but you won't trust SDI because the software might be Buggy?
They don't have to worry, by their logic, bugs in the software for the ICBM's will cause them to land so far off course that the SDI won't have to knock em' down anyway;-)
...and how much do their lobbyists and their puppet politicians get?
They get 30% and the RIAA gets 100%. How, you ask? The artists will have to pay a 30% "protection fee" for the protection against piracy the RIAA has bestowed upon them.
It's too late! They've already crashed in Texas and phase 2 of their plot has begun: to enslave the minds of our top polticians! Those close to the president have noted an increased appetite for dirt lately...
While everything you said is true-enough, I'm not sure how it is a reply to the grandparent's argument. The grandparent didn't say this wasn't "a breach of due process" or "a breach of his rights" or even that our government isn't "increasingly moving towards a totalitarian ideal ", they just said this wasn't a case of being "disappeared". If someone says "disappeared" to me, I think kidnapped by the government without a trace. This is a case of being kidnapped by the government in front of everyone with a really weak excuse. Clearly he'd be in deeper shit if people weren't watching what was happening to him and saying he was "disappeared" is an attempt to falsely sensationalize this situation. I think the situation is sensational enough as it is and we shouldn't need to be deceptive about it.
Another great place to find loki games that wasn't mentioned in the article is used bookstores. I'm not sure if they're a nation-wide chain, but Half-priced books in columbus, OH usually has a bunch of loki linux games that I guess people probably bought thinking they were windows games. You can get most of them for a buck or two. I also found copies of quake3 a year ago at microcenter for $3! Though, I suppose at this point thats probably what you would expect to pay anywhere...
If slashdot is your source for accurate coverage than you already have a pretty screwed up view of the world
I put everything through the bullshit filter just like everyone else. I certainly don't read slashdot because I expect false information and I think it's perfectly alright to point it out when it happens. Ideally, it shouldn't, and this is significantly worse than a dupe. I respect the work the editors do, but I think critisism is a good thing in these cases. I grade papers at school and I'm very glad to have people point out any mistakes I make.
Slashdot is absolutely not liable at all for anything that gets posted here, otherwise they would be required not only to edit article posts, but also censor user comments and verify moderation.
huh? I said they're liable for the articles they post. What do user comments have to do with that? The editors have ultimate control of what articles get posted. The users have ultimate control over their comments (under normal circumstances). I'm not talking legally here, I'm talking reputation/karma-wise. To me and many others, the reputation of this site rests on the choices the editors make in posting articles and on the quality of articles generated by the readers.. The prior is the liability I speak of for the editors.
I repeat: what is the editors job? They discriminate between submissions, I'd think that they would strive to pick the better ones.
The whole point of this site is to embrace the chaos of free commentary, and as readers *we* are liable to separate the news from the trolls from the corporate shills from the inevitable accidental inaccuracies.
Right, but we should still trive to have a *good* site, right? I don't understand (seriously, rhetorical question not intended), are you advocating that the editors be less vigilant?
I don't blame anyone for being upset about what tends to translate into a misinformed sexist generalization, but get over it. Slashdot as a site is no more accountable for its posts as we users are for our own occasionally misinformed opinions....and I supose you've never made a comment you wanted to take back.
Oh definately, perusing my comment history will bring up quite a number of them:) but that doesn't mean I didn't get grilled for it. I'm tolerant, and typically quiet about mistakes, but I feel I should let my opinion be known when a big one pops up, especially if people are ignoring it or writing it off. I love this site and that's why I point this stuff out from time to time.
...nothing but snickers here, especially from Slashdot themselves, never mind the Zealots. But when it's Linux, oh man, don't say anything bad about it, despite the buffer overflows and everything.
uh... apperantly you haven't been reading the comments on this thread. I read through about 20 comments so far and not one praise, a few informational posts, and several critisisms.
