If the attacker gained access to the system by non-trivial means, derived from his/her own efforts, then he/she is a hacker.
If the attacked gained access to the system by non-trivial means implemented by a government, and by lucky (or by incompetence of someone else) he/she happened to operate that non-trivial means, then he/she is just another opportunistic fellon.
I'm also a former OS/2 user, and I lost big money (and time) with IBM while they're playing Plug, I mean, Pin the Tail with Microsoft. On the aftermath, the tail being plugged was mine.:-(
QNX is already rock solid for decades, but I still using Linux (even by paying for support) to adopt QNX on any mission critical of mine. It's cheaper to patch a flaw now and then than to replace all my infra, as it happened with OS/2.
Speaking frankly, It's a shit. Now and then I must restrain myself from downloading (now) that HD movie. But, hell, this works as a measure to prevent this situation.
No. This works as a measure to milk the fuck out of your wallet. It is almost unheard of in Europe. [...]
Yes, this is a measure to milk money. As every single other measure in every single place of the world. In some of these places, you can choose who will milk less of your wallet. In some other, you have less options.
I am one of these unlucky guys.
So my choices are:
1) Be milked by a ISP that makes traffic shaping, and then get screwed up if by some unlucky event I need to watch a YouTube video HD video (as the Campus Party 2013 talk of Buz Aldrin) or to download some ISO image using bittorrent in a peak hour...
or
2) Be milked by a ISP that gives a pre-accorded quota to download anything I want, at any hour I wish, and throttles me down when I blow up that god damned quota.
Since leaving my country are, currently, out of the question, I choose to be milked using Option 2 - this way, I got screwed I bit less while milking my customers.:-)
However, history taught me that fighting for better laws tends to be more effective by "hurting" the pockets from the current laws beneficiaries than any other measure.
So, send that mail to your favorite senator - but "PLEASE SEED" too!:-)
What your provider does to you is not traffic shaping. It's a maximum data per month with a slowdown after the maximum has been reached.
Yeah, I know.
However, I don't have to care about the hour of the day if I wanna see that youtube HD video. *I* decide when I want o promote my torrent bandwidth, or when I need it to other users.
That monthly quota sucks, I agree. But - at least to me - it sucks less than having to adapt my Internet consume to what the rest of the my provider's consumers are doing at the moment!
If the "Free Market" screws you, go for the Free and screw the Market.
This is exactly what bittorrents and other "generics" source of intelectual goods provides to you. Your wallet is not the only way you can use to vote.
I don't like this measure (it's what my provider does to me), but it works.
I have a limited amount of data each month to use at my full connection's bandwidth. When I overflow it, my bandwidth is throttled down.
This consumption can be monitored using my cable modem's MAC (or my phone's imei) , and the values are settled by contract.
Speaking frankly, It's a shit. Now and then I must restrain myself from downloading (now) that HD movie. But, hell, this works as a measure to prevent this situation.
Hummm.... Trying hard to push from my memory, I think I remember getting the Bonus Pack in a separate package. Not sure if it was inside the box, or if it came after.
I was one of the very first OS/2 users around here. I remember pre-ordering it, but I think this happened with the Warp 4 update. Now that you mention it, yes, I remember WebExplorer. But I'm pretty sure it wasnt available to 3.0 - I'm pretty sure I would not use GOPHER to get Netscape without a reason.
OS/2 never did have a port of Netscape 3, just 2.02 (with the 3 backend) and 4.61 (with the latest 4.7x fixes) there was briefly a 4.0.4 beta. Also you used Webexplorer to download Netscape.
I don't recall for sure the Netscape version, perhaps you are right.
However, when I bought OS2 Warp 3.0 (right after its launching), I'm pretty sure that a Browser didn't come on the installation CDs.
Instead, a README somewhere instructed to install the GOPHER, giving instructions how to fetch the browser using it. About this, there's no mistake.
