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The Future of Digital Books
Tabercil writes "The New York Times has an article about the mass scanning of books, which argues that actions such as Google's Book Search project are an inevitable outgrowth of the internet." From the article: "Scanning technology has been around for decades, but digitized books didn't make much sense until recently, when search engines like Google, Yahoo, Ask and MSN came along. When millions of books have been scanned and their texts are made available in a single database, search technology will enable us to grab and read any book ever written. Ideally, in such a complete library we should also be able to read any article ever written in any newspaper, magazine or journal. And why stop there?"
What I would like to see is academic books in an electronic format (on a disc distributed with the hard-copy perhaps) so that I could search the text for a phrase or quote that I did not get the page number for. This would make referencing much easier. Of course having a lot of newspapers and books online from other countries also aids academic researching.
I wank in the shower.
Will all these books and articles require we login to view them first? I think having every book, article, movie, song, etc available for use anytime is a great idea and important for society but I don't want to have to login and leave a paper trail of everything I'm looking at. Searching should be powerful, access private, and making payments for work still under copyright easy and affordable.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
What I always found interesting about the Star Trek universe was the concept of a 'replicator'. You press a button and speak your order (e.g. Tea, Earl Grey, Hot) and get your order instantiated out of seemingly nothing. What would the consequences of such a device be if we could replicate anything at no cost? Not just information, but physical objects like cars and houses too.
Would we do away with all human suffering? Hunger wiped off the map? Who would endeavor to explore space or do research into new materials and computation? Would money be useless?
We have today costless information. As time rolls on, we'll have more of it. Those who currently own that information are slowly but surely losing their grip on it as it is becoming easier to replicate it with no cost.
The course of action thus far has been to build more protections into the information itself that prevents it from being copied easily. Will the same thing happen with actual replicators when they are invented?
If anyone has the right plan for online digital book distribution, it is the folks at the IOCDP. Their plan is absolutely brilliant, involving many facets of academia and the internet backbone to make sure that digital content in the form of literary works is spread as efficiently and reliably as possible. If only ICANN could work out their problems with standardization as well as the IOCDP Digital Library Council has been able to, the Internet would be a better place for us and all of its netizens.
IANAL, but does anyone else think that some of these other new plans for e-books seem just a LITTLE bit in violation of fair use clauses found in many content treatises? I would like to see some of these issues dealt with in a court of law, just for the sake of getting a definitive ruling.
Scanning books is ideal for rapid human progress. While we're at it, the concept of the library is also the epicenter of p2p. Yet, money -- better yet, grant money, restricts the natural development of humanity. Therefore if power is a weed, the ultimate power must be anarchy (or should I say LIBERTY).
True story and a kind of interesting local example of what I'm talking about:
I live on a very long dead-end road. They fixed the mouth of the road I live on a while back -- it used to be a fork but now it's a 3-way stop. There was once a very dangerous fork at the mouth of the street and some neighbours complained about drainage problems when it rained (then sent the flooding bill to the town hall). The town met on the subject, and figured they would simply kill two birds with one stone, so they rebuilt the fork to make it less dangerous when they reconstructed the drainage for the whole area.
Because my street is LONG, the bulk of the people in the area live on the road that feeds up the NEW stop sign. When it was a fork, there was a YEILD sign so you could quickly look down the TINY side street and quickly go.
You would understand if you could see the way they reconstructed this area -- it makes no sense whatsoever to have a stop sign there. It should be a thoroughfare.
Guess how many people stop at the new stop sign now that the street has been "repaired"? About one in fifty.
If a law is stupid, you are obligated to break it because that is the essence of what liberty is!
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
I don't get it. What are you trying to say by asking that? Are you arguing this is a bad idea and saying "Why stop there?" as in this wrong?
This is a good idea and to be able to cross reference and get multi sources is wonderful. I'm all for it. Not to mention it's great for college students who just can't get to the library because they need to work to pay for the text books and food while at college. It's open 24/7. Of course the other end of the spectrum is it's an excuse to wait til the last moment because they don't have to worry about the book being checked out.
That which does not kill me only postpones the inevitable.
-MIT's Open Courseware at: http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html
-Textbook revolution at http://textbookrevolution.org/
-Physiscs texts at: http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/theorist.html#langua ges
-The assayer at http://www.theassayer.org/
-Open content at http://www.hewlett.org/Programs/Education/Technolo gy/OpenContent/opencontent.htm
I also know a number of econometric and statistics texts that are also available as free Ebooks, but they are of interest only to specialists.