What I'm sick of hearing on slashdot are people who think they'll sound smart by making immediate and unsubstantiated remarks against what is percieved by them to be the consensus. By acting this way, you might seem like you're noticing what everyone else is too dumb/blind to see, but it doesn't make you insightful, just contrary, which is equally as closed minded as being zealotous.
While you are right the summary is completly wrong, you should blame the person that got it wrong. Mac of Macistan, the article submitter and summary writer, is the person that got it wrong.
If you are going to bitch about the summary at least bitch about the person that made the mistake. Or be more specific that the person approving this article should have appended the summary with a correct description of the article.
So then... what exactly is the editors job? Drink coffee and click "submit"? Are you saying that slashdot isn't responsible for what they post? I think it was very helpful that the grandparent pointed out this flaw. They're right, most people will be misinformed, and slashdot should be careful to prevent slips like this from getting out. I'm not usually the one bitching about slashdot (It seriously irritates me when people bitch about dupes, how much better kuro5hin is, or talk about how all the editors are stupid but yet they read slashdot anyway) but if they're pipeing out misinformation, that's where I draw the line.
I don't think slashdot has some obligation to post everything that people submit, especially if the story being submitted isn't correct. The ultimate responsibility for slashdot's content rests on the editors. It's their site; they're liable.
Wow, Mr. Coward, you seem to know a lot of important people. I've even read your claims in other threads of having a 212 IQ and starting up several successful consulting firms. You also seem to post on slashdot quite frequently. I've been wondering why I can't access your profile, though.
I just finished reading the article, and I had simmilar feelings, but perhaps not to the extent of yours. The article doesn't say she neccesarily "cleaned up" DoubleClick, or that she was hired by DoubleClick to do anything other than whitewash the company in the face of federal scrutiny. Perhaps she has been chosen to do the same for the government now? I don't really know one way or the other, all I have to rely on right now is the history of both DoubleClick and the Bush administration, neither of which are remotely good in the face of privacy. REMOTELY. All I know is, if the Bush administration is looking for a privacy advocate, there's plenty of places they can go other than DoubleClick that would make MUCH MUCH more sense. Like, say, the people who raised the suit against DoubleClick in the first place.
I was mostly thinking about this , but in searching for it I found this too. I also remember hearing some stuff a couple months back that was related to the first link. It seems that michigan is becoming a pretty scary place for geeks, or most computer users, really.
Under suggestion of the bush administrrations new privacy czar, congress has just passed a law making the blocking pop-up ads is now illegal. Yes, congress, not michigan.
Ummm... I didn't see any child-porn-storage type of usage mentioned on the website. How about the millions of people who could theoretically be shut away for their "illegal" mp3 collection?
If only it came with a self-destruct mechanism, it might overcome the shortcomings you mentioned:) Also, perhaps better encryption with a smart-card at the PC you could remove and destroy. Then it would be a perfect product for terrorists and pedophiles alike...and perhaps normal people who don't want anyone seizing their data.
I don't know if the original poster's parents would fall for it, but personally, I'd just run an identical looking site on my LAN, and add sbmc.org to the hosts file on their machine to point to your local web server (this could even work on a single machine, if necessary).
It must be nice to criticize a good point with a "troll" comment.
So, what was so good about the first comment? Let's take a look:
I notice the USA takes every excuse to remove civil liberties.
A broad and baseless accusation.
I sincerely believe that the USA will become what it wants to be in it's belly - a xenophobic police state.
Speculation.
Notice that the anti-fascists are the first to cave when it comes to fighting a real Fascist?
this is probably the only "point" in the whole comment, but it's still very broad and lacks any sort of corroboration.
So, perhaps you didn't understand the grandparent's post (perhaps because of the grammar errors). He was criticizing the legitamcy of the "good" post by pointing out that the average canadian citizen doesn't know nearly as much about civil liberties in america as an american citizen, and also has a clearly biased viewpoint. That's basically what was incoded in their derisive comment.
Great arguement against the fact that the US government violates its people's rights when it suits them.
