Dumb ass mother fuckers think if they wear one article of clothing with the word "Dockers" stitched to it they can anything else they want around it, any way they want to. It just isn't so.
Even more amusing are the dumb-ass motherfuckers who wear suits and ties and think that it actually makes them look like imposing professional specimens of male virility. When in fact they're just advertising that they're too stupid to do anything useful, and therefore must be in management. Or sales.
All people needed to do to keep their "dress themselves" privileges was dress in a way that didn't make them repulsive. They couldn't even do that.
And I'm just sure that you're a glowing example of physical beauty who makes women swoon just by walking into the room. At least until you make the mistake of opening your mouth.
We've already proven over the last >100 years that people cannot be left to their own devices when it comes to operating a vehicle, so why not do something about it?
Well, by your own argument hundreds of thousands of people a year die of heart disease, most of it brought on by eating poorly and exercising infrequently. So why not outlaw fatty foods and legislate mandatory exercise programs?
Perhaps because it flies in the face of personal freedom, a principle upon which this country was supposedly founded on?
I think for most parents, it's less brainwashing and more "I need a break", that gets really convenient and at the same time gets the kid hooked on accepting that trash as entertainment.
Probably the same set of parents who regularly feed their kids Children's Tylenol in order to keep them sedated, and later switch off to Ritalin.
It's already bad enough that stupid little punks blare music louder than a jackhammer out of their cars, and that morons who insist on talking on their cell phones have the same performance as drunks behind the wheel, but now we're letting people install TVs and computers in their vehicles? Oh, just fucking dandy - as if using the roads weren't already dangerous enough even when people are actually paying attention, now they get to distract themselves with sitcoms and web browsing!
I think the next vehicle 'improvement' we'll see is a roll-cage and titanium plating, to protect ourselves from all the irresponsible assholes to wrapped up in replying to their email or downloading porn to watch the road.
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hell today there are thousands that write books, songs, plays, movies, etc... for 100% free never expecting a penny in return.
Hey there, fuckwit! Please tell us what YOU do so we can pass a law outlawing the ability to make a profit from it! After all, you should provide whatever service you're skilled at "for 100% free, never expecting a penny in return".
Right? Oh, wait; that only applies to the efforts of OTHER people, doesn't it? Guess you don't like starving....
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My problem is with assholes like you who thinks it's perfectly ok to abuse a system and other people.
Another snot-nosed kid who couldn't find his ass with both hands. I see who haven't graduated from high school yet; or if you did, you shouldn't have, as reading comprehension seems to be entirely beyond you.
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And you have no right to stop me from downloading it for free. Its my hardware and my bandwidth, and you can't tell me what to do with it.
Sure I can. So long as it falls within the purview of the Constitution (which copyright does, in case you're one of the stupid fuckers who's never read it) I have every right to tell your free-loading punk ass what to do. Unless you decide to amend the Constitution to outlaw copyrights and patents there isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it.
But if you do decide to amend the Constitution, then please enlighten us as to what YOU do. I'll make sure we include in the list of occupations that no one has a 'right' to make money from.
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Which is precisely why there were no works of art produced before copyright law was enforced.
Fortunately it isn't up to folks like you to decide which endeavors are worthy of the opportunity to make a profit and which are not. If it were I'm sure that you'd be screaming about how 'plumbing wants to be free' every time a pipe burst in your home, simply so you wouldn't have to pay for repairs.
What is the point of learning how to better human life if we place no value on it?
Your argument breaks down completely right there. You blithely assume that any mass of cells which *may* someday become a human infant is one of the "unborn", as you put it, and therefore deserving of the same rights as an actual human being existing in this world. For this I call bullshit; an embryo is not a human being, nor will it ever be one unless it actually comes to term.
As for moral arguments, I suggest you spend your time and energy arguing for those human beings who are actually living suffering in the world around you *right now* than those that one day might be, if allowed to develop and come to term. Once you take care of all of those who're already in the world perhaps then I'll give your argument some measure of credence.
Until then I can and will call a mass of cells not-human, fit to be disposed of in any way we see fit.
The idea that these so-called "hackers" are any better at detecting sociological/political trends than anyone else is just another name for geek elitism. A particular talent in programming (or "hacking", if you somehow think that's more cool) doesn't confer exceptional insight into anything other than coding.
The article, on it's face, is just an intellectual hand-job for the nerd set.
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I have no respect whatsoever for people who try to limit my freedom in order to "make money".
