NBS [now nist] made a call for ciphers in 1973. It made a second call the following year. IBM's design was a quick favourite and was chosen in *1976*. Even at that time DES was critized for "mysterious sboxes" and a short key.
In fact when DES went for renewable people still fought it every inch of the way.
So actually from day 1 DES wasn't a favourite outside of the government...
it's ok to hack a format, subvert DRM and turn the world upside down to play DVDs in linux... but some company wants to wedge into legally acquired ipods and they're the evil of the world....
Get together with other tech manufacturer, agree on a 1000-pin model and stick with that? That way we can have more effective competition, less fractioning of technology [I mean, do I use a 729, 940 or 939 pin mobo for an "Athlon 64+ 3500?"]
[snort] cuz they need that extra hyper-texel nipplematic vector engine so they can [snort snort] get to the 9th level of EQ....
Most gamers are just idiots who buy whatever someone else tells them to. I bought a FX5200 graphics card. Most review sites say it sucks. I play Quake3 based games [in linux no less] at a good enough frame rate [>40FPS @1024x768x32bpp] and all for 100$ [cdn]. The card has no moving parts [re: noise], uses the nVidia driver system [re: sweet], supports OGL 1.4 and DX 9 [should I choose to run winders].
Oh sure I could do what Tom's Hardware tells me and buy a FX6800UltraMegaUber space warmer so I could get 112fps in the latest "rehash of last years best seller" for 699$ but that won't change the fact that the game was fun before.
I think "winders gamers" are the main reason why developers don't target multiple platforms more often. If more people just said "you know what, I'll buy a console while people get their act together and make Linux games" I'm sure you'd see things change.
Instead, people are just their regular sheep selves and will buy wares from "their enemy" [riaa, mpaa, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc...]. Dudes, there are CHOICES you just have to be "unpopular" and make them./rant
PHP guys don't want to go GPL I say good for them. Personally I think the GPL isn't much of a step forward. It breeds lazy developers looking to make a name for themselves via half-ass incomplete implementations [e.g. lacking documentation, which we all know sucks to do but if you don't what's the point?]
Go public domain if you want to give your code away. You'll get more users, free stuff [like books and trips] and get your name out more effectively [people use *your* distro not because they might as well [re: gpl] but because they trust your work]...
No he's talking about trespassing. As in just because I don't have locks on my doors doesn't mean you can waltz in, look around and then tell me so. My house, my server.
What these "good meaning" students should have done is
a) asked for permission b) filed their results with the school c) wait appropriate delay and publish to public
Not
a) break in to system [illegally] b) brag about it in press c) hope they don't get busted...
I'm linux fan/almost_guru. Have used it for quite some time. Never once read or seen "LinuxToday".
What do I care if they run Windows ads? If they need money to stay afloat and MSFT wants to flip the bill then all the more power to them.
I think though that some Linux types over estimate their pull. "Boycott this cuz I say so" fuck you jackass. I'll go donate 10$ just to spite you now motherfucker.
You might see some banding but really it's enough to create the illusion anyways.
The problem is it's a 40" fucking TV.
If they made say 20-36" [ranges] TVs then more people could afford it and in turn sponsor the research into better displays. But no, make a 2000$ 40" TV [or whatever it costs] so only a handful of people will buy it [cuz afterall same money on CRT gets you way bigger].
Honestly. To me Java has always been one of those "lets make a language that solves problem people don't have" languages. And of course the boon on Java turned into the Boon on VB then MFC then.asp then.net then all the other open langs like ruby/parrot/python/perl.
Next thing you know "software developers" have 23 books on their shelf because lord knows if you can't program in at least a dozen redundant programming languages you're behind the curve and incapable of developing a good product.
What people often miss is that most languages [.asp/.net/C# for instance] are just developed *solely* to keep the attention on their OS. In the case of Windows you could already write *any* application using the same API they had for 3.1 with a C compiler and resource editor. You don't need VB or MFC or... to write a windows application... that doesn't mean Microsoft won't FUD you into buying $1000s worth of useless development tools. I mean afterall if you're next application is not.net then well your clients will wonder why they're not getting "leading edge technology".