FROM THE ARTICLE:
Second, many countries will ban certain types of hardware (without macrovision, drm, etc) and other countries will get some of our business (at least mine) when we opt to purchase superior hardware that isn't limited. From the article again:
Bottom line is some of us will always buy the DRM protected stuff and only a few of us will purchase overseas if necessary to ensure we can get a device that will truly record to or from anything. The scanning of millions of books, magazines and other articles will only push change in laws, but it will take some time. Whoever wins, I'm still going to be purchasing devices that aren't locked down, even if I have to learn a bit of Japanese, Chinese or Korean to do so.
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This is part of the move by the publishing industry to kill the resale market.
OK, that is a bit cynical. However, for high-end items like college textbooks, constant revisioning, cd/book bundles, and book/exclusive-web-site bundles are already killing the resale market. In 5 years schools will simply purchase 1-semester licenses to online materials and tack it on to the tuition as a "class materials fee."
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
I personally dont like to read from the screen, and LOVE reading or listening to books on tape but theres pretty good tools out there to read the text for you in english like openbook.
But I have a blind friend and certainly can see how something like this could help him, because I see how he struggles to find good books he can read and has to jokearound with his scanner just to read something that is not available electronically. He does good now, has two diplomas but he had his mom was scanning books for him like 24/7...
Think outside the box a bit...
If there became an online library consisting of most if not all books, I would be willing to pay for a subscription. I believe that there is a large market of people that want unusual or hard to find in print books. This would allow people to search for these books. Along with helping that niche market, there would also be the vast benefit to researchers and college students. Why buy a book for 20 dollars just for one paper because your library doesn't have a copy when you can use a service with all the books already there for a small set fee. Overall this would be cheaper for the end user of small print books. The only pitfall is in the major money makers of the publishing industry, bestsellers and textbooks. However, I don't think that having then in ebook form would greatly hurt their sales. Books, as in those on paper, have unique advantages. One they are highly and easily portable. I don't want to read on my laptop while taking a crap. I also use the margins in textbooks. There is nothing like having a real book in hand. But having the availability of books hard to come by along with books used infrequently or once briefly per person would greatly benifit all those literate.
Ideally, in such a complete library we should also be able to read any article ever written in any newspaper, magazine or journal. And why stop there?
Let's leave no poem on a toilet paper or a speeding ticket unscanned!
The Times could start by making all their articles & commentary available at no cost.
is just communism. If you wrote a book for the sole fact that that is what you do, you're an author and you got compensation from the state (which is the people after all) in the form of food, clothing, entertainment and lodging stipends you'd be set. :-)
I kid. Stick with what we know best. Capitalism with a side of cheating.
As a soon to be published author who is making little money on the deal I don't see the big incentive for me to get all upset about my work being distributed. I mean I don't because I want my publisher to print the books but financially I have nothing riding on the books...
And perhaps with media like that that's the way it should be...
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
The real world introduction of replicators would see well-governed nations (which are mostly already rich) get even richer, and poorly-governed nations (which are mostly already poor) get even poorer as their governments confiscated their replicators and used them for the benefit of the power-elite (more phasers to oppress the masses and cheaper rates on ballots for one-party elections! Sweet!). And lots of Western academics would say "See, this is why we need socialism, look at how capitalism produces rich and poor people and inequitably distributes the wealth of the world", because academics who have never actually had their stuff ganked by a totalitarian mob have a very rozy view of the whole process.
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
If it takes 1 gallon of gas to drive this thing to make 2 gallons of gas, well, you can see the problem there.
So this would be self-limiting based upon the energy/matter required to "create" whatever it is that you're creating.
How this changes anything would depend upon how efficient the machine would be and what types of energy/matter it would use.
I've scanned about ten of my favorite books a few years ago and have put them into my Kazaa shared folder for anyone to download.
In three years there hasn't been one single download of any of these books. Maybe my tastes are completely different from the people who use Kazaa, or, maybe it hasn't occurred to the KaZaaistanis to actually look for books on what is primarily a music downloading library.
I've offered Gore Vidal, P.J. O'Rourke, Trevanian, Harry Turtledove, and others, but again, no one has the slightest interest.
So whenever you hear a book publisher claim that putting books online for download for free would devastate the industry, just remember that the people who read books are definitely not the people who download files from P2P resource libraries. The claim that online downloading of so-called e-books for low price or even free would hurt the book publishing industry seems on its face to be reasonable and prudent, but in reality it is totally without merit. The people who buy books and read them don't download files from Kazaa and the P2P filesharers don't read anything without having some teacher require it as part of their final grade. They'll download comic books, yes, maybe, but actual books of coherent text and prose, not a chance.
Such it is as it is. And I don't believe that this situation will change in the coming years as more people outside of the geek community discover the P2P global library resources that are available.
