"Nokia's numbers are made up of the huge quantities of 32**, 33**, 62** etc. phones which run a Nokia OS. There is no one to one correspondance between Nokia phones and Symbian powered devices."
No. If sales of 32*, 33*, 62* and the like were included, Nokias sales-figures would be in the millions! Last year Nokia sold 128 million cell-phones, that's more than sales of ALL PDA's all around the world! Or do you claim that Palms and PocketPC's outsold Nokias 3000-series and 6000-series??? HAH!
That statisics is about PDA's and the like. That means that in case of Nokia, it's the sales of 9210 and 7650.
"Not trolling or anything, but it's been pointed out FreeBSD has this as a sysctl parameter. Hopefully Linux will offer this (correct me if I'm wrong!)."
"SETI and their goals have nothing to do with astronomy"
To my knowledge, Stephen Hawking uses data gathered and analyzed by SETI@home in his study regarding black holes. And I'm pretty sure there are other scientists using the SETI@home-data as well
"Would you care to quantify for me, then, just how useful this discovery would be to society?"
With little luck, it would help the destruction of organized religion. At least it would teach a lesson to religious fanatics, and that reason is good enough for me.
"I still have not seen you show the GPL to restrict "use" of the software, your argument seems to be that "distribution" is a "use"
Distributing software could be considered a "use". If I see a piece of GPL'ed software that would fit perfectly on my own closed-source-project, I couldn't use it as part of my software if I intented to keep the source closed and sell the end-product. If I use the software as a part of a greater whole, I'm still using it. If I choose not to GPL my software, then the GPL denies me the right to use and sell my software that has GPL'ed code in it. I call that a "limitation".
If I use GPL'ed code in my closed-source project, then is not not "using"? If it isn't, then what is it?
Sure it is using. I'm _using_ the software as a part of my own project.
Fact is, GPL restricts my use (and distribution) of the software. Only license that doesn't is the BSD-license. And besides, distribution-restrictions are still restrictions.
"Any company that would seek to restrict your how you use their software is pretty slimy."
Doesn't the GPL also "restrict you how you use the software"? By that definition only "unslimy" license is the BSD-licence. GPL and others are slimy since they restrict you in one way or the other.
Basically, few KDE-developers disagree with some of Israels policies regarding the Palestinians. But that does not make them in to nazis.
I espesially like this quote (by dep himself):
"it is always ironic to see german nationals, like members of AA who fall off the wagon from time to time, come out foursquare against genocide -- as if everyone *except* them has committed it -- unless the situation involves a new attempt to exterminate those who germany tried and failed to exterminate."
In short, deps problem with KDE-project is this: He's annoyed because few KDE-developers dared to disagree with Israel on a off-topic mailinglist. he's also annoyed when those same developers didn't want to get down on all fours and kiss USA's ass.
To my knowledge, 3G-handsets aren't really late. Nokia and others never claimed to release them sooner. End of 2002 was they timeframe everyone was talking about. Handsets are being launched as we speak. Nokia just released one, and other manufacturers will soo be releasing their own products.
You just don't seem to accept the fact that W-CDMA won the race. CDMA2000 and others are marginal at best. learn to deal with it.
So ONE operator has rolled it out and it didn't do well. And from that you conclude that WCDMA must suck?
There could be any number of reasons why DoCoMo didn't do well. For starters, the WCDMA-phones are a bit on the expensive side (I think that was the main reason why it has a slow start) and it could be that WCDMA doesn't yet offer eny killer apps to DoCoMo's i-Mode.
"In short, the European politicians said, "If you want to stay in business, you MUST buy this spectrum at the prices we dictate""
Ummmm, no. In several countries the licenses were handed out in a "beauty-contest", where the telcos only had to pay nominal fees. As to the countries that auctioned the liceses. They did not dictate the prices. The operators wanted those licenses and they competed between each other, THAT'S what drove the price up. Governments didn't dictate the price, it was settled in a bidding-war. In other words: the price was decided in an auction.
"W-CDMA has proven to be an embarassment for those providers that have rolled it out, and those that haven't are begging to use CDMA2000 instead of W-CDMA, and when the politicians say no, you see the multibillion dollar spectrum writeoffs you've been seeing right and left in Europe."
Whoa that's insightful! And wrong. WCDMA hasn't really been "rolled out" yet. Nor has it been "an embarrasment". In order for those two claims to be true, there should bhe working WCDMA networks with users using it. But there aren't. Nokia just recently released their first WCDMA-phone, and networks will open for business in 1H 2003 (in theory some are open right now, but with no handsets, they aren't in use yet)
You can't say that 3G is an embarrasment since it's not even used yet! You could say that if it was available, and flopped. But it hasn't.