For SUN this is just some publicity stunt. Wait till they actually do release it and see what license they pick.
Other than slowly loading cpu-hogging web applets [mostly games but I've seen a few decent educational ones] Java has no place on the desktop or elsewhere.
Hopefully what will happen is some wannabe big-wig OSS developer will take over Java development [on sf.net of course] then add 100 random features [like Java needs a DWIM statement] and halt development as soon as he gets his name in the press somewhere. The project will then stagnate and people will finally just let Java die and move on to the "next big language of 2005 (tm)".
People really ought todo themselves a favour. When you're first getting into "programming" it's useful to be exposed to several langs [I suggest Pascal and C...] but you really ought to settle on one for main development. I mean sure it pays to know sh and perl scripting but learning C++ then C# then Java then.... won't prove that you can actually develop product.
The more useless trivial patents the merrier. Eventually everyone will sue each other over completely ridiculous claims [e.g. optimized for-loop;-)] and legislation will be not only demanded but simply required to deal with the mess.
I say go out and grab yourself a useless patent if you can afford it. You're doing your civic duty!
I'd say English is a multi-purpose language. It can be used to "program" people todo things.
E.g. how do you bake a cake? Most people probably follow a set routine [algorithm whatever] to produce a cake. They probably learned how to make a cake from a cooking book [or from other people spoken aloud].
I don't see the "awe" and "mystery" in calling something a programming language. It's simply a language used to instruct someone/something in order to perform a task.
So you're telling me the displaying apparatus is now the message? Gotcha.
You're not viewing someones creation it's the web browser spontaneously creating an environment for you purely out of thin fucking air.
Your point doesn't really make sense though. Tables and textarea elements look different in Mozilla and IE. The browser has some leeway. I'd still say the browser was instructed to put a table or a textarea somewhere.
If you're trying to troll you're not going to win. My resolve is far too great for you.
I don't see what bearing that has on the conversation at all. HTML "markup" is still a grammar where you instruct an interpreter to perform certain actions.
I mean a "table" command cannot turn into a HREF link etc... table means table.
Your argument is analogous to saying C is not a programing language because an ARM and x86 compiler will produce different object code from the same source.
That's just it. OSS is volunteer work. Even if you sit at "BigEvilCorpUSA (tm)" and work on a project that is PD or GPL it's still "volunteer" work.
How many times do you help at a blood drive or something then say "pay up!!!".
Personally I place all my software in the public domain because at the end of the day I'm proud that people are using it. Even if it's "BigEvilCorpUSA (tm)" [there are a few using my stuff]. At least some joe-smuck is able to do his job better because he doesn't have to reinvent the wheel.
And frankly if your only reason for writing OSS is making money you're in the wrong business. Support is where it's at. I've scored three gigs so far from companies that use my software and require an experienced hand. It's paid for my tuition time and again and gave me some extra money for snacks and what have not;-)
I'd argue just the opposite. In HTML you put a for bold. You are *instructing* an interpreter to perform an action.
If you say HTML is not a language I say C is not a language. C code itelf doesn't do anything either. It's the compiler that turns the code into executable code [to perform the actions].
Though I disagree with other posters. If you want to learn how to write programs [e.g. executable images] then you're best learning a language like C along side algorithms, various maths, data structures, compiler theory, etc, etc, etc.
Just "knowing" C or just "knowing" Java doesn't make you a programmer in the same way that just "knowing" English doesn't make you a novelist.
As for the "instant gratification" properties of HTML I say grow up. Sometimes the best feeling when writing code [of any significant size] is seeing larger portions pass testing. It shows that you thought out ahead what you were doing, you implemented it well and you followed through with the given specifications [e.g. a job well done].
I'd say if you "grew up" around computers and learned computer languages early on you'd stand a better chance.
The question is analogous to "I want to teach my mother German. I don't want to start with novels but I also don't want to start with the alphabet".