Given that whatever you create CANNOT result in an increase of energy, there would be limits to this "technology".
If it takes 1 gallon of gas to drive this thing to make 2 gallons of gas, well, you can see the problem there.
Yes but what if it takes 1 litre of Captain Kirk piss and produces 1 pound of gold?
Something to think about...
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WTF? is that like, ebook speak or something?
"W¥)"? i dont get it
Executives in Hollywood watches in awe as Google creates sequels of books with targeted advertisement and tailored endings that suits each individual users. "With this technology, we didn't have to do sequels of 60s, 70s and 80s movies that no one wants to pay $6 to watch, but tailor each sequel with targeted advertisement for each individual user." said an executive who wanted to remain anonymous. "It will be the golden crack pipe from Hollywood... everyone will want to get more of it." he continued.
it takes 1 litre of Captain Kirk piss and produces 1 pound of gold
I hope they'd work on some other form of fuel, though. I don't want to have to carry around Kirk's piss everywhere I go.
Ideally, in such a complete library we should also be able to read any article ever written in any newspaper, magazine or journal. And why stop there?
I guess this author is hoping he can get some fees from this project while he scrounges for a job when the NY times downsizes him cause newspapers are on the way out.
Wait, its not normal to carry around.... Err.... this is awkward.... uhh these jugs contain apple juice, yah... apple juice.
Some people encrypt by using rot-13 twice. I prefer the more secure method of using rot-1 a total of twenty six times.
Yeah, but really, the problem with energy is in moving it from place to place.
If we can replicate, then presumably we've cracked the problem of turning energy to matter and back. If we start running out of energy, we convert some more matter into energy.
If we start to run out of matter, we go get some from any of the many celestial bodies nearby. It's not like Jupiter is doing anything terribly important with it's extra matter (I'm assuming that if we can do all that other stuff, why not space travel as well)?
Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
I would love an "ISBN Scan and Search" Service where I could run my book's ISBN #s through a scanner, and search those in Google's (whomever's) database.
I recently had to give a talk and the information I wanted to convey was scattered throughout about 50 books. I wasn't able to do a good job, and I desperately wanted to do a keyword search on each of them.
This would be a great service for a library which would allow a patron to do a full text search on all books in the library.
Imagine writing a paper on the literary impact of "The Beatles" or "Star Wars" scattered throughout diverse materials like romance novels or physics textbooks in a large library.
The world will not get better through technology. We must seek to be better people.
ISTR back in 1995 CE or thereabouts, when I first "discovered" the 'net. ISTR the first things that I thought of were the lost libraries of Alexandria and Toledo. And Cairo, Memphis, Thebes. Let alone Athens, Rome, Berlin, London, Paris, and the LOC. Ya know what my hope is? I hope that the 'net "library" cannot be burned nor sacked.
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YOu should first try to get the law (etc) changed, then if necessary try to get the law challenged through acts of civil disobidience. True civil disobidience means that you are willing to pay the price of breaking the law as long as your actions will bring further attention to the mistake{s} of the law/practice in question.
digging holes for construction projects: using a shovel will never be replaced as the way to dig a small hole. I spent hours trying to think up a "better shovel" and then I realized humankind has had a long time to improve on the shovel and they haven't. Likewise, books as physical objects are not going to go away: they are the solution which is also the most simple.
Digital information has certain properties that distinguish it from atomic information:
1) It is infinitely easier to distribute.
2) It is significantly easier to index.
3) It is significantly more malleable.
In most cases the digital-information-haves cast these properties as inherently benevolent in nature. Unfortunately this is not the case. These properties are instead morally neutral. While a universally accessible, fully indexed, fully accessible digital archive of all the books on earth sounds like an idea which on the whole will benefit humanity we can not ignore the darker side to digital information.
1) Information that is infinitely easier to distribute can lead to infinite information being available. The more information there is available the more we depend on gatekeepers to provide us what is relevant.
2) The index of information is a form of information in it's own right (meta information) which itself contributes to the glut of information previously mentioned.
3) The more malleable information becomes the more it is subject to alteration. Each version of an altered document adds to the information glut leading us back to a greater dependency on information gatekeepers.
As the technology for digital books develops and less people find books as convenient as their counterpart in the digital world people will inevitably begin replacing their books or simply stop buying printed books. I don't think this is as much a science fiction dream as it may sound. How many of you still read a printed newspaper?
We may need no convincing to burn our books. They may never need to be outlawed. They will instead be subtly subverted by the insidious desire for "convenience". The kings of convenience will then be free to rule using the most powerful political tool in the information age: FUD.
