This I don't get. At least in this matter. What "liberty" do you have to pirate media via P2P? So what people don't like getting sued for pirating [in this case] music. Ah too fucking bad.
Really? I've never been called on my cell [other than by my provider] for survey/sales. Maybe [heck if I know] there are laws in Canada about calling cells...
Anyways, I know for sure I would make it my life mission to hunt a telemarketer that called my cell phone...
So what boo hoo. If I tell some central registry I don't want yahoos calling me, that's *my choice*. It is afterall *my* phone subscription.
If I wanted some company to call me and offer services I would call them and tell them so. Otherwise stick to TV/print ads like usual.
They don't [and never had] have a right to interrupt people forcefully. The central DNC lists only provide a remedy to the problem of recognition. That is if I sign up for a DNC that is publicly available and you call me I can then say you are liable.
The govt didn't. They provided a means to an ends [e.g. DNC lists].
If the people don't want to be called that's *their* choice. Not the telemarketers.
That being said it often is more fun to toy with them then to hang up right away. Waste their time [which costs money] and mine [which costs TV viewing time].
He didn't download music. He was offering it for download via the search engine. That, my friend, is piracy.
Though I vaguely remember all the facts. If he didn't actually host the files on his computer and didn't actively seek them out [e.g. good faith mistake] then a C&D would have been in order and not a lawsuit.
That being said I would have just told the RIAA to shove it. All my belongings are my parents so they can't really sue me [I'm not a minor, so sad, but useful!].
This shit is sick. Mr. College boy was hosting RIAA music on his site. If he had say 1000s of TXT files on say PC graphics coding I seriously doubt the RIAA would have even wasted the time.
This whiny bullshit think of the kids crap is why the EFF is a totally useless organization. They protect pirates and vandals [Hamidi] while real people ]skylarov] are in trouble [though the EFF helped there, 1 point for them].
If the little fuckfart didn't pirate music, whoa, low and hehold he wouldn't have been sued.
" a unit of power equal to 1 joule per second; the power dissipated by a current of 1 ampere flowing across a resistance of 1 ohm "
Where Watt is actually J/h. So if you followed your units right [this is assuming you passed grade school] it was V * I/h == J/h not V * I [in which case you would have been right]
Sorry to bust your little AC replying bubble but not only were you wrong but you are a stupid coward.
Not all tasks take themselves kindly to day-in day out work. I know when I code I write my best code in cycles where I can sit and code for 16 hours or so but for the next few days [to even a week or two] I can't muster more than 3 hours work a day.
Of course I don't really have a job. I'm talking about OSS work but the idea is the same.
Whereas working retail [for instance] can be physically tiring there isn't anything a good night rest can't cure for the next day. However, jobs that require significant mental work [e.g. math, physics, coding, etc.] do not always "recharge" after a good night sleep.
Though I do agree with the sentiment. A lot of the problems with work cycles [myself included] are behavioural and not physical problems. However, it isn't just as simple as forcing yourself to type/develop code.
My point is still valid though. MSFT [and definitely SCO] makes use of OSS for their own profit. But whenever something they produced [no matter how indirectly] is used outside their realm... whoa too far.
If MSFT actually makes any claims this SCO soap-opera may actually get more interesting...
Next on all my child processes....
"Debian how could you! My god you forked the source[*]! It was only 3 years old [**]!"
[change scene, in a diabolic castle lair somewhere in SCOland]
"Muahahahahaha. We gave them the incepid source to spoil the OSS movement." dum dum dum!
[change scene, somewhere in finland]
"WTF? Screw this, I'll get back to 2.6.0....".... Stay tuned to the on going love triangle between SCO, Linux and some finnish dude.
[*] linux source
[**] The age of linux when debian was created. Actually I made up this number. Shut up.
windows inet tools use BSD source, many use other open source libs [libpng, zlib, etc...] doesn't phase them. The fact that they rely on them for success...