If you could just "pick up" a computer language like C and be proficient at it instantly [hello american immediate gratitifcation society] then all these "computer programmers" really would be out of jobs...
What? You mean when you walk into a lab on Sunday and see 10 people working together on individual assignments that they could possibly be cheating?
Heaven forbid that thought....
If I were in a position to hire I totally wouldn't give a flying shit about degrees. It's a portfolio of actual work I'd be interested in.
That always flies back in my face from my peers at school. "But Tom, we're in school! How do we demonstrate experience if we haven't had a job yet?" To which I reply "Do free work and support it."
Most people in my classes think giving away work is just plain stupid. However, little do they realize that through [for example] my free work I've met quite a few people [e.g. networking], have scored several freelance development contracts [like the one I have this week for 400$ USD/day] and so on.
People have to realize that school is only as important as what you do with. Just getting stupid grades isn't demonstration that you're productive. It's a demonstration that you can play the system.
I mean there is no way this kid could claim with a straight face that he thought it was okay to copy other peoples work. If that's what he though a degree is then they would award the degree to the person he copied from.
Instead the university took his money put it to use [e.g pay staff, maintain building]. If anything he did community service;-)
Though in all honesty the kid should be thinking more about trying to at least start over in school. As it stands now his academic track is screwed.
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Your post is all sorts of wrong...
NBS [now nist] made a call for ciphers in 1973. It made a second call the following year. IBM's design was a quick favourite and was chosen in *1976*. Even at that time DES was critized for "mysterious sboxes" and a short key.
In fact when DES went for renewable people still fought it every inch of the way.
So actually from day 1 DES wasn't a favourite outside of the government...
Tom
it's ok to hack a format, subvert DRM and turn the world upside down to play DVDs in linux... but some company wants to wedge into legally acquired ipods and they're the evil of the world....
Tom
Get together with other tech manufacturer, agree on a 1000-pin model and stick with that? That way we can have more effective competition, less fractioning of technology [I mean, do I use a 729, 940 or 939 pin mobo for an "Athlon 64+ 3500?"]
Tom
Now I don't want to go on rant but....
/rant
[snort] cuz they need that extra hyper-texel nipplematic vector engine so they can [snort snort] get to the 9th level of EQ....
Most gamers are just idiots who buy whatever someone else tells them to. I bought a FX5200 graphics card. Most review sites say it sucks. I play Quake3 based games [in linux no less] at a good enough frame rate [>40FPS @1024x768x32bpp] and all for 100$ [cdn]. The card has no moving parts [re: noise], uses the nVidia driver system [re: sweet], supports OGL 1.4 and DX 9 [should I choose to run winders].
Oh sure I could do what Tom's Hardware tells me and buy a FX6800UltraMegaUber space warmer so I could get 112fps in the latest "rehash of last years best seller" for 699$ but that won't change the fact that the game was fun before.
I think "winders gamers" are the main reason why developers don't target multiple platforms more often. If more people just said "you know what, I'll buy a console while people get their act together and make Linux games" I'm sure you'd see things change.
Instead, people are just their regular sheep selves and will buy wares from "their enemy" [riaa, mpaa, microsoft, mcdonalds, etc...]. Dudes, there are CHOICES you just have to be "unpopular" and make them.
Um say what? 100 SRAM or DRAM bits have 2^100 states. So what? Your GB of ram has 2^2^33 possible states. Isn't that amazing?
Tom
you can be good for the world and not GPL...
PHP guys don't want to go GPL I say good for them. Personally I think the GPL isn't much of a step forward. It breeds lazy developers looking to make a name for themselves via half-ass incomplete implementations [e.g. lacking documentation, which we all know sucks to do but if you don't what's the point?]
Go public domain if you want to give your code away. You'll get more users, free stuff [like books and trips] and get your name out more effectively [people use *your* distro not because they might as well [re: gpl] but because they trust your work]...
My two cents...
Oh and PHP is neato, gooooooo PHP!
CNN doesn't talk about him so he's not real.
No he's talking about trespassing. As in just because I don't have locks on my doors doesn't mean you can waltz in, look around and then tell me so. My house, my server.
