You know you can be upset at the scammer and the fool at the same time.
For instance, if a dude buys something [say from OEM Express] then opens it, realizes it doesn't work and tries to bring it back the same day and finds out he can't get a refund despite the store has a clearly delineated refund policy [that allows upto 7 days].
That's a scam.
A dude that sends 320K to a complete stranger so he can lock into twenty percent of $20,00,0,000.00 US DOLLARS is a fucking moron.
"First of all, he's 73. Think how much the world has changed in his lifetime."
419 scams are *NOT* new. They're just more popular now that email is fast and simple.
Unfortunately pyramid schemes, 419 scams, etc have existed for a very long time. The fact that this guy didn't know about them is because he's a dumb inbred american who doesn't spend a second to learn about the world around him.
"I will have a million dollars but I need you to give me 10000$ so I can process some forms."
People who don't see problems with this probably buy from spammers. They deserve each other [note I'm not saying the scammer is right. They should die at the hands of a hungry tiger too].
I mean if it's 100% sure that I will get a million dollars I'll get a loan at 30% or whatever and pay it off before too much interest accumulates [e.g. do it quick even with a penalty it can't be that much].
Whoever modded me insightful is a fucking moron. No shit posted on/. is ever insightful, specially from me. My god you guys live sick fucking lives!!!!!!!!
Geek-code is so hella lame. It basically says "hey I'm cool, I invented an impractical language with a loosely defined incomplete grammar for which I can strut my importance.
That sounds like someone who isn't responsible for working code speaking...
A developer plans, organizes, designs and makes sure that the end product meets specifications [e.g. on time, within budget and does what the requirements state].
A programmer [or hacker] takes a problem and writes code to solve it. They're not responsible for the bigger picture and they certainly don't control the design or requirements.
Think of a developer as an engineer/architect and a programmer as a construction crew worker. They're both skilled people in their own respects just one position is a tad more academic than the other.
I'd trust an architect or engineer more to design my house than I would a carpenter or welder. Just like I'd trust a software developer more to engineer a system to fulfill my requirements more than I would a programmer who only thinks about the coding aspect and nothing else.
And if still don't think I have a valid point look at the # of dormant OSS libraries out there that mirror functionality. They were all written by programmers who saw an immediate problem and churned out the code to solve it [or at least partly solve it]. A true developer would have made a quality library [or improved an existing one] followed specs to the "T" and produced a library others would use instead of inventing their own...
"A kernel hacker in the employ of Red Hat and widely accepted as second only to Linus Torvalds himself in the echelons of open source illuminati"
First off, he's not a kernel hacker. He's a kernel developer. I'd like to think the changes he makes are well thought out [to the extent possible].
Second, Linux Torvalds is by far not the largest OSS contributor in the world. First off, there are 100s of Kernel developers. Second, what of all the userland and development tools required to build the fucking kernel in the first place? Did those just pop out of the wind?
Sure Linus has contributed a huge gift to the OSS community but it isn't like OSS wouldn't exist without him. For starters, the GNU organization pre-dates Linux by quite a while.
Whoever wrote the article should do some fucking research first and less idol worshiping.
And yes firefighters and doctors do "make work" for themselves. I think it was just last year that a female firefighter started a forest fire to get more overtime...
First, the connection to the original article is the "your network is insecure" then you either make up an attack, or mount the attack yourself [e.g. it's not a realistic threat model]. The connection being virus scanner writer people saying "you need version 8.1 cuz.... we catch more viruses".
The best way for a virus writer to stay in business is to write viruses. That simply follows. This happens in other industries too. How many times have fire fighters lit forests on fire for some overtime pay? How many doctors fuel patient hypocondria? etc...
I don't see it being that hard to support. Who best knows how to attack a virus scanner or system than a virus scanner writer. Oh buy our new upgrade, it products against W32/Symantek.F;-)
The problem is the average walked-on citizen is the one buying the products from these people. If people really despised oversized companies that treat their employees poorly you wouldn't drive a car, use a cell phone, drink pepsi, watch MPAA movies, listen to RIAA music or use MSFT software...
The problem is people are wickedly too weak willed to stop fueling the people who seem to hurt them the most!
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Um no.
You know you can be upset at the scammer and the fool at the same time.
For instance, if a dude buys something [say from OEM Express] then opens it, realizes it doesn't work and tries to bring it back the same day and finds out he can't get a refund despite the store has a clearly delineated refund policy [that allows upto 7 days].
That's a scam.
A dude that sends 320K to a complete stranger so he can lock into twenty percent of $20,00,0,000.00 US DOLLARS is a fucking moron.
Tom
"First of all, he's 73. Think how much the world has changed in his lifetime."
419 scams are *NOT* new. They're just more popular now that email is fast and simple.
Unfortunately pyramid schemes, 419 scams, etc have existed for a very long time. The fact that this guy didn't know about them is because he's a dumb inbred american who doesn't spend a second to learn about the world around him.
Too bad!
Tom
Um, first off.
"I will have a million dollars but I need you to give me 10000$ so I can process some forms."
People who don't see problems with this probably buy from spammers. They deserve each other [note I'm not saying the scammer is right. They should die at the hands of a hungry tiger too].
I mean if it's 100% sure that I will get a million dollars I'll get a loan at 30% or whatever and pay it off before too much interest accumulates [e.g. do it quick even with a penalty it can't be that much].