They weren't making this argument. They were questioning the legitimacy of the person making the claim. You don't need evidence to cast doubt on an assertion that someone else doesn't prove. The burden of proof is on the person making the original assertion.
Provide evidence to the contrary, or you "Go home, troll". My evidence, the article. Go read it. Find something which disproves that the government is violating his rights.
The article doesn't say what the original poster said. The person who replied wasn't arguing against the article, but rather that the "U.S. takes every oppertunity it can to remove civil liberties". This article discusses AN INSTANCE of the government eroding A CIVIL LIBERTY (habeas corpus). Disgusting though it may be, the only way to be taken seriously when challenging such agression is to retain rationality. Making false, overly broad, or baseless claims robs you of all legitimacy in your argument.
Doesn't this actually give them 32 (2^5) different levels of good an evil? Perhaps it's a value on a scale from image with emeded al-qaida communication to barney. er... that's not right. Perhaps it's barney to lynx http request.
I've been subscribed to Slashdot since the option became available, and I check this site all of the time.
But *five* times! This really isn't funny, and it holding back from any ligitamate news stories.
Should I be regretting my subscription money?
Jesus christ, where did all these whiny little fucking brats come from? What a meager threat. I hope you do neglect to spend your $5 on a slashdot subscription in the future so I don't need to see you nailing yourself to a fucking cross on april fucking fools day. Actually, why don't you stop visiting all together so that this kind of crap doesn't hold back from any legitimate comments.
I've also been subscribed to slashdot since the availibility of the option, and I intend to keep it despite any bad jokes by Taco. I think it's kind of ironic anyway, being that Taco is doing this because of all the whining and complaining people chuck at him about dupes.
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but you won't trust SDI because the software might be Buggy?
;-)
They don't have to worry, by their logic, bugs in the software for the ICBM's will cause them to land so far off course that the SDI won't have to knock em' down anyway
most of those are clearly illegal!
...and how much do their lobbyists and their puppet politicians get?
They get 30% and the RIAA gets 100%. How, you ask? The artists will have to pay a 30% "protection fee" for the protection against piracy the RIAA has bestowed upon them.
AHHH shit! I don't know why I added in that H...
It's too late! They've already crashed in Texas and phase 2 of their plot has begun: to enslave the minds of our top polticians! Those close to the president have noted an increased appetite for dirt lately...
Yeah, I actually hope these ads become widespread. Mozilla could use the increased user-base.
ummmmmm, I said kidnapping in both cases. Maybe you missed it because I didn't use all caps and exclamation points.
While everything you said is true-enough, I'm not sure how it is a reply to the grandparent's argument. The grandparent didn't say this wasn't "a breach of due process" or "a breach of his rights" or even that our government isn't "increasingly moving towards a totalitarian ideal ", they just said this wasn't a case of being "disappeared". If someone says "disappeared" to me, I think kidnapped by the government without a trace. This is a case of being kidnapped by the government in front of everyone with a really weak excuse. Clearly he'd be in deeper shit if people weren't watching what was happening to him and saying he was "disappeared" is an attempt to falsely sensationalize this situation. I think the situation is sensational enough as it is and we shouldn't need to be deceptive about it.
I'm in Columbus too, and also at OSU. Is there a "Half-Priced Books" near campus?
Yes, it's a little west of campus on Lane Ave. I think it's a little west of Kenny Rd.
Another great place to find loki games that wasn't mentioned in the article is used bookstores. I'm not sure if they're a nation-wide chain, but Half-priced books in columbus, OH usually has a bunch of loki linux games that I guess people probably bought thinking they were windows games. You can get most of them for a buck or two. I also found copies of quake3 a year ago at microcenter for $3! Though, I suppose at this point thats probably what you would expect to pay anywhere...
If slashdot is your source for accurate coverage than you already have a pretty screwed up view of the world
...and I supose you've never made a comment you wanted to take back.
