Outsourced just means people from outside one group work on it. There is a tight nit group of common developers for most OSS projects and people occasionally submit stuff. In a way they are outsourced developers sought out by the project maintainers.
Also the OSS == good logic doesn't fly with me. Most OSS projects are horrible and should have died long ago. For any good product [say XMMS] there are a half dozen related products that suck [those GTK+ media players], etc...
Um, Linux is "out sourced" as in its developed by a mildly interconnected bunch of people and its a decent product. [so to speak].
The problem with computer sweat shops in India is greed. Anyone and their brother with two weeks of IT training can become a "highly trained MCSE engineer" and then get paid 10% of what a US worker would get paid.
It isn't that India folk are stupider. It is that they pick the bottom of the barrel [and many jump in to fill in].
Likewise there are many stupid people who live right there in the US who have the same MCSE diploma. The trick the CEOs realized is why hire a dozen MCSEs in the US for 55K when you can hire some MCSE overseas for 5K.
The fact that DRM doesn't actually solve anything doesn't seem to phase these people?
Sure you can make *your* software DRM but free open source multimedia applications already exist. The cat is out of the bag [so to speak].
If there are any psych majors in the crowd could you please explain to me the appeal of seeking out the "latest 3 letter fad" regardless of any the predictable outcomes [e.g. DRM techniques always fail because the problem has no solution].
Actually what you delineated are symptoms of greater problems. The drivers and such are normally half-hazardly written by code monkey dropouts from IT college [or in foreign countries by their own dime-a-dozen-I-know-how-to-use-a-compiler junkies]. They're probably not aware of privileges in Windows let alone why they are important to work with.
That being said you could always return the defective printer on grounds that it will not work with a *properly* setup windows install. Similar for DRM. If enough people stopped using WMP9 [et al.] on grounds that they couldn't use it via a non-root user I bet MS would change [or have you killed and replaced with a kinder more MS friendlier copy of yourself].
However, that will never happend. People seem to shrug off most MS transgressions as "this is the way it probably is supposed to be."
Kinkos is a print shop. What are you going todo? Take over their boxes, setup all the drivers for the printers, network, then print?
Here's a tip. If you have to use a kinkos to print something [e.g. massive quantity] just burn a copy to a CD [or put it on a floppy disk] and bring it with you instead remotely logging into something to fetch it.
Not really. The problem with windows [like linux] are the users. If you don't login as administrator you cannot install drivers which means you shouldn't be able to exploit the box.
Windows to a large extent does have similar protections like unix/linux. The problem is nobody bothers to setup windows correctly.
Basically the correct analogy is as if all linux users logged in as root for all their daily work.
The store owners can though. However, if they use the data they gather that is illegal [or at least in violation of most ISP TOSes].
The government however, cannot randomly install spyware [legally] on private property. However, I bet many places [businesses I mean] have been talked into their patriotic duty.
If not you could always just use the TV-out ony many cards and record on another computer or VCR.
DRM is a joke propagated by stupid people that use media money on stupid research put forth by stupid companies [cloakware]. Instead they could just pay people to invent better tech, pay the artists [equally well] and shock! lower prices.
Well they shouldn't. They're not synonyms. [I just checked the dictionary].
Secure: Free from danger or attack: a secure fortress
Protected: To keep from being damaged, attacked, stolen, or injured; guard. See Synonyms at defend.
More so, secure is an adjective whereas protected is a verb. E.g. you protect something so it becomes secure.
My point is, by way of analogy, a lock on a door is not terribly secure but is a means to protecting property. If you purposely defeat the protection you cannot subsequently claim you reasonably thought you were entitled to the property.
To bring this back on topic. DVD CSS may not be secure, but if you purposefully defeat it [something that IMO shouldn't be illegal] to make a rip of a movie you don't own a copy of [something that should be illegal] you cannot claim you thought you had reasonable free access to it.