Wait, its not normal to carry around.... Err.... this is awkward.... uhh these jugs contain apple juice, yah... apple juice.
Now that you've convinced yourself, wanna have a cup of apple juice from those jugs you're carrying?
If we can replicate, then presumably we've cracked the problem of turning energy to matter and back
Not necessarily. I'm not a trekky, so I don't know how these things work in detail, but there's two different ways they could work. Firstly, by transforming energy into matter, or secondly, by transmuting one type of matter in to another.
Besides, there may well be incredible inefficiencies in the technology. It may be efficient to generate matter from energy, but trying to reverse the process may be significantly more inefficient.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
A good number of computer programming books at the local Borders have a PDF copy of the book on a CD in the back, convenient for searching and such.
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Yeah, those Norwegians (third biggest oil exporter in the world, above Iran and Venezuela!) are really sitting atop the world...
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I think the point is that the marginal cost of doing most of these things is pretty much nil. Scanning the books is definitely not free, but when you've got hundreds of GB of space, and the bandwidth to download hundreds of MB of porn a day, the cost of downloading a few hundred KB of text with your already paid-for broadband is small enough to be imperceptible, and thus to be, in the mind of the consumer, free. Which was the original point.
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
YOu should first try to get the law (etc) changed, then if necessary try to get the law challenged through acts of civil disobidience.
Being in the country populated by criminals, I've seen civil disobedience used as a first option work in the past. Sometimes quick, easy and only costly to the a***holes^w politicians who forget who is really responsible to whom.
True civil disobidience means that you are willing to pay the price of breaking the law as long as your actions will bring further attention to the mistake{s} of the law/practice in question.
Unfortunately I've also seen it not work, and it's been expensive to those who try.
But we don't stop trying. It is, after all, our civic duty.
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
Examples of cold books are the books that you use at work. You have no attachment to these books. They are there to provide information.
Digital books will wipe out the market for cold books. Digital book have one crucial advantage over cold books. You can use a search engine to search the content of a digital book.
In the bad old days, an investment analyst may have remembered reading an insightful analysis about hedging. She wants to re-read the analysis but, unfortunately, cannot remember which bloody book contained the analysis.
In the present day, that same analyst can just use a search engine to find the precise book by quickly scanning the list of books that she has read.
The opposite of cold books is cozy books. These are books that you read while you are curled up in a comfy sofa or bed. As you sip hot chocolate spiked with whipped cream, you devour every word of the book. You lovingly flip the pages as you quickly follow the heroine of your chick-lit novel.
No computer or search-engine will ever replace the cozy books. There will always be a market for cozy books. The phrase, "curling up with your high-performance notebook computer popping up page after page of the novel", just does not have that same cozy feel.
Note that the notions of "cozy books" and "cold books" are relative. A female engineer may consider a book about advanced quantum physics to be a "cozy book" for leisure reading, but a middle-aged housewife may consider a romance novel to be a "cozy book". The point is that digital books will never eliminate all paper-based books simply because cozy books will continue to survive in the digital age.
I can barely get through a slashdot briefing in a web browser, let alone war and peace.
Noone reads ebooks as it is now, because a screen is an impractical medium for books.
Indexing them all will be neato bambino for quick searches and whatnot, but most people don't want to be glued to a screen for that long. Besides, books smell cool and computers do not.
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not that /. needs any more references to 1984, but this could make it a lot easier to alter the text. unless there were multiple databases controlled by sources with conflicting interests (some sort of checks and balances) or the database had some non-defeatable version tracking, how would you know that the content is genuine?
I may be old fashioned, but doesn't that seem a bit outlandish? I mean, I know, people would have said that about gigabytes in the days of yore, but still. When do we reach the fundamental limit of information density per unit space? Anyone with knowledge on this care to comment?
With DVDs and CDs (ie: video and music) you need a hardware system to access the content. With a book, the hardware is in the pages and the binding. So when we're talking about e-books, we're talking about changing the playback hardware, not just the distribution channel for the content.
This is important because for music and video the internet (file sharing) has only really altered the distribution channel for content, not the playback hardware.
I think e-books have not taken off because the market likes the existing playback hardware: paper pages and binding. I don't think that is likely to change as long as prices for books remain affordable. Unless the point of production of the playback hardware shifts to the end-user (ie: a home book-binding color laser printer or something like that), this is likely to remain so. And even if such devices were possible, people would probably still buy 'the real thing'. After all, there have been home cappucino machines for a long time, yet Starbucks is booming. These are probably the main reasons why books and bookstores have been a booming business since the inception of the internet, and not the other way around.