And I have no respect whatsoever for little brats who think they're somehow morally justified in taking what I've produced simply because they can. If I write a book and you want a copy of that book, you can goddamn well pay for it. Don't want to pay for it? Then fuck off already; you have no 'right' to make a copy of that book to avoid the gate fee.
Patents and copyrights should only be there to encourage creativity. Nothing more.
The only way they "encourage creativity" is by allowing folks like me to profit from our endeavors. Otherwise we'd be working as garbagemen or lawyers or programmers and spending our free time on more important things, like family. And then you wouldn't have the opportunity to buy the book, the music, or the invention at all.
And don't go off on any college-kid horseshit about 'artists' doing their thang anyways, in the copious amounts of time they have after spending 8-12 hours a day working at a job, then taking care of the family, then trying to find some small amount of time for personal entertainment, or projects, or chores, or household repairs. It doesn't happen very often in the real world, Skippy. Without the lure of money and the ability NOT to work away our lives first at a paid job, and then an UNPAID job on top of that one, many of us have no problem telling those of you who yammer on about the 'greater good' to go fuck yourselves.
If you see the world as a gravy train you're entitled to ride, you can write your own damned books, make your own damned music, and come up with your own damned inventions. But then, if you had any ability at all to do any of these things, you wouldn't be flipping burgers at McDonald's, now would you?
Yes. Not even remotely human. And guess what? Your opinion, like mine, is just that - nothing more. You don't have a moral high ground and you don't speak from authority; you're just a nameless peon, like the rest of us.
Don't like your views being challenged? Hey, then fuck you too!
I suppose you have not had to deal with convincing religious folks on science.
I have. And I think we should ignore them. Why allow a bunch of ignoramuses to dictate how the rest of us live? How we advance science? How we do anything, for that matter?
Recent history has been a constant struggle by religious freaks to oppress science altogether and stop change in its tracks, from Galileo on up to the present. So far we've won nearly all the battles, and the religious become less powerful with each passing year. This wasn't done by convincing anyone, especially the government, that we were right and the religious twits were wrong; most of the time it was done by scientific types going ahead and conducting their research *anyway*.
No matter how many laws are passed, no matter how loud the cry of the terminally stupid, someone, somewhere is going to ignore the freaks and keep on trucking. That's a good thing, in my opinion.
Human cloning is simply sick and wrong. There are lines not to cross in the search for knowledge, and this is one of them.
And if the majority of us decide that you're sadly mistaken and we aren't going to pay attention to what you think about the matter? What're you going to do about it?
Like it or not many people see this kind of research as mass produced abortion.
And I think these people are fucking morons. They have the right to speak, but not the right to be heard. Hopefully those of us who aren't idiots steeped in religious claptrap will be the ones to decide the issue.
It's ridiculous that people who least understand the research hold the strongest opinions about it and try to stop it from happening.
Because ignorant fuckers - usually religious fanatic ignorant fuckers - love to meddle in things which they can't possibly comprehend and have no business commenting on. But that's what our Founding Fathers meant when they said you have to take the stupid, evil drivel along with the insightful if you're going to have truly free speech.
And if you don't believe in souls the entire question is moot. You'll have to come up with some other definition of when that mass of cells becomes 'human'.
Maybe some of the pro-choice-at-any-cost wackos will change their minds after they hear about experiments being carried out on the unborn
That has about as much chance of working as getting the anti-choice if-you-jack-off-you're-killing-potential-unborn-ch ildren morons to reconsider their extremist views.
And, no, just because it is an embryo doesn't make it right.
And yes, just because it's an embryo and can't possibly be considered to be even remotely human except by a few wild-eyed fanatics, it DOES make it right.
Evil and ignorant religious extremism aren't strangers; in fact, they're bedfellows.
embryos may not be fully grown or humans to you or me - but they are to several people.
So what? There are minorities all over the world who believe in various types of horseshit. Just because they believe it doesn't mean I or anyone else is required to pay attention. They have the right to speak, but they don't have the right to be heard.
Nature clones all the time. It's called "twins". I don't see people engaging in hysterical hand-wringing over the birth of twins.
Or worse, combining genetic manipulation with cloning, creating "super-humans"
How the hell could this be a bad thing? Making your kids stronger, faster, smarter, immune to genetic diseases? Damn straight we should be trying to make them better than we are.
If we can make a handcuff that doesn't accidentally slip off the wrist of a criminal, then we can certainly make a medical bracelet that's equally secure. No need for a chip.