I ended up in a job with a lesser payment (probably because of the laid off), but 6 months later when a LOT of guys were fired (the company decided to shrink the department - somewhat I had envisioned by my previous experiences in this field), I already was employed, with my bills being paid, while a couple dozen of professionals (a very few of them so good or better than me) were struggling for a new position in the market.
I'm not a profet, I didn't knew for sure if the department will be, in fact, shrinked in the near future (and even by being shrinked, there was a chance of me being picked up to stay). But I didn't knew for sure if this mess can be prevented, and decided to play safe.
I was right this time (and a couple of other times).
Of course there was a time when I was wrong, but historically it appears I'm right a lot more than I'm wrong, so the net value is positive by now.
Why should, then, GITHUB shutdown a useful feature (the search!) in order to prevent data mining over that keys?
Pretty stupid or not, GITHUB is hurting everybody because of them.
So, or GITHUB are pretty stupid bastard themselves, or some of these keys can cause some serious havoc. I stand what I said : identify and suspend the idiots instead of fscking everybody!
These stupid people should be had their accounts suspended.
People should be accountable for their actions, and these idiots are potentially compromising third party data security!
ICO didn't fined Sony for the information leak on that Anonymous attack? Why in hell GITHUB user's should be less accountable for things THEY ARE FSCKING COMMITING in their accounts?
Who in his sane mind would like to download a random JAR from the Internet and give it total control about your computer?
I agree that a more user friendly mechanism to give the VM the JAR's needed resources could be a good idea, but I really don't get this as one of the major Java's flaws. On Linux, that native launcher can be just a fscking bash script, by God's sake!
If you think that this is an unacceptable friction as a developer, feel free to try build a multiplatform application using.NET, C++ , Python or Perl.:-)
(hint: even Python has some serious idiosyncratic friction on the operating system: give the os.stat a peek for a example).
And no one bought the idea of the "Java/OS", anyway.
I'm not defending their security practices (I disable the plug-in on my machines) but there may be real legal reasons why they are not liable and it has nothing to do with patent protection.
How much do plug-in users pay to use the plug-in?
Have you ever read the terms of use?
You can't really draw an analogy to an aircraft purchase transaction.
You have good points to be considered, thanks for sharing. (I really mean it).
However, let's keep (ab)using the aircraft analogy (good to use anything but cars around here!): if the travelling agency, using some lottery, grants you a free ticket to Hawaii and the plan crashes due a manufacturer's really stupid mistake (or negligence):
It's the manufacturer exempted of liability for this passenger because (s)he didn't paid for the ticket?
The fact is that Oracle has some kind of (strategic) revenue by maintaining Java. It's important to Oracle that people keeps using Java. They have some kind of (indirect) revenue from Java.
Exact the same way that travel agency when decided to sort a free ticket to Hawaii.
And it happens that Oracle had brought Sun because of Java (think on a really big travel agency that managed to buy a aircraft manufacturer!).
You're right that may be some good points to be exempt from liability. But receiving the software for free is not automatically one of them, IMHO.
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God damned dictionaries. "Fix" what is not broken, and doesn't correct me where I really need.
Where I wrote "If the attacked", please read "If the attacker". =/
If the attacker gained access to the system by non-trivial means, derived from his/her own efforts, then he/she is a hacker.
If the attacked gained access to the system by non-trivial means implemented by a government, and by lucky (or by incompetence of someone else) he/she happened to operate that non-trivial means, then he/she is just another opportunistic fellon.
GP was very harsh, but he has a point.
I'm also a former OS/2 user, and I lost big money (and time) with IBM while they're playing Plug, I mean, Pin the Tail with Microsoft. On the aftermath, the tail being plugged was mine. :-(
QNX is already rock solid for decades, but I still using Linux (even by paying for support) to adopt QNX on any mission critical of mine. It's cheaper to patch a flaw now and then than to replace all my infra, as it happened with OS/2.
(Man, that was a nightmare!)
(About quotas)
Speaking frankly, It's a shit. Now and then I must restrain myself from downloading (now) that HD movie. But, hell, this works as a measure to prevent this situation.
