealth because hording is wrong". I'd rather live modestly while meeting people and helping [in constructive non-pity ways] than have snobby parties wearing designer jeans driving a car costing more than the average house.
The way I look at it you only have one life to live. That's it. Born, live, die. I'd rather have an impact [positive] on people then just be a consumer.
I don't think I earned my living status in Canada. That doesn't mean I should fold up shop and move to Africa just because there are people who live there.
I don't step on people, I am open minded, I spread my money, time and kindness amongst many people not just select few.
What good does it do anyone when some $RICH_ARTIST goes out and throws a $200,000 party or a $3,000,000 diamond necklace?
The problem is even if they spread their money/time/etc around they would still have to much. I mean how much can you really spend on indy art, local produce, functional clothing? Maybe 10-15K a year at most.
That's exactly my point. They don't earn what they need they earn what they want. Though realistically that's the point. You're supposed to earn what you need and a BIT more for what you want. Keeps people modest.
My other points were that if we could settle this country [largely] in a few hundred years why couldn't they settle Africa in the same time?
I think they were settled until capitalism started in. e.g. pelts and other animal related hunts, diamond minds, etc.. So granted we didn't help I also don't feel sorry. There are a billion people in China and India. There are millions in Africa.
You know why Canada has it so "nice"? Our population is a mere 32 million. That's about as much as the ***state*** of California. We have space to breath and room to grow solely because we as a people don't feel the need to breed like rabbits.
This is just like arguing I should give everything I own to the people living on the streets even though [like UN aid to third world countries] they get handouts from the Canadian government. Given that most homeless people are generally bad people to boot [e.g. dropped out of school, got fired from work for whatever reason and/or are drug addicts] I don't feel the need to suffer for them.
There is a fact you have to wrestle down though. You can be charitable and a "good person" without being a monk. No I don't mean show up to church and send 10$ a year to united way. You can volunteer, donate time and property, organize, etc...
Sorry. Halo2 was a lot of work, it was hard work, it's also not "the next computer age". Halo2 is much the same. You still can't change the story, manipulate the environment, etc...
Don't get me wrong, it's a fun game and I play it often. Just I don't think it's "amazingly new technology"
Pay cut for us [or people like me at least] means harder car payments, less snacks/rentals/fun and generally scrounging money.
Pay cut for them means not getting a diamond studded hummer for Christmas.
Actually of all the actors I think Segal is the most unlike the others. He is well centered, works hard in charities and doesn't flash his money as much as the others. Of course he gets ridiculed because he doesn't act like a prick... ho hum...
"He worked for his money and fame when he was 6 and you don't think he was just a lucky bastard? Yet the Olsen Twins get money and fame around the same age yet they fall under different rules?"
I don't think being able to play music well is "just lucky". Sure he may have been gifted with a good ear and nimble hands but he still had to learn how to read the music, how to play efficiently [e.g. fingering, etc].
I seriously doubt he sat down at a piano and boom could eye-play a sonata or something.
Being female, 18, thing and have a boob-job doesn't count as talent. Nor does it count as experience.
"So every one you bashed spent long hours working on looking good or dancing good or being able to speak good."
I don't know if you listen to teeny-bopper music [I do once in a while]. It's always the same bullshit. Baby baby baby come back, don't leave me wanting, oh baby I want you, baby I can feel it, baby baby baby.
I want to see a song about "being worried about college" or a song about "now I gotta work for a living" or a song about anything but "baby baby baby ooh baby I want you baby".
And they're not dancing. Ukranians doing that hop thing is dancing. Ballet is dancing [and painful]. Dressing like a whore and wiggling around a bed or poll isn't "dancing" it's playing to the mob.
Hell, break dancing is more of an art than the latest titney spears video.
"So its the 1 out of the 100 that are at fault? Exactly what did Linsey Lohan do to force people to give her money and fame? Did her boob jobs give her hypnotic powers?"
That doesn't help though. I blame the execs as much I blame the artists. I'm sure sony would sign a hot looking 17 yr old who could sing who asked for only $65,000/yr. The fact that the "artist" [and/or their parents] then realize the jackpot and DEMAND millions is largely to blame as well.
It also gets down to "who you want to see rich". Wozniak worked no harder than the average developer at say Bungie. Long days, often with no end in sight, etc, etc. At least Wozniak put long hard ours into... INVENTING THE MODERN COMPUTER AGE... So it's more acceptable to see him rich than the teeny-boppers. What has titney spears brought us that Madonna has not? Other than really annoying pepsi ads?
