I question how much Sun or HP invest in GCC technology.
Companies like AMD and Intel invest time/people into GCC and oh my gosh, it works well on x86 [and arm for that matter].
I don't think you can just expect all OSS developers to have access to exotic platforms [and yes I call it that, tell me which retail store carries Sparc parts...].
I'd bet if 10 years ago Sun got behind GCC it's support for Sparc would be much better.
I don't get it. You're running an older kernel for which exploits and bugs are known?
Why is that a good thing again?
I like Linux just as much as the next guy but I keep up with Kernel development and upgrade when there are bugfixes related to my setup (even if I don't experience the bugs knowingly).
Well the virus was probably written by a team of non-commercial developers. So MSFT is right. Only dangerous things come from those non-money grubbing hippies.
The only problem I have with these stories is that they assume the competition is asleep at the wheel.
Intel may be catching up and beating AMD in certain areas today but to then extrapolate and say Conroe will beat AMD assumes that AMD is not going to release any new product.
I currently have 4GB of memory. Along with the 1GB of PCI space that's 5GB of addressable memory. I also plan to add another 2GB to the system.
This is in a 2P workstation in my house [and yes I use it fairly well]. I run windows in a QEMU environment [that's 1GB of memory] and do a lot of parallel builds (e.g. make -j5) which can suck back the memory.
On top of that there are architectural benefits to 64-bit mode. You basically do away with segments [it's all done through paging]. You get 8 more GPRs and XMM registers which despite the lame troll-fud are actually useful.
I run Gentoo, so all my software is compiled with the latest C compiler on my box. I'm not running 64-bit Linux and 32-bit userland tools like you might in the Windows world.
I'm not exactly a millionaire here, even though I got the CPUs for free I still had to buy a mobo/ram/case/etc. If I can put something like this together I imagine a lot others could do something with 270s in their own systems.
This is bullshit. AMD still sells Sempron processors of all sorts. While it's true it seems focus is on dual-core that doesn't mean cost will always go up. As transistors get smaller the cost of doing dual-core goes down.
Generally the power of dual-core parts is actually not higher than single core parts. A 65W chip is a 65W chip.
I'm a developer (and author as well)... dream box? ok get two Opteron 285s, a Tyan 2877 motherboard, 6GB of ram,...
oh you mean not so expensive... hehehehe
Try this out: AMDX2 4200+ (dual core 2.2Ghz), ASUS or Gigabyte NF4 (nvidia chipset) motherboard, 1 or 2 GB of PC3200 DDR memory. CPU is about $400, motherboard is about $100 and the 1GB of ram (as 2x512MB) will cost you about $110. A 2.2Ghz dual-core is way more than enough for development and like. It's what I used for over a year while working on my OSS projects. Then put a good Linux distro on it (e.g. Gentoo) and make sure the cpufreq kernel module is on. When the box is idle the cpu will hit 1Ghz and be very cool. Even under load it's quite stable.
In my case my two x85 (they're 885 Opterons in a 2-way config) can independently ramp up and down on the clock to meet load. There is a nice difference in room temperature though between full load (e.g. all four cores busy) and full idle.:-)
Worse than FM? How's that? FM has a narrower band...
I dunno, I listen to it all the time and it's ok. Big fan of BPM ch81 and through my home stereo (using the line-out port) it sounds just fine. Granted yes it isn't perfect but it isn't gibb'ing all the time.
Specially given that 64Kbit AAC was designed to be equivalent to 44Khz 16bit mono PCM, 96Kbit for joint stereo ain't bad.
You're probably too young to remember but the original PCs were not equipped with even 640K of memory. At that time applications were very small (and efficient I might add). There is a reason why compilers of the 16-bit era supported a "Tiny" and "Small" model (64K and 128K of memory respectively) and that many applications used them.
I seriously doubt he ever said the 640K comment but if he did I even more seriously doubt he meant that for the rest of eternity 640K would be enough. At the time when ram was bought in 8 or 16K DIPs people were conservative with memory.
What you fail to realize is until the Win95 days people were still running and writing 16-bit DOS applications. So there is a fairly large period of time of people making "do" with 640K of memory.
Why is that comment funny? Not only did he not say it, it was actually true.
At the time most computers didn't even have 640K of ram let alone the multiple GBs we have now. It was fairly common to get 256K upwards to 512K as a "default install" or memory when PCs were first coming out. Given the average application then took less than 64K and was running in a SINGLE USER ENVIRONMENT his statement was fairly accurate.