The situation may be different in places where books (and Starbucks) are not affordable, like in - say - Bangladesh. And this electronic resource will be wonderful for serving those communities. But giving such markets access to books electronically doesn't constitute any loss of sales since they aren't buyers in any case.
For all of these reasons, I suspect this resource is going to be a fantastic research tool, but I doubt it is going to be a paradigm change so much as a subtle shift for the distribution of the written word.
A-Bomb
Those Norwegians hunger for the sweet taste of American freedom! We must fight the terrorists among the fjords so we don't have to fight them here!
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
I have tons of online help BS on my computer but when I really need to figure something out, I still reach for Kerningham's C book or Knuth's Art of Computer Programming.
Sigh... I'm like sooo last century.
Is that a SCSI connector or are you just glad to see me?
So what's the best way to read an eBook? Not on my computer I hope, I sit here too long as it is.
Here's a quote from a guy who considered himself qualified to discuss politics with authority. He seems to think that if we had automated means of producing objects of desire and need that we would essentially be in a position to do away with class in society.
There is only one condition in which we can imagine managers not needing subordinates, and masters not needing slaves. This condition would be that each (inanimate) instrument could do its own work, at the word of command or by intelligent anticipation; as if a shuttle should weave of itself, and a plectrum should do its own harp playing.
Aristotle, The Politics 350 BCE
Free everything for everyone sounds nice, but authors still need to be paid for their work. If it only covers books no longer being sold, then it is fair enough. "Every book ever written" goes beyond this however.
You've beaten me to point number 3, and said it better than I could. Well done.
Same is true with greed story lines. No federation level race can have any desire to gain precious jewels because they can be easily replicated in any amount you want. So none of this gold pressed latinum nonsense.
The true concept of the replicator was rarely if ever used. In its full glory it would create a world without needs or wants. There would be no scarcity. Not of essentials and not of desirables. You could feed anyone and feed them on the finest foods.
99% of writers could never accept this. They had to introduce limitations or else their story telling techniques could not work. What is the point of sharing a rare bottle with someone. Rare? Just upload its pattern and anyone who wants to can have it.
So they introduced limits, like that it never tastes as good. HOW? Since replicators and transporters are similar technology either they create a perfect copy (and we been told time and time again that transporters do exactly that) or they do not and transporters would be useless.
In Star Trek the true replicators would ruin a lot of the stories because there would be no limit on resources, there would be no value to rare metals and precious stones, there would be no scarcity. Now check how many ST story lines respect the original vision of the replicator.
That is your clue as to the effect it would have on real life. All the current systems would collapse.
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Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
Information overload. Something I am unfortunately suffering from.
See George O. Smith's "Venus Equilateral" stories, they're compiled into a collection called "The Complete Venus Equilateral".
I'm sure you'll find it on the Internet somewhere (yea! now I'm back on topic!)
Have you noticed how Internet access makes smart people smarter and stupid people stupider?
sites such as gutenberg and ebooksclub already provide some excellent ebook resources, the first one is excellent for fiction the second site is invaliable for reference (especially IT)
Don't worry about the NYT and others. The 'net can easily replace TV (and it will), but never newspapers.
How do you read it on the toilet or in the subway? With your PDA? Who'll buy a PDA for a few 100s if all he has to do is to dish out 50 cents a day? Most people prefer to pay a little daily to paying some large sum at once.
Besides, how do you swat a fly with your PDA?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Oh, man... College databases for stuff like this suck right now...
If I could've had all of the books available to me for which the copyright had long since run out when I was in college... *Drools*
Then! If they had made a database of books that no one would read except for research purposes for which the copyrights were still in place that had to be licensed, but you got access to for being a student...
Well. I would've done a lot better in college if I had had something like that. I hate libraries.
"And why stop there?"
How about a little thing called. . . COPYRIGHT !!
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Mindless linux twit
The MAIN thing I love about reading newspapers is seeing how different the take/viewpoint usually is compared to the pablum I get here at home.
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
For those who havent, RTFM.
I would like to see the control of the copy as a means to earn a livelyhood get thrown away.
The blessing of electronic media is also it's curse: Instant modification of documents, or outright deletion of the undesirable.
There is still plenty of need in the world for hard copy.
Physical, leather bound, acid free paper.
Stone tablets. Microfilm copies.
'1984' had it's ministry of truth, 2006 has the ministry of fog - an internet clogged with countless documents.
The Right to Read has never been greater.
I can't wait!
Enjoyed reading your article.
We are trying to do exactly what you were mentioning in your column.
The beta version of our library is at http://www.bookyards.com/
It is free. and available to all.
