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How a Chinese Hacker Tried To Blackmail Me

An anonymous reader writes "Slate provides the first-person account of a CEO who received an e-mail with several business documents attached threatening to distribute them to competitors and business partners unless the CEO paid $150,000. 'Experts I consulted told me that the hacking probably came from government monitors who wanted extra cash,' writes the CEO, who successfully ended the extortion with an e-mail from the law firm from the bank of his financial partner, refusing payment and adding that the authorities had been notified. According to the article, IT providers routinely receive phone calls from their service providers if they detect any downtime on the monitors of network traffic installed by the Chinese government, similar to the alerts provided to telecom providers about VoIP fraud on their IP-PBX switches. 'Hundreds of millions of Chinese operate on the Internet without any real sense of privacy, fully aware that a massive eavesdropping apparatus tracks their every communication and move...' writes the CEO. 'With China's world and ours intersecting online, I expect we'll eventually wonder how we could have been so naive to have assumed that privacy was normal- or that breaches of it were news.'"

146 comments

  1. Words mean things by chicago_scott · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a criminal, not a hacker.

    1. Re:Words mean things by ireallyhateslashdot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're half right. Criminals can be hackers, and hackers can be criminals. They aren't mutually exclusive.

    2. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The hacker vs. cracker war was lost a decade ago. Let it go. It is too ingrained now. The best you can do now is talk about the color of their hats.

    3. Re:Words mean things by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think he was referring to hacker vs cracker in the sense that "hackers are good, crackers are bad". He was saying "No hacking, good or bad, occurred here. Just good, old-fashioned criminal activity that just happens to involve a computer." This is mostly obvious by the fact he never mentioned the term "cracker".

    4. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the attacker gained access to the system by non-trivial means he was a hacker. Hacker doesn't mean he's on your side, just that he knows what he's doing. Cracker is a specific type of hacker.

    5. Re:Words mean things by h00manist · · Score: 1

      Perhaps words don't always mean things. Given how much of social life is dominated by lies and falsehood.

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    6. Re:Words mean things by eksith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if you mention The Gay Science, how many people do you know that think of Nietzsche? Terms change with the times. Not always for the better, but they do.

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    7. Re:Words mean things by Lisias · · Score: 1

      If the attacker gained access to the system by non-trivial means, derived from his/her own efforts, then he/she is a hacker.

      If the attacked gained access to the system by non-trivial means implemented by a government, and by lucky (or by incompetence of someone else) he/she happened to operate that non-trivial means, then he/she is just another opportunistic fellon.

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    8. Re:Words mean things by chicago_scott · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Blackmail is a crime not a hack.

    9. Re:Words mean things by Lisias · · Score: 0

      God damned dictionaries. "Fix" what is not broken, and doesn't correct me where I really need.

      Where I wrote "If the attacked", please read "If the attacker". =/

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    10. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      's/h/cr/'

    11. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is slashdot a National Enquirer wannabe?

      "a CEO" story from some obscure website twice over is the source of slashdot scoops?

      I'm "a nobody" who banged Jodi Foster and Ellen Degeneres in a menage a trois. Scoop this slashdot?

      Hundreds of millions of Chinese(American too?) operate on the Internet without any real sense of privacy, fully aware that a massive eavesdropping apparatus tracks their every communication and move

      Kettle calling the pot black much?

    12. Re:Words mean things by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's completely right. As a gov monitor the guy did not have to hack into anything. Everything was already there. Technically, he did not even have to use equipment in a different way as he was expected to - and blackmail hardly qualifies as "social engineering".

      No hack found here. Just a cheap and nasty case of corruption - but what else would you expect from a professional denouncer?

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    13. Re:Words mean things by ireallyhateslashdot · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure luck and government support == not a hacker. Hacks can rely (and succeed) or luck. Hacks can rely on incompetence (social engineering relies on the incompetence of others). And I'm not so sure that being paid by a government means that someone is not a hacker.

    14. Re:Words mean things by ireallyhateslashdot · · Score: 1

      Damnit. s/or/on/.

    15. Re:Words mean things by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      *waits to hear explanation for "fellon"...* :D

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    16. Re:Words mean things by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

      I'm "a nobody" who banged Jodi Foster and Ellen Degeneres in a menage a trois. Scoop this slashdot?

      Who hasn't? I even submitted pictures. All I got was just got an email asking me for more.

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    17. Re: Words mean things by bluness · · Score: 1

      If he said some Chinese car salesman was trying to blackmail him....would that change the fact that he is a car salesman or would I have to say "criminal". Some would argue that some car salesman are criminals too, but the use of the word just sounds ridiculous. I want to protect the word 'hacker' from exclusive association with the world of crime as the next guy but it sounds to me like some 'hacker' tried to blackmail him.

    18. Re:Words mean things by Guignol · · Score: 1

      cracker was implied by the term blackmail instead of whitemail

    19. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is "government suppont"?

    20. Re:Words mean things by m00sh · · Score: 1

      At the time, I was the chairman of a company that was building shopping centers in China. The company was a partnership of three entities: a major U.S. bank, a Chinese state-owned enterprise, and my firm. We were building centers in third- and fourth-tier cities. The anchor tenant was a multinational hypermarket. Nearly all the employees were Chinese. It was an exhilarating adventure for me, but it was of little consequence politically. The enterprise was building Chinese shopping centers in Chinese cities for Chinese consumers.