Same goes for password logins. E.g. I may use "root" as my password, you may know this. This is an example of insecurity. However, my system is still protected since you have to enter the password. You were not entitled to the password [or have reasonable belief to own it] which means you cannot claim that you didn't know you were tresspassing if you login via the password.
No but if you let people use your computer and they say install viruses or shit you should definitely be held liable [e.g. scrutinize who you let use your computer.]
Same could be argued for guns, cars, houses, beer, etc...
In Canada for instance, a bartender is legally required to cut off a person after a point. How are they to know you will walk out and die of alcohol poisoning while driving 90KM/h the wrong way on a highway?
If you let your friends use your computer and they run P2P on it tell your friends to not or get new friends. If you let them you should be equally as guilty.
Not the same. Its as if I lent you a book copying machine. The book itself cannot commit the crime [same way a computer can't] but being provided with a net connection can enable you todo this.
This is specially true for minors since afaik you can't really sue a minor in the US [can you?] so you would hold the parents liable [oh the horror! teach your kids to respect copyrights!]
And if you let complete strangers over to your house to use your ISP account [or give them the un/pw] then that's your own fault.
Not only that but I don't see what all the hoopla is over.
People were basically hiding behind their super-l33t codenames on P2P networks while they *BROKE THE LAW*. Now they're being caught. It's as if people put cameras in their stores to catch shoplifters... oh wait....
What is even worse about this [and you EFF freeloading left-wingers pay attention], by causing a scene over what should be a "no shit" situation when a real cause comes by people will not care e.g. "wasn't this on last week?"
For example, by causing a huge scene over PERFECTLY LEGAL law actions of the RIAA if they ever did break the law it will be harder for the average joe to know what is important and what is not.
Let me tell you a story about the boy who called wolf....
Speaking as someone who used to work for AMC, I can safely say that people seek out automated tellers [machines whatever] because the tellers are fucking idiots and people cannot make up their minds when they are in lines. At least people don't hog a machine until they've made up their line.
Same thing at ice cream store drive throughs [e.g. DQ]. People get to the order squak box and it takes them 5 minutes to decide what they want.
The real breakthrough will be automated customers:-)
I bet Nortel [et al.] employees are stressed because of the B.S. the CEOs pull. Getting huge bonuses even when the company is going down the crapper, etc...
How about instead of patching the problem [stress] go out and fix it [execute some CEOs or drop their salaries to say $50K/year].
DVD CSS, which is still legally considered a protection mechanism and is illegal to circumvent.
Speak for yourself. Unlike the US, Canada has yet to find a buyer.:-)
Also a huge misconception on "secure" and "protected". If I put a lock on my door and you knowingly break it down, my door was not secure but protected. That is you cannot reasonably claim you thought you were entitled to enter the property because you had to pick the lock to get in.
Similarly if you have to forge or circumvent a cd-key to play a game you cannot then [well actually you can if they print it on jewel cases, but that aside] claim that using fake keys or cracks as "mistaken fair use.".
As for DMCA that's just a by-product of being bought out by the MPAA. No reasonable country would make cryptanalysis and reverse engineering a "bad idea". Reasonable people would just stop trying to market the impossible [cloakware for example].
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to "share" is FAIR USE and is absolutely permitted under law!
What law is this?
to "share", BY DEFINITION, is NOT "stealing"!!
This is true, its copyright infringement in this case.
COPYRIGHT IS GREED, PERIOD
Well until mankind phases out money, what incentive is there to make music if any joe-blow can pirate it and not pay a dime?
Tom
Not to burst your bubble but CDs have gone down in prices in most up-to-date stores [in Canada anyways].
I totally agree that the levy on CDs is a waste [specially since I bet more people pirate software than audio with the CDs].
Stop pirating music assholes. D'uh.
Tom
Yes I am. I speak from authoritor as the author of several failing waste of space projects.
Oh, and I want to have your kids!
I love you and you can can my manham whenever you want. Big boy.