Within two months our full and edited version will be online. Comments on how to improve our site will be appreciated
nt
I wrote one of the first books on computer programming back in days before the IBM PC and continue to write for the world's leading publishers. More than 75 books so far. Not much is mentioned about authors being paid for their work. Consider: a library under contract with a search engine buys one copy and then let's the search engine digitize the book and make it available for free on the web. Does that seem fair? Isn't this happening with CDs? Why should I - and my fellow authors - write a book that makes technology easy to understand for our readers only to have a billion dollar search engine copy it and give it a way - and collect ad revenue from advertisers who want their ads to be displayed along side the text of my book. Contrary to what you might read in the press, authors don't make a lot of money writing books. The move to digitize books will steal the little financial incentive there is. The result will be few of us willing write books and the search engines will be serving up a hodge-podge of bits and pieces of useful - and not so useful - information.
There's a parallel here to timekeeping technology. Not so many years ago, mechanical clocks & watches were essentially completely replaced by quartz models, that were "better" in every respect: they were cheaper, kept better time, and offered more functionality in the same space - countdown timers, stopwatches, etc. However, there are lots of us who still like mechanical timepieces BECAUSE they're old fashioned (note that the technology switch discussed above happened while I was a kid - my first watch was digital).
No matter how great eBooks become (and they've got a long ways to go), there's always going to be a market for paper books for those interested in antique technology.
Sean
Keep your eye out for the Sony Reader coming out this Spring sometime. Yeah, yeah, all the stuff about Sony ... but if it's as good as it sounds, it's something I could see myself getting.
This article goes to some length discussing the historical basis for copyrights and how those may or not still be valid for creative works in the 21st century as the cost of making and distributing copies has effectively gone to zero. The author comes to the conclusion that no matter what laws are made or desires are had by publishers (or authors) technologically, the "copy" has ceased to be acontrollable thing that revenues can be squeezed from.
An interesting thing will be how authors and artists of the late 21st century will make their livings. Already many performing artists [musicians] are moving towarddistributing their recordings under CreativeCommons licenses that allow them to begenerally free to the public.* They then can increase their following and make a better living selling tickets to performances as well as taking donations and selling easy accessto their music.
The 'donation' aspect of this new model is one that I find particularly interesting. It remains to be seen how it would work out, but I can imagine a day when a music group or author puts up a 'new album/book fundraiser' on their website. Fan donations could build until the cost of the production is met, at which point the group/author makes their work and provides it for download free of additional charges (as it has already been paid for). This "donations/payment upfront" model would strongly encourage increased production by artists (the purpose of copyright), while also providing a mechanism to support smaller/niche artists. I imagine that this model would not produce the huge incomes of current (<2%) superstars, but it should provide reasonable incomes for the vast majority of artists.
As a example of this model in use is the musician "Cargo Cult". I downloaded his albums (for free in 128kbps mp3 format) and listened to them on my MP3 player for several weeks. After a while I found that I really liked his music and went back to Magnatune and gave him $8 for the CD-Quality version of the tracks. Also, I sent him an email asking about his experience giving away his music under CreativeCommons. He replied back with a short message that basically said "Before I didn't make any money with my music, now I do." Where might we (and our culture) be if this was the dominant model.
- Adam
*Some, such as theAttribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlikelicense that I use for mywebsiteallow free use only for non-commercial uses.
"When ideology and theology couple, their offspring are not always bad but they are always blind." -- Bill Moyers
I'm concidering buying a palm or tablet just for reading ebooks. Any suggestions for good models in this field?
I have just started looking, but it may be that tablets are too expensive and too heavy for the purpose. Palms may have too small screens...
Now all we need is Orlando Jones to read it to us. :-D
Ad (1) Do we need additional etexts?
The list of e-texts on the sites shown might look impressive, but it isn't really. It's a convenient aid to a decent university library but nothing more. In addition it took me quite some time to find these sites, and it took the site builders untold hours to put their sites together. And still it's terribly sketchy.
Why do I say it looks more impressive than it is?
-the topics tend to be covered in a very incomplete way
-the only area that is covered fairly well is undergraduate (first and second year) Mathematics and basic Physics.
-to my feeling there seems to be a positive correlation (but I didn't check this) between open e-texts and subjects that are studied by people who really really _want_ to study them
All full e-texts in these sites were made available by their copyright holders or have had their copyrights expired. What Google is planning to do is to make al books searcheable (including those under copyright) and to display only such small morsels as is consonant with fair-use. That's a very different story.
I for one would pay good money to be able to do an occasional full-text search of textbooks. And I would be happy to then either lend those books from the library or to buy them outright.
Ad (2) Should we be afraid of a Google monopoly on book searches?