      A guy in China, with a company in China full of Chinese employees gets blackmailed in China through e-mail by an unidentified person.

      Headline reads "Chinese hacker ..."

      There is absolutely nothing in the story that says the nationality of the blackmailer was Chinese. It could have been anyone in the whole world. Just because the incident happened in China does not mean "Chinese hackers".

      Even in the US, nobody has any real expectation of privacy from unencrypted emails and website visits. Everyone knows that every e-mail you send can be read by an admin the IT department easily. Even websearch is recorded by google, every visit to a webpage tracked through advertising.

      Many attacks come from China because it is the best place to end traces. Attacks from US, Europe, Russia could easily be tracked back because of government monitoring and inter-government co-operations on monitoring whereas an attack source from China is a dead end. If I were to "hack" anything, the first thing I would do is find a Chinese "proxy" to do it through.

    21. Re:Words mean things by rizole · · Score: 1

      On a computer? He should patent that.

    22. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "what else would you expect from a professional denouncer?"

      Yeah, it's not as if US gov monitors would stoop this low.

    23. Re:Words mean things by atomicxblue · · Score: 1

      Sorta like the Venn diagram of the seedy underworld, then?

    24. Re:Words mean things by satuon · · Score: 2

      Do you mean that it's OK for the Chinese to do it, or do you mean that it's not OK for Americans to do it?

    25. Re: Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait a minute, I thought crackers were white people, not black...

    26. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The popular use of the word hacker implies he broke into a system to retrieve his information, preferably with some sort of coding or technical gymnastics involved. This Guy just used software that was available to him as part of his job.

      Therefore :he's not a hacker even in the popular sense of the word.

    27. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A hack, not a hacker: talentless bungler unsuited to their profession. Of the myriad ways to profit by inside information about a business, the least successful are those involving the exploiter's own unmasking. Presumably, most of Chinese intelligence community is above this sort of bungling.

    28. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To put the long story short, a prostitute discovered that a part of the job is to let clients stick their d**ks inside her. On a serious note, when do we draw the line? People do business with China because it's profitable. They did business with Nazis for the same reason. How much of evil do people need to encounter before they say "no more"?

    29. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 'fellon' is the singular, non-plural form of the word 'fellows', right?

    30. Re: Words mean things by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      You would say "car salesman", since "criminal" doesn't add any information.

    31. Re:Words mean things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I turned off dicionary? =P

  2. Titles by AG+the+other · · Score: 1

    I think the person that started this should be called what they were, a government censor and the Chinese government should realize corruption is an inevitable result of censorship.
     

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    1. Re:Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a government censor and the Chinese government should realize corruption is an inevitable result of censorship.

      The inevitable result of government itself is corruption.

      Arguing over minor facets is pretty pointless in the long run.

    2. Re:Titles by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      Actually... you should refine that to The inevitable result of financial incentive and/or monetary status is itself corruption.
      What are we; but slaves to finances?

    3. Re:Titles by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      The issue is the stupid shareholders and investors. The CEO will loose his or her job if they want to hire Americans who wont steal instead.

      Have you ever watched Shark Tank? Mark Cuban is on that show and basically unless you are willing to move to China they wont even talk to you! One lady went on and said she did just that and her supply copied her design and went around her and sold it at the major retailers for less cost and practically put her under. The investors with the exception of Cuban still didn't get it and just blamed her for not being innovative enough.

      Not hey perhaps giving away IP to China is not smart unless you can hire an army of patent lawyers first and grease the palms of government officials first. Idiots.

    4. Re:Titles by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

      The inevitable result of government itself is corruption.

      The inevitable result of humans living socially is corruption. Therefore, people should cease to be social animals because somewhere along the line someone will screw someone else over.

      The inevitable result of money is corruption. Therefore, we should abolish all monetary systems and the systems of distribution that depend on them.

      The inevitable result of monogamy is corruption. Therefore, we should embrace Brave New World sexual practices and everyone should sleep with everyone so no one will be jealous.

      Do you see your fallacy now?

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    5. Re:Titles by Lisias · · Score: 1

      What are we; but slaves to finances?

      I think you're holding, I mean, taking it wrong.

      We aren't slaves to finances. We're slaves to another people, that happened to control this weird thing called finances.

      Do not confuse the tool with the hand that wields it!

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    6. Re:Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we can go even further -- the inevitable result of material desire is corruption (since corruption can occur even in money-less societies).

    7. Re:Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually... you should refine that to The inevitable result of financial incentive and/or monetary status is itself corruption.
      What are we; but slaves to finances?

      I realize it's fashionable to denigate financiers on /., but any form of power can (but not must) lead to corruption; financial, political or even who gets to pitch for the local softball league.

      Morals are sadly lacking on all levels of society.

    8. Re:Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. tell us more about this "another people, that happened to control this weird thing called finances"

      Would these 'other people that control finances' include Rothschilds, Warburg, Schiff, Bernanke, Geithner?

    9. Re:Titles by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I think that corruption also requires laws and regulations that can be bent, or at the very least contracts.
      Material desire in itself doesn't seem enough.

    10. Re:Titles by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0

      The inevitable result of monogamy is corruption. Therefore, we should embrace Brave New World sexual practices and everyone should sleep with everyone so no one will be jealous.

