I never said training was the only cause of the failure. I said it's likely that he didn't train it. Because most high powered sales people are just cocaine snorting asshats that make peoples lives miserable.
Chances are he never even did a walk through of the presentation before the press was there.
Keyboard drivers are decidedly different from speech recognition software. For one, the competition on keyboard drivers is non-existent. Most keyboards are PNP compatible.
However, there IS competition in the voice recognition market. Microsoft bundling their stuff in Vista is an anti-trust violation just like bundling IE with Win98. Your government example is also moot. The IT people could install A DIFFERENT CERTIFIED PROGRAM on their Vista images. I seriously doubt the IT people will be the ones needing speech recognition software themselves.
In short, there is very little good motivation for limiting competition in this venue. There are many financial incentives in doing so, but fortunately they are not legal.
People who can't type [e.g. immobile, or totally lacking hands] may think otherwise.
The problem though, this is YET ANOTHER THING that should not be bundled with Windows. It should be sold as a third-party add-on. Even if MSFT produces it, it shouldn't be part of Windows unless a customer CHOOSES to buy and use it.
MSFT obviously has learned shit all from their anti-trust LOSS, and to them they can do whatever the hell they want.
Frankly, I look forward to the day where MSFT is just a footnote in a history text. It may not happen within the next decade but I see enough chips falling off the bastard.
Tom
Footnote: Microsoft was a monopolistic, backwards company that started the PC revolution. As a result of their shady business practices and poor quality control, Microsoft was solely responsible for the mass adoption of open source software. Ironically, the company that took choice away from the people, ensured that the people would still have choice. Today you can see the remains of Microsoft on display at the Smithsonian.
Generally, from what I've seen you need to train it a bit on the way you speak. There are thousands of distinct English accents and pronounciation variations.
For instance, the word "patent" is pronounced differently in the UK from North America. In the UK it is "pay-tent" and over here it's "pah-tent". That's just one example.
Point is [to paraphrase ballmer]:
Preperation (clap), preperation (clap), preperation (clap), preperation (clap), preperation (clap), [pitch of voice higher], preperation (clap), preperation (clap), [wheeze out of breath, pitch even higher], preperation (clap), preperation (clap), yeah!!!
Something tells me this sales guy will get neither punished nor lose their x-mas bonus. Some poor schmuck in engineering will take the fall for not making the demo "people ready".
Microsoft routinely puts out their excellence over everyone else including OSS. Hear them talk about Office w.r.t. OpenOffice. They talk down about it, mock it, dismiss it, etc...
It's called modesty. If MSFT had any [and some humility] they wouldn't get laughed at so hard for this. I mean look at Linux. Find a bug in the Kernel, fix it, post notices that its. You don't see anyone saying "Oh hahaha, Linus is at it again!" That's because you also don't see Linus on CNN mocking the rest of the world.
Microsoft deserves all the negative press and humilitation they get because they are shameless, deceitful, greedy monopolistic bastards.
Most likely the system was trained by an engineer and handed off to the ass in marketting. He was probably supposed to train it to his voice too but decided to hit the bar instead.
Voice recognition requires some training regardless of who provides it. We're not Star Trek here....Prep work and rehearsal people. If mr. sales guy had tried the demo before the presentation he would have noticed it wasn't working and avoided the embarassment.
This is why sales people are asshats. They're unprofessional non-technical people who sap back the high life while the rest of us have to put up with the mess they create through their daily barrage of verbal diarhea.
Joe-jobs are highly effectively sadly. I was the victim of one in usenet last year. Apparently I'm against the war in Iraq and love kiddy porn. Or at least the irrate emails from dumbass yankees I get claim so....
Someone decided that they had to "take me down a notch" and sent 1000s of usenet posts with my email address. Any technical savvy person can see easily it's a joe-job. Unfortunately, the net is full of really ignorant people who don't get that you can forge the from address really trivially.
That's just symptomatic of a company who spends more time and resources on HOW to capitalize on ideas and not enough on WHAT ideas to capitalize on.
In otherwords, they're out of steam.
If MSFTs idea of innovation is to make Windows "even bigger" then I think it's a good sign they're done for. As far as I'm concerned Vista shouldn't require anything more than WinXP or Win2K requires. These "added bonus value" features like the wasteful GUI, WGA and other random tools are further signs.
How the hell do you break the cord? I've swung a first-gen microsoft optimouse over my head in a circle and it only broke [the mouse not the cord] when it hit a concrete wall.
