Which is probably why New York's finest are usually busy issuing tickets to pregnant women for sitting down, bar owners for allowing dancing, seniors in the park feeding pigeons, or for that most heinous of crimes, sitting on milk crates.
It's as if you buy a computer at a store and they tell you that you have to add a 900$ sound card [which is just a cheap 10$ CMPCI clone] to make the computer work then pocket the difference.
How is that not fraud? You were told you needed the sound card [not true] and that the sale price was 900$ [also not true]. Similarly they were told they needed equipment that wasn't required.
I mean what is the alternative? If you can't rely on the word of the service provider than you might as well learn to be a medic, car mechanic, building architect, etc, etc, etc.
Granted I agree the average school I.T. guy is just some jackass college dropout [was my experience when in high school] who should have known better. I'd be happier if they burned some IT guys and NEC sales people simultaneously.
If they were on American soil when they made the deal they should be tried in American courts. If they were in Japan then they should answer to the Japanese authories.
I'm sure fraud is illegal both in the states and Japan.
What? Are you saying that corporations that rob billions of dollars out of people [and other corporations] are equally or more damaging than say someone who steals a 100$ walkman from K-Mart?
HOW DARE YOU!
At least when huge corporations ruin your life [out of job, higher taxes, in some cases no 401k] they do it with a smile and zeal.
Some low life criminal stealing a 100$ walkman [marked up from the stores price of 14$] is mean and evil and will damage society as we know it!
is why is this "bad"? I thought that American business was simply a matter of stepping on other peoples backs to climb the "success" ladder and managed to acquire [how is left as exercise to the reader] the most of an intangible object [that would be money].
I guess getting caught is where NEC screwed up. You're supposed to take all the money while muttering something about a 2 day "same as nothing" exchange policy for defective equipment. All while another salesdemon tries to upsell you on an extended warranty. So you know, if something breaks they'll have look at it in 2 to 3 months and maybe even fix it if the devry graduate computer tech even knows how to open the fucking thing.
But that's a horrible waste of 256M of ram. I dunno what y'all are whining about but I never really noticed swap problems on either of my own boxes [512M ram in desktop, 768M in laptop].
Just set aside a few hundred M for swap and be done with. Specially since HD space is so cheap.
This logic doesn't work. Murder is already unacceptable yet people still do it.
By your logic murder shouldn't be a crime because criminals will do it anyways.
Clearly just putting people in cells doesn't "stop crime". In fact in some respects crime rates have been rising despite the larger and additional prisons being built.
The truth of the matter is not all criminals are going to offend multiple times. I mean how many times did your parents take a toy away from you when you were little to teach you a lesson? Did the lesson hold? [e.g. be polite, share with others, etc, etc, etc].
At least by punishing people in more obvious ways will send a message. Steal property? Have your property repo'ed. Commit fraud [or identity theft?] have your credit black listed for a period [e.g. a couple years], etc.
How about also invest more money in education instead of war crimes and stupid military expenditures? I'm sure if you walked into a grade 12 class and said "all of you will have subsidized college. All you have to do is shoot straight and get appropriate marks" you'd see a marked improvement in graduation rates, college attendance and productivity as a whole.
Just jailing someone doesn't force them to learn a skill or appreciate the consequences [on the victim] of their actions.
Shit, I could murder someone, "be a good boy", get out in 10-20 years and then what? Um I'll never do it again? Um, I have no job skills. I've been bubba bench buddy for 20 years!. Meanwhile 20 years of prison cost the taxpayers roughly a million dollars [50k*20].
Judge: I hereby sentence you to prison. We will provide for room and board free of charge. In fact you won't be responsible to do society any good while we spend thousands upon thousands a year to shelter you from the elements. All you have to do is wear an orange jumpsuit and answer to 387419.
And putting him in jail does what? He sits on his ass not aquiring any useful skills, gets angry, gets out and does the same thing.
At least if you turn off his credit he can learn how the identity theft victims felt when they ran into credit problems [cuz recall the point of most identity theft is to run up credit].
Also recall that the purpose of prison is to deny liberty to those that deny liberties of others. It's tit for tat just like my suggestion.
Things can be illegal and not a criminal offense. Think jay-walking. It's against the law [by-laws normally] but you *cannot* go to jail for it no matter how many times you jay walk.
In Canada they're called [iirc] summary convictions which you can contest in court but are not criminal matters [e.g. like speeding less than 50KPH over the limit].
I have a Mobile 2400+ Athlon in my laptop as well. It's plenty powerful. Doesn't mean I'm going to tax it by keeping dozen of applications open.
For example, right now I have xmms, gaim, mozilla [one tab], mozilla mail, gedit and a shell open. I dunno about you but when I'm coding/developing software I don't routinely need access to dozens of websites and other documents. I may have a tab or two at the most or maybe a PDF or two at most...
See the problem I have with people like you is that you "deck out" your desktop to show off how cool you are but rarely do people like you really produce anything of substantial value worth attention. Why not go back to putting wings and blue lights on your honda civic loser.