So mods, please stop moding "640K" comments as funny or insightful or whatever. They're just from lame "me too" posters who haven't had an original thought in years.
XM pays to broadcast those songs. They can't sue the customers if they then rebroadcast it on their own. I thought "home recordings and private showings" were already accepted in Amerika?
I pirate music. I also pay a levy on recording media. So screw you SOCANN:-)
The quality is bad? It's basically 96Kbit/sec AAC [at one point they even mentioned that on their website FAQ].
I have XM up here in Canada and other than trying to find a good place for the home antenna it sounds decent. Maybe you are listening to XM through the FM transmitter? Which yeah does suck. Try listening to it directly through a lineout port.
Are you complaining because ID games are retarded? hehehehe...
If games had to have a "story" and complicated environments it may mean that they couldn't pump out 80 games a quarter.../me trying to find that damn red skull key.
I don't get the multimedia claim though... I can watch videos, encode them, etc just fine in the Linux world. The only thing that doesn't work smoothly is some of the wmv codecs... again a MSFT proprietary issue. mp4 codecs work just fine for me.
If the biggest problem people have with Linux is that Microsoft doesn't document their tools, I'd say Linux is doing just fine.
"Until linux moves from the "hardcore, holier-than-thou, uber-techie" paradigm, it will always be behind Windows."
what does that even mean in this context? You are failing the OSS scene for MSFT using a closed proprietary format? I'm sure if MSFT openly documented the file format you'd see proper support in OpenOffice within six months.
Comments like this really piss me off. And for starters, stop using Office, transition to OpenOffice or other formats based on open documentation. Seriously, you're all like the patient who complains when they hit themselves in the head it hurts. Stop hitting yourself in the damn head.
Besides, real pros use TeX for documentation and gnuplot for graphing:-)
I think the complaint many OSS advocates have is in many respects OSS is plain better but still companies refuse to listen to reason and pre-stall Windows.
If all the "average user" does is browse the web and check email there is no reason why a Linux based distro with Gnome couldn't fulfill that.
I don't get this. I write book for profit, you copy it and derive use out of it and somehow that's ok? I never called it theft nor piracy. I'm just saying it's wrong. In the absence of some other term we'll just call it IP theft.
It seems the people who bitch about this whole "IP" thingy are the people who do the least amount of OSS work. I've donated my share of hours [and still am] to the OSS scene. However, software I write to pay the rent is something I depend on. If people just copy it how am I supposed to make ends meet?
The logically consistent argument is not that IP laws shouldn't exist. It's that they shouldn't go too far. Should you be able to copyright your work? Yes. Should you be able to stop be from having fair use of them? No.
Only complete fucking retards think copyrights and patents should be abolished in their entirety.
Universities are already largely irrelevant. It's what you put into it. If your only goal is to survive four years then make it rich you'll get the least from a formal education.
Besides, sharing text books is how you make friends.
I remember in my software engineering class we had to pick up a 150$ text book. [yeah I know, big spender]. So my project team just paid our shares and we brough the book with us to the classes and study groups.... works wonders.
"Sidetone" is called an echo from the fact the copper wire in your phone impedes the flow of electrons and you get feedback. It isn't desirable or intentional.:-)
Just FYI.
Cells don't have it because they're all digital (so is your landline after you hit the switch). Though on longer hops (like calling from europe) from a cell phone you can still hear some humming and other oddities (stupid 50Hz!!!!)
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If all you do with your PC is game go get yourself a console and be done with.
:-)
PC games are anti-social and lame. I'd rather play with friends at a TV then over the net sheltered in my office.
If you do development at all you'd appreciate the AMD64 benefits plus it's a nice boost to be with the rest of us
Tom
I question how much Sun or HP invest in GCC technology.
Companies like AMD and Intel invest time/people into GCC and oh my gosh, it works well on x86 [and arm for that matter].
I don't think you can just expect all OSS developers to have access to exotic platforms [and yes I call it that, tell me which retail store carries Sparc parts...].
I'd bet if 10 years ago Sun got behind GCC it's support for Sparc would be much better.
Tom
I don't get it. You're running an older kernel for which exploits and bugs are known?
Why is that a good thing again?
