Yeah, this reminds me of my high school, where in fact an ice cream vending machine did just as I alluded to. It was giving out free ice cream bars and what not. About 20 kids took stuff before the malfunction was caught. IIRC they were all suspended.
Just because the system is a mess doesn't change the intent. And I'm sure all of these "victims-customers" would keep silent if they were over charged instead of under charged too.
Why not? You gave them your CC and agreed to pay for 50%. How are you not liable for the charge?
1. See price 2. Agree to it 3. Place order 4. Mistakenly not get billed 5. Get billed in the end anyways
How does #4 negate #2?
This is no different than having a troublesome cashier charging the wrong prices. You're liable to pay the advertised price of whatever you're trying to buy.
For example, if some shite cashier decides to knock 10% off all the merchandise without permission, does that make it alright to purchase?
Answer: no. It's theft and you're buying stolen property.
In this case, Amazon advertised one price, and through their error billed the wrong amount. Doesn't mean you're off the hook. What if it were reversed and they charged too much? Would that then be ok because you "ok'ed" the transaction without looking?
I should like to point that many studios such as LGF film in Canada. Those "american" movies are often made with an international cast and not always in the USA. They're about as american as a baseball team, ain't that right Sanchez?
And as far as I can tell my friends from the UK just sign that stupid form saying they're not a member of the Nazi party (among other things). Maybe they should read the green forms closer from now on...
Because your spinning magnetic platter is a cheaper storage "solution" than edram, flash, whatever.
Unless you want to pay $25 per GB [again...], I'd wait until things improve.
And it isn't like they're not working on smaller/faster memory. Two years ago a 1GB flash was 99$ [in Canada], now they're ~40$ and you can get a 2GB flash for about the price of the 1GB. I imagine this year we'll see 4GB flash drives become more of a norm, and so on.
Most likely, ten years from now 80GB flash drives will be common place enough and not super expensive. But until then, spinning platers!
I don't get your AC trolling. I was actually complimenting the states and informing the OP that visitors DO have rights and that in my experience they're not being violated.
You may have a grudge against the USA [or just a plain coward troll] but in my experience, americans behave just fine towards Canadians within their states.
Stop posting as AC you "Internet Tough Guy" (tm), it must reinforces your complete lack of character. Grow up.
Follow up for the curious, See equal protection under the law which specifically grants the rights of the constituion to any person within the jurisdiction of the states.
So, no, the USA governement does not have the right to violate the rights of tourists.
See what I hate is that's not actually true. As a visitor to the USA I have the same rights as any citizen, more specifically, I am entitled to the protection of the constitution of america and it's amendments.
Note that voting [and some similar stuff] is a right only of citizens (as prescribed by law). So the law still applies to me, and bars me from voting because I'm not a citizen [etc].
So if I entered the USA and then they decided to chip me they would be violating my constitutional rights to, among other things, the 4th amendment.
The minute they toy with their own rules against foreigners they can expect retaliations around the world. Which is why, aside from the ban on habeas corpus, they don't really infringe the rights of legitimate visitors.
That being said, I've never been questioned by the police in the USA. The only time I've had to talk to any law related folk outside of the border was a border patrol in upper state new york (re: budget exercise).
You can already nominate pages for protect and semi-protect status (the latter preventing edits only from new accounts).
I agree with another poster that there seems to be little respect for authority (on subject matters) but you can always just insert your content and then nominate it for semi-protect status.
Most articles I check up on (around software/crypto) seem fairly stable and don't get vandalized much. Most vandalism I see are for icons of pop culture and other shit that not really encyclopedic anyways.
The problem with this article [from the summary] is that people are quick to jump to conclusions without really investigating anything. Sure Wikipedia is open, but it isn't like there aren't millions of eyes looking at the site.
the sky isn't falling and wikipedia seems to be working just fine.
They raised 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS in 2006. I'd say that should be enough to run a website. Even if it cost them $25K a month to host (which I would argue should be more than enough) that's only $300K a year. If $1.3M/year isn't enough for a non-profit website, chances are they're not spending their money right.
The quality of the majority of articles is FAIRLY HIGH, and yes, it's not finished yet but in time it will get more and more articles. I didn't RTFA because I don't want to give yet another doomsayer ad impressions. Shut the fuck up already.
Please stop posting senseless adladen rubbish on the front page. It does nothing but encourage bunk sensationalism. And that's the job of fark.com not slashdot.