Many people buy computers from local Futureshop/bestbuy/retailers.... In fact my Laptop was my first "non-pieced together from parts myself" computer. Many of my friends fit in the same boat [actually many of my friends have hand-me-downs from my previous computers....stupid leaches;-)].
Point is Dell isn't the only one to offer a warranty [which are normally fairly useless I might add sadly..]
Comments like that of Dell are just to put off the people who would otherwise point out that Dell doesn't really invent new technology and therefore isn't really on the leading edge of new technology.
1. Dual booting waste resources [disk space, time, etc]
2. Dual booting can be problematic
3. Dual booting often delays new OSS users from fully embracing [and getting the most out of] the tools which in turns lowers their rate of adoption.
4. Dual booters are often lame wannabe's who then "steal" jobs by lying about their qualifications [e.g. knowledgeable about modern operating systems, *nix in general, etc] while viewing OSS as a novelty and insulting the vast realm of developers who take it quite seriously.
Oh common, the 100s of daily "message has virus" emails I get are very useful. It makes me keep my Gentoo box win32 virus free!
I once confronted a sysop about this and they told me "if we don't email them back people won't know the message was rejected". Apparently the idea of checking while reading the message never crossed his mind.
As another poster suggested I just filter out all "warning" emails as junk which helps.
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Which is probably why New York's finest are usually busy issuing tickets to pregnant women for sitting down, bar owners for allowing dancing, seniors in the park feeding pigeons, or for that most heinous of crimes, sitting on milk crates.
Shut....Up......Hippie
As followup...
I'm not trying to minimalize theft. I think stealing a 100$ walkman is a crime too.
Just trying to point out the oddity that is the modern world.
Spend money to improve public services!?!?! The animals!!
;-)
This is why democracy doesn't work...
I think they claimed they "needed" the equipment.
It's as if you buy a computer at a store and they tell you that you have to add a 900$ sound card [which is just a cheap 10$ CMPCI clone] to make the computer work then pocket the difference.
How is that not fraud? You were told you needed the sound card [not true] and that the sale price was 900$ [also not true]. Similarly they were told they needed equipment that wasn't required.
I mean what is the alternative? If you can't rely on the word of the service provider than you might as well learn to be a medic, car mechanic, building architect, etc, etc, etc.
Granted I agree the average school I.T. guy is just some jackass college dropout [was my experience when in high school] who should have known better. I'd be happier if they burned some IT guys and NEC sales people simultaneously.
Tom
So um crime happened where?
If they were on American soil when they made the deal they should be tried in American courts. If they were in Japan then they should answer to the Japanese authories.
I'm sure fraud is illegal both in the states and Japan.
Ooh that was hard.
What? Are you saying that corporations that rob billions of dollars out of people [and other corporations] are equally or more damaging than say someone who steals a 100$ walkman from K-Mart?
HOW DARE YOU!
At least when huge corporations ruin your life [out of job, higher taxes, in some cases no 401k] they do it with a smile and zeal.
Some low life criminal stealing a 100$ walkman [marked up from the stores price of 14$] is mean and evil and will damage society as we know it!
Tom
is why is this "bad"? I thought that American business was simply a matter of stepping on other peoples backs to climb the "success" ladder and managed to acquire [how is left as exercise to the reader] the most of an intangible object [that would be money].
I guess getting caught is where NEC screwed up. You're supposed to take all the money while muttering something about a 2 day "same as nothing" exchange policy for defective equipment. All while another salesdemon tries to upsell you on an extended warranty. So you know, if something breaks they'll have look at it in 2 to 3 months and maybe even fix it if the devry graduate computer tech even knows how to open the fucking thing.
Yeah modern business!!!
Tom
But that's a horrible waste of 256M of ram. I dunno what y'all are whining about but I never really noticed swap problems on either of my own boxes [512M ram in desktop, 768M in laptop].
Just set aside a few hundred M for swap and be done with. Specially since HD space is so cheap.
Tom
This logic doesn't work. Murder is already unacceptable yet people still do it.
By your logic murder shouldn't be a crime because criminals will do it anyways.
Clearly just putting people in cells doesn't "stop crime". In fact in some respects crime rates have been rising despite the larger and additional prisons being built.
The truth of the matter is not all criminals are going to offend multiple times. I mean how many times did your parents take a toy away from you when you were little to teach you a lesson? Did the lesson hold? [e.g. be polite, share with others, etc, etc, etc].
At least by punishing people in more obvious ways will send a message. Steal property? Have your property repo'ed. Commit fraud [or identity theft?] have your credit black listed for a period [e.g. a couple years], etc.
How about also invest more money in education instead of war crimes and stupid military expenditures? I'm sure if you walked into a grade 12 class and said "all of you will have subsidized college. All you have to do is shoot straight and get appropriate marks" you'd see a marked improvement in graduation rates, college attendance and productivity as a whole.
Just jailing someone doesn't force them to learn a skill or appreciate the consequences [on the victim] of their actions.