No. This works as a measure to milk the fuck out of your wallet.
It is almost unheard of in Europe. [...]
Yes, this is a measure to milk money. As every single other measure in every single place of the world. In some of these places, you can choose who will milk less of your wallet. In some other, you have less options.
I am one of these unlucky guys.
So my choices are:
1) Be milked by a ISP that makes traffic shaping, and then get screwed up if by some unlucky event I need to watch a YouTube video HD video (as the Campus Party 2013 talk of Buz Aldrin) or to download some ISO image using bittorrent in a peak hour...
or
2) Be milked by a ISP that gives a pre-accorded quota to download anything I want, at any hour I wish, and throttles me down when I blow up that god damned quota.
Since leaving my country are, currently, out of the question, I choose to be milked using Option 2 - this way, I got screwed I bit less while milking my customers. :-)
Agreed.
However, history taught me that fighting for better laws tends to be more effective by "hurting" the pockets from the current laws beneficiaries than any other measure.
So, send that mail to your favorite senator - but "PLEASE SEED" too! :-)
What your provider does to you is not traffic shaping. It's a maximum data per month with a slowdown after the maximum has been reached.
Yeah, I know.
However, I don't have to care about the hour of the day if I wanna see that youtube HD video. *I* decide when I want o promote my torrent bandwidth, or when I need it to other users.
That monthly quota sucks, I agree. But - at least to me - it sucks less than having to adapt my Internet consume to what the rest of the my provider's consumers are doing at the moment!
Talk to the iranians. I think they have a solution for your scarcity. :-)
If the "Free Market" screws you, go for the Free and screw the Market.
This is exactly what bittorrents and other "generics" source of intelectual goods provides to you. Your wallet is not the only way you can use to vote.
I don't like this measure (it's what my provider does to me), but it works.
I have a limited amount of data each month to use at my full connection's bandwidth. When I overflow it, my bandwidth is throttled down.
This consumption can be monitored using my cable modem's MAC (or my phone's imei) , and the values are settled by contract.
Speaking frankly, It's a shit. Now and then I must restrain myself from downloading (now) that HD movie. But, hell, this works as a measure to prevent this situation.
Hummm.... Trying hard to push from my memory, I think I remember getting the Bonus Pack in a separate package. Not sure if it was inside the box, or if it came after.
I was one of the very first OS/2 users around here. I remember pre-ordering it, but I think this happened with the Warp 4 update. Now that you mention it, yes, I remember WebExplorer. But I'm pretty sure it wasnt available to 3.0 - I'm pretty sure I would not use GOPHER to get Netscape without a reason.
I'm pretty sure wasn't a server version.
Not yet.
But I can install meu own OS on my MP3 Player.
http://www.rockbox.org/
OS/2 never did have a port of Netscape 3, just 2.02 (with the 3 backend) and 4.61 (with the latest 4.7x fixes) there was briefly a 4.0.4 beta. Also you used Webexplorer to download Netscape.
I don't recall for sure the Netscape version, perhaps you are right.
However, when I bought OS2 Warp 3.0 (right after its launching), I'm pretty sure that a Browser didn't come on the installation CDs.
Instead, a README somewhere instructed to install the GOPHER, giving instructions how to fetch the browser using it. About this, there's no mistake.
sadly as it was Warp the first 2 hours of those hours was the damn thing starting up.
Good point, and you're absolutely right.
OS/2 3.0 was totally unusable on a machine with 4Mb RAM (a common setup in that time). With 8Mb, and you can think about doing something useful.
My machine had 16Mb or RAM, the de facto minimun to enjoy the S.O.
Try to setup and use OS/2 Warp 3.0.
THE BEST environment to run Win16 and Win32s Applications I ever had.
This beast used to run CorelDraw WITHOUT A SINGLE CRASH for hours. Honest.
(I still have my very own original Box, witth the CDs and the instructions about how to use GOPHER to fetch that fantastic Nescape 3.0 for OS/2!)