You may or may not know this but dep (the author of this "article") has a problem with KDE. Basically here's what happened (I posted this on the Linuxtoday.com article about this as well):
1. KDE hosts an off-topic mailinglist (kde-cafe). There KDE-developers and users can talk about off-topic things (movies, politics etc.)
2. One KDE-developer (I don't remember which one) posted a message where he criticized Israel policies when it comes to the palestinians. He also voiced concern regarding some US policies as well.
3. Dep got involved in that discussion and he held an opposing viewpoint. During the course of the discussion he basically called everyone who disagreed with him and idiot.
4. He also decided that anyone who criticizes Israel is a nazi and an antisemite.
5. He then wrote a story for Linux and main where he claimed that several KDE core-developers are nazis and antisemites.
6. In reality, few KDE-developers simply criticized some of Israels policies in an off-topic mailinglist. That does not make them in to nazis.
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Hmmm, everywhere I look, I see people using Nokia 9210's. Only rarely I see someone with a Palm, let alone a PocketPC!
"Nokia's numbers are made up of the huge quantities of 32**, 33**, 62** etc. phones which run a Nokia OS. There is no one to one correspondance between Nokia phones and Symbian powered devices."
No. If sales of 32*, 33*, 62* and the like were included, Nokias sales-figures would be in the millions! Last year Nokia sold 128 million cell-phones, that's more than sales of ALL PDA's all around the world! Or do you claim that Palms and PocketPC's outsold Nokias 3000-series and 6000-series??? HAH!
That statisics is about PDA's and the like. That means that in case of Nokia, it's the sales of 9210 and 7650.
Here's an euro, go buy yourself a clue.
"Now *I* had a Symbian phone, but that statement is utter garbage! Quite simply they are lying to deceive the public.
Palm OS is the market leader in Europe by a long long way. Pocket PC also has a *much* larger takeup than Symbian devices"
Really?
http://www.canalys.com/pr/r2002102.htm
In short: Shipments Q3 2002.
Nokia (Symbian): 55%
Palm: 15%
HP: 9%
Sony: 3%
Casio: 3%
Others: 13%
In Q3 2001, Nokia was also the leader with 27% share (compared to Palms 22%). So Symbian-devices are selling better than Palms or PocketPC's!
"Not trolling or anything, but it's been pointed out FreeBSD has this as a sysctl parameter. Hopefully Linux will offer this (correct me if I'm wrong!)."
You can do that in Linux too.
According to kernelnewbies.org, CD-R/RW packet-writing is in beta. But it has been for a while now. Any news on that front? Does it work?
So why not make it optional?
"Supermount: Enable if used on a desktop-system. Disable if used on a server"
What's the harm there? desktop-users get their ease of use, server-admins get their security and stability.
You are comparing a desktop environment to a toolkit. They aren't the same thing you know
"SETI and their goals have nothing to do with astronomy"
To my knowledge, Stephen Hawking uses data gathered and analyzed by SETI@home in his study regarding black holes. And I'm pretty sure there are other scientists using the SETI@home-data as well
"Would you care to quantify for me, then, just how useful this discovery would be to society?"
With little luck, it would help the destruction of organized religion. At least it would teach a lesson to religious fanatics, and that reason is good enough for me.
"I still have not seen you show the GPL to restrict "use" of the software, your argument seems to be that "distribution" is a "use"
Distributing software could be considered a "use". If I see a piece of GPL'ed software that would fit perfectly on my own closed-source-project, I couldn't use it as part of my software if I intented to keep the source closed and sell the end-product. If I use the software as a part of a greater whole, I'm still using it. If I choose not to GPL my software, then the GPL denies me the right to use and sell my software that has GPL'ed code in it. I call that a "limitation".
If I use GPL'ed code in my closed-source project, then is not not "using"? If it isn't, then what is it?
But if I want to sell that product as closed-source product, I can't. Therefore GPL limits my ways of using the software.
Sure it is using. I'm _using_ the software as a part of my own project.
Fact is, GPL restricts my use (and distribution) of the software. Only license that doesn't is the BSD-license. And besides, distribution-restrictions are still restrictions.
Mind you, I support the GPL.
"The GPL doesn't restrict how you use the software, only how you can distribute it."
So... I can use GPL-software in my closed-source software? That's news to me! If I can't, then it restricts my use of the software.