Shit, I could murder someone, "be a good boy", get out in 10-20 years and then what? Um I'll never do it again? Um, I have no job skills. I've been bubba bench buddy for 20 years!. Meanwhile 20 years of prison cost the taxpayers roughly a million dollars [50k*20].
Not bad!
Tom
Oh better is
Judge: I hereby sentence you to prison. We will provide for room and board free of charge. In fact you won't be responsible to do society any good while we spend thousands upon thousands a year to shelter you from the elements. All you have to do is wear an orange jumpsuit and answer to 387419.
Criminal: Aight.
I can see it's much smarter your way.
Tom
And putting him in jail does what? He sits on his ass not aquiring any useful skills, gets angry, gets out and does the same thing.
At least if you turn off his credit he can learn how the identity theft victims felt when they ran into credit problems [cuz recall the point of most identity theft is to run up credit].
Also recall that the purpose of prison is to deny liberty to those that deny liberties of others. It's tit for tat just like my suggestion.
Tom
Jail time is not always the answer. The real answer is to deny the criminal any credit for the rest of his life.
Want a house? Too bad. Already own a house? Not any more! Want a car? Too bad, etc, etc, etc.
See how the criminal likes not having any credit and having to buy things outright with cash all the time.
Putting the prick in jail just gives him a free ride for 7 years.
Tom
Things can be illegal and not a criminal offense. Think jay-walking. It's against the law [by-laws normally] but you *cannot* go to jail for it no matter how many times you jay walk.
In Canada they're called [iirc] summary convictions which you can contest in court but are not criminal matters [e.g. like speeding less than 50KPH over the limit].
Tom
Yeah, sorry about that. I wasn't on my game today. I'll put forth a better effort next time. I promise!
Tom
Don't you fucking get it? I tear a strip off total strangers and they go away crying or get all pissy. You're no fun to pick on.
Die in a horrible car fire.
I have a Mobile 2400+ Athlon in my laptop as well. It's plenty powerful. Doesn't mean I'm going to tax it by keeping dozen of applications open.
For example, right now I have xmms, gaim, mozilla [one tab], mozilla mail, gedit and a shell open. I dunno about you but when I'm coding/developing software I don't routinely need access to dozens of websites and other documents. I may have a tab or two at the most or maybe a PDF or two at most...
See the problem I have with people like you is that you "deck out" your desktop to show off how cool you are but rarely do people like you really produce anything of substantial value worth attention. Why not go back to putting wings and blue lights on your honda civic loser.
You bitch about "potential slowdowns" but then misuse the tools. Well maybe Mozilla wasn't meant to have a dozen tabs open on a 300Mhz processor?
I am not understanding your goat-raping argument.
Or you just find the other attorneys and rape their mothers. Like a good donkey raping mother fucker you are.
Fucking smart ass. I bet you thought up that joke all by yourself. Did it hurt?
Go rape your mother or something you retarded donkey fucker.
Ooh, let's make our own non-interoperable standards cuz we're elite chinese shit.
How about's ya join the rest of the free world you stupid chink motherfuckers and stop being such fucking lame ass jokes.
You think the rest of the world doesn't know how lame y'all are? Coverup your government, failing space agency, lame retro-technology.
Fucking rice farmers wouldn't know what was good for you unless Mao fucking stapled it to your fucking foreheads your fucking self.
Die chinese die!
You have 15 tabs open in two mozilla windows? You sir are a fucking moron. Do you honestly need that many websites open at once?
I mean sure it would be nice to load EVERY application into ram [multiple times] but that's not entirely smart.
Tom
Many people buy computers from local Futureshop/bestbuy/retailers.... In fact my Laptop was my first "non-pieced together from parts myself" computer. Many of my friends fit in the same boat [actually many of my friends have hand-me-downs from my previous computers....stupid leaches ;-)].
Point is Dell isn't the only one to offer a warranty [which are normally fairly useless I might add sadly..]
Comments like that of Dell are just to put off the people who would otherwise point out that Dell doesn't really invent new technology and therefore isn't really on the leading edge of new technology.
Tom
it's not 50 cent it's "fitty cent".
Say it like the "rapstors" say it.
Tom
The problem is many-fold
1. Dual booting waste resources [disk space, time, etc]
2. Dual booting can be problematic
3. Dual booting often delays new OSS users from fully embracing [and getting the most out of] the tools which in turns lowers their rate of adoption.
4. Dual booters are often lame wannabe's who then "steal" jobs by lying about their qualifications [e.g. knowledgeable about modern operating systems, *nix in general, etc] while viewing OSS as a novelty and insulting the vast realm of developers who take it quite seriously.
Tom
Oh common, the 100s of daily "message has virus" emails I get are very useful. It makes me keep my Gentoo box win32 virus free!
I once confronted a sysop about this and they told me "if we don't email them back people won't know the message was rejected". Apparently the idea of checking while reading the message never crossed his mind.
As another poster suggested I just filter out all "warning" emails as junk which helps.
Tom