What these "good meaning" students should have done is
a) asked for permission
b) filed their results with the school
c) wait appropriate delay and publish to public
Not
a) break in to system [illegally]
b) brag about it in press
c) hope they don't get busted...
Tom
criminal speaks at HOPE, news at 11
LinuxToday who?
I'm linux fan/almost_guru. Have used it for quite some time. Never once read or seen "LinuxToday".
What do I care if they run Windows ads? If they need money to stay afloat and MSFT wants to flip the bill then all the more power to them.
I think though that some Linux types over estimate their pull. "Boycott this cuz I say so" fuck you jackass. I'll go donate 10$ just to spite you now motherfucker.
You might see some banding but really it's enough to create the illusion anyways.
The problem is it's a 40" fucking TV.
If they made say 20-36" [ranges] TVs then more people could afford it and in turn sponsor the research into better displays. But no, make a 2000$ 40" TV [or whatever it costs] so only a handful of people will buy it [cuz afterall same money on CRT gets you way bigger].
"who gives a shit".
.asp then .net then all the other open langs like ruby/parrot/python/perl.
... to write a windows application... that doesn't mean Microsoft won't FUD you into buying $1000s worth of useless development tools. I mean afterall if you're next application is not .net then well your clients will wonder why they're not getting "leading edge technology".
.... won't prove that you can actually develop product.
Honestly. To me Java has always been one of those "lets make a language that solves problem people don't have" languages. And of course the boon on Java turned into the Boon on VB then MFC then
Next thing you know "software developers" have 23 books on their shelf because lord knows if you can't program in at least a dozen redundant programming languages you're behind the curve and incapable of developing a good product.
What people often miss is that most languages [.asp/.net/C# for instance] are just developed *solely* to keep the attention on their OS. In the case of Windows you could already write *any* application using the same API they had for 3.1 with a C compiler and resource editor. You don't need VB or MFC or
For SUN this is just some publicity stunt. Wait till they actually do release it and see what license they pick.
Other than slowly loading cpu-hogging web applets [mostly games but I've seen a few decent educational ones] Java has no place on the desktop or elsewhere.
Hopefully what will happen is some wannabe big-wig OSS developer will take over Java development [on sf.net of course] then add 100 random features [like Java needs a DWIM statement] and halt development as soon as he gets his name in the press somewhere. The project will then stagnate and people will finally just let Java die and move on to the "next big language of 2005 (tm)".
People really ought todo themselves a favour. When you're first getting into "programming" it's useful to be exposed to several langs [I suggest Pascal and C...] but you really ought to settle on one for main development. I mean sure it pays to know sh and perl scripting but learning C++ then C# then Java then
Tom
The more useless trivial patents the merrier. Eventually everyone will sue each other over completely ridiculous claims [e.g. optimized for-loop ;-)] and legislation will be not only demanded but simply required to deal with the mess.
I say go out and grab yourself a useless patent if you can afford it. You're doing your civic duty!
Tom
I'd say English is a multi-purpose language. It can be used to "program" people todo things.
E.g. how do you bake a cake? Most people probably follow a set routine [algorithm whatever] to produce a cake. They probably learned how to make a cake from a cooking book [or from other people spoken aloud].
I don't see the "awe" and "mystery" in calling something a programming language. It's simply a language used to instruct someone/something in order to perform a task.
MOV EAX,3
puts 3 in EAX.
1. Walk over to table.
Instructs you to walk over to the table.
So you're telling me the displaying apparatus is now the message? Gotcha.
You're not viewing someones creation it's the web browser spontaneously creating an environment for you purely out of thin fucking air.
Your point doesn't really make sense though. Tables and textarea elements look different in Mozilla and IE. The browser has some leeway. I'd still say the browser was instructed to put a table or a textarea somewhere.
If you're trying to troll you're not going to win. My resolve is far too great for you.
I don't see what bearing that has on the conversation at all. HTML "markup" is still a grammar where you instruct an interpreter to perform certain actions.
