Except that if the site, one needs to go to is not indexed, then it's as good as dead, because it can't be reached without typing the URL into the address bar, and many business sites are exactly like that.
Right, the whole point of URLS is that they're on business cards, sides of buses, etc, so that you can type them in.
Removing it would give it a cleaner look and show you slightly more of the web page at once without scrolling.
Gah!
You, sir or madame, are the reason why Apple is ruining everything. Good day to you! Good day, I say!
The URL is a page's true name. Everything else about a page can be faked, but not the URL. A Web without URLS is like a city without street names, telephone numbers or licence plates, and where every stranger wears a mask.
I don't give a Rhett Butler how "clean" a page looks if I can't tell where the heck I am in cyberspace.
It's inconspicuous and unlabeled in your current browser because you rarely refer to it.
No, it's unlabelled and right at the top because it's the single most important thing in the browser window. It gets to not have a name because it IS the name of everything else.
Seriously, what are they teaching kids at school these days? Do they even use words? Do the teachers have names? How do people grow up thinking that unique global identifiers are somehow useless bits of text?
without considering whether what they are doing actually delivers concrete value to the end user
Guido here and me would like to make you a value proposition. We're, uh, rearchitecting our enterprise customer-facing services framework to better align with best practices in the public-private-partnership arena, like, and in a spirit of mutual synergestic "coopetition" we'd appreciate it if you, um, respected our de-facto industrial standard. Capiche?
'Cos otherwise Guido would have to deliver some concrete value to your end-users. In a sort of, cloud deployment, from the top of the Empire State Building.
The serial id is relevant for probably less than 1% of web users. Even as a slashdot user, I really don't need to see the url at the moment. I only use the bar when I want to go to a different site.
So you never talk to anyone online about web pages? You never copy/paste URLs? You never verify a URL to make sure it's where you want to be? You never email someone a link?
URLs are the nouns of the Web. Without names for things, we don't have a human language, we have a system of pointing and grunting. Hiding the URL of a page is as silly to me as taping everyone's mouth shut so they don't make those confusing noises called "words".
But the computer industry seems to be plunging headlong into "you don't need to know what that is, just click the shiny" dystopia, so what do I know about silly?
Same here. I'm a grumpy old UI Luddite, (I hate the MS ribbon for instance, and I usually despise pop-up information, like the Ubuntu notifications system), and fully expected to hate the Firefox 4 interface - but surprise, I love it! I don't miss the status bar because I get the URL preview information in exactly the same place as I always had it. And I don't mind the lack of menus at all, in fact I think the orange 'Firefox' button is the first menu-bar-less UI that actually 'gets it right'. But I'm also very happy that if I need the old UI back, I can restore it with about three mouse clicks (options, Menu Bar, Tabs On Top).
Hey now, no making funnies like that when I'm drinking coffee!
Ah, I remember when I really did think "I know it's true because a corporate executive said it. Why would a trustworthy gentleman who banks his business on his reputation lie to me, a valued customer? Surely, he would lose his standing among his peers for such a misstep!"
You don't need AAAA records for every IPv6 node any more than you need an A record for every IPv4 node.
And for that case you're right back at having to memorise 16-digit IP addresses instead of 4-digit ones. 'Just use DNS' and 'you don't have to use DNS' are mutually exclusive solutions.
Do you surf web sites by typing in their IPv4 addresses now?
Yes, when it's the web interface to my broadband router.
I don't want to be told that the answer to "how do I get access to configure my misconfigured DNS" is "don't ever misconfigure your DNS or you're screwed, HTH KTHXBYE".
How did that come about? Were there unexpected budget cuts to the XCOM budget before they could dig the last five metres? Or just the typical design snafu where the architect said "But mes ames, you simply must put a swimming pool above the TRIGA reactor! The Cherenkov radiation makes such a bold statement! Non, I will not hear any objections!" and the general sighed and said "okay, whatever, just make sure the alien containment facility on the tenth sub-basement is neutrino shielded and we'll compromise"?
Civilian casualties are regrettable, but kinetic operations are not going to be shelved on that basis alone.
Wow, that's cold.
It's easy for you to say that when it's not your wife and children on that bus. If they were, you might have a different view on whether or not merely being a uniformed cog in an industrial death machine should allow "regrettable" murders to be shrugged off as if they were heavy rainfall.
Funny thing is, I thought I was taught in high school that the "can't prosecute me, I was just following orders, sir" defence was smashed apart at Nuremberg. Apparently that wasn't the case?
The heat screens your rocket silos from prying infrared images, plus acts as a handy geothermal power source. And you get a permanent way to dispose of unwanted guests / security risks / repeated fashion offenders. Elegant and practical.