      This is what I keep telling my fiancée, but she still seems sceptical.

      BTW, you should mark that up as <cite>Brave New World</cite>. Most UAs display it as italic, but semantically speaking, using <i> (yecch) or <em> is not the same at all.

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    11. Re:Titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but outside of organized crime it's hard to find a place in society where morals are harder to find that in the financial sector.

    12. Re:Titles by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      a government censor and the Chinese government should realize corruption is an inevitable result of censorship.

      The inevitable result of government itself is corruption.

      Arguing over minor facets is pretty pointless in the long run.

      Only because without government, there are no rules against which corruption can be judged.

  3. TLAs by foobsr · · Score: 1
    I recall that there were rumours that TLAs scanned e-mails for certain keywords which gave birth to sigsalikes containing lists of them. I am too lazy to determine the time this was (can't remember exactly, perhaps a decade ago), but I think the Chinese were not (really) on the net yet, thus did not invent the path to destroy privacy.

    CC.

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  4. No encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely if you let the chinese government attach a box to your server you encrypt the bajesus out of every single byte of data going in, out or stored on the server. To do otherwise just invites this kind of problem.

    1. Re:No encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they can attach a box to your server, they have physical access. From this time, the server is owned by them.

      But then, if you encrypt, you'd be guilty of a crime, I'm sure. I'm also sure that if you tried that in the US, you'd find yourself in a little hot water, too.

  5. just like home! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hundreds of millions of Chinese operate on the Internet without any real sense of privacy, fully aware that a massive eavesdropping apparatus tracks their every communication and move..

    ... just like Google! And Facebook! And half the Android apps!

  6. Indeed, you follow the money, you find the crime. by h00manist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Go to a financial power center, find the center of crime. Well dressed, groomed, prepared, by an army specialists in PR, marketing, design, security, privacy, and secrecy. But it is laying around there, somewhere. Most surely, the evidence and main coverup is in the security, legal, and accounting divisions. Enron was never alone.

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  7. Why not use encryption? by inglorion_on_the_net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand the summary, but riddle me this: Is there any good reason not to use end-to-end encryption?

    We've had PGP since 1991 and SSL and SSH since 1995. Some of these were developed in response to plaintext sniffing attacks. That means that the fact that communication in the clear is a security risk and the fact that there are people listening to your communications in order to obtain sensitive information haven't been news, and easy ways to protect your communications against this have been available, for over 15 years.

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    1. Re:Why not use encryption? by Kozz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...We've had PGP since 1991 and SSL and SSH since 1995 ... easy ways to protect your communications against this have been available, for over 15 years.

      I don't think that your definition of "easy" is the same as mine. I've worked with all kinds of operating systems, hardware, software, and so on. I've read TLDP while deciding how I wanted to configure the multitudes of flags for a new kernel on my Slackware box (Pentium MMX FTW!). I'm not afraid of trying new stuff or reading documentation to get it done. I've used PGP(GPG) and I'd say it's far from easy. I understand PKI principles on a superficial level, but to use PGP hasn't ever been intuitive to me.

      It's probably safe to say that a great number of people reading this post have had to field telephoned questions from relatives who didn't know how to download and install a Windows application. And you're telling me that PGP is easy? In the few cases I've used it, I've also had to give my colleagues or business partners tutorials on how to read or compose emails with it, because I'm the techie-guy, not them. And because of the high bar, there were very few people in personal or professional circles who could receive such a message.

      HTTPS is relatively easy to implement for administrators and it's transparent to most users, requiring little additional knowledge. I really do welcome the day when a PGP-like product is that easy to use.

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    2. Re:Why not use encryption? by EmperorArthur · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes,

      If part of your business is in china, and the government demands the ability to intercept its communications.

      Like the summary said, this was likely an official monitor looking to make some quick cash on the side. These are the people who legally have access to your most sensitive corporate secrets because the government says so.

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    3. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . I've used PGP(GPG) and I'd say it's far from easy.

      I've been using it a while and it seemed pretty easy to set up. Installing it basically consisted of pressing enter a few times to accept the defaults it gave me (the "press enter a few times" part generated a private key automatically), and installing a plugin for Thunderbird (this step not necessary if your mailer supports it natively, as many do). From there on, it's just a checkbox when I send a mail as to whether I want to encrypt.

      Granted it's not quite "double click an icon" simple, but it's not too far off that either. It bewilders me that more people don't use it, given the ubiquity of email harvesting for trackyourass purposes these days, and the ease of setting this up.

    4. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Way to miss the previous posters point.

      The point is "I may know how to set this up, but nobody else I could reasonably use it with does."

      The start of a secure communications channel starts with NOT handing something over in plain sight. As soon as that chain of custody is exposed, the entire chain is compromised. Sending encryption keys to China is a mistake waiting to happen.

    5. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a lot of businesses have a decision to make: is the potential profit from the Chinese market worth it?

    6. Re:Why not use encryption? by jamesh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't understand the summary, but riddle me this: Is there any good reason not to use end-to-end encryption?

      Encryption? Do you have something to hide there, comrade?

      That's the reason why.