I mean a "table" command cannot turn into a HREF link etc... table means table.
Your argument is analogous to saying C is not a programing language because an ARM and x86 compiler will produce different object code from the same source.
C is not a programming language!!!!????
That's just it. OSS is volunteer work. Even if you sit at "BigEvilCorpUSA (tm)" and work on a project that is PD or GPL it's still "volunteer" work.
;-)
How many times do you help at a blood drive or something then say "pay up!!!".
Personally I place all my software in the public domain because at the end of the day I'm proud that people are using it. Even if it's "BigEvilCorpUSA (tm)" [there are a few using my stuff]. At least some joe-smuck is able to do his job better because he doesn't have to reinvent the wheel.
And frankly if your only reason for writing OSS is making money you're in the wrong business. Support is where it's at. I've scored three gigs so far from companies that use my software and require an experienced hand. It's paid for my tuition time and again and gave me some extra money for snacks and what have not
Tom
I'd argue just the opposite. In HTML you put a for bold. You are *instructing* an interpreter to perform an action.
If you say HTML is not a language I say C is not a language. C code itelf doesn't do anything either. It's the compiler that turns the code into executable code [to perform the actions].
Though I disagree with other posters. If you want to learn how to write programs [e.g. executable images] then you're best learning a language like C along side algorithms, various maths, data structures, compiler theory, etc, etc, etc.
Just "knowing" C or just "knowing" Java doesn't make you a programmer in the same way that just "knowing" English doesn't make you a novelist.
As for the "instant gratification" properties of HTML I say grow up. Sometimes the best feeling when writing code [of any significant size] is seeing larger portions pass testing. It shows that you thought out ahead what you were doing, you implemented it well and you followed through with the given specifications [e.g. a job well done].
Tom
I'd say if you "grew up" around computers and learned computer languages early on you'd stand a better chance.
The question is analogous to "I want to teach my mother German. I don't want to start with novels but I also don't want to start with the alphabet".
If you could just "pick up" a computer language like C and be proficient at it instantly [hello american immediate gratitifcation society] then all these "computer programmers" really would be out of jobs...
Tom
I'd think the only responsibility the school has is to not issue him a degree. They did that. Therefore, the school did their job.
Where does it say that you will be kicked out X days after cheating?
Tom
Why? Did he not sit in a class and occupy a place where another student could attend? Did he not submit work for grading? Did he not attend exams?
He got what he paid for. The school simply doesn't think he earned the degree. TFB.
Tom
The university didn't force him to cheat. He could have attempted the work himself... or heaven forbid drop out earlier.
Last I checked you're not entitled to a degree just because you attend an exam or two. Goto community college or clown school or something.
Tom
That's why you should build a portfolio of work. Do hobby projects and support them [e.g. updates, upgrades, documentation, etc...].
A degree just gets your name in a queue. When you get interviewed having a body of previous related work is a bonus.
Tom
What? You mean when you walk into a lab on Sunday and see 10 people working together on individual assignments that they could possibly be cheating?
Heaven forbid that thought....
If I were in a position to hire I totally wouldn't give a flying shit about degrees. It's a portfolio of actual work I'd be interested in.
That always flies back in my face from my peers at school. "But Tom, we're in school! How do we demonstrate experience if we haven't had a job yet?" To which I reply "Do free work and support it."
Most people in my classes think giving away work is just plain stupid. However, little do they realize that through [for example] my free work I've met quite a few people [e.g. networking], have scored several freelance development contracts [like the one I have this week for 400$ USD/day] and so on.
People have to realize that school is only as important as what you do with. Just getting stupid grades isn't demonstration that you're productive. It's a demonstration that you can play the system.
Tom
"Now what did you learn?"
;-)
I mean there is no way this kid could claim with a straight face that he thought it was okay to copy other peoples work. If that's what he though a degree is then they would award the degree to the person he copied from.
Instead the university took his money put it to use [e.g pay staff, maintain building]. If anything he did community service
Though in all honesty the kid should be thinking more about trying to at least start over in school. As it stands now his academic track is screwed.
Tom