You have to be gaming "really hard" to break a corded mouse.
You'd be surprised. As processors become more interconnected the problems with going n-core per die are less troubling. I imagine by time we see 8-core going mainstream memory bandwidth will be much higher./me wants a quad-channel DDR2 on-die memory controller. That'd be expensive but a real hoot.
The problem isn't so much the technology [though there are many ways to improve it] but the lack of training. People just don't know what the hell they're doing with computers.
Those are all works of fiction though. I'm talking about a real concrete book about science.
[hehehe yeah I am joking].
Chances are if your book is 1680 pages you should divide and conquer that sucker.
I mean I could write a book called "All there is to know about computers" and cover software, hardware, design, engineering, algorithms, etc, in one huge 32,618 page book. That doesn't make it a good idea.
No, see had you practiced the art of "reading the entire sentence" you'd see I wrote "only in addition to..."
No amount of AV software will save your "lets run all random binaries we can find" parents. thinking that AV alone will make your environment safe is harmful.
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I never said training was the only cause of the failure. I said it's likely that he didn't train it. Because most high powered sales people are just cocaine snorting asshats that make peoples lives miserable.
Chances are he never even did a walk through of the presentation before the press was there.
Tom
I used the Vista Beta Speech Recognition?
[and I copy/pasted it. Yeah I know, I'm hardly literate. What you wanna fight about it?]
Tom
Keyboard drivers are decidedly different from speech recognition software. For one, the competition on keyboard drivers is non-existent. Most keyboards are PNP compatible.
However, there IS competition in the voice recognition market. Microsoft bundling their stuff in Vista is an anti-trust violation just like bundling IE with Win98. Your government example is also moot. The IT people could install A DIFFERENT CERTIFIED PROGRAM on their Vista images. I seriously doubt the IT people will be the ones needing speech recognition software themselves.
In short, there is very little good motivation for limiting competition in this venue. There are many financial incentives in doing so, but fortunately they are not legal.
Tom
People who can't type [e.g. immobile, or totally lacking hands] may think otherwise.
The problem though, this is YET ANOTHER THING that should not be bundled with Windows. It should be sold as a third-party add-on. Even if MSFT produces it, it shouldn't be part of Windows unless a customer CHOOSES to buy and use it.
MSFT obviously has learned shit all from their anti-trust LOSS, and to them they can do whatever the hell they want.
Frankly, I look forward to the day where MSFT is just a footnote in a history text. It may not happen within the next decade but I see enough chips falling off the bastard.
Tom
Footnote: Microsoft was a monopolistic, backwards company that started the PC revolution. As a result of their shady business practices and poor quality control, Microsoft was solely responsible for the mass adoption of open source software. Ironically, the company that took choice away from the people, ensured that the people would still have choice. Today you can see the remains of Microsoft on display at the Smithsonian.
Generally, from what I've seen you need to train it a bit on the way you speak. There are thousands of distinct English accents and pronounciation variations.
For instance, the word "patent" is pronounced differently in the UK from North America. In the UK it is "pay-tent" and over here it's "pah-tent". That's just one example.
Point is [to paraphrase ballmer]:
Preperation (clap), preperation (clap), preperation (clap), preperation (clap), preperation (clap), [pitch of voice higher], preperation (clap), preperation (clap), [wheeze out of breath, pitch even higher], preperation (clap), preperation (clap), yeah!!!
Something tells me this sales guy will get neither punished nor lose their x-mas bonus. Some poor schmuck in engineering will take the fall for not making the demo "people ready".
Tom
Microsoft routinely puts out their excellence over everyone else including OSS. Hear them talk about Office w.r.t. OpenOffice. They talk down about it, mock it, dismiss it, etc...
It's called modesty. If MSFT had any [and some humility] they wouldn't get laughed at so hard for this. I mean look at Linux. Find a bug in the Kernel, fix it, post notices that its. You don't see anyone saying "Oh hahaha, Linus is at it again!" That's because you also don't see Linus on CNN mocking the rest of the world.
Microsoft deserves all the negative press and humilitation they get because they are shameless, deceitful, greedy monopolistic bastards.
Tom
Most likely the system was trained by an engineer and handed off to the ass in marketting. He was probably supposed to train it to his voice too but decided to hit the bar instead.
