"Getting a dental checkup and going AWOL isn't serving."
That is one of the fake partisan claims. AWOL is a specific charge, and no-one felt that Bush committed this crime or brought him up on it. The "Bush went AWOL" claim is a false charge and a litmus test of a (left) wingnut sure as Clinton causing Arkansas suicides is a litmus test of a (right) wingnut.
"And at the time, being in the Air National Guard (and even showing up) wasn't serving either."
Like it ir not, it is a branch of the military, and service in it is service.
"If you counterfeit either of these but leave both of the original intact, you're still de-valuing the originals and still stealing in the eyes of the government"
Only if you actually stole the "Mona Lisa" in order to make the exact copy. The government crime codes make a distinction between counterfeit and theft. One certainly is not the other "in the eyes of the government". Have you ever bothered to look at lists of laws and crimes?
"but your argument is a straw man. Plain and simple."
I'm just pointing out the fact that just because something is illegal, that does not mean it is theft. You probably do not know what "straw man" means in this contect.
"If you counterfeit either of these but leave both of the original intact, you're still de-valuing the originals..."
Besides, you did not even think your analogy through. When someone copies music through p2p, they don't go around claiming that the copy is the original. Likewise, there are countless copies of the Mona Lisa in print and other forms, and they do not claim to be the original. That printed copy in your art textbook might devalue the original, however: you don't have to go to the Louvre to see what it looks like now. The limb of "devaluing" has nothong to do with the theft subject. It's a red herring.
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"do you think they can figure it out without first going through a lot of ass-covering and denial?"
Check Canseco's account. There's ass-UNcovering and denial.
"That being said, sports and l33tness aren't exclusive groups. However, hockey is more my taste:P"
Yeah, hockey is cool. The college playoffs have been exciting. You know, someone out to try making big national professional leagues to play ice hockey. It might go somewhere.
"We've had two Presidents in a row who dodged the draft"
Neither did, when you look into it. Clinton was not actually dodge, and Bush served (albeit what many would call poorly) in a section of the United States military during the time. Partisan enemies of both have trumped up false accusations.
Not only that, George W. Bush put a boot sector error in my hard disk lask week. Is there nothing that diabolical genius Rove won't stop at in order to distract me from the "Ignored Important Issues" (TM) ?
"So the book sucks and has nothing to do with Sci-Fi, Fantasy or Technology. I'm confused, why is it being reviewed here?"
This has everything to do with tech, as in videogames. What is MLB any more than something that provides material to EA for one of its sports games? After reading this, you will not be surprised when they add the hypo needle icon to the setup for the players in the game.
"Uhm, yeah. Steroids are "biotech". Nice justification for submitting a baseball story review to/."
What would it take to satisfy you? Sordid accounts of Jose Canstrikeout injecting nanoprobes into the ass of McGwire ("Mack McGwaa" as Ted Kennedy calls him).... followed by rhe recruitment of "Inning 7 of 9" to the Toronto Blueborg team?
"As for power: do you really need it for Joe User functions?"
If you don't care about power, you could get a complete Pentium 2 system with Linux on it, loaded with drives and features missing on the Mini (probably even a monitor, too!) for much less than the price of Mini. You could probably get 3 or so such systems for the price of the Mini.
"Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. Not only is the Mini over-priced, but it's under-powered too."
Has anyone figured out how much a PC of similar speed, capabilities, and features as the Mini would cost? I am guessing it would be between 1/2 and 3/4 the cost of the Mini.
"Sounds more like a fool trying to reason his existance for all his illegal music files"
There is no logic to that. Pointing out the fact that one illegal situation is not another illegal situation is not a justification for one of the illegal situations. If someone objects when you call a rape a murder, do you say that they are trying to justify the rape? Same thing.
"but out-right THEFT of content via P2P (such as that cited by the OP) is just that: THEFT" "It's not copyright infringement, its CONTENT THEFT"
Theft requires a taking. If you copy something, and leave the original still sitting there, the taking requirement is not met.
Unless p2p systems DELETE the originals when/after they are copied, they just can't be theft. Come back if you ever find a p2p system that involves theft.
Place it here:
http://pub10.bravenet.com/forum/831600272
Make the file name and version as the first words.
and don't forget to tell us about your favorite butterfly.