:) but that doesn't mean I didn't get grilled for it. I'm tolerant, and typically quiet about mistakes, but I feel I should let my opinion be known when a big one pops up, especially if people are ignoring it or writing it off. I love this site and that's why I point this stuff out from time to time.
I put everything through the bullshit filter just like everyone else. I certainly don't read slashdot because I expect false information and I think it's perfectly alright to point it out when it happens. Ideally, it shouldn't, and this is significantly worse than a dupe. I respect the work the editors do, but I think critisism is a good thing in these cases. I grade papers at school and I'm very glad to have people point out any mistakes I make.
Slashdot is absolutely not liable at all for anything that gets posted here, otherwise they would be required not only to edit article posts, but also censor user comments and verify moderation.
huh? I said they're liable for the articles they post. What do user comments have to do with that? The editors have ultimate control of what articles get posted. The users have ultimate control over their comments (under normal circumstances). I'm not talking legally here, I'm talking reputation/karma-wise. To me and many others, the reputation of this site rests on the choices the editors make in posting articles and on the quality of articles generated by the readers.. The prior is the liability I speak of for the editors.
I repeat: what is the editors job? They discriminate between submissions, I'd think that they would strive to pick the better ones.
The whole point of this site is to embrace the chaos of free commentary, and as readers *we* are liable to separate the news from the trolls from the corporate shills from the inevitable accidental inaccuracies.
Right, but we should still trive to have a *good* site, right? I don't understand (seriously, rhetorical question not intended), are you advocating that the editors be less vigilant?
I don't blame anyone for being upset about what tends to translate into a misinformed sexist generalization, but get over it. Slashdot as a site is no more accountable for its posts as we users are for our own occasionally misinformed opinions.
Oh definately, perusing my comment history will bring up quite a number of them
uh... apperantly you haven't been reading the comments on this thread. I read through about 20 comments so far and not one praise, a few informational posts, and several critisisms.
What I'm sick of hearing on slashdot are people who think they'll sound smart by making immediate and unsubstantiated remarks against what is percieved by them to be the consensus. By acting this way, you might seem like you're noticing what everyone else is too dumb/blind to see, but it doesn't make you insightful, just contrary, which is equally as closed minded as being zealotous.
While you are right the summary is completly wrong, you should blame the person that got it wrong. Mac of Macistan, the article submitter and summary writer, is the person that got it wrong.
If you are going to bitch about the summary at least bitch about the person that made the mistake. Or be more specific that the person approving this article should have appended the summary with a correct description of the article.
So then... what exactly is the editors job? Drink coffee and click "submit"? Are you saying that slashdot isn't responsible for what they post? I think it was very helpful that the grandparent pointed out this flaw. They're right, most people will be misinformed, and slashdot should be careful to prevent slips like this from getting out. I'm not usually the one bitching about slashdot (It seriously irritates me when people bitch about dupes, how much better kuro5hin is, or talk about how all the editors are stupid but yet they read slashdot anyway) but if they're pipeing out misinformation, that's where I draw the line.
I don't think slashdot has some obligation to post everything that people submit, especially if the story being submitted isn't correct. The ultimate responsibility for slashdot's content rests on the editors. It's their site; they're liable.
Wow, Mr. Coward, you seem to know a lot of important people. I've even read your claims in other threads of having a 212 IQ and starting up several successful consulting firms. You also seem to post on slashdot quite frequently. I've been wondering why I can't access your profile, though.
I just finished reading the article, and I had simmilar feelings, but perhaps not to the extent of yours. The article doesn't say she neccesarily "cleaned up" DoubleClick, or that she was hired by DoubleClick to do anything other than whitewash the company in the face of federal scrutiny. Perhaps she has been chosen to do the same for the government now? I don't really know one way or the other, all I have to rely on right now is the history of both DoubleClick and the Bush administration, neither of which are remotely good in the face of privacy. REMOTELY. All I know is, if the Bush administration is looking for a privacy advocate, there's plenty of places they can go other than DoubleClick that would make MUCH MUCH more sense. Like, say, the people who raised the suit against DoubleClick in the first place.