I am as suspicious of monopolies as the next person, but this is a service which genuinely doesn't exist at the moment. I firmly believe that we can expect nothing of remotely comparable quality from existing publishers. If Google makes money from building such a valuable resource, why not let them? And should there turn out to be problems, we can always address them later, once actually we have a service such as Google is planning.
As a case in point I would remind you of the situation with scientific journals. There is _no_ single system that allows me to do full-text searches in scientific journals. Most scientific publishers offer (ruinously expensive) searching services for their own journals to libraries, and mostly they let you search for abstracts, keywords, and authors only. The quality of the search engines usually ranges from barely acceptable to really poor and they simply can't hold a candle to the quality of the Google search engine. This is because publishers usually put only bitmaps of their full articles on-line (even to paying subscribers !), which effectively renders them unsearcheable.
Conclusion
The long and the short of it is that it really isn't in the publisher's interest to make their books and articles too easy to search. Publishers generally aren't about making knowledge accessible to society, they are about maximising profits by monetising copyrights (no censure intended). They (probably rightly) feel that allowing their publications to be searcheable won't help them sell more copies. Why would that be? Full-text search as proposed by Google would allow people to look a a page or a passage of their books and decide that (a) the book or article is of no use to them, or (b) that they now know enough and don't need to buy the book or article, or (c) that the book or article is a must-read. Mostly the answer will turn out to be (a) or (b). So they block it (which makes perfect sense from their point of view).
Of course this is counter to the best interest of researchers, but they usually aren't copyright holders. That might surprise some people, but researchers usually have to sign away their copyrights in order to get their work published. And they aren't in a very strong bargaining position because their jobs depend on publishing regularly in well-rated peer-reviewed journals.
I would definitely support a national library doing exactly what Google is planning. Unfo
Even when scanned, most of these books in the areas of FICTION will continue to be unavailable, because:
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1) people don't categorize fiction by keywords, as they do with non-fiction, they think of stories as concepts--they search for "romances involving an obsession with an uninterested person", or a story about a "crime victim who falls in love with a thief who is trying to reform" or "sympathetic alien being hunted by government forces". These don't translate well into tagged keywords.
2) In an unmoderated format, there will be keyword spam, and synonym problems--stories on a sailboat could be tagged as stories on a boat or stories at sea. The searcher may not use the same tag words that the tagging person did.
One possible solution: the detailed tagging system at www.allreaders.com, where all the tags are laid out in advance. Books are elaborately tagged in many different ways, all of which are searchable. The site has over 2,300,000 visitors per month. You can see a sample search page at
http://www.allreaders.com/booksearcha.asp?Subject
or the main page at
http://www.allreaders.com/
this is what the science teacher promised when I was in 1st grade, back in 1970, fat chance, too many greedy fucks out there that want their slice of someone eles's pie. "Imagine a place where you can find all information at your fingertips".... at what price... is the question that was forgotten.
Sig Hansen?
Sulery, you meant: Animar Falm and the Bibre, no?
What about self-publishers. Where would they stand in this scheme?
If self-publishers shun DRM, then where would THEY stand, too?
It's kinda scary when the most advanced governments can show just how much of a repressive regime they can be. I imagine the US will be on THAT list, too, for oppressive regimes.
Segue: The US already is on the list for the number of prisoners PER CAPITA and per number, around 600 per 100,000 incarcerated, and over 2 MILLION out of the whole pop.
Anyway, just look at how many books sit in the megastores. Periodically, you'll see them relabeling shelves, in prep for a mass redecoration or "change our look". Sometimes it only takes a number (how many, I don't know) of book sales or drops from a category, or a need to make space for new titles and the whole damn floor of a Borders or B&N seems to change. One only need not go there for maybe 6 weeks or so, and things aren't where they used to be. Same as SF's main library... after a month of having not been there, I couldn't find something by foot and eye-- I had to troll the aisles and got lucky because I barely remembered part of the Dewey number, and I was reluctant to mess with the paper catalog and didn't want to wait for a computer, much less touch them.
Another segue: Yeh, you can pick up hep B from all sorts of sources if following someone by a matter of minutes). Sure, I touch things around me, shake hands with some people on occasion, but I make SURE to go wash my hands at intervals and often right after any contact. Having seen that so many people sneeze, hack, use nasty-ass hanky's, and then touch books and mags makes me very careful as to what I tend to touch. But, I'm not a total hand-wash freak, either...
But, at some point, when I get around to starting and then releasing a few stories here and there, I want wide dissemination. Even if I make a name for myself, I would rather the stories circulate, as I am NOT big on big business, not aiming for "big bucks", and morally will gun down (metaphorically) and maul anyone who tries to push me higher up the food chain than I am comfortable.