    7. Re:Why not use encryption? by ntropia · · Score: 1

      I'm not convinced, and re-compiling the kernel seems like an extreme example to me.
      The point would be that users who don't know how the FFT works shouldn't be able to use Instagram (oh, boy, if I wish so...).
      The reality is that people use tons of complex algorithms every day without knowing it not because they are easy, but because they've been made easy for them and/or implemented in a transparent manner. Pretty much none of Gmail users even know what HTTPS stands for, but everybody started using it when Google decided it was going to be on by default.
      My point is that even if PGP is more complex of HTTPS, it could be made easier and much more transparent than it is now.

    8. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Anyone who is even marginally computer literate can set up pgp. My father can do it. There just isn't much to it. "Not knowing how" is meaningless when it's a quick google away. It's like saying, "I don't know when the treaty of Versailles was signed". I don't as of this moment, but as of this moment after 5 seconds of googling, I know it was 28 Jun 1911. We live in a world where information is at your fingertips.

    9. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does end to end encryption have to do with it? Would you mug a mail man or look in a mailbox? Ok, given your answer why all the concern with mailman-armor?

    10. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there any good reason not to use end-to-end encryption?

      Legalities. Using too high of encryption to send data out of the USA might be considered illegal by some authorities.

    11. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reason it's not ubiquitous is US federal laws on the encryption of export. That's what's blocked its proper use with PGP, and with proper 3DES 25 years ago for UNIX passwords, and what prevents the use of reasonably robust encryption built into network cards themselves. The restrictions on export have also been used as a bludgeon to threaten companies that provide *domestic* end-to-end encryption in their products.

      There have been attempts to get federal approval for such technologies, but *all* such approvied technologies involve someone in the government retaining access to either the private keys, or the signatures to sign new keys for a man-in-the-middle device to do a man-in-the-middle attack without telling the victims. Think I'm kidding? Take a good look at the Clipper Chip, which was only discarded when it was discovered that their "verified secure" technology violated at least 3 patents and could be used to make genuinely private keys despite their best efforts to have a "Law Enforcement Agency Field" to verify that Uncle Sam, or Bubba the KKK sherriff who thinks warrants are for wusses, would always have the private keys available.

      They dropped it like hotcakes as soon as someone found out you could use real keys and fake out the LEAF.

    12. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SSL. Cracked.
      SSH. Cracked.
      PGP. Cracked.

      What else ya got?

      ALL encryption has been broken now. All of it. Any home user can easily throw enough hardware at the problem cheaply to crack ANY encryption now.
      Anyone who wants in. WILL get in.

      Citation needed? Just go look if you havent been paying attention for the last 5 years....

    13. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comrade? You make it sound like it'd be different in the US. More underhanded, but ultimately the same.

    14. Re:Why not use encryption? by karbonforms · · Score: 3, Funny

      You appear to still not know, despite your googling. That would be 1919. You know, like, AFTER, world war one? I'm no historian, but no google required! lol

    15. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand the summary, but riddle me this: Is there any good reason not to use end-to-end encryption?

      Encryption? Do you have something to hide there, comrade?

      That's the reason why.

      Provide us with the encryption keys or serve years in prison for contempt of court. //US or English judge

    16. Re:Why not use encryption? by kwark · · Score: 1

      Please do give some sources for your claims. I suspect you are confusing cracking/hacking/breaking/bruteforcing encryption and finding leaks in key management.

    17. Re:Why not use encryption? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Encryption/decryption is easy, it's the key management and "web of trust" that isn't. The thing is, they made this way, way too complicated, theoretically correct and person-oriented. Who knows best if I'm the owner of account foo@domain.com? The domain, because I authenticate against them to collect my mail. I should be able to generate a PGP key and tell domain.com this is my public key. *Optionally* they should also be able to store my private key and let me rely on the safety of my password. On the sender's side, people should be able to just type in my email address foo@domain.com and try hitting a lock icon. That'll query the DNS record of domain.com for a key server (you'll probably want this separate from the MX servers, let's call this a KX server), it'll contact the KX server, ask for if foo@domain.com has a public key set and if it does return it. On the client side it should display a lock and a key fingerprint.

      Now you can start poking holes in all this. What if the DNS records are hijacked? DNS-SEC. What if the key server is compromised or they get a court order to fake your public key? You can have cached fingerprints warning you of change and run WoT on top if you wish. Or just call or contact via snail mail or IM or forum PMs or whatever you must, if it's that critical. Or companies could opt for the traditional CA method, all employee keys are signed by a company key signed by a CA that the sender may trust to verify that it's genuine. What if your email account it compromised? Well you could have a special lockdown password for your PGP key, so the server will refuse to replace it even if they got general access. Maybe it fails, but then you know this is just normal email not secure email and can choose to send or not.

      Of course the first time would be the biggest risk, but just try to verify it using out of band methods. You could print the fingerprint on your business card, include it on signup forms, anywhere you give people your email address you could optionally include it. It wouldn't be perfect but hell the world isn't perfect, either the sender's or recipient's machine could be trojaned and the bad guys read whatever they want, no matter if the transport is secure. It certainly wouldn't be possible to compromise on a mass scale, lots of people will test and verify that yes, if I query my own account from somewhere else I get my own key fingerprint back. Of course the downside is if you lose your key (and didn't opt for the server to keep it for you) or forget your password you're screwed, but that's what secure means. Companies will probably keep a copy of all employee keys anyway for many reasons.