They're hosting the torrent. Google doesn't [they only cache HTML].
Ignorning that google doesn't host the file. When you click on a google hit you are going to that host. If you take the file down [even if google hasn't noticed] the downloader won't get the file.
Therefore, it's upto the person who is hosting the file to remove it.
And let's not kid ourselves. By hosting the torrents they're essentially making the piracy possible.
That's like handing a handgun to a 9yr old and then saying "I'm not responsible for what he does with it."
Ok, why should I sell my possessions only to buy stuff for other people? Shouldn't they then sell that back and buy me stuff in return?
Your argument is thoroughly flawed.
I think there is a huge difference between getting excessive pay for work and getting fair pay for work. I also don't "horde" money or things. I give/lend out stuff, money and time.
Each time I don't buy the RIAA or MPAA's latest hit I've saved money I can better distribute in other areas [paying authors for their books, farmers for their produce, etc...]
As for third world nations. You know what? Largely I can safely say fuck them. They choose to live in the areas, breed excessively, prioritize things wrong, etc.
I mean Canada and the USA are the new comers here, not them. Why were we able to "settle" in so quickly while they were not? Maybe because they have a completely different culture which we took advantage of for diamonds and cheap labour. Maybe they're just not putting their heads into it.
We built the rails, roads, buildings, laws, government and industries. We did this through hard work and often civil unrest. To think "we were given our country" is a bit weak if not wrong. While I didn't fight in WWI or WWII or even the civil wars doesn't mean our culture as a whole didn't earn them.
I'm earning my keep though by using my talents [e.g. computer science] to further academia and in turn mankind. If I just gave away all of my things then I wouldn't be too useful as I wouldn't have a computer to write software with, I wouldn't have books to learn from, etc...
I'm fat because I sit at a computer and program while drinking pop and eating chips. I could just as easily eat fruit and drink water. That's my fault.
McDonalds may be morally at fault for pandering the crap food but the commercials are not really in the realm here. If you're too stupid to see through a commercial then you're really not in a position to make decisions about your eating habits. You might as well have a doctor plan out your meal for you.
fuck, I can goto a grocery store and get a prepared salad [with dressing] for 4$. A meal at McDonalds cost 7$ [this is Canada...]
Don't tell me there is no choice. The choice is totally there. Just people are too stupid/lazy to pick it.
As for schools... A teacher can only do so much. I heard these bitches when I was in school "oh well they didn't teach me enough". Well I'm sorry, you skipped a dozen classes, didn't do your homework, didn't pay attention in class and generally didn't show extra curricular interest.
Sure there are bad teachers out there. Just like sure there are bad burgers out there. But to just rest the argument there is insanely immature.
People have to find it in themselves to realize why things are bad for themselves. Think your math skills are weak? Pick up a text book and do questions. Don't like your weight? Eat less fat and exercise more. etc...
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Given that I didn't live on campus I probably missed that class...
I agree that it would be cool and appropriate if students could go to work without having to then come home and work part-time jobs to pay for school.
That doesn't mean you abuse that freedom. The extra free time you have is meant not only for socializing [which I agree is important] but to explore your field.
I know all too many college and university grads who have finished school without work experience either from jobs or OSS they have developed.
I don't care how high your marks are. If you can't scrape together a couple nights here or there to write a tool or library or something then you're effectively uneducated.
This doesn't just apply to computer science though. In many fields you can find projects to work on [or get involved with at least] during your tenure.
The sad fact is people look at school as a business transaction. They deposit 4 years and a handful of cash and they get a ticket so they could might just maybe get a job.
Tom
You bought the media and accepted the copyright. They make it quite clear on the package [hint: learn to read]. So you violated their distribution license.
Again, stop being an asshat.
You can still be kind in this world. You just have to actually be kind. There is nothing "kind" with P2P distribution of stuff you don't have rights to.
If you physically share things [e.g. DVD or CD] that's kind because you are making a sacrifice so someone else can benefit [if not temporarily].
Of course I guess that's the world I live in. Where "kindness" is measured with thoughtless meaningless gestures...
Tom
I wouldn't hire a college dropout thief to plug in a keyboard let alone develop and implement software.
Also what says this kid had any tech knowledge about him? I can easily go on gnutella and get a GB or two of hot titty porn in oh say a couple hours.
I do agree that prison isn't a solution for non-violent crimes but I think that's the case for all non-violent crimes [drugs included].
