We would first establish a continuously inhabited moon base, begin to build some infrastructure. This would make the leap to Mars SO much more practical!
Everything we need for going to Mars (assuming we'd want that in the first place) is right here on Earth. On the Moon there's nothing but a cold dead vacuum. It makes absolutely no sense to go the Moon first.
Children can't speak. The parents gave it the ability and method, therefore the parents are the speakers, and the child is simply their mouth. Children don't exist without their parents.
It gives us the observers a glimpse into another psyche different from our own and that's fascinating, it's almost a form of telepathy.
Except that in most cases, the artist feels one thing, and the viewer feels something entirely different.
Here, there's no psyche, no inside world to look at, and so it's uninteresting.
Just by looking at the paintings, you wouldn't guess that, so they are equally interesting. Proof: the audience liked these better than the stuff made by 'real' artists.
Every amino acid, not just the essential ones. 50% protein actually. Liver is only 25%
Proteins aren't everything. Liver also contains a large amount of vitamins (A, D, and several of the B's in large quantities), and heme iron that's easily absorbed by the body.
It's true that most plants haven't got much B12, but yeast isn't a plant, it's bacteria.
Gonna be hard to accept the death of a loved one at the hands of IoT-grade code driven by Greed.
Yeah, so much better to be killed by someone playing on their iPhone while driving, or by someone speeding on icy roads because they wanted to be home a minute earlier.
If Tesla (or other company) has a bug in their software that kills someone, who goes to jail?
Over the years, we've had plenty of deadly accidents due to design mistakes in bridges, airplanes, cars, heavy equipment, tools, etc, etc... who went to jail for those ?
the communities that have the longest living populations (such as various Mediterranean regions
Meat has always been popular around the Mediterranean. Beef, lamb, goat, and plenty of seafood. For some reason (I blame Ancel Keys, who visited the area during Lent), people have popularized the idea that the Mediterranean diet was low in meat. That's just wrong.
There are plenty of stories in the news of kids from vegan parents suffering from malnutrition, even death. And some of the deficiencies could be very subtle, and develop over many years.
Poor nutrition is already costing us billions in healthcare. Just the cost of diabetes is over $250 billion per year, most of which could be avoided by better food.
I agree we have the capability to come up with a fake meat product that is just as nutritionally good as real meat, but there is no incentive for the producer to do so, except when ordered by law. And the law is dictated by corporate lobbyists, so there's not much hope. We're still dealing with trans fats, for instance, even though we know they are bad for us.
Well, you need to run about 7.5 mph, which I wouldn't call "slow". And very few 90 kg men can keep that up for long enough to burn a large amount of calories.
A lot of the time spent "hunting" is actually spent sitting still
I was commenting on the GP who said "performing intensive ways of obtaining food", such as running for 8 hours after the kudu, as from the link to the youtube video I posted up the thread.
No, there are lots of things cows cannot make from plants. That's why they have 4 stomachs, where they get a lot of help from a bunch of microorganisms to do all the hard work for them.
as you can get everything you need from a varied vegetarian or vegan diet.
Deficiencies in vitamin D, calcium, iron, zinc, and especially B12 are pretty common among strict vegans. And that's just the obvious things we know. To get enough B12 as a strict vegan, you basically need supplements, as it is not naturally found in plants. For the other nutrients, you need to spend considerable effort to get a diet that's balanced and varied enough. Just for a fun challenge: try to come up with a vegan menu that contains all nutrients that you can find in a 1 oz serving of liver (that's one good bite)
I think that if hunting was an inefficient activity humans would not have continued doing it for millions of years.
Exactly. And if you look at our physical differences with other great apes, pretty much everything you see makes us better (long distance) runners. Humans have lost most of their body hair, to make sweating more effective. We have less muscles overall to save weight and increase flexibility, efficient bipedal motion, bigger buttocks, more flexible neck, and long tendons to act as springs to store energy. This suggests that persistence hunting was not a fad. It was a major phase in our development as a species.