There's a reason good cliches become cliches, darlings!
if there is no bug, then no harm, no foul in letting my library lag behind a little bit.
In my experience, the chance at any given moment that there is no security-critical bug in any library anywhere is approximately zero. Everything currently available has a bug. It's ony a matter of time until the black hats discover it (and chances are they already have).
So if you ship your own copy of any system library, you're a botnet waiting to happen. At the very best, if yuo package your own yet-another-update-mechanism, you'll be yet another annoying always-running process sucking up CPU and Internet connectivity that your users will swear at - instead of magically having your bugs fixed with no fuss and effort by the normal system update process.
I think it's more the "one physical model for multiple consumer models" thing.
And to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing at all. What makes me grumpy in computing and home electronics is the needless proliferation of slightly different, incompatible quasi-standards where nothing I have quite works with anything else. I'll gladly take a raw number-of-pixels hit if it leads to finally settling the war between aspect ratios so I can get on with my life and have a monitor just be a monitor, regardless of where the signal comes from.
Though with Displayport, Thunderbolt, HDMI and HDBaseT still being different beasts I'm not confident this will ever happen.
Slashdot Mirror
Except that if the site, one needs to go to is not indexed, then it's as good as dead, because it can't be reached without typing the URL into the address bar, and many business sites are exactly like that.
Right, the whole point of URLS is that they're on business cards, sides of buses, etc, so that you can type them in.
This URL is http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/25/1532246/Mozilla-Labs-the-URL-Bar-Has-To-Go. "Slashdot" and the article title are repeated in the browser's frame bar (and in fact the server probably ignores it). A Slashdot reader can eke out more meaning, but nearly all other users find it impenetrable.
Removing it would give it a cleaner look and show you slightly more of the web page at once without scrolling.
Gah!
You, sir or madame, are the reason why Apple is ruining everything. Good day to you! Good day, I say!
The URL is a page's true name. Everything else about a page can be faked, but not the URL. A Web without URLS is like a city without street names, telephone numbers or licence plates, and where every stranger wears a mask.
I don't give a Rhett Butler how "clean" a page looks if I can't tell where the heck I am in cyberspace.
It's inconspicuous and unlabeled in your current browser because you rarely refer to it.
No, it's unlabelled and right at the top because it's the single most important thing in the browser window. It gets to not have a name because it IS the name of everything else.
Seriously, what are they teaching kids at school these days? Do they even use words? Do the teachers have names? How do people grow up thinking that unique global identifiers are somehow useless bits of text?
How the hell am I supposed to type in the places I want to go.
You'll use your Cue*Cat of course, like everyone else.
without considering whether what they are doing actually delivers concrete value to the end user
Guido here and me would like to make you a value proposition. We're, uh, rearchitecting our enterprise customer-facing services framework to better align with best practices in the public-private-partnership arena, like, and in a spirit of mutual synergestic "coopetition" we'd appreciate it if you, um, respected our de-facto industrial standard. Capiche?
'Cos otherwise Guido would have to deliver some concrete value to your end-users. In a sort of, cloud deployment, from the top of the Empire State Building.
Glad we had this little talk.
Hitler didn't have a URL bar.
He didn't have many hitpoints, either. Worst final boss ever.
The serial id is relevant for probably less than 1% of web users. Even as a slashdot user, I really don't need to see the url at the moment. I only use the bar when I want to go to a different site.
So you never talk to anyone online about web pages? You never copy/paste URLs? You never verify a URL to make sure it's where you want to be? You never email someone a link?
URLs are the nouns of the Web. Without names for things, we don't have a human language, we have a system of pointing and grunting. Hiding the URL of a page is as silly to me as taping everyone's mouth shut so they don't make those confusing noises called "words".
But the computer industry seems to be plunging headlong into "you don't need to know what that is, just click the shiny" dystopia, so what do I know about silly?
I think the observation is that most folks don't actually use the URL bar to type in a URL these days.
Oi! I do!
But I guess I'm not a "most folks" so I don't count.
Same here. I'm a grumpy old UI Luddite, (I hate the MS ribbon for instance, and I usually despise pop-up information, like the Ubuntu notifications system), and fully expected to hate the Firefox 4 interface - but surprise, I love it! I don't miss the status bar because I get the URL preview information in exactly the same place as I always had it. And I don't mind the lack of menus at all, in fact I think the orange 'Firefox' button is the first menu-bar-less UI that actually 'gets it right'. But I'm also very happy that if I need the old UI back, I can restore it with about three mouse clicks (options, Menu Bar, Tabs On Top).
Apple rules the world now with an iron, but fashionable and hip, fist. All hail the turtlenecked lord and emperor.