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    18. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've obviously never encountered a genuine technophobic person. These people will do anything to avoid any learning or effort required in dealing with tech. Some of them are afraid their machine might explode if they press the wrong button, but most are just too damn lazy even to spend 5 seconds of googling. Even if using PGP were easy in every mail program, exchanging keys still takes real effort and there is no way around that and most people will never accept that.

    19. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand the summary, but riddle me this: Is there any good reason not to use end-to-end encryption?

      Encryption? Do you have something to hide there, comrade?

      That's the reason why.

      Just use encryption to sign your message.

      Authentication != encryption. These are always separate. An encrypted message can be modified/corrupted if not signed as well. For example, CBC encryption method is generally signed with HMAC or similar for authentication. Both are cryptography, but their purposes is different.

      Most of GPG/PGP mail is signed only, not encrypted.

    20. Re:Why not use encryption? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you did use end-to-end encryption, how is it going to keep out a corrupted official who has legal access to that system? He was given an account on the system to monitor various programs and documents, including the ones he threatened to leak to competitors.

      Assuming the Chinese government is as serious about ending corruption as they've claimed and, at times, shown... well, the next jobs the extorting official has are "shooting range dummy" and "landfill."

  8. block china by fazey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Honestly, people should really just block all of the chinese IP ranges. I've moved the sshd ports on my servers back to port 22 simply to see how many attempts and from who I get. 80% of the attempts at password cracking are on IP space owned by china. I've reported the IP space to their providers, as well as any email addresses in the SWIP info. Honestly? Screw them. I will block their entire f'ing country, and suggest that everyone else do the same.

    1. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I, as an otherwise intelligent but not terribly IP-au courant person, knew how to "block all of the Chinese IP ranges". I'm a specific example of a broad challenge, that is, how does somebody who uses the internet as a tool and not an end in itself, secure his stuff? Nobody can know everything, and not very many have time to figure this stuff out. Do we just give up? Stay off the net? How do we fix this?

    2. Re:block china by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Informative

      knew how to "block all of the Chinese IP ranges"

      Okean.com has the goods.

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    3. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They(and you) contribute more BS to the internet than good.

      Don't know about the other AC, but I've more than once found manuals in Chinese websites, while having no problem with them (despite, you know, not being able to read their language and having to try to decode the engrish). Just use a key for SSH and disable passwords and let them try to log in as root/root to their heart's content.

      So why do business with them at all?

      Why do business with anyone? Money.

    4. Re:block china by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

      Agreed. (and implemented years ago). I'd nevertheless run fail2ban, too. Just to reduce traffic and system load. No need to block whole countries, really. It's completely sufficient to block the bad guys.

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    5. Re:block china by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Want to block Chinese and Korean language emails even if they aren't relayed through mail servers in those countries?

      This guy lives in SAN FRANCISCO of all places and says this?

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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    6. Re:block china by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      This is how the internet dies. If it's not a global network, what's the point?

      It's also racist, but we all get a free pass when talking about Chinese hackers for some reason.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    7. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That works great until there's a wormable exploit for sshd. You're always best off restricting access to the IPs that need access,

    8. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A BETTER reason the block china: principle !!!
      They care to block their own user, but don't take the dignity of blocking attacks with their firewalls !
      I find that to be extremely insensitive !

    9. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not racist to do this if you are doing it because of the actions of the current Chinese govt. as opposed to 'not liking asias' or something.

    10. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has nothing to do with China. Lots of in-betweeners have access to your Internet communications, most notably employees (can you trust the sysadmin to work ethically?) and ISPs (who can monitor every packet). Your spouse or kids might be spying on you. The phone operators have extensive logs that are available to their employees.

      I myself worked for a company that delivered indoor camera monitoring systems for vacation homes. The boss had a habit of checking the pictures just to see that the system was working. I wanted to install password access protection and access logs viewable by the customers. The boss didn't want his access to be blocked or logged.

      And who knew about me, the developer in charge? What would have prevented me from installing whatever backdoors I wanted?

    11. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This worked until we had to deal with a client in China. To make things worse, there writing style looks even more like spam than real spam from China... (I they would just send us e-mail in Chinese, I could at least use Google translate to turn it into something readable.)

    12. Re:block china by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's what they want.  Maybe they don't want people in their country to see sites that are hosted on your servers.

      Just sayin'...I'm sympathetic because I have the exact same problems.

    13. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not racist, as nobody here is talking about their race, and the reason for block is not the color of their (yours?) skin.
      We just block the bad guys from our servers, as we have a reason to believe, that their activity is what "kills the Internet".

    14. Re:block china by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you think the internet will die if it's not global and wanting to be secure from constant cyber attacks is racist.
      Go in the living room and be quiet while the adults talk.

  9. Re:China is our friend! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But there were lots of American companies manufacturing high tech devices used for phones, computing, communications, military and satellites in 1982. General Dynamics, IBM, RCA, AT&T just to name a few, and none of which could be reasonably characterized as communist.

    Reagan wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm sure he would have heard of at least two of those.

  10. Re:China is our friend! by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

    Meh, it wouldn't have been that big of a deal. Thirty years ago they were making similar jokes about Japan.

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    "From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
  11. Re:China is our friend! by evanism · · Score: 1

    ARGH! Edit... bloody ipad missed my typing...