I like Linux just as much as the next guy but I keep up with Kernel development and upgrade when there are bugfixes related to my setup (even if I don't experience the bugs knowingly).
Besides get with the 2.6 series man...
Tom
Holy bad timing batman...
Well the virus was probably written by a team of non-commercial developers. So MSFT is right. Only dangerous things come from those non-money grubbing hippies.
Tom
The only problem I have with these stories is that they assume the competition is asleep at the wheel.
Intel may be catching up and beating AMD in certain areas today but to then extrapolate and say Conroe will beat AMD assumes that AMD is not going to release any new product.
Tom
I currently have 4GB of memory. Along with the 1GB of PCI space that's 5GB of addressable memory. I also plan to add another 2GB to the system.
This is in a 2P workstation in my house [and yes I use it fairly well]. I run windows in a QEMU environment [that's 1GB of memory] and do a lot of parallel builds (e.g. make -j5) which can suck back the memory.
On top of that there are architectural benefits to 64-bit mode. You basically do away with segments [it's all done through paging]. You get 8 more GPRs and XMM registers which despite the lame troll-fud are actually useful.
I run Gentoo, so all my software is compiled with the latest C compiler on my box. I'm not running 64-bit Linux and 32-bit userland tools like you might in the Windows world.
I'm not exactly a millionaire here, even though I got the CPUs for free I still had to buy a mobo/ram/case/etc. If I can put something like this together I imagine a lot others could do something with 270s in their own systems.
Tom
This is bullshit. AMD still sells Sempron processors of all sorts. While it's true it seems focus is on dual-core that doesn't mean cost will always go up. As transistors get smaller the cost of doing dual-core goes down.
Generally the power of dual-core parts is actually not higher than single core parts. A 65W chip is a 65W chip.
Tom
ALL of my software is 64-bit. (Except openoffice)
:-)
... and yes my box has more than 4GB of addressable memory...
Did I mention I run Gentoo?
So yes, all my software can use the extra registers and is in a proper flat memory model.
Tom
I'm a developer (and author as well) ... dream box? ok get two Opteron 285s, a Tyan 2877 motherboard, 6GB of ram, ...
:-)
oh you mean not so expensive... hehehehe
Try this out: AMDX2 4200+ (dual core 2.2Ghz), ASUS or Gigabyte NF4 (nvidia chipset) motherboard, 1 or 2 GB of PC3200 DDR memory. CPU is about $400, motherboard is about $100 and the 1GB of ram (as 2x512MB) will cost you about $110. A 2.2Ghz dual-core is way more than enough for development and like. It's what I used for over a year while working on my OSS projects. Then put a good Linux distro on it (e.g. Gentoo) and make sure the cpufreq kernel module is on. When the box is idle the cpu will hit 1Ghz and be very cool. Even under load it's quite stable.
In my case my two x85 (they're 885 Opterons in a 2-way config) can independently ramp up and down on the clock to meet load. There is a nice difference in room temperature though between full load (e.g. all four cores busy) and full idle.
Tom
Get a K8 and a 775 with roughly the same MIPS. The K8 will win in terms of power hands down.
Why not stop using your K6-III and get up to date?
Tom
First off, no you can't unless you have a PCI-X connection to a storage array. PCI is 128Mbyte/sec at most.
... you're fucked up.
Second, if you think having 10 disks per day you have to backup is a "better idea"
Third, if you really wanted to you could logically stripe your backup.
Tom
Worse than FM? How's that? FM has a narrower band ...
I dunno, I listen to it all the time and it's ok. Big fan of BPM ch81 and through my home stereo (using the line-out port) it sounds just fine. Granted yes it isn't perfect but it isn't gibb'ing all the time.
Specially given that 64Kbit AAC was designed to be equivalent to 44Khz 16bit mono PCM, 96Kbit for joint stereo ain't bad.
Tom
[... on a crusade ...]
You're probably too young to remember but the original PCs were not equipped with even 640K of memory. At that time applications were very small (and efficient I might add). There is a reason why compilers of the 16-bit era supported a "Tiny" and "Small" model (64K and 128K of memory respectively) and that many applications used them.
I seriously doubt he ever said the 640K comment but if he did I even more seriously doubt he meant that for the rest of eternity 640K would be enough. At the time when ram was bought in 8 or 16K DIPs people were conservative with memory.
What you fail to realize is until the Win95 days people were still running and writing 16-bit DOS applications. So there is a fairly large period of time of people making "do" with 640K of memory.