Voice recognition requires some training regardless of who provides it. We're not Star Trek here....Prep work and rehearsal people. If mr. sales guy had tried the demo before the presentation he would have noticed it wasn't working and avoided the embarassment.
This is why sales people are asshats. They're unprofessional non-technical people who sap back the high life while the rest of us have to put up with the mess they create through their daily barrage of verbal diarhea.
Tom
And totally the quality I'd come to expect from Microsoft.
you say:
Dear Mom,
Vista is gonna suck. Enjoy this powerbook instead.
Sincerely,
Little Girl
It hears:
Dear Aunt,
The explosives are deleted in the moon star night.
Buy more Vista.
Bite me,
Bitten World
Tom
The article mentions the combo of trusted computing and Vista.
You don't need TPM to secure a Linux/BSD/Unix box. You just need to be relatively up to date, properly patched, proper services, and deployment.
Tom
Joe-jobs are highly effectively sadly. I was the victim of one in usenet last year. Apparently I'm against the war in Iraq and love kiddy porn. Or at least the irrate emails from dumbass yankees I get claim so....
Someone decided that they had to "take me down a notch" and sent 1000s of usenet posts with my email address. Any technical savvy person can see easily it's a joe-job. Unfortunately, the net is full of really ignorant people who don't get that you can forge the from address really trivially.
Chances are this is also a joe-job.
Tom
That's just symptomatic of a company who spends more time and resources on HOW to capitalize on ideas and not enough on WHAT ideas to capitalize on.
In otherwords, they're out of steam.
If MSFTs idea of innovation is to make Windows "even bigger" then I think it's a good sign they're done for. As far as I'm concerned Vista shouldn't require anything more than WinXP or Win2K requires. These "added bonus value" features like the wasteful GUI, WGA and other random tools are further signs.
Tom
Step 1. Don't run windows ...
Step 2.
Step N. In short know what you are doing.
I'm sorry, but they bulk order their computers from Dell and run windows in the field. I can't take their needs seriously until they grow the fuck up.
Tom
Stop using the mouse with both hands.
How the hell do you break the cord? I've swung a first-gen microsoft optimouse over my head in a circle and it only broke [the mouse not the cord] when it hit a concrete wall.
You have to be gaming "really hard" to break a corded mouse.
Tom
You'd be surprised. As processors become more interconnected the problems with going n-core per die are less troubling. I imagine by time we see 8-core going mainstream memory bandwidth will be much higher. /me wants a quad-channel DDR2 on-die memory controller. That'd be expensive but a real hoot.
Tom
If you're basing that on some logical sense of "need" I may remind you the average consumer doesn't need a quarter the computer they already have.
Tom
So long as phishing works so will viruses. People are stupid and they will welcome pretty much anything into their private space.
Ooh, free poker game, ooh free screen saver, oooh free animation, ooh....
The problem isn't so much the technology [though there are many ways to improve it] but the lack of training. People just don't know what the hell they're doing with computers.
Give them a friggin C64 and be done with...
Tom
Well of course I don't know Jack. We haven't met yet.
Geez, you people think I'm psychic or something?
Tom
Step 1. Overcome Intel Monopoly
Step 2. ???
Step 3. AMD Laptop.
Your best bet is to try pinging Acer, Asus and Fujitsu. Failing that HP.
Tom
That means farking is a DMCA violation. Hmm...
Tom
Those are all works of fiction though. I'm talking about a real concrete book about science.
[hehehe yeah I am joking].
Chances are if your book is 1680 pages you should divide and conquer that sucker.
I mean I could write a book called "All there is to know about computers" and cover software, hardware, design, engineering, algorithms, etc, in one huge 32,618 page book. That doesn't make it a good idea.
Tom
What's with google and having pizza in all their mapping services... ... I say this while eating a slice of pizza at IBM ... :-)
tom
How many people know the "free party poker" downloads are spyware? Are they caught by commonly installed AV programs?
Tom
It's useless in that it fails to achieve the stated objectives so long as people still run any random binary.
AV companies should promote the education of their users as a "added value bonus gourmet quality home style" benefit to the users.
Tom
No, see had you practiced the art of "reading the entire sentence" you'd see I wrote "only in addition to ..."
No amount of AV software will save your "lets run all random binaries we can find" parents. thinking that AV alone will make your environment safe is harmful.
Tom
let me guess... 1500 pages of source code...Unless it's a CRC text I question the usefulness of a book over 1000 pages.
Tom