My SSN is "just a number", and yet I absolutely have to have it to function in American society without major hassles, or its equivalent if I'm a foreigner. Yet my SSN is now linked with a huge amount of information concerning a great many things that have NOTHING to do with Social Security!
Stores might modify the anti-theft RFID readers at their entrances in order to read your tag, to allow law enforcement officials to track the movements of a wanted person - especially those nasty shoplifters. It's all for "the greater good", right?
But that means that government will be able to track anyone, anywhere, any time they enter a 7-11, a bookstore, a movie theater...keeping records on every place you go. Might even be able to scan you at a gas station when you stop to fill up. I can think of so many "greater good" uses for the tag, and an equal number of ways the information can be abused to completely screw whatever privacy we have left.
"Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" Psalms 137:9
"I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire will be for your husband." bible god punishing Eve-Genesis 3:16
"David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines; and David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king's son-in-law." 1 Samuel 18:27
"Any animal which has its testicles bruised or crushed or torn or cut, you shall not offer to the Lord or sacrifice within your land..." bible god-Leviticus 22:24
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Moses-Numbers 31:17
"When men fight with one another, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall have no pity." bible god-Deuteronomy 25:11
If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." Dt.13:6-10
If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die." Dt.21:18-21
Happiness is smashing your little children with rocks. Ps.137:9
Beating your children will make them less foolish. Have you beaten your child today? Pr.22:15
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. Mt.10:35-37
Jesus says that his disciples must hate their families (mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, children) and themselves. Lk.14:26
If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." Dt.13:6-10
Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. Dt.17:2-7
Don't associate with nonchristians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 Jn.10
God explains how to go about selling your daughter -- and what to do if she fails to please her new master. 21:7
Rape of a slave woman is to be punished by scourging the victim (the slave woman) -- but the rapist's sins "shall be forgiven him." 19:20-22
Kill rape victims if they fail to cry out loud enough. Dt.22:23-34
A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. Dt.22:28-29
If your god's word is a constant, and he actually exists, we're in seriously deep shit.
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Dumb ass mother fuckers think if they wear one article of clothing with the word "Dockers" stitched to it they can anything else they want around it, any way they want to. It just isn't so.
Even more amusing are the dumb-ass motherfuckers who wear suits and ties and think that it actually makes them look like imposing professional specimens of male virility. When in fact they're just advertising that they're too stupid to do anything useful, and therefore must be in management. Or sales.
All people needed to do to keep their "dress themselves" privileges was dress in a way that didn't make them repulsive. They couldn't even do that.
And I'm just sure that you're a glowing example of physical beauty who makes women swoon just by walking into the room. At least until you make the mistake of opening your mouth.
Max
We've already proven over the last >100 years that people cannot be left to their own devices when it comes to operating a vehicle, so why not do something about it?
Well, by your own argument hundreds of thousands of people a year die of heart disease, most of it brought on by eating poorly and exercising infrequently. So why not outlaw fatty foods and legislate mandatory exercise programs?
Perhaps because it flies in the face of personal freedom, a principle upon which this country was supposedly founded on?
Max
I think for most parents, it's less brainwashing and more "I need a break", that gets really convenient and at the same time gets the kid hooked on accepting that trash as entertainment.
Probably the same set of parents who regularly feed their kids Children's Tylenol in order to keep them sedated, and later switch off to Ritalin.
Max
It's already bad enough that stupid little punks blare music louder than a jackhammer out of their cars, and that morons who insist on talking on their cell phones have the same performance as drunks behind the wheel, but now we're letting people install TVs and computers in their vehicles? Oh, just fucking dandy - as if using the roads weren't already dangerous enough even when people are actually paying attention, now they get to distract themselves with sitcoms and web browsing!
I think the next vehicle 'improvement' we'll see is a roll-cage and titanium plating, to protect ourselves from all the irresponsible assholes to wrapped up in replying to their email or downloading porn to watch the road.
Max
hell today there are thousands that write books, songs, plays, movies, etc... for 100% free never expecting a penny in return.
Hey there, fuckwit! Please tell us what YOU do so we can pass a law outlawing the ability to make a profit from it! After all, you should provide whatever service you're skilled at "for 100% free, never expecting a penny in return".
Right? Oh, wait; that only applies to the efforts of OTHER people, doesn't it? Guess you don't like starving....
Max
My problem is with assholes like you who thinks it's perfectly ok to abuse a system and other people.