No, the iron in meat, and its red color, is from myoglobin, made locally in the muscle cells. The blood is drained during butchering, and growing muscle cells aren't gobbling up red blood cells to get their iron. Iron endocytosis is mediated by transferrin.
Thanks for the correction. Nevertheless, transferrin is made in the liver, not in the muscle, so the overall point still stands.
If a substance doesn't kill you right away and tastes good, people will eat it.
That was my point. However, that doesn't mean it's good for long term health. Trans fats also taste good and don't kill you right away. They do kill you 25 years down the road.
The real point of vegetarianism/veganism is to live in harmony with the Earth, reducing your consumption of energy by choosing the simplest path available to sustain yourself.
Do vegans/vegatarians think that predatory animals are not living in harmony with the Earth ?
it very well can be that more calories were burned running, than a dead animal can provide.
No way. That animal weighs about 250 kg, and will easily provide 125 kg of edible meat, at about 3000 kcal/kg. I'm guessing the 8 hour run would cost somewhere between 3000 and 6000 kcal, depending on how fast he was going.
Humans are not carnivores
Humans are omnivores, eating both meat as well as plants, roots, nuts, and seeds. Meat is high in calories and high in nutrients, and it's much easier to get all your essential nutrients from meat.
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The more countries trying to get us off this rock the better. Too bad the USA isn't in that list.
There's not "getting us off this rock". They're going to plant another flag, maybe pick up some rocks and do some science, and then come back home.
We would first establish a continuously inhabited moon base, begin to build some infrastructure. This would make the leap to Mars SO much more practical!
Everything we need for going to Mars (assuming we'd want that in the first place) is right here on Earth. On the Moon there's nothing but a cold dead vacuum. It makes absolutely no sense to go the Moon first.
Children can't speak. The parents gave it the ability and method, therefore the parents are the speakers, and the child is simply their mouth. Children don't exist without their parents.
It gives us the observers a glimpse into another psyche different from our own and that's fascinating, it's almost a form of telepathy.
Except that in most cases, the artist feels one thing, and the viewer feels something entirely different.
Here, there's no psyche, no inside world to look at, and so it's uninteresting.
Just by looking at the paintings, you wouldn't guess that, so they are equally interesting. Proof: the audience liked these better than the stuff made by 'real' artists.
induce such emotional experience in human audience.
The audience liked them, so it probably did.
Every amino acid, not just the essential ones. 50% protein actually. Liver is only 25%
Proteins aren't everything. Liver also contains a large amount of vitamins (A, D, and several of the B's in large quantities), and heme iron that's easily absorbed by the body.
It's true that most plants haven't got much B12, but yeast isn't a plant, it's bacteria.
Yeast doesn't have B12.
Volvo is marketing this is a warning system for large animals:
http://support.volvocars.com/i...
Gonna be hard to accept the death of a loved one at the hands of IoT-grade code driven by Greed.
Yeah, so much better to be killed by someone playing on their iPhone while driving, or by someone speeding on icy roads because they wanted to be home a minute earlier.
Yes, just like bored 16 year olds routinely bring down planes... oh, wait...
I'm just not comfortable giving private industry an active hand in whether I live or die
They already do every time you step in a plane, cross a bridge, get in a CT scanner, board a train, use medication, and many other things.
If Tesla (or other company) has a bug in their software that kills someone, who goes to jail?
Over the years, we've had plenty of deadly accidents due to design mistakes in bridges, airplanes, cars, heavy equipment, tools, etc, etc... who went to jail for those ?
Most Indians do eat dairy products though.
the communities that have the longest living populations (such as various Mediterranean regions
Meat has always been popular around the Mediterranean. Beef, lamb, goat, and plenty of seafood. For some reason (I blame Ancel Keys, who visited the area during Lent), people have popularized the idea that the Mediterranean diet was low in meat. That's just wrong.
It's hard to NOT get the nutrients you need from a plant based diet
Provably untrue. Where would you get your vitamin B12 for starters ?
It's probably easier to suffer malnutrition from eating too much meat rather than not eating any meat.
