Even *if* you had the latest and greatest AV software you could still get infected. You have to still be careful with your computer (and/or have backups and not run as root).
AV software also only updates when the license is valid [clamav is nice and all but a bit old]. Most free editions usually end up going commercial [anti-vir anyone?].
Point is, running AV is required but not sufficient to maintain a secure computing environment.
AFAIK the tenative name for dual-core Turions is TurionX2 (but don't quote me on that...). I think Turion vs. TurionX2 is pretty easy to distinguish. Just like AMD64 and AMDX2 are easy to tell apart.
The problem I have with their names other than too many references to numbers [2 Duo?] is that Core and Core 2 are not related products. Core is a Pentium M, Core 2 is more like a K8 than a PM.
Yeah, but that's like saying you need a solid metal door on your mudhut to protect from intruders.
The AV provides little "real" protection since
a) Most people fail to update it [my parents NEVER update the damn thing, whenever I visit I do it myself] b) Uninstall it once the trial period expires c) Will run just about anything they can get their hands on [whether on purpose or by exploit].
I can write a dozen programs that will kill the average windows box and not be detected by AV. AV is a good line of defense only IN ADDITION to proper training and use.
Just like a seat belt is a good defense IN ADDITION to safe driving practices...
Isn't that the essence of all security products for Windows? To either a) cover up flaws in the use cases of the OS or b) strike irrational fear into the minds of people?
Most people don't need AV software, and even when they use it, most people are still not secure because of HOW they use their computers. So this is really a case of pot calling the kettle black.
Suction is the creation of a negative pressure. Blowing the opposite. You can "cool" something, that is, to cause it to have the senstation of being cooler than its surroundings [or more technically to cause it to lose energy], but you can't "radiate cool".
It'd be like saying "that wind is really sucking me around."
AMD Nomenclature is a bit simpler if you include the full title.
If I told you I got a 3800+ in my box, what cpu is that? Unless you work around AMD gear a lot you wouldn't know it's a AMDx2, etc...
But yeah if I told you it's a AMDx2 2.4Ghz 4800+ processor you'd have a decent idea what it is. You can do this with intel too... e.g..
"Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13Ghz" gives a decent idea that it's a dual-core 2.13Ghz 2nd generation Core processor. Of course Dell and the like will say things like "Intel Core 2 Duo!" or "Core Duo" or whatever...
The devil is in the details. The trick is to check model numbers against the descriptions on the providers website. So if they say it's and Intel E6300, you should go to the Intel website and look up what E6300 means.
Yeah but by saying "you radiate cold" you fundamentally don't understand what's going on.
Energy cannot be destroyed but transformed or relocated. You don't "get cold air" and all of a sudden the heat disappears. You transform the heat into something (e.g. work, or in this case evaporation of water) and in turn "feel cooler".
ok first off, there can only be so many buses to the cache, chances are there are two, one for one half and one for the other half. They probably split the cache along ways that go into each others space [e.g., first use a way local to you then use the other].
They're going to "bump into each other" when both cores try to access cache that is attached to the same bus.
Also, while for a single process a shared cache sounds all nice and fancy, for many HPC tasks it's not such a hot idea. This alone will make scientific work a bit of a challenge on it.
Of course can't say much until I get one in my hands I guess...
I said "official". As in where are the optimization guides from Intel? Heck they barely cover PentiumM let alone Core and Core 2 processors.
"L2 cache dynamically shared" is known as a "LRU scheme" over a fast front side bus [hint: both cores talk to the same cache... they're going to bump into each other, even if the thing is dual ported].
You obviously didn't pay attention in grade 9 science.
For instance, when you sweat, you "cool down" because you're taking the excess energy and TRANSFORMING it into something else. You're not "radiating cool" onto yourself. You're losing heat. You can't transfer "cold" to something, you can only lose heat [energy] to something. The net effect is you cool down, but only because you're losing energy.
Without sweat, for example, even a nice breeze [of higher pressure, i.e. cooler air] won't really be cool because you're not losing as much energy as you would if you did sweat.
I do want to try out this "AMD killer" architecture but I'll wait for the dust to settle. Probably wait for Dec/Jan before getting a kit to use in my benchmarks.
