I never saw this adequately answered on Groklaw. This is no different really than benchmarks or TCO studies. Show us your methodology, give us the name of an independant third party which conducted the review, and let us review the results. Coming from OSRM I consider this well meant but to be followed by a large grain of salt as they have a vested interest in the outcome. I believe Linux isn't tainted, but if you've combed through the code of Linux and several Unixen, I'd like to see it in black and white.
I'm assuming by _Linux_ you are referring specifically to the kernel. Where your scenario fails to hold water is the fact that Linus and crew actually do check the code that gets submitted for the kernel. I don't see a johnny-come-lately with miracle code that works flawlessly on the first try getting something past them. In real life, YMMV
I've got to jump in on this comment. Stuff does not "just work" in Windows! When I got my TV card I was up and running with xawtv long before Win2k could figure out what to do with it. The latest hassle is Nokia's proprietary data cable for their lame phones. Think it "just works" in Windows? Think again.
If you have a common enough name and **aren't** on the lam you might be okay. Just make sure she doesn't know your l337/. name or you're dead! ...Oh shit, you're all heading for Google now...
Does Andy work at SCO
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More MyDoom Gloom
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· Score: 4, Interesting
A report covering F-Secure's work on the virus reveals this interesting comment imbedded in the virus:
Buried in its programming code -- and only readable after it has been decrypted -- was also the message "Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry" from the creator
I'm sorry, but I have to question this one. How many enterprises do you know using _analog_ telephony? I'm not aware of any OS vulnerabilities in Lucent/AT&T PBXs, are you? Another point is the differentiation between the PCs/*nix world and telephony. Lucent uses a Unix derivative on its PBXs, Avaya uses Unix/Linux. Hmmm, starting to sound like the PC world...
I'm glad this is happenning. I was just thinking to myself (I win all my arguments that way) the other day about the perception that FOSS users won't pay for software and just want free as in beer. Of course to an extent that is true, but then it dawned on me that it's actually businesses that just want free beer. The idea is constantly bandied about that FOSS programmers are just part time hackers with nothing better to do, but when you look at the quality of some FOSS projects that can't be true. It takes time and money. So why aren't companies like Sun and IBM making with the money to pay KDE to create a Micro-Soft like "Control Panel" for the desktop? Not that we may need one, it's only an example. Companies like IBM love to use Linux to nettle Micro-Soft and push their own agenda, but if they were serious about Linux on the desktop they'd put a bounty out for cohesive and intuitive applications that will help build a core of non technical users.
The German government took this route with Kroupware, and I just hope that Novell will do something like it with SuSE, but I still believe a serious sea change of perception and thought needs to take place in the corporate world. FOSS is a resource not only to push your other agendas, but can be harnessed relatively cheaply to get what you want. For those of us that can't code (yet) it doesn't matter if the source code is available, but it might be feasible to pay a developer to create a feature I want, maybe through a clearinghouse type website (any VCs in the house?). I know I'd pay if I had money for MozMail to be able to schedule the times it sent mail a la Outlook, and I even had someone ready to switch from Outlook until they discovered MozMail couldn't do that:-(
Enuff rambling, maybe this is just a start of the community bootstrapping itself and the corporate world will notice and loosen the purse strings...
Darl Named a top 25 CEO
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SCO News Roundup
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CRN in a grand exhibition of both lack of research and insight has Darl McBride listed as one of the top 25 CEOs this year. My favorite quote is about us Open Source Communists:
"It's like back on the farm where we had to break a new colt and try and tame them," McBride says.
Now you know why Wall Street loves this guy. This is a glowing review of the man and his mission for Team Capitalism.
At this stage of the game, IBM is publicly stating they doubt TSG is serious about entering a court room. With that in mind they seem to be trying to hurt TSG where it hurts: the wallet. Have you seen SCOX performance lately? Beautifully mimicking a swan dive. Good riddance to bad trash
As someone who deals with "enterprise" hardware products designed with a fairly long life span (7 years between replacements), I'd agree. At least in the PBX space, infrastructure spending seems on the rise. A good PBX TDM/IP network from the ground up can easily cost a million dollars, and right now my company can barely keep the equipment on the shelves.
As far as GWB goes, people seem to forget the economy was already tanking during the run up to the election, and seemed to be recovering right before the Sept 11 attacks. But hey, that's what a short attention span will... HEY! Glazed donuts!!
First let me say I know nothing about Mac OSX, so YMMV. From what I understand 8 is the default for most *NIXs and to change it is a compile time option for the kernel which I'm supposing you can't do. If you have an/etc/login.defs, the PASS_MAX_LEN field only specifies how many characters are used when crypt() hashes the password for the md5 output.
As a former Navy man, I would just like to point out how many Air Force posts there are to this article. It warms my heart to know that so many chairs are being warmed by so many butts, and that the Air Force is getting it's fill of/. Aim High, indeed!