"shelved album so they can buy it instead of having to steal it via P2P?"
Sounds like one tool talking to another, if you have bought into the ludicrous claim that it is possible to STEAL just by engaging in possible copyright infringement. They've won you over if you are already using RIAA-speak.
"If you want to listen to the music on your own equipement, then *gasp*, buy the CD"
You mean buy it, rip it, and then sell the CD? That's possible, I guess. The problem is buying the CDs. With mail order, shipping is expensive. The CD stores are far away, and don't really care about customers (they have such limited hours).
But why put up with this since the technology has been around for years now to transfer perfect music over the Internet?
"but I've never had the DRM hinder me in any way. I've heard that the files won't stream to a few of the wireless jukeboxes out there, and that sucks, but I can't believe that would be the reason many of these people are using this program."
Last time I checked, about 60% of the digital music players out there are NOT iPods. They play regular unencumbered MP3s, and not crippled AAC files. I have a few myself, and I have no iPod. With this DRM-remover, I'd be able to buy iTunes files, convert them to MP3 without the kludge hassle of burning to CD and re-ripping them, and listen to them on my hardware / portable players.
With so many MP3 players out there, I think this would be the major reason to use the program.
"Nobody is advocating stealing anything from Apple"
Unless there is a hack that deletes the files from Apple's servers when they are downloaded, it is impossible to steal using these iTMS and related programs.
Bleep would be nice if they had music and a web site. The page is horridly designed: light green letters on a light green background. The "let's make this site look like a piece of bleep" idea. Every music artist I searched for came up "no matches". While iTMS and Napster have a lot of holes, they do have a substantial catalogue. And their web designers have moved beyond basic design goofs.
"I'm sure linux will help them manage their NON EXISITING bank accounts."
Give them email accounts, and they will quickly fill these bank accounts:
"Dear Sir, Confidential Business Proposal
Having consulted with my colleagues and based on the information gathered from the Nigeri^H^HBrazillian Chambers Of Commerce And Industry, I have the privilege to request your assistance to transfer the sum of $47,500,000.00 (forty seven million, five hundred thousand United States dollars) into your accounts. The above sum resulted from an over-invoiced contract, executed, commissioned and paid for about five years (5) ago by a foreign contractor. This action was however intentional and since then the fund has been in a suspense account at The Central Bank Of Nig^H^H^HBrazillian Apex Bank."
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That is one of the fake partisan claims. AWOL is a specific charge, and no-one felt that Bush committed this crime or brought him up on it. The "Bush went AWOL" claim is a false charge and a litmus test of a (left) wingnut sure as Clinton causing Arkansas suicides is a litmus test of a (right) wingnut.
"And at the time, being in the Air National Guard (and even showing up) wasn't serving either."
Like it ir not, it is a branch of the military, and service in it is service.
Only if you actually stole the "Mona Lisa" in order to make the exact copy. The government crime codes make a distinction between counterfeit and theft. One certainly is not the other "in the eyes of the government". Have you ever bothered to look at lists of laws and crimes?
"but your argument is a straw man. Plain and simple."
I'm just pointing out the fact that just because something is illegal, that does not mean it is theft. You probably do not know what "straw man" means in this contect.
"If you counterfeit either of these but leave both of the original intact, you're still de-valuing the originals..."
Besides, you did not even think your analogy through. When someone copies music through p2p, they don't go around claiming that the copy is the original. Likewise, there are countless copies of the Mona Lisa in print and other forms, and they do not claim to be the original. That printed copy in your art textbook might devalue the original, however: you don't have to go to the Louvre to see what it looks like now. The limb of "devaluing" has nothong to do with the theft subject. It's a red herring.
Check Canseco's account. There's ass-UNcovering and denial.
Yeah, hockey is cool. The college playoffs have been exciting. You know, someone out to try making big national professional leagues to play ice hockey. It might go somewhere.
Neither did, when you look into it. Clinton was not actually dodge, and Bush served (albeit what many would call poorly) in a section of the United States military during the time. Partisan enemies of both have trumped up false accusations.
yeah. something REAL like.... Star Trek! Yeah, you tell em!