    "American companies are deliberately having Chinese companies manufacturing high tech devices"

    --
    Just bought a new quantum computer, but I'm uncertain how it works.
  12. Re:Who This 'CEO' ? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

    A 'CEO' "payed' "$150,000" to ... shut up the complaint ?

    No he didn't. He refused to pay the extortion.

  13. Re:Indeed, you follow the money, you find the crim by foobsr · · Score: 1

    Go to a financial power center, find the center of crime. Well dressed, groomed, prepared, by an army specialists in PR, marketing, design, security, privacy, and secrecy. But it is laying around there, somewhere. Most surely, the evidence and main coverup is in the security, legal, and accounting divisions. Enron was never alone.

    Bad thing that the criminals are those who are seen as successful. Somehow, values clarification did not work in the past century (so the starting point, strangely, coincides with the establishment of the Federal Reserve System - no, i will not mention the air of the "Elders of Zion" - forgery or not - except in a side note).

    CC.

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  14. It's blackmail by a government censor&spy agen by h00manist · · Score: 1

    In China it is very heavy handed and abusive. In others, very subtle and well disguised. But. Every country has numerous entities monitoring what everyone does online. And there's usually nobody monitoring the monitors.

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    Build your own energy sources from scratch. http://otherpower.com/
  15. china teaching the wild west by cenerentolo · · Score: 1

    how it is done in the world of un privacy and wannabe anti piracy

  16. Re:Who This 'CEO' ? by we3 · · Score: 1

    oh crap they're monitoring us. everybody play it cool or they'll shut off our supply of iphones and ipads.

  17. privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what time period are we living in, is this the early 90's?

    1. Re:privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rule of thumb has always been: Never say anything in a phone call, email, or text that you wouldn't want to hear repeated back in an open courtroom. That probably now applies to any postal mail and any electronic communication.

  18. does he think the US doesnt monitor stuff too? by decora · · Score: 2

    ever heard of Fusion Centers, the TSA, the NSA , etc etc etc?

    granted we dont have widespread extortion and bribery - often because those programs are supposed to be secret.

    1. Re:does he think the US doesnt monitor stuff too? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that all a fusion center is is a place to facilitate contact and cooperation between local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, right? They don't sit there and snoop on every little bit of internet traffic, or watching every car on the street with redlight cameras. At best they may do some analysis of intelligence they receive, but they don't gather the evidence themselves.

      --
      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    2. Re:does he think the US doesnt monitor stuff too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical conspiracy theorist, folks. Nothing to see here.

    3. Re:does he think the US doesnt monitor stuff too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "we dont have widespread extortion and bribery"

      Heh, kids say the darndest things.

  19. Don't tar SSH with your antique notions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SSH works out of the box.

    OpenSSH on linux distros and PuTTY for windows, dropbear on embedded crap.

    My 80+ year old alzheimers Dad can use SSH and he has never taken a computer course in his life. Totally not exaggerating or kidding. If you can't learn how to use SSH in half an hour, you are not competent to drive a car or use a telephone.

  20. what about the innocents? by decora · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China is full of people who want to reach out to the other countries and talk with us... how can it be good to break them off?

    1. Re:what about the innocents? by fazey · · Score: 1

      This wouldn't stop them from talking to us. When you talk to someone over instant messenger, their IP never speaks directly to yours. Companies like google(gtalk), act as a middle man(DMZ? lol) for the information. But expect prying eyes on that conversation. What a lot of people in China used to do, was buy a Server, or VPS in another country. Then VPN to it from China. So information from them to the server was encrypted. Then sent out in whatever protocol was needed. This became popular enough that the Chinese expanded the abilities of their firewall to kill VPN. It will re-emerge, just with a different protocol. I would be surprised if there wasn't another way around it already... like VPN on a different port, or a specific algorithm that was harder to find.

    2. Re:what about the innocents? by wisty · · Score: 1

      They can't kill VPN, unless they only allow https on whitelisted sites, or MITM all non-whitelisted SSL.

    3. Re:what about the innocents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not kidding. I spent last year in China and after the People's Congress it was a real PITA to get around the new automated restrictions that they put in place. But, within a couple months the VPN service I was using had it figured out.

      Cutting people in China off from the rest of the world, just serves to support the government's propaganda. I regularly hear the most astonishing beliefs about China being circulated. It's as if these people have never been to China, even though they're claiming to be citizens. Clearly, they've never been to real China, as in China outside the areas that the government maintains an image in. The rural areas would disabuse you of such notions quite quickly.

    4. Re:what about the innocents? by fazey · · Score: 1

      Sure can. I believe someone invented an algorithm to detect VPN. The Ciphers are a bit different, also... the ports being used would be a pretty good giveaway. Additionally http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/21/china_blocks_vpns/

  21. WTF?? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Funny

    This alleged extortion plot happened in 2007

    1. Re:WTF?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds about right for /.

    2. Re:WTF?? by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but someone at Slashdot messed up and clicked the approve button too soon. The story was scheduled to run in 2017.

  22. Go into China and not expect this? by bagboy · · Score: 0

    Come on. It is really naive of anyone associated with business with and in foreign countries to not think they would be monitored and possibly have information used against them while on the internet. Personally, I think it says a lot about the individual who seems like this is some big surprise. Possibly he really wasn't qualified for that line of work if he couldn't expect the end results.