But as per my other comment, the martyrdome has already become. Just look at the one of your post. You almost revere the kid already and all he did was copy movies!!! Imagine how you'd feel if he actually did something beneficial for mankind!!!
Tom
Share implies that it was yours in the first place.
You can share your DVDs or CDs all you want. That's not illegal and in fact a nice gesture. I'll presume this is what you are talking about.
You can't download media for which you haven't paid then re-distribute it. I'll presume this isn't what you are talking about.
Don't tell me my presumptions are wrong.
Tom
If by 17 you don't know that copying media and "sharing" it is wrong...
first off...
COLLEGE STUDENTS
So you're saying retarded immature ignorant people go to college? I thought college was for the bright students who were already mature enough to take on an adult learning setting [e.g. no mommy or daddy around].
second, this kid will probably think he's some sort of martyr. He'll likely get news time as "the kid the big evil corps took down" just like all asshat criminal hackers [caveat being not all hackers are criminal so don't get 2600 on me] like mitnick or what's not.
Tom
I can imagine that call home
"Yeah mom, I was expelled. Why? Oh, uh, um, the FBI caught me using my net connection to distribute movies illegally. Yes, yes. With the computer you bought me. What? No. The tuition you paid is not refundable. Books? I'm off campus in under 24 hours, I don't have time to sell them. Another college? This is on my permanent record. BTW you wouldn't happen to have a couple thousand to settle this case would "
Tom
Um you're still paying for it. Don't you get it? Advertising and promotions are part of the cost of crap we buy.
Tom
I mean they took too long to release a patchset that caused problems and look, 7 or so new bugs found in CORE components [prolly been there since win98 or earlier].
;-)
Maybe if they spent less time "re-inventing the wheel" er... "innovating" they would have more time to actually write what they NEED to write more securely.
There is no reason why commercial software would have buffer overflows [at all] and specially in something like LoadImage().
In FOSS at least you can blame lack of time, review, etc. But in commercial software you're paying for the eyes and the time.
Show me a story where they agree to hold back on re-packaging the latest video/sound codec as a Windows format [hint: wmv == mpeg4 == divx for all intents and purposes] and instead decide to fix a good 10k bugs or so.
Of course I'd settle with the non-integration of MS IE, explorer.exe and MSN and the addition of a POSIX.1 emulation layer [that comes bundled]
Tom
How anti-capitalistic you are.
;-)
If you want to buy something the incentive is then to get a job and save earned money.
Tom
Free is really a misnomer. Those ipods cost Apple money [or whoever is paying for the info]. In turn that costs more for products.
You think the 1.20$ you spend on a 600mL pepsi goes all towards the bottle, drink and delivery? How about 10 million dollar contracts for titney spears to dance her tities on the TV? What about the high paid execs of pepsi and all their "essential" business expenses? etc, etc, etc...
With OSS the "free" software comes at the expense of the author. They're literally paying for you to have a copy. They pay for their ISP or hosting [or they have someone pay for it] and they certainly have to expense the time they spent working on it instead of doing life chores.
If anything an appropriate word would be "accessible". That is Linux is easy to get at.
Perhaps the only really free thing in the world is the air you breath, the sun that warms you and anything that falls into crown assets.
Tom
Um you're so off base it hurts.
Heck even giving out OSS isn't free. I have to pay for my cable modem to upload/host files. Then there is the time I spent working on OSS instead of working for the man...
OSS [at least free OSS] is as much as it's about charity as it is community. OSS is certainly not free to produce and give out. It's just often mutually beneficial [e.g. work experience for the writer and something useful for the user].
Tom
Let's not forget that the next time you buy something from Apple or whoever they sell the info too you are paying for that "free ipod". They add PR/marketing/e.g. "NOT ENGINEERING" expenses to the cost of the product.
;-)
I think everyone should listen to Pacifica for oh I dunno, a fundraiser or two
Tom
Just means more anarchy to sit back and watch.
Well that and I don't have investments in banks.
Tom
Um, any odd options in your X config or /etc/ dir?
I've been using the nvidia drivers for the longest while and the only problem I've had was the 4K stack issue.
Also have you recompiled your nvidia drivers for the new kernel?
Tom
I guess I'm the only one not caring about the release of LongHorn. I run linux on my x86_64. Why would I run a 32-bit [crappy] OS on it instead?
Really MS should drop windows and write a POSIX compliant OS [or at least one that is closer]. That would be swell.