It was a smart move.
I ended up in a job with a lesser payment (probably because of the laid off), but 6 months later when a LOT of guys were fired (the company decided to shrink the department - somewhat I had envisioned by my previous experiences in this field), I already was employed, with my bills being paid, while a couple dozen of professionals (a very few of them so good or better than me) were struggling for a new position in the market.
I'm not a profet, I didn't knew for sure if the department will be, in fact, shrinked in the near future (and even by being shrinked, there was a chance of me being picked up to stay). But I didn't knew for sure if this mess can be prevented, and decided to play safe.
I was right this time (and a couple of other times).
Of course there was a time when I was wrong, but historically it appears I'm right a lot more than I'm wrong, so the net value is positive by now.
Why would they have their accounts suspended?
Why should, then, GITHUB shutdown a useful feature (the search!) in order to prevent data mining over that keys?
Pretty stupid or not, GITHUB is hurting everybody because of them.
So, or GITHUB are pretty stupid bastard themselves, or some of these keys can cause some serious havoc. I stand what I said : identify and suspend the idiots instead of fscking everybody!
You put a automated test in the same basket as an idiot that commit private keys to God knows what, and tells ME to think?=P
In a environment where idiots write code, you will never see a coder calling "idiot" to another.
Been there, saw that.
(I got fired, by the wat - I wasn't idiot enough!)
These stupid people should be had their accounts suspended.
People should be accountable for their actions, and these idiots are potentially compromising third party data security!
ICO didn't fined Sony for the information leak on that Anonymous attack? Why in hell GITHUB user's should be less accountable for things THEY ARE FSCKING COMMITING in their accounts?
That's a point. However...
Who in his sane mind would like to download a random JAR from the Internet and give it total control about your computer?
I agree that a more user friendly mechanism to give the VM the JAR's needed resources could be a good idea, but I really don't get this as one of the major Java's flaws. On Linux, that native launcher can be just a fscking bash script, by God's sake!
If you think that this is an unacceptable friction as a developer, feel free to try build a multiplatform application using .NET, C++ , Python or Perl. :-)
(hint: even Python has some serious idiosyncratic friction on the operating system: give the os.stat a peek for a example).
And no one bought the idea of the "Java/OS", anyway.
>Apple //e computer ... used slashies before the //c.
>anon coward's pics
I.... I forgot...
I'm going to have to claim old timer's disease.
--
BMO
Relax. That old computers from Apple were not famous for having a great memory! =P
+1 Informative, please.
From a user-experience point of view, doing that work to enable Java to work properly for Minecraft is an abortion.
Being this the main reason for what some (good) developers made the choice to write a tiny native launcher for their java programs.
I'm not defending their security practices (I disable the plug-in on my machines) but there may be real legal reasons why they are not liable and it has nothing to do with patent protection.
How much do plug-in users pay to use the plug-in?
Have you ever read the terms of use?
You can't really draw an analogy to an aircraft purchase transaction.
You have good points to be considered, thanks for sharing. (I really mean it).
However, let's keep (ab)using the aircraft analogy (good to use anything but cars around here!): if the travelling agency, using some lottery, grants you a free ticket to Hawaii and the plan crashes due a manufacturer's really stupid mistake (or negligence):
It's the manufacturer exempted of liability for this passenger because (s)he didn't paid for the ticket?
The fact is that Oracle has some kind of (strategic) revenue by maintaining Java. It's important to Oracle that people keeps using Java. They have some kind of (indirect) revenue from Java.
Exact the same way that travel agency when decided to sort a free ticket to Hawaii.
And it happens that Oracle had brought Sun because of Java (think on a really big travel agency that managed to buy a aircraft manufacturer!).
You're right that may be some good points to be exempt from liability. But receiving the software for free is not automatically one of them, IMHO.
No.
I think that Microsoft should adopt the IEC 60312-1 Standard.
It's the best and fastest way to deliver products that doesn't suck! :-)