What I hate though is that any media endeavour that doesn't make money is automatically the victim of piracy.
Maybe studios lose money because they're so f'ing out of touch with reality that people are entertaining themselves on their own terms.
Instead of paying $20 for a whole album where I only want select tunes, I'll use P2P. Then pops up itunes, which last I checked WAS MAKING A LOT OF MONEY. Maybe the studios should take a hint. Just because an artist slings together a couple good tracks doesn't mean you can cram with it 50 mins of filler and call it an album.
As for TV, most shows on TV are either shite or derivative shite [CSI, CSI NY, CSI MIAMI, CSI OKLAHOMA, CSI Alaska, etc...]. I get that they're trying to make the most amount of money without actually doing work, but sometimes that doesn't work.
I'm not trolling, I just refuse to accept that deaf kids can't learn to read.
There is more than one way to learn a language than just hearing it. I heard pictures and moving pictures work well too... I never said it was easy. Hell, it's not easy to learn to read/write even as a hearing person.
I guess cuz deaf kids are inferior they can't learn to read like us hearing enabled folk [that was sarcasm].
ASL still has a grammar right? Parts of speech (so to speak, er say, er... you know) and all that? Can you not explain in ASL what the letter a looks like? That it's vowel? that it's the first letter of the English alphabet? etc...?
It's like music, you'd think explaining something like a trell [sp?] or grace notes would leave the audience mystified, but it can be done. Even though English has no concept of a grace note, or staccato, or accented (forte), or lagato, or etc... Most people learn music by a combination of verbal explanation and hearing (along with actually playing it).
So you're telling me you can't sign the rules of English grammar, and then have them write a sentence or two?
How do you think 5 yr olds are taught to write and read?
I think you're assuming that only adult deaf people are taught to read. From what I understand they're taught written languages early on [after learning ASL or equiv].
As someone who speaks English and French, can express ideas in a half dozen programming languages, and can read music... I say so what.
What do you think a musical score is? Bunch of meaningless symbols, lines, dots and squiggles [to the untrained eye].
I know I'm talking out my ass, but I really have a hard time believing that deaf children cannot be taught to read a written language. Kids are very versatile and also have all the time in the world to study.
Sure, maybe an a deaf adult who never learned to read may have a very hard time at it, but a 4-5 year old should be able to [start] sort it out.
I know that ASL is it's own language. I'm just saying if you have a deaf kid, you'd immerse than in English [or whatever the standard is] written text as much as possible as early as possible.
I wouldn't expect them to SPEAK it easily, but reading shouldn't be that hard.
Nobody "speaks" C, yet i can express ideas in that language easily.
If they know sign, can't you sign to teach them to read? I can't imagine someone being very functional in society without any written language knowledge.
Not being deaf I can't really say, but seems to be TXT'ing would be the way to go. Get the providers to go with a special "hey I'm deaf, cut me a slack and don't charge me $0.10 per SMS" plan and go about your business.
Why not just mandate a "preview" where you can hear a prominent 30 second clip (e.g. melody or chorus or some such). Then say "if you decide to buy, you agree there is no return" in big bold letters. I don't know if itunes already does this (I think it does, so forgive the ignorance) but that should quash any problems.
In the grand scheme of things, if there are drm'ed files that are corrupt that's another issue. But if you just blindly buy a dozen tracks without knowing a thing about them you assume the risk. Not like you can "uncopy" or "unhear" them.
Just like movie theaters, I know at the AMC it was policy that if you left upto 30 mins in a movie you could get a full refund. After that you're screwed. I actually made use of that policy during the movie "Any Given Sunday" [or whatever it's called, that stupid football movie]. I walked out after 15 mins and got my money back.
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Yeah, this reminds me of my high school, where in fact an ice cream vending machine did just as I alluded to. It was giving out free ice cream bars and what not. About 20 kids took stuff before the malfunction was caught. IIRC they were all suspended.
Just because the system is a mess doesn't change the intent. And I'm sure all of these "victims-customers" would keep silent if they were over charged instead of under charged too.
Tom
Why not? You gave them your CC and agreed to pay for 50%. How are you not liable for the charge?
1. See price
2. Agree to it
3. Place order
4. Mistakenly not get billed
5. Get billed in the end anyways
How does #4 negate #2?
This is no different than having a troublesome cashier charging the wrong prices. You're liable to pay the advertised price of whatever you're trying to buy.