And besides, doesn't distribution-restrictions _restrict_ me?
"Any company that would seek to restrict your how you use their software is pretty slimy."
Doesn't the GPL also "restrict you how you use the software"? By that definition only "unslimy" license is the BSD-licence. GPL and others are slimy since they restrict you in one way or the other.
Correction on the URL's: there's a space in the middle of the URL. Remove it, and it should take you right to the post/thread in question
The thread where dep realized KDE-developers are nazis and anti-semites? It's right here:
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http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=kde-cafe&m=1017
Basically, few KDE-developers disagree with some of Israels policies regarding the Palestinians. But that does not make them in to nazis.
I espesially like this quote (by dep himself):
"it is always ironic to see german nationals, like members of AA who fall off the wagon from time to time, come out foursquare against genocide -- as if everyone *except* them has committed it -- unless the situation involves a new attempt to exterminate those who germany tried and failed to exterminate."
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=kde-cafe&m=1017
Gee dep, that sure is mature of you...
In short, deps problem with KDE-project is this: He's annoyed because few KDE-developers dared to disagree with Israel on a off-topic mailinglist. he's also annoyed when those same developers didn't want to get down on all fours and kiss USA's ass.
To my knowledge, 3G-handsets aren't really late. Nokia and others never claimed to release them sooner. End of 2002 was they timeframe everyone was talking about. Handsets are being launched as we speak. Nokia just released one, and other manufacturers will soo be releasing their own products.
You just don't seem to accept the fact that W-CDMA won the race. CDMA2000 and others are marginal at best. learn to deal with it.
"Have been holding off on rolling out W-CDMA because no equipment manufacturers have been able to get it to work properly."
They have been holding off because there aren't any handsets available.
So ONE operator has rolled it out and it didn't do well. And from that you conclude that WCDMA must suck?
There could be any number of reasons why DoCoMo didn't do well. For starters, the WCDMA-phones are a bit on the expensive side (I think that was the main reason why it has a slow start) and it could be that WCDMA doesn't yet offer eny killer apps to DoCoMo's i-Mode.
"In short, the European politicians said, "If you want to stay in business, you MUST buy this spectrum at the prices we dictate""
Ummmm, no. In several countries the licenses were handed out in a "beauty-contest", where the telcos only had to pay nominal fees. As to the countries that auctioned the liceses. They did not dictate the prices. The operators wanted those licenses and they competed between each other, THAT'S what drove the price up. Governments didn't dictate the price, it was settled in a bidding-war. In other words: the price was decided in an auction.
"W-CDMA has proven to be an embarassment for those providers that have rolled it out, and those that haven't are begging to use CDMA2000 instead of W-CDMA, and when the politicians say no, you see the multibillion dollar spectrum writeoffs you've been seeing right and left in Europe."
Whoa that's insightful! And wrong. WCDMA hasn't really been "rolled out" yet. Nor has it been "an embarrasment". In order for those two claims to be true, there should bhe working WCDMA networks with users using it. But there aren't. Nokia just recently released their first WCDMA-phone, and networks will open for business in 1H 2003 (in theory some are open right now, but with no handsets, they aren't in use yet)
You can't say that 3G is an embarrasment since it's not even used yet! You could say that if it was available, and flopped. But it hasn't.
You may or may not know this but dep (the author of this "article") has a problem with KDE. Basically here's what happened (I posted this on the Linuxtoday.com article about this as well):
1. KDE hosts an off-topic mailinglist (kde-cafe). There KDE-developers and users can talk about off-topic things (movies, politics etc.)
2. One KDE-developer (I don't remember which one) posted a message where he criticized Israel policies when it comes to the palestinians. He also voiced concern regarding some US policies as well.
3. Dep got involved in that discussion and he held an opposing viewpoint. During the course of the discussion he basically called everyone who disagreed with him and idiot.
4. He also decided that anyone who criticizes Israel is a nazi and an antisemite.
5. He then wrote a story for Linux and main where he claimed that several KDE core-developers are nazis and antisemites.
6. In reality, few KDE-developers simply criticized some of Israels policies in an off-topic mailinglist. That does not make them in to nazis.
Question: Why should I use Opie instead of standard Qtopia? What advantages/disadvantages does Opie have when compared to Qtopia?
To my knowledge, 3G networks in USA are about 50% CDMA2000, 50% WCDMA. Rest of the world is about 95% WCDMA.
RH is free to change KDE. But KDE and KDE-users are also free to disagree with those changes. Freedom is a two-way street.