Unlikely. Meat is very filling. Protein digestion is rate limited.
Tell me, where did the seed tissue for growing this "meat" come from?
Voluntarily donated by the lab assistant.
There are plenty of stories in the news of kids from vegan parents suffering from malnutrition, even death. And some of the deficiencies could be very subtle, and develop over many years.
Poor nutrition is already costing us billions in healthcare. Just the cost of diabetes is over $250 billion per year, most of which could be avoided by better food.
I agree we have the capability to come up with a fake meat product that is just as nutritionally good as real meat, but there is no incentive for the producer to do so, except when ordered by law. And the law is dictated by corporate lobbyists, so there's not much hope. We're still dealing with trans fats, for instance, even though we know they are bad for us.
Well, you need to run about 7.5 mph, which I wouldn't call "slow". And very few 90 kg men can keep that up for long enough to burn a large amount of calories.
A lot of the time spent "hunting" is actually spent sitting still
I was commenting on the GP who said "performing intensive ways of obtaining food", such as running for 8 hours after the kudu, as from the link to the youtube video I posted up the thread.
cows can produce it all from a few plants,
No, there are lots of things cows cannot make from plants. That's why they have 4 stomachs, where they get a lot of help from a bunch of microorganisms to do all the hard work for them.
as you can get everything you need from a varied vegetarian or vegan diet.
Deficiencies in vitamin D, calcium, iron, zinc, and especially B12 are pretty common among strict vegans. And that's just the obvious things we know. To get enough B12 as a strict vegan, you basically need supplements, as it is not naturally found in plants. For the other nutrients, you need to spend considerable effort to get a diet that's balanced and varied enough. Just for a fun challenge: try to come up with a vegan menu that contains all nutrients that you can find in a 1 oz serving of liver (that's one good bite)
I think that if hunting was an inefficient activity humans would not have continued doing it for millions of years.
Exactly. And if you look at our physical differences with other great apes, pretty much everything you see makes us better (long distance) runners. Humans have lost most of their body hair, to make sweating more effective. We have less muscles overall to save weight and increase flexibility, efficient bipedal motion, bigger buttocks, more flexible neck, and long tendons to act as springs to store energy. This suggests that persistence hunting was not a fad. It was a major phase in our development as a species.
No, the iron in meat, and its red color, is from myoglobin, made locally in the muscle cells. The blood is drained during butchering, and growing muscle cells aren't gobbling up red blood cells to get their iron. Iron endocytosis is mediated by transferrin.
Thanks for the correction. Nevertheless, transferrin is made in the liver, not in the muscle, so the overall point still stands.
If a substance doesn't kill you right away and tastes good, people will eat it.
That was my point. However, that doesn't mean it's good for long term health. Trans fats also taste good and don't kill you right away. They do kill you 25 years down the road.
But current research indicates that humans burn appr. the same amount of calories doing nothing or performing intensive ways of obtaining food.
Not really. Doing nothing burns about 2000 kcal/day. Top athletes can burn up to 1000 kcal/hour.
You assume that a sole hunter would hunt one animal for himself only
No I don't.
You also assume that the hunter would be able to find and kill a large animal every day.
No I don't.
Lean meat is certainly not high in calories
I never said "lean meat", I said "meat". The kudu in the video isn't just lean meat. It's the whole animal.
The real point of vegetarianism/veganism is to live in harmony with the Earth, reducing your consumption of energy by choosing the simplest path available to sustain yourself.
Do vegans/vegatarians think that predatory animals are not living in harmony with the Earth ?
it very well can be that more calories were burned running, than a dead animal can provide.
No way. That animal weighs about 250 kg, and will easily provide 125 kg of edible meat, at about 3000 kcal/kg. I'm guessing the 8 hour run would cost somewhere between 3000 and 6000 kcal, depending on how fast he was going.
Humans are not carnivores
Humans are omnivores, eating both meat as well as plants, roots, nuts, and seeds. Meat is high in calories and high in nutrients, and it's much easier to get all your essential nutrients from meat.