Tom
You have to pay what the advertised price is.
For example, if some shite cashier decides to knock 10% off all the merchandise without permission, does that make it alright to purchase?
Answer: no. It's theft and you're buying stolen property.
In this case, Amazon advertised one price, and through their error billed the wrong amount. Doesn't mean you're off the hook. What if it were reversed and they charged too much? Would that then be ok because you "ok'ed" the transaction without looking?
Tom
It's like the vending machine that gives out free food because of a glitch. Just because it's broken doesn't mean it's free.
Anyone who saw $0 as their total should have canceled the order and notified Amazon.
Amazon is totally within their rights to bill people for the orders because they took advantage of them.
Tom
I should like to point that many studios such as LGF film in Canada. Those "american" movies are often made with an international cast and not always in the USA. They're about as american as a baseball team, ain't that right Sanchez?
Tom
There is more than just EA, also Disney includes more than movies, there are the franchise rights, air line, resorts, parks, etc...
Tom
You mean the industry that rakes in more than the movie and music industries ... COMBINED?
You mean the one that rakes in more and more profits each year?
Yeah, piracy is just SUCH a problem, crippling that industry...
And Canada doesn't need any new policy since it's already a civil offence to violate the copyright of another.
Canadians don't sign shit to visit the states.
...
And as far as I can tell my friends from the UK just sign that stupid form saying they're not a member of the Nazi party (among other things). Maybe they should read the green forms closer from now on
Tom
Driving is not a right, existing is.
You can live without a car. You can't live without being.
If you want to get around semi-anonymously take the bus.
Tom
Because your spinning magnetic platter is a cheaper storage "solution" than edram, flash, whatever.
Unless you want to pay $25 per GB [again...], I'd wait until things improve.
And it isn't like they're not working on smaller/faster memory. Two years ago a 1GB flash was 99$ [in Canada], now they're ~40$ and you can get a 2GB flash for about the price of the 1GB. I imagine this year we'll see 4GB flash drives become more of a norm, and so on.
Most likely, ten years from now 80GB flash drives will be common place enough and not super expensive. But until then, spinning platers!
I don't get your AC trolling. I was actually complimenting the states and informing the OP that visitors DO have rights and that in my experience they're not being violated.
You may have a grudge against the USA [or just a plain coward troll] but in my experience, americans behave just fine towards Canadians within their states.
Stop posting as AC you "Internet Tough Guy" (tm), it must reinforces your complete lack of character. Grow up.
Follow up for the curious, See equal protection under the law which specifically grants the rights of the constituion to any person within the jurisdiction of the states.
So, no, the USA governement does not have the right to violate the rights of tourists.
Tom
See what I hate is that's not actually true. As a visitor to the USA I have the same rights as any citizen, more specifically, I am entitled to the protection of the constitution of america and it's amendments.
Note that voting [and some similar stuff] is a right only of citizens (as prescribed by law). So the law still applies to me, and bars me from voting because I'm not a citizen [etc].
So if I entered the USA and then they decided to chip me they would be violating my constitutional rights to, among other things, the 4th amendment.
The minute they toy with their own rules against foreigners they can expect retaliations around the world. Which is why, aside from the ban on habeas corpus, they don't really infringe the rights of legitimate visitors.
That being said, I've never been questioned by the police in the USA. The only time I've had to talk to any law related folk outside of the border was a border patrol in upper state new york (re: budget exercise).
Tom
You can already nominate pages for protect and semi-protect status (the latter preventing edits only from new accounts).
I agree with another poster that there seems to be little respect for authority (on subject matters) but you can always just insert your content and then nominate it for semi-protect status.
Most articles I check up on (around software/crypto) seem fairly stable and don't get vandalized much. Most vandalism I see are for icons of pop culture and other shit that not really encyclopedic anyways.
The problem with this article [from the summary] is that people are quick to jump to conclusions without really investigating anything. Sure Wikipedia is open, but it isn't like there aren't millions of eyes looking at the site.
Tom
the sky isn't falling and wikipedia seems to be working just fine.
They raised 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS in 2006. I'd say that should be enough to run a website. Even if it cost them $25K a month to host (which I would argue should be more than enough) that's only $300K a year. If $1.3M/year isn't enough for a non-profit website, chances are they're not spending their money right.
The quality of the majority of articles is FAIRLY HIGH, and yes, it's not finished yet but in time it will get more and more articles. I didn't RTFA because I don't want to give yet another doomsayer ad impressions. Shut the fuck up already.