But if someone copies a MSFT design element, omg, end of the world, OSS must die!
You don't own the rights to music you pirate. And even if you own the CD/tape/LP you don't have the right to distribute it.
Ok put it this way. You invite someone to your house. They have a right to be in the house and reasonably make use of the faculties. Do they now have the right to give it out to their neighbours?
Or say you toil over something that is supposed to pay your bills. But instead I decide to "share" it with 1000 of my closest friends. And then they "share" it. My bet is if you ever worked hard on something in your life that you were counting on you wouldn't appreciate it.
And before you get all snappy I too give out software for free and I do freelance software development. If my boss decided "oops I'll copy your project and not pay you for it" I would be plenty upset. However, if people copied my free projects I would be plenty pleased.
Yeah but so many people are not violating it for a good reason. It eating say fruits was illegal and people ate them anyways to get nutrients I would argue that indeed the law needs changing.
However, in question here is a business model not a law. If you don't like the way take-out pizza works do you instead hi-jack the delivery people?
If you don't like the flashy-nature of modern music [and who does?] then don't buy it. It isn't a law that all music has to be RIAA certified stamped with approval.
I mean what drug use rised in the US. Would the fact that so many people are addicted to drugs merit changing the laws? Or would the country simply have an epidemic on its hands?
The biggest problem is the polarity of the people. You can be against flashy teeny-bopper crap music-of-the-week bullshit and not pirate music. However, people seem to like the extremes.
1. Should piracy via P2P be illegal because many people do it.
2. Should piracy via P2P be a felony with 5 years prison sentence attached.
In my opinion I think the answers are
1. yes
and
2. no
While I also disagree with the DMCA and various other perversions that doesn't make P2P piracy "right". I mean on one hand people around here bitch about "oh music is all minted bs teeny-bopper crap" and on the other hand "I should have the right to download whatever I want off P2P, specifically stuff the RIAA owns".
I seriously doubt the RIAA is going to waste their time with people on P2P who are sharing linux ISOs or free-label music.
Of the 57M americans "sharing" on P2P I'd say easily 56.9M of them are sharing pirated music/videos/software of one sort of another.
Does that mean the government should imprison all P2P users? No. And nobody is saying that either. The government is simply looking to augment the punishment for PIRACY not free speech.
Oooh ooh, and lots of people do hard drugs, steal, murder and otherwise devalue society.
Should we allow all those to be legal too?
Also there is MUCH less harm in sharing music with your friend then 57M of your closest buddies on the net. It isn't more wrong to share via P2P just more noticeable.
As for taping off radio, you can't actually give out those tapes to people. That is still copyright infringement.
Yes, but the terms of the GPL specifically say you can distribute the code provided you give the source out, etc.... If you didn't, guess what, it's copyright infringement.
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What unwarranted searches?
Tom
support the EFF to defend our liberties
support the ACLU to defend our liberties
This I don't get. At least in this matter. What "liberty" do you have to pirate media via P2P? So what people don't like getting sued for pirating [in this case] music. Ah too fucking bad.
Tom
Yeah, it's skeeball!
Tom
sub Fahrenheit_to_Kelvin (Num $temp is rw) {
... ; :-)
Verbosity in coding, yeah that will go over well with people who are used to
int lbn, rax,
Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Perl, but not for its completeness as a language but for the ability to quickly write small utils to parse text.
But I suppose whatever floats peoples boats.
Tom
Really? I've never been called on my cell [other than by my provider] for survey/sales. Maybe [heck if I know] there are laws in Canada about calling cells...
Anyways, I know for sure I would make it my life mission to hunt a telemarketer that called my cell phone...
Tom
So what boo hoo. If I tell some central registry I don't want yahoos calling me, that's *my choice*. It is afterall *my* phone subscription.
If I wanted some company to call me and offer services I would call them and tell them so. Otherwise stick to TV/print ads like usual.