Not only that, George W. Bush put a boot sector error in my hard disk lask week. Is there nothing that diabolical genius Rove won't stop at in order to distract me from the "Ignored Important Issues" (TM) ?
This has everything to do with tech, as in videogames. What is MLB any more than something that provides material to EA for one of its sports games? After reading this, you will not be surprised when they add the hypo needle icon to the setup for the players in the game.
What would it take to satisfy you? Sordid accounts of Jose Canstrikeout injecting nanoprobes into the ass of McGwire ("Mack McGwaa" as Ted Kennedy calls him).... followed by rhe recruitment of "Inning 7 of 9" to the Toronto Blueborg team?
"If you think that you haven't taken anything then a file consisting of nothing but one's should satisfy you then?"
The poor state of the copied file is not at question here. The persisting presence of the original is what negates theft.
Maybe he'll get around to a steroid book someday. I'll have to wait until his "Roidless Joe" novel.
If you don't care about power, you could get a complete Pentium 2 system with Linux on it, loaded with drives and features missing on the Mini (probably even a monitor, too!) for much less than the price of Mini. You could probably get 3 or so such systems for the price of the Mini.
Has anyone figured out how much a PC of similar speed, capabilities, and features as the Mini would cost? I am guessing it would be between 1/2 and 3/4 the cost of the Mini.
The hassles I referred to involved the DRM. I don't consider converting AAC to MP3 much of a hassle...unless there is DRM on the AAC to prevent this.
There is no logic to that. Pointing out the fact that one illegal situation is not another illegal situation is not a justification for one of the illegal situations. If someone objects when you call a rape a murder, do you say that they are trying to justify the rape? Same thing.
"but out-right THEFT of content via P2P (such as that cited by the OP) is just that: THEFT" "It's not copyright infringement, its CONTENT THEFT"
Theft requires a taking. If you copy something, and leave the original still sitting there, the taking requirement is not met.
Unless p2p systems DELETE the originals when/after they are copied, they just can't be theft. Come back if you ever find a p2p system that involves theft.
Place it here: http://pub10.bravenet.com/forum/831600272 Make the file name and version as the first words. and don't forget to tell us about your favorite butterfly.
Sounds like one tool talking to another, if you have bought into the ludicrous claim that it is possible to STEAL just by engaging in possible copyright infringement. They've won you over if you are already using RIAA-speak.
You mean buy it, rip it, and then sell the CD? That's possible, I guess. The problem is buying the CDs. With mail order, shipping is expensive. The CD stores are far away, and don't really care about customers (they have such limited hours).
But why put up with this since the technology has been around for years now to transfer perfect music over the Internet?
Hell no. I found a haystack of crap and no needle. The only clue you left was a 15-day trial period and a 6 character app name.
Last time I checked, about 60% of the digital music players out there are NOT iPods. They play regular unencumbered MP3s, and not crippled AAC files. I have a few myself, and I have no iPod. With this DRM-remover, I'd be able to buy iTunes files, convert them to MP3 without the kludge hassle of burning to CD and re-ripping them, and listen to them on my hardware / portable players.
With so many MP3 players out there, I think this would be the major reason to use the program.
Unless there is a hack that deletes the files from Apple's servers when they are downloaded, it is impossible to steal using these iTMS and related programs.
Bleep would be nice if they had music and a web site. The page is horridly designed: light green letters on a light green background. The "let's make this site look like a piece of bleep" idea. Every music artist I searched for came up "no matches". While iTMS and Napster have a lot of holes, they do have a substantial catalogue. And their web designers have moved beyond basic design goofs.
Give them email accounts, and they will quickly fill these bank accounts:
"Dear Sir, Confidential Business Proposal Having consulted with my colleagues and based on the information gathered from the Nigeri^H^HBrazillian Chambers Of Commerce And Industry, I have the privilege to request your assistance to transfer the sum of $47,500,000.00 (forty seven million, five hundred thousand United States dollars) into your accounts. The above sum resulted from an over-invoiced contract, executed, commissioned and paid for about five years (5) ago by a foreign contractor. This action was however intentional and since then the fund has been in a suspense account at The Central Bank Of Nig^H^H^HBrazillian Apex Bank."