Another snot-nosed kid who couldn't find his ass with both hands. I see who haven't graduated from high school yet; or if you did, you shouldn't have, as reading comprehension seems to be entirely beyond you.
Max
And you have no right to stop me from downloading it for free. Its my hardware and my bandwidth, and you can't tell me what to do with it.
Sure I can. So long as it falls within the purview of the Constitution (which copyright does, in case you're one of the stupid fuckers who's never read it) I have every right to tell your free-loading punk ass what to do. Unless you decide to amend the Constitution to outlaw copyrights and patents there isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it.
But if you do decide to amend the Constitution, then please enlighten us as to what YOU do. I'll make sure we include in the list of occupations that no one has a 'right' to make money from.
Max
Which is precisely why there were no works of art produced before copyright law was enforced.
Fortunately it isn't up to folks like you to decide which endeavors are worthy of the opportunity to make a profit and which are not. If it were I'm sure that you'd be screaming about how 'plumbing wants to be free' every time a pipe burst in your home, simply so you wouldn't have to pay for repairs.
Max
What is the point of learning how to better human life if we place no value on it?
Your argument breaks down completely right there. You blithely assume that any mass of cells which *may* someday become a human infant is one of the "unborn", as you put it, and therefore deserving of the same rights as an actual human being existing in this world. For this I call bullshit; an embryo is not a human being, nor will it ever be one unless it actually comes to term.
As for moral arguments, I suggest you spend your time and energy arguing for those human beings who are actually living suffering in the world around you *right now* than those that one day might be, if allowed to develop and come to term. Once you take care of all of those who're already in the world perhaps then I'll give your argument some measure of credence.
Until then I can and will call a mass of cells not-human, fit to be disposed of in any way we see fit.
Max
The idea that these so-called "hackers" are any better at detecting sociological/political trends than anyone else is just another name for geek elitism. A particular talent in programming (or "hacking", if you somehow think that's more cool) doesn't confer exceptional insight into anything other than coding.
The article, on it's face, is just an intellectual hand-job for the nerd set.
Max
I have no respect whatsoever for people who try to limit my freedom in order to "make money".
And I have no respect whatsoever for little brats who think they're somehow morally justified in taking what I've produced simply because they can. If I write a book and you want a copy of that book, you can goddamn well pay for it. Don't want to pay for it? Then fuck off already; you have no 'right' to make a copy of that book to avoid the gate fee.
Patents and copyrights should only be there to encourage creativity. Nothing more.
The only way they "encourage creativity" is by allowing folks like me to profit from our endeavors. Otherwise we'd be working as garbagemen or lawyers or programmers and spending our free time on more important things, like family. And then you wouldn't have the opportunity to buy the book, the music, or the invention at all.
And don't go off on any college-kid horseshit about 'artists' doing their thang anyways, in the copious amounts of time they have after spending 8-12 hours a day working at a job, then taking care of the family, then trying to find some small amount of time for personal entertainment, or projects, or chores, or household repairs. It doesn't happen very often in the real world, Skippy. Without the lure of money and the ability NOT to work away our lives first at a paid job, and then an UNPAID job on top of that one, many of us have no problem telling those of you who yammer on about the 'greater good' to go fuck yourselves.
If you see the world as a gravy train you're entitled to ride, you can write your own damned books, make your own damned music, and come up with your own damned inventions. But then, if you had any ability at all to do any of these things, you wouldn't be flipping burgers at McDonald's, now would you?
Max
Not even remotely human???
Yes. Not even remotely human. And guess what? Your opinion, like mine, is just that - nothing more. You don't have a moral high ground and you don't speak from authority; you're just a nameless peon, like the rest of us.
Don't like your views being challenged? Hey, then fuck you too!
Max
I suppose you have not had to deal with convincing religious folks on science.
I have. And I think we should ignore them. Why allow a bunch of ignoramuses to dictate how the rest of us live? How we advance science? How we do anything, for that matter?
Recent history has been a constant struggle by religious freaks to oppress science altogether and stop change in its tracks, from Galileo on up to the present. So far we've won nearly all the battles, and the religious become less powerful with each passing year. This wasn't done by convincing anyone, especially the government, that we were right and the religious twits were wrong; most of the time it was done by scientific types going ahead and conducting their research *anyway*.
No matter how many laws are passed, no matter how loud the cry of the terminally stupid, someone, somewhere is going to ignore the freaks and keep on trucking. That's a good thing, in my opinion.