They don't [and never had] have a right to interrupt people forcefully. The central DNC lists only provide a remedy to the problem of recognition. That is if I sign up for a DNC that is publicly available and you call me I can then say you are liable.
Tom
The govt didn't. They provided a means to an ends [e.g. DNC lists].
If the people don't want to be called that's *their* choice. Not the telemarketers.
That being said it often is more fun to toy with them then to hang up right away. Waste their time [which costs money] and mine [which costs TV viewing time].
The winner!
Tom
Oooh ooh I know. Let's change IP assignment policy?
Even with IPv6 you will see companies that simply "need" 2^100 addresses for their company.
Tom
of the 57M [or whatever the number of the day is] P2P users, how many are actually allowing people to download significant quantities of files?
I bet if the RIAA managed to stop say the top 5% of P2P "senders" they could cripple a network.
I dunno about you, but when I used P2P back in the day I didn't wait 8 hours for some lame as 56K to send me a music file.
Until P2P truly becomes a balanced network [e.g. everyone with decent speed] it will remain fairly easy to knock out a P2P usefulness.
Tom
I have 2.4.21 installed right now, what branch is 2.6.0 based on?
:-)
I'll wait for 2.4.22
Tom
He didn't download music. He was offering it for download via the search engine. That, my friend, is piracy.
Though I vaguely remember all the facts. If he didn't actually host the files on his computer and didn't actively seek them out [e.g. good faith mistake] then a C&D would have been in order and not a lawsuit.
That being said I would have just told the RIAA to shove it. All my belongings are my parents so they can't really sue me [I'm not a minor, so sad, but useful!].
Tom
This shit is sick. Mr. College boy was hosting RIAA music on his site. If he had say 1000s of TXT files on say PC graphics coding I seriously doubt the RIAA would have even wasted the time.
This whiny bullshit think of the kids crap is why the EFF is a totally useless organization. They protect pirates and vandals [Hamidi] while real people ]skylarov] are in trouble [though the EFF helped there, 1 point for them].
If the little fuckfart didn't pirate music, whoa, low and hehold he wouldn't have been sued.
Tom
I meant to say W/h in my reply. My bad.
Still, I/h * V is not "joules" which is something the ignorant AC fuck should have picked up on.
Tom
Um actually you ignorant fuck, a watt is
" a unit of power equal to 1 joule per second; the power dissipated by a current of 1 ampere flowing across a resistance of 1 ohm "
Where Watt is actually J/h. So if you followed your units right [this is assuming you passed grade school] it was V * I/h == J/h not V * I [in which case you would have been right]
Sorry to bust your little AC replying bubble but not only were you wrong but you are a stupid coward.
Tom
The fact that some people do more with their computers than play video games.... Some people read /. :-)
Tom
Camera batteries are typically 7.2V 600mAh [cannon powershots anyways] and are not "huge" That's 7.2*.6 = 4.32W of power.
Whereas my gameboy runs on 2.4V 2100 mAh batteries, that's 5.04W of power [3.84W with the older 1600 mAh batteries which are common].
Definitely room for improvement in Camera batteries [seeing how they only last for about 50 pictures anyways!]
Tom
Problem is the field.
Not all tasks take themselves kindly to day-in day out work. I know when I code I write my best code in cycles where I can sit and code for 16 hours or so but for the next few days [to even a week or two] I can't muster more than 3 hours work a day.
Of course I don't really have a job. I'm talking about OSS work but the idea is the same.
Whereas working retail [for instance] can be physically tiring there isn't anything a good night rest can't cure for the next day. However, jobs that require significant mental work [e.g. math, physics, coding, etc.] do not always "recharge" after a good night sleep.
Though I do agree with the sentiment. A lot of the problems with work cycles [myself included] are behavioural and not physical problems. However, it isn't just as simple as forcing yourself to type/develop code.
Tom
Oops. Sorry.
.... Stay tuned to the on going love triangle between SCO, Linux and some finnish dude.