That and the name sucks. At least when you say T6600 or whatever you can get a sense of what it is [provided you know the model numbering which also changes too much]. Core 2 Duo... how's that different from Core Duo?
Also it's getting harder and harder to find official optimization guides/pipeline descriptions out of Intel. Or maybe I'm not looking in the right places. What do they have to hide?
Test Drive 3 was a 320x200 full screen 3d game that ran on 25Mhz 80386s with ZERO hardware support.
If you can't emulate that level of game on a 33MHz dual-processor machine with some 3D hardware then we truly are lost.
Fun is fun. You don't need to look photo realistic to be fun. Specially since the resolution is so small anyways. I'd settle for gouraud shaded flat surfaces any day over crappy side scrollers or low detailed textured games that are just plain not fun.
Yes, but there are more defendants than just this guy. Why is HE newsworthy?
Let me clue you into something. Some random asshat on slashdot is likely not his judge. So who cares what they think.
Besides i don't see you liberal hippies clamouring over all the persecuted blacks and other minorities. Oh, yeah, Carlin was right, we only save the cute ones [paraphrasing].
That and by time you use the CD there are 200 packages updated... so you might as well bootstrap. I've never installd a stage3 and then had zero packages to update.
Yeah I was being critical. Because most games before this summer did suck. The racing sims are all crappy and side scrollers are old.
Mario64, MarioBros and Advancewars are among my favs but only because they're classics. Mario Kart is fun but really requires other players, Metriod is just plain boring.
I look forward to the Zelda game [again classic] but what I really want to see are remakes of ACTUAL 3D GAMES.
Christ, test drive 3 in all it's flat shaded VGA glory was more exciting than the latest PS2 downvert. And now that the DS has a GL like port for 3D graphics, a test drive 3 clone would be trivial and fun.
Ok I take that back. Most DS games sucks. I own about 10-12 games or so but most of them I only play on planes or when I'm otherwise forcefully confined. Given the choice I'd rather play NES or GB games instead.
The problem with the vast majority of DS games is they're ports of side scrollers. Frankly, keep that shit on the GBA where it belongs (not that I hate side scrollers, I just think it's a waste of a DS). Then you have the crappy driving sims... boo.
I like Mario64DSXPPROEDITION and I like a few others [mario kart is ok]. All the driving sims so far are crappy though and there are no classics.
Damn it, I want virtua fighter already [why that wasn't ported to the GBA I don't know, solid flat shaded polygons are drawable at 16MHz]....
Any jackass can consume 300W and deliver 3000MIPS. A smart engineer would do the same in 30W. That'd be innovation.
Your comment [while I can smell sarcasm I'll answer anyways] is like saying "If we just make bigger gas tanks our SUVs can drive further, what wonderful innovation!"
It'd be like strapping a bike to your car so you can say you're a cyclist [and fit and all that] but then drive everywhere.
If you install both Gentoo and Windows I can only fanthom your desire for Gentoo. You have to be either really stupid, or hardcore enough to need/want it to install Gentoo. Building a proper box takes hours of building and setting up. While it's not hard to do it still is laborious. Chances are if you NEED windows you don't need gentoo and could get by with a more easier [and less configurable] Linux like Fedora.
At least in my cases the box with Gentoo are the ones where I do development and need Gentoo. My Win32 laptop is where I run stupid things like Word...
Name me one tangible benefit the average person gets from dual booting other than "play videa games."
I mean I can run GCC or OpenOffice in a dozen OSes... doesn't mean it's smart to use them all [unless you're testing OO.o].
I think often people just like the status of "oh I use Linux, ain't I hippie?" But use Windows for their day to day because they can't figure out the coreutils or desktop.
Psst, AMD has their own chipsets for AMD processors... what do you think others use as reference? What this brings to the table is a GPU that AMD can pwn.
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Even *if* you had the latest and greatest AV software you could still get infected. You have to still be careful with your computer (and/or have backups and not run as root).
AV software also only updates when the license is valid [clamav is nice and all but a bit old]. Most free editions usually end up going commercial [anti-vir anyone?].
Point is, running AV is required but not sufficient to maintain a secure computing environment.
tom
AFAIK the tenative name for dual-core Turions is TurionX2 (but don't quote me on that...). I think Turion vs. TurionX2 is pretty easy to distinguish. Just like AMD64 and AMDX2 are easy to tell apart.