  23. privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saw one of those investigative crime shows on TV about some cop-turned-rapist in California using police computers to "research" his victims before committing his crimes.
    You better assume any form of electronic communication is monitored.

  24. Re:It's blackmail by a government censor&spy a by wisty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Try getting a job at the NSA. You'll be security-screened up the wozoo, and then face 10 years in the slammer if you leak. Ask Manning.

    There's also a lot of security - no USB drives, no internet (they'll have 2 computers, one of which can only access a LAN where the confidential information is kept), audits, lots of rules, etc. Manning used a CD burner. I'm betting that's going to be a bit harder to do now.

  25. Who are YOU talking about? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    It's probably safe to say that a great number of people reading this post have had to field telephoned questions from relatives who didn't know how to download and install a Windows application.

    We're not talking about your grandma or dad or uncle Joe...

    We're talking about a fairly substantial company doing business in China.

    Common sense and perhaps (if they had it) internal security *should* have suggested encryption for critical business communications with the Mother Ship.

    --
    If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
    1. Re:Who are YOU talking about? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I set up a connection from the US to Singapore, and we set up something fancy and new, a VPN. Though this was 15+ years ago, not current-day, so I'm sure this unreliable and newfangled tech will never catch on. Every email would get sent over the VPN and out the US connection.

  26. Re:It's blackmail by a government censor&spy a by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

    I suspect the buzzing on your phone isn't coming from your phone. It's coming from the implant in your head. Have you checked for signs of alien abduction? I suspect that you may fit nicely in another demographic.

    --
    Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
  27. Beware of all Chinese companies. by moneybabylon · · Score: 0

    Beware of getting involved with Chinese companies.

    I have seen several business friends in the technology industry dealing with Chinese businessmen - turns out their companies were all owned by the People's Liberation Army.

    At the end, they all suffered losses and getting their technologies stolen and copied. They also found bugging devices and spyware installed by the Chinese businessmen.

  28. Monitoring devices by weegiekev · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please take this article with a pinch of salt. I was working in Shanghai in 2008 and spent a few years out there. We had a server room, leased lines, an ICP license. Yes, the internet there was filtered and monitored, but that was all done at the ISP level or beyond. I've never heard of any situation where the government installed a monitoring device attached to a server. I really doubt that's what happened, and it sounds like the person quoted in the article doesn't work in IT. Most likely they had a managed leased line and the telecoms provider was being proactive about the service. That's not uncommon.

    I heard a lot of speculation and fears from colleagues who came over. I had our HR manager tell me how she knew her blackberry was getting monitored because she could hear it getting tapped. Seriously, your mobile doesn't get routed through an analogue exchange with a tape recorder attached. There's a lot of misunderstanding and mistruths that get spread around. That's not to say censorship doesn't happen. A number of people I know had blog posts removed because of sensitive keywords - that actually seemed to be regarded as pretty normal, and they weren't worried about being dragged away for a 'cup of tea' with the authorities. The reality is generally a lot more normal that you'd imagine though.

    In terms of what happened to the CEO's mail account, I think it's much more likely that their machine was compromised with malware. Malware is rife in China, mostly as there's still a huge amount of software piracy. I've seen plenty of download sites in China with files riddled with trojans. Given that their personal email was also broken into, it does sound like their machine was compromised rather than line monitoring. The device attached to the server? I don't buy it...

    1. Re:Monitoring devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, they do have monitoring devices for internet traffic.

      Typically a huaiwei router doing sniffing for keyword traffic that then gets passed to local PSB level monitors.
      I can take a photo for you of one in a day or so if you want. I get to maintain stuff that connects to them, basically you ensure that everything is encrypted and goes through a vpn so they don't get to do much sniffing..

    2. Re:Monitoring devices by weegiekev · · Score: 1

      If they're providing client routers whic is doing that it's news to me. Would be very interested to know details though. To be honest I wouldn't see the point, it wouldn't be able to do anything you can't do upstream. Re the original article, the suggestion was there was a device inside their network. Again, I really doubt that.

  29. What sort of story is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evil(?) Chinese(?): "Hi, give me money, here's stuff from you I'll distribute to your competitors if you don't."
    CEO's Lawyer: "No. The authorities are notified."
    Evil(?) Chinese(?): "Ok, forget about it."

    Where's that a story for this site?

    1. Re:What sort of story is this? by Arancaytar · · Score: 2

      Uh... the part where someone tried to extort six figures for stolen business information?
      In what universe is that not a story?

  30. Marlon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that you, Marlon? Moving on from MMOs, I see...

  31. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a little confusing though. the internet is dying cuz of thinks like this on here, i mean i think there might be a pinch of racism to this, especially when you start to hear countries like china or Nigeria... oh well. My website is here BTW incase anyone might wanna help with a review. :)

  32. this summary is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and you should feel bad

  33. Re:It's blackmail by a government censor&spy a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like you don't have ADHD, but just had a bit too much of that cocaine.
    Paranoia and irrational thinking are two good signs you're just having a bad trip man.
    Just try to chill, it'll all be better when you get your next hit.

  34. Global crimes merit a global response by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

    Crimes that occur on the World Wide Web are by definition international crimes. They cannot, then, be properly investigated or prosecuted by any national entity. A new global authority is needed for that.