Just to be specific, slavery is not illegal in these United States, just abhorrent emphasis mine
Amendment XIII
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction
Will you be my work wife? I agree to your per seat licensing requirements, and after having read your EULA I believe I can work within it's restrictions (although a more permissive license allowing the modifying of source would have been preferred). I also promise to keep you patched and upgraded on a regular basis, and not to migrate to another platform without 2 weeks prior notice.
I've been working on a LinuxFromScratch installation, and was perplexed as to why none of the packages I needed were available. The whole alpha.gnu.org thing set me back for a while too. Thankfully I found a debian mirror with (hopefully) good packages
Perhaps the U.N. should concentrate more on helping "developing" countries get stable democratic governments than trying to act as some great wealth re-distribution center. The sad fact is that the U.N. is as corrupt as these "developing" countries that only seem to develop new ways of starting civil wars. So we start a new WiFi initiative, I wonder who gets to oversee it? The same accountants who ran Iraq's "Oil for Dollars" program that generated tons of money which was given to the dictatorship so that it could build a soccer stadium rather than feed it's people?
But what does it matter? This is the typical action of an inept beauracracy which constantly generates new plans and initiatives, yet fails at them all or is incapable of following through, with but a few notable exceptions. The U.N. is a bastion of anti-semetic, American hating socialists (for our Euro readers: yes, I know what what socialism is, and no I don't like it)
Good spoiler right at the end of the article synopsis... Totally ruined my urge to RTFA. At least you didn't spit out some nonsense about Harry Potter dying at the end of Matrix Revolutions
Excerpts from SCO's Information Minister Chris Sontag:
It is only too obvious the code infringement occurring in Linux. Torvalds' dogs are cutting their own throats before the walls of our Intellectual Property. Tonight they will burn in hell. The stolen code is as clear as the nose on my face.
reporter: Sir, could we see some of this code?
C.S.: I will only answer questions that deal in reality. The code is all over the place. Can't you see it yourself?
reporter: But sir, since your code is hidden from the world, how do we know you didn't just take some Linux sources and just slap SCO source into it for the sake of the trial?
C.S: Are you a fool? The open source pigs on slashdot would like you to believe that, but they are cying outside and waiting to receive bullets now. They will be killed shortly.
Slashdot Mirror
I never saw this adequately answered on Groklaw. This is no different really than benchmarks or TCO studies. Show us your methodology, give us the name of an independant third party which conducted the review, and let us review the results. Coming from OSRM I consider this well meant but to be followed by a large grain of salt as they have a vested interest in the outcome. I believe Linux isn't tainted, but if you've combed through the code of Linux and several Unixen, I'd like to see it in black and white.
I'm assuming by _Linux_ you are referring specifically to the kernel. Where your scenario fails to hold water is the fact that Linus and crew actually do check the code that gets submitted for the kernel. I don't see a johnny-come-lately with miracle code that works flawlessly on the first try getting something past them. In real life, YMMV
You slashdotted Gooogle!!
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The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request.
Please try again in a minute or so.
Truly this is a great day for the Web and the Internet as a whole
I've got to jump in on this comment. Stuff does not "just work" in Windows! When I got my TV card I was up and running with xawtv long before Win2k could figure out what to do with it. The latest hassle is Nokia's proprietary data cable for their lame phones. Think it "just works" in Windows? Think again.
Unixware has never achieved a substantial market share
Another quote, again no mention of _copyrights_
X/Open introduces the UNIX 95 branding programme. Novell sells UnixWare business to SCO
nwfusion makes this interesting distinction:
1992 - Purchases rights to AT&T UNIX
1995 - Sells Unixware to Santa Cruz Operation
If you have a common enough name and **aren't** on the lam you might be okay. Just make sure she doesn't know your l337 /. name or you're dead!
...Oh shit, you're all heading for Google now...
A report covering F-Secure's work on the virus reveals this interesting comment imbedded in the virus:
Buried in its programming code -- and only readable after it has been decrypted -- was also the message "Andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry" from the creator
My tinfoil hat says it's some poor guy at SCO!
Yeah, but does it run on Windows?
Finally, installing Linux takes only one click!
In the future, please refer to it as GNU/Windows...
I'm sorry, but I have to question this one. How many enterprises do you know using _analog_ telephony? I'm not aware of any OS vulnerabilities in Lucent/AT&T PBXs, are you? Another point is the differentiation between the PCs/*nix world and telephony. Lucent uses a Unix derivative on its PBXs, Avaya uses Unix/Linux. Hmmm, starting to sound like the PC world...
About my sig... It worked!
Perhaps this was the page?
After reading Linus' code review of a younger Linus's work, it seems Tannenbaum was right.
Tannenbaum: Linus, you fail it! 'F' for you!
I'm glad this is happenning. I was just thinking to myself (I win all my arguments that way) the other day about the perception that FOSS users won't pay for software and just want free as in beer. Of course to an extent that is true, but then it dawned on me that it's actually businesses that just want free beer.