The problem I have with their names other than too many references to numbers [2 Duo?] is that Core and Core 2 are not related products. Core is a Pentium M, Core 2 is more like a K8 than a PM.
Tom
Yeah, but that's like saying you need a solid metal door on your mudhut to protect from intruders.
The AV provides little "real" protection since
a) Most people fail to update it [my parents NEVER update the damn thing, whenever I visit I do it myself]
b) Uninstall it once the trial period expires
c) Will run just about anything they can get their hands on [whether on purpose or by exploit].
I can write a dozen programs that will kill the average windows box and not be detected by AV. AV is a good line of defense only IN ADDITION to proper training and use.
Just like a seat belt is a good defense IN ADDITION to safe driving practices...
Tom
Isn't that the essence of all security products for Windows? To either a) cover up flaws in the use cases of the OS or b) strike irrational fear into the minds of people?
Most people don't need AV software, and even when they use it, most people are still not secure because of HOW they use their computers. So this is really a case of pot calling the kettle black.
Tom
Suction is the creation of a negative pressure. Blowing the opposite. You can "cool" something, that is, to cause it to have the senstation of being cooler than its surroundings [or more technically to cause it to lose energy], but you can't "radiate cool".
It'd be like saying "that wind is really sucking me around."
Tom
AMD Nomenclature is a bit simpler if you include the full title.
If I told you I got a 3800+ in my box, what cpu is that? Unless you work around AMD gear a lot you wouldn't know it's a AMDx2, etc...
But yeah if I told you it's a AMDx2 2.4Ghz 4800+ processor you'd have a decent idea what it is. You can do this with intel too... e.g..
"Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13Ghz" gives a decent idea that it's a dual-core 2.13Ghz 2nd generation Core processor. Of course Dell and the like will say things like "Intel Core 2 Duo!" or "Core Duo" or whatever...
The devil is in the details. The trick is to check model numbers against the descriptions on the providers website. So if they say it's and Intel E6300, you should go to the Intel website and look up what E6300 means.
Tom
Yeah but by saying "you radiate cold" you fundamentally don't understand what's going on.
Energy cannot be destroyed but transformed or relocated. You don't "get cold air" and all of a sudden the heat disappears. You transform the heat into something (e.g. work, or in this case evaporation of water) and in turn "feel cooler".
Tom
ok first off, there can only be so many buses to the cache, chances are there are two, one for one half and one for the other half. They probably split the cache along ways that go into each others space [e.g., first use a way local to you then use the other].
They're going to "bump into each other" when both cores try to access cache that is attached to the same bus.
Also, while for a single process a shared cache sounds all nice and fancy, for many HPC tasks it's not such a hot idea. This alone will make scientific work a bit of a challenge on it.
Of course can't say much until I get one in my hands I guess...
Tom
I said "official". As in where are the optimization guides from Intel? Heck they barely cover PentiumM let alone Core and Core 2 processors.
... they're going to bump into each other, even if the thing is dual ported].
"L2 cache dynamically shared" is known as a "LRU scheme" over a fast front side bus [hint: both cores talk to the same cache
Tom
You obviously didn't pay attention in grade 9 science.
For instance, when you sweat, you "cool down" because you're taking the excess energy and TRANSFORMING it into something else. You're not "radiating cool" onto yourself. You're losing heat. You can't transfer "cold" to something, you can only lose heat [energy] to something. The net effect is you cool down, but only because you're losing energy.
Without sweat, for example, even a nice breeze [of higher pressure, i.e. cooler air] won't really be cool because you're not losing as much energy as you would if you did sweat.
Tom
I do want to try out this "AMD killer" architecture but I'll wait for the dust to settle. Probably wait for Dec/Jan before getting a kit to use in my benchmarks.
... how's that different from Core Duo?
That and the name sucks. At least when you say T6600 or whatever you can get a sense of what it is [provided you know the model numbering which also changes too much]. Core 2 Duo
Also it's getting harder and harder to find official optimization guides/pipeline descriptions out of Intel. Or maybe I'm not looking in the right places. What do they have to hide?