I was mostly thinking about this , but in searching for it I found this
too. I also remember hearing some stuff a couple months back that was related to the first link. It seems that michigan is becoming a pretty scary place for geeks, or most computer users, really.
particularly, that it's not the submit button.
doh... I think everyone knows what I meant, despite the mistakes I accidently left in...
Under suggestion of the bush administrrations new privacy czar, congress has just passed a law making the blocking pop-up ads is now illegal. Yes, congress, not michigan.
In other news, slashdot is asked to change "Anonymous Coward" to "Anonymous Felon" in michigan.
Ummm... I didn't see any child-porn-storage type of usage mentioned on the website. How about the millions of people who could theoretically be shut away for their "illegal" mp3 collection?
:) Also, perhaps better encryption with a smart-card at the PC you could remove and destroy. Then it would be a perfect product for terrorists and pedophiles alike ...and perhaps normal people who don't want anyone seizing their data.
If only it came with a self-destruct mechanism, it might overcome the shortcomings you mentioned
I don't know if the original poster's parents would fall for it, but personally, I'd just run an identical looking site on my LAN, and add sbmc.org to the hosts file on their machine to point to your local web server (this could even work on a single machine, if necessary).
Clever idea, but what if they check from work?
It must be nice to criticize a good point with a "troll" comment.
So, what was so good about the first comment? Let's take a look:
I notice the USA takes every excuse to remove civil liberties.
A broad and baseless accusation.
I sincerely believe that the USA will become what it wants to be in it's belly - a xenophobic police state.
Speculation.
Notice that the anti-fascists are the first to cave when it comes to fighting a real Fascist?
this is probably the only "point" in the whole comment, but it's still very broad and lacks any sort of corroboration.
So, perhaps you didn't understand the grandparent's post (perhaps because of the grammar errors). He was criticizing the legitamcy of the "good" post by pointing out that the average canadian citizen doesn't know nearly as much about civil liberties in america as an american citizen, and also has a clearly biased viewpoint. That's basically what was incoded in their derisive comment.
Great arguement against the fact that the US government violates its people's rights when it suits them.
They weren't making this argument. They were questioning the legitimacy of the person making the claim. You don't need evidence to cast doubt on an assertion that someone else doesn't prove. The burden of proof is on the person making the original assertion.
Provide evidence to the contrary, or you "Go home, troll". My evidence, the article. Go read it. Find something which disproves that the government is violating his rights.
The article doesn't say what the original poster said. The person who replied wasn't arguing against the article, but rather that the "U.S. takes every oppertunity it can to remove civil liberties". This article discusses AN INSTANCE of the government eroding A CIVIL LIBERTY (habeas corpus). Disgusting though it may be, the only way to be taken seriously when challenging such agression is to retain rationality. Making false, overly broad, or baseless claims robs you of all legitimacy in your argument.
Doesn't this actually give them 32 (2^5) different levels of good an evil? Perhaps it's a value on a scale from image with emeded al-qaida communication to barney. er... that's not right. Perhaps it's barney to lynx http request.
I've been subscribed to Slashdot since the option became available, and I check this site all of the time.
But *five* times! This really isn't funny, and it holding back from any ligitamate news stories.
Should I be regretting my subscription money?
Jesus christ, where did all these whiny little fucking brats come from? What a meager threat. I hope you do neglect to spend your $5 on a slashdot subscription in the future so I don't need to see you nailing yourself to a fucking cross on april fucking fools day. Actually, why don't you stop visiting all together so that this kind of crap doesn't hold back from any legitimate comments.
I've also been subscribed to slashdot since the availibility of the option, and I intend to keep it despite any bad jokes by Taco. I think it's kind of ironic anyway, being that Taco is doing this because of all the whining and complaining people chuck at him about dupes.
now you can leave off the * and just say BSD is dying