You know, I think if Steve Jobs turned up at WWDC in an actual Zeppelin with a horde of gorilla-robot troopers, everyone would cheer.
> LCD producers stopped making 4:3 screens, forcing me into a bulbous 15" widescreen
What do you think the term "bulbous" means?
Because it makes no sense whatsoever in that sentence.
It's not just bulbous, it's positively gibbous, and possibly squamous as well.
You seem to have found a bug in the constitution...You should probably tell someone what you've found, it will change everything!
It probably would! So perhaps you better make sure that you tell someone other than the President, just to be safe.
I know GNOME's Help Browser is extremey painful, but I didn't think it was malpractice.
Ever wrote something in Perl?
Only once, and I took fifteen showers afterwards and still felt dirty.
as an executive at the company, if he's not lying
*cough* *snort* *choke*
Hey now, no making funnies like that when I'm drinking coffee!
Ah, I remember when I really did think "I know it's true because a corporate executive said it. Why would a trustworthy gentleman who banks his business on his reputation lie to me, a valued customer? Surely, he would lose his standing among his peers for such a misstep!"
Those were good days. I miss them.
Why the hell would you want to? We have this thing called DNS.
And DNS never ever fails for you? I want to live in your world, just for five minutes.
Right now reverse lookup is less than 100% correct on my work LAN. But that should never ever happen so I must be hallucinating.
You don't need AAAA records for every IPv6 node any more than you need an A record for every IPv4 node.
And for that case you're right back at having to memorise 16-digit IP addresses instead of 4-digit ones. 'Just use DNS' and 'you don't have to use DNS' are mutually exclusive solutions.
Do you surf web sites by typing in their IPv4 addresses now?
Yes, when it's the web interface to my broadband router.
I don't want to be told that the answer to "how do I get access to configure my misconfigured DNS" is "don't ever misconfigure your DNS or you're screwed, HTH KTHXBYE".
If you were comparing the values to see if they are identical, you use the word "isis".
Osiris cries!
Kirk! punching... a! Lizard-guy!
Spock, fascinated.
Janeway, fine temporal mess in another.
The last one is almost completely underground.
How did that come about? Were there unexpected budget cuts to the XCOM budget before they could dig the last five metres? Or just the typical design snafu where the architect said "But mes ames, you simply must put a swimming pool above the TRIGA reactor! The Cherenkov radiation makes such a bold statement! Non, I will not hear any objections!" and the general sighed and said "okay, whatever, just make sure the alien containment facility on the tenth sub-basement is neutrino shielded and we'll compromise"?
You know how it is, right? Right?
Try telling people in Hungary and Vietnam that the cold war was nonsense.
The millions of dead Vietnamese civilians killed by US saturation bombing to contain the Hanoi "domino" which fell anyway? I think they already know.
Civilian casualties are regrettable, but kinetic operations are not going to be shelved on that basis alone.
Wow, that's cold.
It's easy for you to say that when it's not your wife and children on that bus. If they were, you might have a different view on whether or not merely being a uniformed cog in an industrial death machine should allow "regrettable" murders to be shrugged off as if they were heavy rainfall.
Funny thing is, I thought I was taught in high school that the "can't prosecute me, I was just following orders, sir" defence was smashed apart at Nuremberg. Apparently that wasn't the case?
Volcano lair.
The heat screens your rocket silos from prying infrared images, plus acts as a handy geothermal power source. And you get a permanent way to dispose of unwanted guests / security risks / repeated fashion offenders. Elegant and practical.
There's a reason good cliches become cliches, darlings!
if there is no bug, then no harm, no foul in letting my library lag behind a little bit.
In my experience, the chance at any given moment that there is no security-critical bug in any library anywhere is approximately zero. Everything currently available has a bug. It's ony a matter of time until the black hats discover it (and chances are they already have).
So if you ship your own copy of any system library, you're a botnet waiting to happen. At the very best, if yuo package your own yet-another-update-mechanism, you'll be yet another annoying always-running process sucking up CPU and Internet connectivity that your users will swear at - instead of magically having your bugs fixed with no fuss and effort by the normal system update process.
Why be that guy?
I think it's more the "one physical model for multiple consumer models" thing.
And to be honest, I don't think that's a bad thing at all. What makes me grumpy in computing and home electronics is the needless proliferation of slightly different, incompatible quasi-standards where nothing I have quite works with anything else. I'll gladly take a raw number-of-pixels hit if it leads to finally settling the war between aspect ratios so I can get on with my life and have a monitor just be a monitor, regardless of where the signal comes from.
Though with Displayport, Thunderbolt, HDMI and HDBaseT still being different beasts I'm not confident this will ever happen.