Tom
Outsourced just means people from outside one group work on it. There is a tight nit group of common developers for most OSS projects and people occasionally submit stuff. In a way they are outsourced developers sought out by the project maintainers.
Also the OSS == good logic doesn't fly with me. Most OSS projects are horrible and should have died long ago. For any good product [say XMMS] there are a half dozen related products that suck [those GTK+ media players], etc...
Tom
Um, Linux is "out sourced" as in its developed by a mildly interconnected bunch of people and its a decent product. [so to speak].
The problem with computer sweat shops in India is greed. Anyone and their brother with two weeks of IT training can become a "highly trained MCSE engineer" and then get paid 10% of what a US worker would get paid.
It isn't that India folk are stupider. It is that they pick the bottom of the barrel [and many jump in to fill in].
Likewise there are many stupid people who live right there in the US who have the same MCSE diploma. The trick the CEOs realized is why hire a dozen MCSEs in the US for 55K when you can hire some MCSE overseas for 5K.
pointy-haired boss. From Dilbert.
As much as this does sound like a troll put yourself in the place of a PHB...
Most original post, ever.
I'm totally awestruck.
The fact that DRM doesn't actually solve anything doesn't seem to phase these people?
Sure you can make *your* software DRM but free open source multimedia applications already exist. The cat is out of the bag [so to speak].
If there are any psych majors in the crowd could you please explain to me the appeal of seeking out the "latest 3 letter fad" regardless of any the predictable outcomes [e.g. DRM techniques always fail because the problem has no solution].
Tom
True enough.
Actually what you delineated are symptoms of greater problems. The drivers and such are normally half-hazardly written by code monkey dropouts from IT college [or in foreign countries by their own dime-a-dozen-I-know-how-to-use-a-compiler junkies]. They're probably not aware of privileges in Windows let alone why they are important to work with.
That being said you could always return the defective printer on grounds that it will not work with a *properly* setup windows install. Similar for DRM. If enough people stopped using WMP9 [et al.] on grounds that they couldn't use it via a non-root user I bet MS would change [or have you killed and replaced with a kinder more MS friendlier copy of yourself].
However, that will never happend. People seem to shrug off most MS transgressions as "this is the way it probably is supposed to be."
Shame shame shame.
Kinkos is a print shop. What are you going todo? Take over their boxes, setup all the drivers for the printers, network, then print?
Here's a tip. If you have to use a kinkos to print something [e.g. massive quantity] just burn a copy to a CD [or put it on a floppy disk] and bring it with you instead remotely logging into something to fetch it.
Tom
Ham the can man? Troll.
Not really. The problem with windows [like linux] are the users. If you don't login as administrator you cannot install drivers which means you shouldn't be able to exploit the box.
Windows to a large extent does have similar protections like unix/linux. The problem is nobody bothers to setup windows correctly.
Basically the correct analogy is as if all linux users logged in as root for all their daily work.
Tom
No, and yes.
The store owners can though. However, if they use the data they gather that is illegal [or at least in violation of most ISP TOSes].
The government however, cannot randomly install spyware [legally] on private property. However, I bet many places [businesses I mean] have been talked into their patriotic duty.
Tom
Can you ham the man? Troll.
Um not really. A library cannot just print a dozen copies of a book just because it bought one copy.
What this dude is proposing is a company buys the *rights* to the music, then lets the shareholders listen to it.
The problem is, the rights to a single song may range from 1000$ for a small band to 100,000$ or more.
So exactly how is this company going to afford to buy even say 40% of all music published each year?
Tom
If not you could always just use the TV-out ony many cards and record on another computer or VCR.
DRM is a joke propagated by stupid people that use media money on stupid research put forth by stupid companies [cloakware]. Instead they could just pay people to invent better tech, pay the artists [equally well] and shock! lower prices.
Tom
Well they shouldn't. They're not synonyms. [I just checked the dictionary].
Secure: Free from danger or attack: a secure fortress
Protected: To keep from being damaged, attacked, stolen, or injured; guard. See Synonyms at defend.