Tom
Just chiming in to say 2.6.10 works fine on my amd64 box [using tulip network, alsa/cmpci sound, nvidia video, reiserfs disk, have most I2C/I2O turned on, using NFS for network shares, etc...]. ;-)
Tom
Part of the big reason for the GPL isn't so little timmy can hack his kernel [though he can] it's so that big corp USA (tm) can't take the code and lock you into it [e.g. vendor specific changes].
Which is EXACTLY what happened to UNIX. You had solaris, Xenix, Irix, etc... all of which were similar but different at the same time. They were also all closed source and really played with the underlying hardware.
Part of the catch to the GPL is the popularity. The more popular [say] Linux becomes the more free it becomes. That's because it will be more prevalent and you will be less likely to be locked into a particular vendors OS.
So while the GPL made little sense in the 80s and early 90s it makes perfectly good sense now.
Tom
Ok granted he's not a great actor. My point was he does positive things with his money.
I'm sure he lives in one of a dozen huge homes, drives a big car and has bling.
He also works for charities [in particular orphanages] where he spends considerable paper and is [from what the Bio show said] a well centered person.
Compare that against any number of actors/artists.
Does this mean that all people with money must shill it out to the "less fortunate". Hell no. But if you're gonna walk around with $93,000 clothing on, get drunk/drugged in public and then crash your porshe into a stationary object [...and repeat...] you deserve to get contempt.
Put it this way.
If I get ever get loaded writing software [e.g. stinking rich] you can quote this post as me saying "I'll share the wealth because hording is wrong". I'd rather live modestly while meeting people and helping [in constructive non-pity ways] than have snobby parties wearing designer jeans driving a car costing more than the average house.
The way I look at it you only have one life to live. That's it. Born, live, die. I'd rather have an impact [positive] on people then just be a consumer.
Tom
I don't think I earned my living status in Canada. That doesn't mean I should fold up shop and move to Africa just because there are people who live there.
I don't step on people, I am open minded, I spread my money, time and kindness amongst many people not just select few.
What good does it do anyone when some $RICH_ARTIST goes out and throws a $200,000 party or a $3,000,000 diamond necklace?
The problem is even if they spread their money/time/etc around they would still have to much. I mean how much can you really spend on indy art, local produce, functional clothing? Maybe 10-15K a year at most.
That's exactly my point. They don't earn what they need they earn what they want. Though realistically that's the point. You're supposed to earn what you need and a BIT more for what you want. Keeps people modest.
My other points were that if we could settle this country [largely] in a few hundred years why couldn't they settle Africa in the same time?
I think they were settled until capitalism started in. e.g. pelts and other animal related hunts, diamond minds, etc.. So granted we didn't help I also don't feel sorry. There are a billion people in China and India. There are millions in Africa.
You know why Canada has it so "nice"? Our population is a mere 32 million. That's about as much as the ***state*** of California. We have space to breath and room to grow solely because we as a people don't feel the need to breed like rabbits.
This is just like arguing I should give everything I own to the people living on the streets even though [like UN aid to third world countries] they get handouts from the Canadian government. Given that most homeless people are generally bad people to boot [e.g. dropped out of school, got fired from work for whatever reason and/or are drug addicts] I don't feel the need to suffer for them.
There is a fact you have to wrestle down though. You can be charitable and a "good person" without being a monk. No I don't mean show up to church and send 10$ a year to united way. You can volunteer, donate time and property, organize, etc...
Tom
Sorry. Halo2 was a lot of work, it was hard work, it's also not "the next computer age". Halo2 is much the same. You still can't change the story, manipulate the environment, etc...
Don't get me wrong, it's a fun game and I play it often. Just I don't think it's "amazingly new technology"
Tom
Pay cut for us [or people like me at least] means harder car payments, less snacks/rentals/fun and generally scrounging money.
Pay cut for them means not getting a diamond studded hummer for Christmas.
Actually of all the actors I think Segal is the most unlike the others. He is well centered, works hard in charities and doesn't flash his money as much as the others. Of course he gets ridiculed because he doesn't act like a prick... ho hum...
Tom
"He worked for his money and fame when he was 6 and you don't think he was just a lucky bastard? Yet the Olsen Twins get money and fame around the same age yet they fall under different rules?"
... INVENTING THE MODERN COMPUTER AGE ... So it's more acceptable to see him rich than the teeny-boppers. What has titney spears brought us that Madonna has not? Other than really annoying pepsi ads?