But, people like myself will at some point cause governments to "nationalize the works" to "keep them from being so free."
Oh, wait.... that... already.. happens.
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
I actually read TFA (TWFA), and all I see is:
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The new model, of course, is based on the intangible assets of digital bits, where copies are no longer cheap but free.
and (a few sentences later):
Authors and artists can make (and have made) their livings selling aspects of their works other than inexpensive copies of them. They can sell performances, access to the creator, personalization, add-on information, the scarcity of attention (via ads), sponsorship, periodic subscriptions -- in short, all the many values that cannot be copied.
That's a new business model?
First of all, none of those things are new. Authors and artists in the "failed" business model were free to seel all those things (and did, according to the article). So, at best, the "new" business model is the old one, "lite" (i.e., too bad your main revenue stream is trash; you should still be ok because, um
Secondly, if copies are literally free, then subscription models fail, too.
Lastly, if the basic model depends on "free", am I the only one who feels like I'm back at an Internet expo in '98, being told that the product is free and the venture is banking on growing customer relationships?
I'm sure there's a new business model, but I'm pretty sure it's not in TFA.
Here's what I understand about the Google Book Search service and some of the contentious issues surrounding it...
First of all, Google will not allow users to read the full text of in-copyright works. They will only display a small snippet of text (or a few pages for publishers who have signed up to Google's partner program). In order to let users see those snippets of text, Google is scanning the entire content of books. That scanned digital file will be held and owned by Google. But they are scanning entire in-copyright books without the publisher's consent. Rather than approach publishers for their permission to scan their titles first, Google is asking publishers to contact them if they want to opt-out of the scheme. It's not surprising therefore that some publisher's have described Google's approach as arrogant.
As far we know, the content of the scanned books will only be indexed by Google, not by other search engines (this could change in the future - the decision lies with Google). And what will Google do with those scanned titles once the copyright expires? They're free to do as they wish of course, but publishers remain uneasy that Google is digitizing in-copyright titles right now, well-before many titles reach the end of their copyright status. Why did Google not obtain the permission of publishers first before scanning titles? How could they have not forseen the backlash this would cause? Isn't it rather telling that even the Bodleian library in Oxford will only let Google scan out-of-copyright works?
Google are spending their own money on scanning titles, so of course one expects them to want to make money from the project in the long term. Nevertheless, the book scanning project puts the accumulated knowledge of thousands, if not millions of books in the hands of just one corporation (yes, that's right, corporation, not philanthropic organization). Should we be concerned by this development or should we welcome it?
Your arguement is kinda flawed. It would be like me saying, well I tried to sell bags of doorknobs in a pizza shop, but no one bought any, therefore one one wants doorknobs.
.mp3" it will fly off your computer like hotcakes. You will however invoke the ire of some pretty confused people.
The fact is there isn't a lot of scanned books via p2p, so therefore why would anyone search for it there?
p2p in my experiance is used exactly for 3 things: Porn, Music, Software (probably in that order).
So unless things change drastically, unless you are offering those 3 commodities, odds are no one is going there to look for it and thus will not search for it, and thus will not download it.
If however you renamed your boring books from "Trevanian.doc" or whatever it is to "Porn Tits Ass Metallica Madonna Trevanian.mpg or
To summerize I don't try and buy (or even ask) to buy a 12 of beer at Toys R' Us, as I know they don't have any.
This is a great example of logical thinking. I'm curious though... what would you suggest we do for all the people who are currently entrenched in copyright? What purpose could they service society?
I propose we take many of them and enrich outerspace with their remains -- spread the DNA a little around.
The rest, could work in mines.
The bulk of them would simply entertain us.
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
People post a lot of trash (e.g., best-selling novels) to ebook groups, so some more erudite titles—reposted periodically—would be most welcome. You also might find a more receptive audience in BitTorrent users, since many trackers provide a category for ebooks.
A few tips for increasing the accessibility of your ebooks:
Similarly, a collection of HTML documents precludes the use of many ebook readers. Using a web browser to read an ebook means sacrificing special ebook reader functionality, like the ability to set bookmarks at arbitrary points.
A good number of computer programming books at the local Borders have a PDF copy of the book on a CD in the back, convenient for searching and such.
That's a good idea - too bad O'Reilly sells Safari so their paperbacks don't come with searching.
Amazon also offers a 'search inside' feature via scanned books, presumably some kind of OCR system. Anybody know how much of each book Amazon scans? If I were them I'd scan the whole thing while I had the book on the autoscanner.
Google also has something similar - will Google get into the eBook business soon? Many possibilities. [insert hurried sounds of Microsoft trying to get into the eBook business].
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John Titor, is that you again?