Please stop posting senseless adladen rubbish on the front page. It does nothing but encourage bunk sensationalism. And that's the job of fark.com not slashdot.
Tom
What I hate though is that any media endeavour that doesn't make money is automatically the victim of piracy.
Maybe studios lose money because they're so f'ing out of touch with reality that people are entertaining themselves on their own terms.
Instead of paying $20 for a whole album where I only want select tunes, I'll use P2P. Then pops up itunes, which last I checked WAS MAKING A LOT OF MONEY. Maybe the studios should take a hint. Just because an artist slings together a couple good tracks doesn't mean you can cram with it 50 mins of filler and call it an album.
As for TV, most shows on TV are either shite or derivative shite [CSI, CSI NY, CSI MIAMI, CSI OKLAHOMA, CSI Alaska, etc...]. I get that they're trying to make the most amount of money without actually doing work, but sometimes that doesn't work.
Tom
I'm not trolling, I just refuse to accept that deaf kids can't learn to read.
There is more than one way to learn a language than just hearing it. I heard pictures and moving pictures work well too... I never said it was easy. Hell, it's not easy to learn to read/write even as a hearing person.
I guess cuz deaf kids are inferior they can't learn to read like us hearing enabled folk [that was sarcasm].
Tom
ASL still has a grammar right? Parts of speech (so to speak, er say, er... you know) and all that? Can you not explain in ASL what the letter a looks like? That it's vowel? that it's the first letter of the English alphabet? etc...?
It's like music, you'd think explaining something like a trell [sp?] or grace notes would leave the audience mystified, but it can be done. Even though English has no concept of a grace note, or staccato, or accented (forte), or lagato, or etc... Most people learn music by a combination of verbal explanation and hearing (along with actually playing it).
So you're telling me you can't sign the rules of English grammar, and then have them write a sentence or two?
How do you think 5 yr olds are taught to write and read?
I think you're assuming that only adult deaf people are taught to read. From what I understand they're taught written languages early on [after learning ASL or equiv].
Tom
As someone who speaks English and French, can express ideas in a half dozen programming languages, and can read music ... I say so what.
What do you think a musical score is? Bunch of meaningless symbols, lines, dots and squiggles [to the untrained eye].
I know I'm talking out my ass, but I really have a hard time believing that deaf children cannot be taught to read a written language. Kids are very versatile and also have all the time in the world to study.
Sure, maybe an a deaf adult who never learned to read may have a very hard time at it, but a 4-5 year old should be able to [start] sort it out.
Tom
I know that ASL is it's own language. I'm just saying if you have a deaf kid, you'd immerse than in English [or whatever the standard is] written text as much as possible as early as possible.
I wouldn't expect them to SPEAK it easily, but reading shouldn't be that hard.
Nobody "speaks" C, yet i can express ideas in that language easily.
Tom
Last I checked BBC sells it's feed to other broadcasters. They'd be stupid to just give it away.
:-(
That and most of the rest of the planet only gets BBC World [the news] not BBC 1-4.
Tom
Sorry what?
If they know sign, can't you sign to teach them to read? I can't imagine someone being very functional in society without any written language knowledge.
Tom
Not being deaf I can't really say, but seems to be TXT'ing would be the way to go. Get the providers to go with a special "hey I'm deaf, cut me a slack and don't charge me $0.10 per SMS" plan and go about your business.
Tom
There has to be some exception to this, otherwise you could abuse the food industry and transportation wicked bad.
"Thanks for the cab ride, i didn't like the service, I'm not paying!"
Just doesn't seem like it would jive.
Tom
Why not just mandate a "preview" where you can hear a prominent 30 second clip (e.g. melody or chorus or some such). Then say "if you decide to buy, you agree there is no return" in big bold letters. I don't know if itunes already does this (I think it does, so forgive the ignorance) but that should quash any problems.
In the grand scheme of things, if there are drm'ed files that are corrupt that's another issue. But if you just blindly buy a dozen tracks without knowing a thing about them you assume the risk. Not like you can "uncopy" or "unhear" them.
Just like movie theaters, I know at the AMC it was policy that if you left upto 30 mins in a movie you could get a full refund. After that you're screwed. I actually made use of that policy during the movie "Any Given Sunday" [or whatever it's called, that stupid football movie]. I walked out after 15 mins and got my money back.
Tom