I don't think being able to play music well is "just lucky". Sure he may have been gifted with a good ear and nimble hands but he still had to learn how to read the music, how to play efficiently [e.g. fingering, etc].
I seriously doubt he sat down at a piano and boom could eye-play a sonata or something.
Being female, 18, thing and have a boob-job doesn't count as talent. Nor does it count as experience.
"So every one you bashed spent long hours working on looking good or dancing good or being able to speak good."
I don't know if you listen to teeny-bopper music [I do once in a while]. It's always the same bullshit. Baby baby baby come back, don't leave me wanting, oh baby I want you, baby I can feel it, baby baby baby.
I want to see a song about "being worried about college" or a song about "now I gotta work for a living" or a song about anything but "baby baby baby ooh baby I want you baby".
And they're not dancing. Ukranians doing that hop thing is dancing. Ballet is dancing [and painful]. Dressing like a whore and wiggling around a bed or poll isn't "dancing" it's playing to the mob.
Hell, break dancing is more of an art than the latest titney spears video.
"So its the 1 out of the 100 that are at fault? Exactly what did Linsey Lohan do to force people to give her money and fame? Did her boob jobs give her hypnotic powers?"
That doesn't help though. I blame the execs as much I blame the artists. I'm sure sony would sign a hot looking 17 yr old who could sing who asked for only $65,000/yr. The fact that the "artist" [and/or their parents] then realize the jackpot and DEMAND millions is largely to blame as well.
It also gets down to "who you want to see rich". Wozniak worked no harder than the average developer at say Bungie. Long days, often with no end in sight, etc, etc. At least Wozniak put long hard ours into
Tom
They're hosting the torrent. Google doesn't [they only cache HTML].
Ignorning that google doesn't host the file. When you click on a google hit you are going to that host. If you take the file down [even if google hasn't noticed] the downloader won't get the file.
Therefore, it's upto the person who is hosting the file to remove it.
And let's not kid ourselves. By hosting the torrents they're essentially making the piracy possible.
That's like handing a handgun to a 9yr old and then saying "I'm not responsible for what he does with it."
Overt action == responsible.
Tom
Ok, why should I sell my possessions only to buy stuff for other people? Shouldn't they then sell that back and buy me stuff in return?
Your argument is thoroughly flawed.
I think there is a huge difference between getting excessive pay for work and getting fair pay for work. I also don't "horde" money or things. I give/lend out stuff, money and time.
Each time I don't buy the RIAA or MPAA's latest hit I've saved money I can better distribute in other areas [paying authors for their books, farmers for their produce, etc...]
As for third world nations. You know what? Largely I can safely say fuck them. They choose to live in the areas, breed excessively, prioritize things wrong, etc.
I mean Canada and the USA are the new comers here, not them. Why were we able to "settle" in so quickly while they were not? Maybe because they have a completely different culture which we took advantage of for diamonds and cheap labour. Maybe they're just not putting their heads into it.
We built the rails, roads, buildings, laws, government and industries. We did this through hard work and often civil unrest. To think "we were given our country" is a bit weak if not wrong. While I didn't fight in WWI or WWII or even the civil wars doesn't mean our culture as a whole didn't earn them.
I'm earning my keep though by using my talents [e.g. computer science] to further academia and in turn mankind. If I just gave away all of my things then I wouldn't be too useful as I wouldn't have a computer to write software with, I wouldn't have books to learn from, etc...
Tom
Let me give examples.
I'm fat because I sit at a computer and program while drinking pop and eating chips. I could just as easily eat fruit and drink water. That's my fault.
McDonalds may be morally at fault for pandering the crap food but the commercials are not really in the realm here. If you're too stupid to see through a commercial then you're really not in a position to make decisions about your eating habits. You might as well have a doctor plan out your meal for you.
fuck, I can goto a grocery store and get a prepared salad [with dressing] for 4$. A meal at McDonalds cost 7$ [this is Canada...]
Don't tell me there is no choice. The choice is totally there. Just people are too stupid/lazy to pick it.
As for schools... A teacher can only do so much. I heard these bitches when I was in school "oh well they didn't teach me enough". Well I'm sorry, you skipped a dozen classes, didn't do your homework, didn't pay attention in class and generally didn't show extra curricular interest.
Sure there are bad teachers out there. Just like sure there are bad burgers out there. But to just rest the argument there is insanely immature.
People have to find it in themselves to realize why things are bad for themselves. Think your math skills are weak? Pick up a text book and do questions. Don't like your weight? Eat less fat and exercise more. etc...
Initiative.
Tom