:-(
The idea is constantly bandied about that FOSS programmers are just part time hackers with nothing better to do, but when you look at the quality of some FOSS projects that can't be true. It takes time and money. So why aren't companies like Sun and IBM making with the money to pay KDE to create a Micro-Soft like "Control Panel" for the desktop? Not that we may need one, it's only an example. Companies like IBM love to use Linux to nettle Micro-Soft and push their own agenda, but if they were serious about Linux on the desktop they'd put a bounty out for cohesive and intuitive applications that will help build a core of non technical users.
The German government took this route with Kroupware, and I just hope that Novell will do something like it with SuSE, but I still believe a serious sea change of perception and thought needs to take place in the corporate world. FOSS is a resource not only to push your other agendas, but can be harnessed relatively cheaply to get what you want. For those of us that can't code (yet) it doesn't matter if the source code is available, but it might be feasible to pay a developer to create a feature I want, maybe through a clearinghouse type website (any VCs in the house?). I know I'd pay if I had money for MozMail to be able to schedule the times it sent mail a la Outlook, and I even had someone ready to switch from Outlook until they discovered MozMail couldn't do that
Enuff rambling, maybe this is just a start of the community bootstrapping itself and the corporate world will notice and loosen the purse strings...
CRN in a grand exhibition of both lack of research and insight has Darl McBride listed as one of the top 25 CEOs this year. My favorite quote is about us Open Source Communists:
"It's like back on the farm where we had to break a new colt and try and tame them," McBride says.
Now you know why Wall Street loves this guy. This is a glowing review of the man and his mission for Team Capitalism.
At this stage of the game, IBM is publicly stating they doubt TSG is serious about entering a court room. With that in mind they seem to be trying to hurt TSG where it hurts: the wallet. Have you seen SCOX performance lately? Beautifully mimicking a swan dive. Good riddance to bad trash
BTW, 5th post?
As someone who deals with "enterprise" hardware products designed with a fairly long life span (7 years between replacements), I'd agree. At least in the PBX space, infrastructure spending seems on the rise. A good PBX TDM/IP network from the ground up can easily cost a million dollars, and right now my company can barely keep the equipment on the shelves.
As far as GWB goes, people seem to forget the economy was already tanking during the run up to the election, and seemed to be recovering right before the Sept 11 attacks. But hey, that's what a short attention span will... HEY! Glazed donuts!!
First let me say I know nothing about Mac OSX, so YMMV. From what I understand 8 is the default for most *NIXs and to change it is a compile time option for the kernel which I'm supposing you can't do. If you have an /etc/login.defs, the PASS_MAX_LEN field only specifies how many characters are used when crypt() hashes the password for the md5 output.
As a former Navy man, I would just like to point out how many Air Force posts there are to this article. It warms my heart to know that so many chairs are being warmed by so many butts, and that the Air Force is getting it's fill of /. Aim High, indeed!
Just to be specific, slavery is not illegal in these United States, just abhorrent
emphasis mine
Amendment XIII
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction
Melissa,
Will you be my work wife? I agree to your per seat licensing requirements, and after having read your EULA I believe I can work within it's restrictions (although a more permissive license allowing the modifying of source would have been preferred). I also promise to keep you patched and upgraded on a regular basis, and not to migrate to another platform without 2 weeks prior notice.
I've been working on a LinuxFromScratch installation, and was perplexed as to why none of the packages I needed were available. The whole alpha.gnu.org thing set me back for a while too. Thankfully I found a debian mirror with (hopefully) good packages
Perhaps the U.N. should concentrate more on helping "developing" countries get stable democratic governments than trying to act as some great wealth re-distribution center. The sad fact is that the U.N. is as corrupt as these "developing" countries that only seem to develop new ways of starting civil wars. So we start a new WiFi initiative, I wonder who gets to oversee it? The same accountants who ran Iraq's "Oil for Dollars" program that generated tons of money which was given to the dictatorship so that it could build a soccer stadium rather than feed it's people?
But what does it matter? This is the typical action of an inept beauracracy which constantly generates new plans and initiatives, yet fails at them all or is incapable of following through, with but a few notable exceptions. The U.N. is a bastion of anti-semetic, American hating socialists (for our Euro readers: yes, I know what what socialism is, and no I don't like it)
Good spoiler right at the end of the article synopsis... Totally ruined my urge to RTFA. At least you didn't spit out some nonsense about Harry Potter dying at the end of Matrix Revolutions
LDP? Whatever... Up with CUPS! And no, I didn't RTFA..
As another poster noted, please see this link. It is perfectly alright to slag the SCO name, it would seem
It is only too obvious the code infringement occurring in Linux. Torvalds' dogs are cutting their own throats before the walls of our Intellectual Property. Tonight they will burn in hell. The stolen code is as clear as the nose on my face.
reporter:
Sir, could we see some of this code?
C.S.:
I will only answer questions that deal in reality. The code is all over the place. Can't you see it yourself?
reporter:
But sir, since your code is hidden from the world, how do we know you didn't just take some Linux sources and just slap SCO source into it for the sake of the trial?
C.S:
Are you a fool? The open source pigs on slashdot would like you to believe that, but they are cying outside and waiting to receive bullets now. They will be killed shortly.