    Seeing how our previous attempts (NATO) of international collaboration have worked out I'm not exactly sanguine that this will occur in my lifetime, but it will have to be addressed eventually. Alternatively, we could just drop some bombs on China. I don't really care.

  35. Give it up. the word "Hacker" has been long lost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hacker == criminal computer break-in artist.

    We lost the war. Give it up.

    We lost the term. It no longer means someone who cleverly just can make a computer system do something it wasn't designed to do.

    The term "hacker" has been successfully stolen by the media. It's gone forever. Finished.

    Accept it and move on.

  36. Re:Who This 'CEO' ? by webdragon · · Score: 1

    oh crap they're monitoring us. everybody play it cool or they'll shut off our supply of iphones and ipads.

    Please do!, Shut off the supply. I'm tired of the hipster garbage icrap. In the past year I have been in two car accidents, One cause by a hipster texting on his iphone and the second they were using a ipad as a map.

  37. Re:Words mean things, or not .... by oh21 · · Score: 1

    Way back in the good old days, before politicians and the news became aware of technical stuff (not technology). Some folks called them criminal hackers "crackers" and used hacker to mean technology "right-stuff." Politicians and most talking-heads could not understand how culture and race of white-crackers learned technical stuff. Anyway; hackers are not criminals, all crackers are criminals, and politicians or talking heads and most C*Os are RFClueless (intentional).

  38. Re:Words mean things, or not .... by oh21 · · Score: 1

    How was the access restricted corporate information obtained? Was the corp office physically breached? Was the copy/info hardcopy or digital? IMO maybe a cracker was involved and did break US laws.

  39. Re:Words mean things, or not .... by oh21 · · Score: 1

    IMO - Possession of stolen property knowingly is a crime, and the stolen property was obtained by cracking. Being in possession of the property IMO would be a cracker act.

  40. Have You Ever Heard of Encryption? by sudon't · · Score: 0

    What else did he know? What else was there to know? Who was doing this? Why? What did other people already know? Was there anything about me they didn’t know, or couldn’t misconstrue to their advantage?

    Have you ever heard of encryption?

    It should be standard on every e-mail app, just like it's standard on every router. I would love to encrypt all of my e-mail, but my friends are either too lazy, or too technically illiterate, to install and use it. If it was part of setting up your e-mail, well, the world would be a better place. Tell ya what, though: If I were doing business in a place China, (or Russia, or Cuba, etc.), I would insist upon it. But, who knows what servers your e-mail gets bounced around on as it is?

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    -- sudon't

    Air-ride Equipped

    1. Re:Have You Ever Heard of Encryption? by Kittenman · · Score: 2

      What else did he know? What else was there to know? Who was doing this? Why? What did other people already know? Was there anything about me they didn’t know, or couldn’t misconstrue to their advantage?

      Have you ever heard of encryption?

      It should be standard on every e-mail app, just like it's standard on every router. I would love to encrypt all of my e-mail, but my friends are either too lazy, or too technically illiterate, to install and use it. If it was part of setting up your e-mail, well, the world would be a better place. Tell ya what, though: If I were doing business in a place China, (or Russia, or Cuba, etc.), I would insist upon it. But, who knows what servers your e-mail gets bounced around on as it is?

      Totally agree. Yonks ago it was said that an email is about as private as a postcard. Sending private or business-sensitive information over the email is just foolish.

      And don't start the 'yes but encryption can be hacked' chain. Replace "Uncle Bill" with [company name] and "Plums" with [financial amount] and the sentence "Uncle Bill wants the plums by Friday for the pie he's making" is meaningless to anyone without the key. Cryptography's been around since before Caesar.

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      "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
  41. Re:It's blackmail by a government censor&spy a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait,,,hold on now!!! NSA has lots of rules? Screw that! I want to work at a government agency that has no rules and lets me do whatever I want!

  42. Re:It's blackmail by a government censor&spy a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IBM's global tentacles stretch throughout the cocaine industry, even in Iraq.

    I don't think I've seen conspiracy theories about Big Blue since the early 90's...its refreshing to see it again.

  43. OMG! by bolanskidrow · · Score: 1

    Oh my god, this guy is a criminal!! China is full of smart and opportunistic guys that want to do business without ethics or moral rules. Take take with it.

  44. echelon??? remember that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whoever thinks that our (americas) internet is not fully monitored is plain stupid. -go back to reading your iPad.

    anybody remember the days when we sent out emails & communications w/ trigger words to try and cause the echelon system to hick-up.. maybe expose a vulnerability?

    that was like 15-20 years ago!!

    that system that monitored all electronic communications was sold to police and re-branded carnivore i do believe.

        I still have the risk-assessment document of possibility of economic abuse of the joint UK/USA system...
    so just imagine what the joint UK/USA or CIA or NSA system(s) are like today. They are tied into every wireless carrier, every major back-end company like google.. key routers & switches..

    get over it, its not new.

  45. As if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As if the U.S. isn't spying on us all already. This kind of thing makes me laugh. It's absurd to think that Bush didn't start the spying and that the DHS/FBI/DEA etc. are not knee-deep in your email already. In fact, the FBI has been doing it for decades. Don't believe it? Watch 'The Spy Factory' on Nova. At least the Chinese know they are being spied on. Americans go la de dah about it and think they're immune.