Tom
Most worms are either email, script faults or RPC/fileshare.
So don't read email, visit non-update sites or open your ports below say 1000 to the outside world.
Wow I'm a fucking genius. Since most homes have multiple computers anyways you will want a cheapo 100$ router anyways.
Praise me!
Whoever modded the parent as troll is an idiot. It was on topic, made an argument and was not nasty.
See disagree != troll.
It might have been a bit of flamebait [not really] but certainly not troll.
You suck moderator... suck the big one.
Whoever modded me insightful is a fucking moron. No shit posted on /. is ever insightful, specially from me. My god you guys live sick fucking lives!!!!!!!!
Now mod the parent down already! He's an idiot!
Tom
Hell, if you have to "save up" for anything Apple chances are you can't afford it anyways.
Tom
How much sampling did they do? Or did they just take MySQL and some bum-wad county program and compare them?
/. would be able to see past stereotypes already.
That's like saying all negros are criminals because the TV show COPS shows them being criminals.
I'd think a left-wing pro commie gaggle of hippies such as
Live in the now man!
Oh common, play nice with the other /. or you won't get your milk and cookies.
Now go sit in the corner and think about what you have said.
Tom
I also write free software, play way too many video games, attend a crappy college, work freelance and generally exist.
/. is a big part of me day.
Though, yeah
Tom
Yes, and if I have to reinstall my OS on a new box can I still play them?
If so then great, otherwise I want heads to roll for this! Treason!
Tom
Quoth your sig
"GCS d--(-)@ s: a- C++()@ UL* P--(---) L++ E- W+++(++) N++ o K? w---$ PS+ PE- Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5-- X++@ R- tv++ b DI+ "
Geek-code is so hella lame. It basically says "hey I'm cool, I invented an impractical language with a loosely defined incomplete grammar for which I can strut my importance.
You might as well put "TBL++" in your code too.
Tom
If you buy a CD from a store you can back it up if you want. For example, I rip my new cds to disk and leave the CD in it's case from then on.
If I buy a DRM'ed track I can't back it up so when I lose my copy of it it's gone forever unless I want to shell out more $$$.
Tom
Apology accepted.
Tom
That wasn't very polite. Take it back or we're not friends anymore.
Tom
Just think how many nanoseconds that is!!!
Tom
That sounds like someone who isn't responsible for working code speaking...
A developer plans, organizes, designs and makes sure that the end product meets specifications [e.g. on time, within budget and does what the requirements state].
A programmer [or hacker] takes a problem and writes code to solve it. They're not responsible for the bigger picture and they certainly don't control the design or requirements.
Think of a developer as an engineer/architect and a programmer as a construction crew worker. They're both skilled people in their own respects just one position is a tad more academic than the other.
I'd trust an architect or engineer more to design my house than I would a carpenter or welder. Just like I'd trust a software developer more to engineer a system to fulfill my requirements more than I would a programmer who only thinks about the coding aspect and nothing else.
And if still don't think I have a valid point look at the # of dormant OSS libraries out there that mirror functionality. They were all written by programmers who saw an immediate problem and churned out the code to solve it [or at least partly solve it]. A true developer would have made a quality library [or improved an existing one] followed specs to the "T" and produced a library others would use instead of inventing their own...
tom
Tom
true dat. true dat.
Tom
Alan Cox is not programmer, he's a developer. There is a difference and anyone who is not in week 2 of their 3 week devry courses will know that.
Loser.
"A kernel hacker in the employ of Red Hat and widely accepted as second only to Linus Torvalds himself in the echelons of open source illuminati"
First off, he's not a kernel hacker. He's a kernel developer. I'd like to think the changes he makes are well thought out [to the extent possible].
Second, Linux Torvalds is by far not the largest OSS contributor in the world. First off, there are 100s of Kernel developers. Second, what of all the userland and development tools required to build the fucking kernel in the first place? Did those just pop out of the wind?
Sure Linus has contributed a huge gift to the OSS community but it isn't like OSS wouldn't exist without him. For starters, the GNU organization pre-dates Linux by quite a while.
Whoever wrote the article should do some fucking research first and less idol worshiping.
Tom
I didn't say they all do it.
And yes firefighters and doctors do "make work" for themselves. I think it was just last year that a female firefighter started a forest fire to get more overtime...
Tom
First, the connection to the original article is the "your network is insecure" then you either make up an attack, or mount the attack yourself [e.g. it's not a realistic threat model]. The connection being virus scanner writer people saying "you need version 8.1 cuz.... we catch more viruses".
The best way for a virus writer to stay in business is to write viruses. That simply follows. This happens in other industries too. How many times have fire fighters lit forests on fire for some overtime pay? How many doctors fuel patient hypocondria? etc...
I don't see it being that hard to support. Who best knows how to attack a virus scanner or system than a virus scanner writer. Oh buy our new upgrade, it products against W32/Symantek.F ;-)
Tom
The problem is the average walked-on citizen is the one buying the products from these people. If people really despised oversized companies that treat their employees poorly you wouldn't drive a car, use a cell phone, drink pepsi, watch MPAA movies, listen to RIAA music or use MSFT software...
The problem is people are wickedly too weak willed to stop fueling the people who seem to hurt them the most!
Tom