More so, secure is an adjective whereas protected is a verb. E.g. you protect something so it becomes secure.
My point is, by way of analogy, a lock on a door is not terribly secure but is a means to protecting property. If you purposely defeat the protection you cannot subsequently claim you reasonably thought you were entitled to the property.
To bring this back on topic. DVD CSS may not be secure, but if you purposefully defeat it [something that IMO shouldn't be illegal] to make a rip of a movie you don't own a copy of [something that should be illegal] you cannot claim you thought you had reasonable free access to it.
Same goes for password logins. E.g. I may use "root" as my password, you may know this. This is an example of insecurity. However, my system is still protected since you have to enter the password. You were not entitled to the password [or have reasonable belief to own it] which means you cannot claim that you didn't know you were tresspassing if you login via the password.
Tom
No but if you let people use your computer and they say install viruses or shit you should definitely be held liable [e.g. scrutinize who you let use your computer.]
Same could be argued for guns, cars, houses, beer, etc...
In Canada for instance, a bartender is legally required to cut off a person after a point. How are they to know you will walk out and die of alcohol poisoning while driving 90KM/h the wrong way on a highway?
If you let your friends use your computer and they run P2P on it tell your friends to not or get new friends. If you let them you should be equally as guilty.
Tom
Not the same. Its as if I lent you a book copying machine. The book itself cannot commit the crime [same way a computer can't] but being provided with a net connection can enable you todo this.
This is specially true for minors since afaik you can't really sue a minor in the US [can you?] so you would hold the parents liable [oh the horror! teach your kids to respect copyrights!]
And if you let complete strangers over to your house to use your ISP account [or give them the un/pw] then that's your own fault.
Tom
Not only that but I don't see what all the hoopla is over.
People were basically hiding behind their super-l33t codenames on P2P networks while they *BROKE THE LAW*. Now they're being caught. It's as if people put cameras in their stores to catch shoplifters... oh wait....
What is even worse about this [and you EFF freeloading left-wingers pay attention], by causing a scene over what should be a "no shit" situation when a real cause comes by people will not care e.g. "wasn't this on last week?"
For example, by causing a huge scene over PERFECTLY LEGAL law actions of the RIAA if they ever did break the law it will be harder for the average joe to know what is important and what is not.
Let me tell you a story about the boy who called wolf....
Tom
37337: Dudes, my warez server is up, some and get some pr0n!
Who would use their zipcode as a handle?
Yes that was a lame joke.
-1, retarded.
Speaking as someone who used to work for AMC, I can safely say that people seek out automated tellers [machines whatever] because the tellers are fucking idiots and people cannot make up their minds when they are in lines. At least people don't hog a machine until they've made up their line.
:-)
Same thing at ice cream store drive throughs [e.g. DQ]. People get to the order squak box and it takes them 5 minutes to decide what they want.
The real breakthrough will be automated customers
Tom
I bet Nortel [et al.] employees are stressed because of the B.S. the CEOs pull. Getting huge bonuses even when the company is going down the crapper, etc...
How about instead of patching the problem [stress] go out and fix it [execute some CEOs or drop their salaries to say $50K/year].
Tom
DVD CSS, which is still legally considered a protection mechanism and is illegal to circumvent.
:-)
Speak for yourself. Unlike the US, Canada has yet to find a buyer.
Also a huge misconception on "secure" and "protected". If I put a lock on my door and you knowingly break it down, my door was not secure but protected. That is you cannot reasonably claim you thought you were entitled to enter the property because you had to pick the lock to get in.
Similarly if you have to forge or circumvent a cd-key to play a game you cannot then [well actually you can if they print it on jewel cases, but that aside] claim that using fake keys or cracks as "mistaken fair use.".
As for DMCA that's just a by-product of being bought out by the MPAA. No reasonable country would make cryptanalysis and reverse engineering a "bad idea". Reasonable people would just stop trying to market the impossible [cloakware for example].
Tom