My point is still valid though. MSFT [and definitely SCO] makes use of OSS for their own profit. But whenever something they produced [no matter how indirectly] is used outside their realm... whoa too far.
If MSFT actually makes any claims this SCO soap-opera may actually get more interesting...
Next on all my child processes....
"Debian how could you! My god you forked the source[*]! It was only 3 years old [**]!"
[change scene, in a diabolic castle lair somewhere in SCOland]
"Muahahahahaha. We gave them the incepid source to spoil the OSS movement." dum dum dum!
[change scene, somewhere in finland]
"WTF? Screw this, I'll get back to 2.6.0...."
[*] linux source
[**] The age of linux when debian was created. Actually I made up this number. Shut up.
Their web browser for starters. Well I dunno if they use libpng but I am fairly certain they use zlib [which is PD not GPL].
Tom
windows inet tools use BSD source, many use other open source libs [libpng, zlib, etc...] doesn't phase them. The fact that they rely on them for success...
But if someone copies a MSFT design element, omg, end of the world, OSS must die!
Hmm hypocrites!
You don't own the rights to music you pirate. And even if you own the CD/tape/LP you don't have the right to distribute it.
Ok put it this way. You invite someone to your house. They have a right to be in the house and reasonably make use of the faculties. Do they now have the right to give it out to their neighbours?
Or say you toil over something that is supposed to pay your bills. But instead I decide to "share" it with 1000 of my closest friends. And then they "share" it. My bet is if you ever worked hard on something in your life that you were counting on you wouldn't appreciate it.
And before you get all snappy I too give out software for free and I do freelance software development. If my boss decided "oops I'll copy your project and not pay you for it" I would be plenty upset. However, if people copied my free projects I would be plenty pleased.
Tom
Yeah but so many people are not violating it for a good reason. It eating say fruits was illegal and people ate them anyways to get nutrients I would argue that indeed the law needs changing.
However, in question here is a business model not a law. If you don't like the way take-out pizza works do you instead hi-jack the delivery people?
If you don't like the flashy-nature of modern music [and who does?] then don't buy it. It isn't a law that all music has to be RIAA certified stamped with approval.
I mean what drug use rised in the US. Would the fact that so many people are addicted to drugs merit changing the laws? Or would the country simply have an epidemic on its hands?
The biggest problem is the polarity of the people. You can be against flashy teeny-bopper crap music-of-the-week bullshit and not pirate music. However, people seem to like the extremes.
Tom
Arrg. You are mixing two questions.
1. Should piracy via P2P be illegal because many people do it.
2. Should piracy via P2P be a felony with 5 years prison sentence attached.
In my opinion I think the answers are
1. yes
and
2. no
While I also disagree with the DMCA and various other perversions that doesn't make P2P piracy "right". I mean on one hand people around here bitch about "oh music is all minted bs teeny-bopper crap" and on the other hand "I should have the right to download whatever I want off P2P, specifically stuff the RIAA owns".
I seriously doubt the RIAA is going to waste their time with people on P2P who are sharing linux ISOs or free-label music.
Of the 57M americans "sharing" on P2P I'd say easily 56.9M of them are sharing pirated music/videos/software of one sort of another.
Does that mean the government should imprison all P2P users? No. And nobody is saying that either. The government is simply looking to augment the punishment for PIRACY not free speech.
To
Oooh ooh, and lots of people do hard drugs, steal, murder and otherwise devalue society.
Should we allow all those to be legal too?
Also there is MUCH less harm in sharing music with your friend then 57M of your closest buddies on the net. It isn't more wrong to share via P2P just more noticeable.
As for taping off radio, you can't actually give out those tapes to people. That is still copyright infringement.
Tom
Yes, but the terms of the GPL specifically say you can distribute the code provided you give the source out, etc.... If you didn't, guess what, it's copyright infringement.
I know of no such permission on any RIAA music.
Tom