Tom
Why is that comment funny? Not only did he not say it, it was actually true.
At the time most computers didn't even have 640K of ram let alone the multiple GBs we have now. It was fairly common to get 256K upwards to 512K as a "default install" or memory when PCs were first coming out. Given the average application then took less than 64K and was running in a SINGLE USER ENVIRONMENT his statement was fairly accurate.
So mods, please stop moding "640K" comments as funny or insightful or whatever. They're just from lame "me too" posters who haven't had an original thought in years.
Tom
XM pays to broadcast those songs. They can't sue the customers if they then rebroadcast it on their own. I thought "home recordings and private showings" were already accepted in Amerika?
:-)
I pirate music. I also pay a levy on recording media. So screw you SOCANN
Tom
The quality is bad? It's basically 96Kbit/sec AAC [at one point they even mentioned that on their website FAQ].
I have XM up here in Canada and other than trying to find a good place for the home antenna it sounds decent. Maybe you are listening to XM through the FM transmitter? Which yeah does suck. Try listening to it directly through a lineout port.
Tom
Are you complaining because ID games are retarded? hehehehe...
/me trying to find that damn red skull key.
If games had to have a "story" and complicated environments it may mean that they couldn't pump out 80 games a quarter...
Tom
I don't get the multimedia claim though... I can watch videos, encode them, etc just fine in the Linux world. The only thing that doesn't work smoothly is some of the wmv codecs... again a MSFT proprietary issue. mp4 codecs work just fine for me.
If the biggest problem people have with Linux is that Microsoft doesn't document their tools, I'd say Linux is doing just fine.
Tom
"Until linux moves from the "hardcore, holier-than-thou, uber-techie" paradigm, it will always be behind Windows."
:-)
what does that even mean in this context? You are failing the OSS scene for MSFT using a closed proprietary format? I'm sure if MSFT openly documented the file format you'd see proper support in OpenOffice within six months.
Comments like this really piss me off. And for starters, stop using Office, transition to OpenOffice or other formats based on open documentation. Seriously, you're all like the patient who complains when they hit themselves in the head it hurts. Stop hitting yourself in the damn head.
Besides, real pros use TeX for documentation and gnuplot for graphing
Tom
Have to correct you.
Linux distros are quite capable of handling OpenGL displays, audio, joysticks, mice and keyboards.
What you meant to write is
"Nobody writes portable video games that work on the platform of the USERs choosing."
Tom
I think the complaint many OSS advocates have is in many respects OSS is plain better but still companies refuse to listen to reason and pre-stall Windows.
If all the "average user" does is browse the web and check email there is no reason why a Linux based distro with Gnome couldn't fulfill that.
Tom
"2. not synchronous; not occurring or existing at the same time or having the same period or phase"
If you send dozens of 1KB blocks and then read [say an ACK] you're not working in the same period [e.g. 10x the frequency].
So shut your gob.
Tom
I don't get this. I write book for profit, you copy it and derive use out of it and somehow that's ok? I never called it theft nor piracy. I'm just saying it's wrong. In the absence of some other term we'll just call it IP theft.
It seems the people who bitch about this whole "IP" thingy are the people who do the least amount of OSS work. I've donated my share of hours [and still am] to the OSS scene. However, software I write to pay the rent is something I depend on. If people just copy it how am I supposed to make ends meet?
The logically consistent argument is not that IP laws shouldn't exist. It's that they shouldn't go too far. Should you be able to copyright your work? Yes. Should you be able to stop be from having fair use of them? No.
Only complete fucking retards think copyrights and patents should be abolished in their entirety.
Tom
Universities are already largely irrelevant. It's what you put into it. If your only goal is to survive four years then make it rich you'll get the least from a formal education.
Besides, sharing text books is how you make friends.
I remember in my software engineering class we had to pick up a 150$ text book. [yeah I know, big spender]. So my project team just paid our shares and we brough the book with us to the classes and study groups.... works wonders.
Tom
"Sidetone" is called an echo from the fact the copper wire in your phone impedes the flow of electrons and you get feedback. It isn't desirable or intentional. :-)
Just FYI.
Cells don't have it because they're all digital (so is your landline after you hit the switch). Though on longer hops (like calling from europe) from a cell phone you can still hear some humming and other oddities (stupid 50Hz!!!!)
Tom