Max
Human cloning is simply sick and wrong. There are lines not to cross in the search for knowledge, and this is one of them.
And if the majority of us decide that you're sadly mistaken and we aren't going to pay attention to what you think about the matter? What're you going to do about it?
Max
Like it or not many people see this kind of research as mass produced abortion.
And I think these people are fucking morons. They have the right to speak, but not the right to be heard. Hopefully those of us who aren't idiots steeped in religious claptrap will be the ones to decide the issue.
Max
It's ridiculous that people who least understand the research hold the strongest opinions about it and try to stop it from happening.
Because ignorant fuckers - usually religious fanatic ignorant fuckers - love to meddle in things which they can't possibly comprehend and have no business commenting on. But that's what our Founding Fathers meant when they said you have to take the stupid, evil drivel along with the insightful if you're going to have truly free speech.
Max
And if you don't believe in souls the entire question is moot. You'll have to come up with some other definition of when that mass of cells becomes 'human'.
Max
Maybe some of the pro-choice-at-any-cost wackos will change their minds after they hear about experiments being carried out on the unborn
h ildren morons to reconsider their extremist views.
That has about as much chance of working as getting the anti-choice if-you-jack-off-you're-killing-potential-unborn-c
Fanatics are, by definition, unreasonable.
Max
And, no, just because it is an embryo doesn't make it right.
And yes, just because it's an embryo and can't possibly be considered to be even remotely human except by a few wild-eyed fanatics, it DOES make it right.
Evil and ignorant religious extremism aren't strangers; in fact, they're bedfellows.
Max
embryos may not be fully grown or humans to you or me - but they are to several people.
So what? There are minorities all over the world who believe in various types of horseshit. Just because they believe it doesn't mean I or anyone else is required to pay attention. They have the right to speak, but they don't have the right to be heard.
Max
Nature clones all the time. It's called "twins". I don't see people engaging in hysterical hand-wringing over the birth of twins.
Or worse, combining genetic manipulation with cloning, creating "super-humans"
How the hell could this be a bad thing? Making your kids stronger, faster, smarter, immune to genetic diseases? Damn straight we should be trying to make them better than we are.
Max
If we can make a handcuff that doesn't accidentally slip off the wrist of a criminal, then we can certainly make a medical bracelet that's equally secure. No need for a chip.
Max
STOP THE FEARMONGERING.
My SSN is "just a number", and yet I absolutely have to have it to function in American society without major hassles, or its equivalent if I'm a foreigner. Yet my SSN is now linked with a huge amount of information concerning a great many things that have NOTHING to do with Social Security!
I think a bit of fear-mongering is in order here.
Max
Stores might modify the anti-theft RFID readers at their entrances in order to read your tag, to allow law enforcement officials to track the movements of a wanted person - especially those nasty shoplifters. It's all for "the greater good", right?
But that means that government will be able to track anyone, anywhere, any time they enter a 7-11, a bookstore, a movie theater...keeping records on every place you go. Might even be able to scan you at a gas station when you stop to fill up. I can think of so many "greater good" uses for the tag, and an equal number of ways the information can be abused to completely screw whatever privacy we have left.
Max
"Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!"
Psalms 137:9
"I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire will be for your husband."
bible god punishing Eve-Genesis 3:16
"David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines; and David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king's son-in-law."
1 Samuel 18:27
"Any animal which has its testicles bruised or crushed or torn or cut, you shall not offer to the Lord or sacrifice within your land..."
bible god-Leviticus 22:24
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Moses-Numbers 31:17
"When men fight with one another, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall have no pity."
bible god-Deuteronomy 25:11
If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death."
Dt.13:6-10
If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die."
Dt.21:18-21
Happiness is smashing your little children with rocks.
Ps.137:9
Beating your children will make them less foolish. Have you beaten your child today?
Pr.22:15
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other.
Mt.10:35-37
Jesus says that his disciples must hate their families (mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, children) and themselves.
Lk.14:26
If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death."
Dt.13:6-10
Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own.
Dt.17:2-7
Don't associate with nonchristians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them.
2 Jn.10
God explains how to go about selling your daughter -- and what to do if she fails to please her new master.
21:7
Rape of a slave woman is to be punished by scourging the victim (the slave woman) -- but the rapist's sins "shall be forgiven him."
19:20-22
Kill rape victims if they fail to cry out loud enough.
Dt.22:23-34
A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels.
Dt.22:28-29
If your god's word is a constant, and he actually exists, we're in seriously deep shit.
Max