Tom
Test Drive 3 was a 320x200 full screen 3d game that ran on 25Mhz 80386s with ZERO hardware support.
If you can't emulate that level of game on a 33MHz dual-processor machine with some 3D hardware then we truly are lost.
Fun is fun. You don't need to look photo realistic to be fun. Specially since the resolution is so small anyways. I'd settle for gouraud shaded flat surfaces any day over crappy side scrollers or low detailed textured games that are just plain not fun.
Tom
Yes, but there are more defendants than just this guy. Why is HE newsworthy?
Let me clue you into something. Some random asshat on slashdot is likely not his judge. So who cares what they think.
Besides i don't see you liberal hippies clamouring over all the persecuted blacks and other minorities. Oh, yeah, Carlin was right, we only save the cute ones [paraphrasing].
Tom
To the year 2006.
AMD64 support and a GCC newer than 2.95? Gee whiz, golly that's unheard of!
Tom
I know this is a followup but honestly why is it news?
Who gives two shits about this guy? And is he the only person in the USA charged with this during the entire week? I bet not.
Tom
Java sucks *and* it's closed source. I'll stick to C, Python and Perl thank you.
Tom
Hardcore Gentoo users bootstrap it :-)
... so you might as well bootstrap. I've never installd a stage3 and then had zero packages to update.
That and by time you use the CD there are 200 packages updated
Tom
Yeah I was being critical. Because most games before this summer did suck. The racing sims are all crappy and side scrollers are old.
Mario64, MarioBros and Advancewars are among my favs but only because they're classics. Mario Kart is fun but really requires other players, Metriod is just plain boring.
I look forward to the Zelda game [again classic] but what I really want to see are remakes of ACTUAL 3D GAMES.
Christ, test drive 3 in all it's flat shaded VGA glory was more exciting than the latest PS2 downvert. And now that the DS has a GL like port for 3D graphics, a test drive 3 clone would be trivial and fun.
Tom
Ok I take that back. Most DS games sucks. I own about 10-12 games or so but most of them I only play on planes or when I'm otherwise forcefully confined. Given the choice I'd rather play NES or GB games instead.
The problem with the vast majority of DS games is they're ports of side scrollers. Frankly, keep that shit on the GBA where it belongs (not that I hate side scrollers, I just think it's a waste of a DS). Then you have the crappy driving sims... boo.
I like Mario64DSXPPROEDITION and I like a few others [mario kart is ok]. All the driving sims so far are crappy though and there are no classics.
Damn it, I want virtua fighter already [why that wasn't ported to the GBA I don't know, solid flat shaded polygons are drawable at 16MHz]....
tom
Any jackass can consume 300W and deliver 3000MIPS. A smart engineer would do the same in 30W. That'd be innovation.
Your comment [while I can smell sarcasm I'll answer anyways] is like saying "If we just make bigger gas tanks our SUVs can drive further, what wonderful innovation!"
Tom
I guess buying in early sucks :-)
At least with the DS the games might suck but the homebrew scene is strong.
Tom
1. Make less suck.
:-)
Taking 300W, putting out enough heat to warm a house during a Siberian winter and catching on fire is not the first way to win over customers.
Tom
It'd be like strapping a bike to your car so you can say you're a cyclist [and fit and all that] but then drive everywhere.
If you install both Gentoo and Windows I can only fanthom your desire for Gentoo. You have to be either really stupid, or hardcore enough to need/want it to install Gentoo. Building a proper box takes hours of building and setting up. While it's not hard to do it still is laborious. Chances are if you NEED windows you don't need gentoo and could get by with a more easier [and less configurable] Linux like Fedora.
At least in my cases the box with Gentoo are the ones where I do development and need Gentoo. My Win32 laptop is where I run stupid things like Word...
Tom
Name me one tangible benefit the average person gets from dual booting other than "play videa games."
I mean I can run GCC or OpenOffice in a dozen OSes... doesn't mean it's smart to use them all [unless you're testing OO.o].
I think often people just like the status of "oh I use Linux, ain't I hippie?" But use Windows for their day to day because they can't figure out the coreutils or desktop.
Tom
Psst, AMD has their own chipsets for AMD processors... what do you think others use as reference? What this brings to the table is a GPU that AMD can pwn.
Tom