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An anonymous reader writes "In a post to the kernel mailing list, Rob Landley, sitting in for the floating Linus, cracks the whip over what will be in Linux 3.0. His orders are on Linux and main."
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He's achieved a transcendental state now? What are the kernel people going to do when he finally ascends to Nirvana?
Cheers,
Ian
And 2.4.19 is STILL compiling on my 50 mhz box...
unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; unmount; sleep
There is no beta (there is a devel version: 2.5.45). They aren't even sure if they will call it 3.0 yet.
You mean it was determined the kernel is going to be called 3.0 instead of being called 2.6 after all?
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet
i can't wait till Linux 3.11 for workgroups
Will it be Duke Nuke Forever 2.6 or Duke Nukem Forever 3.0 ?
You have an interesting posting history and admired by many trolls. You go, boy!
From kernel.org:
The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is: 2.5.44 2002-10-19 04:10 UTC F V Changelog
LKCD: Linux Kernel Crash Dumps. Really, I wish this had been there for the first half of 2.4 (testing-pre?). Supposedly it'll be able to save an image of kernel memory when the kernel panics to a special partition so that it can be recovered after reboot allowing easy analysis of the image. This alone should cut down greatly on the amount of work required to submit bug reports.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
Ready - Rewrite of the console layer (James Simmons) http://linuxconsole.sourceforge.net/
This one specifically should significantly help Linux take off on more devices.
I think that, in response to current marketing trends, Linux 3.0 should be given a 2-letter version id instead of a number.
How about:
Linux IS (For those unbelievers...)
Linux ME (friendlier, bloatier, used like a verb)
Linux XL (for those kernel with everything)
or
Linux ** (just take care of all the letter names at once)
- sig? who is this sig of which you speak?
Not to sound like a troll, or flaming developers, but seriously, from a users standpoint, why do i care?
What i have now works great, give me concrete reasons i should worry about a new release.
Now as a developer i DO care.. I'm just looking at this from the stand point of a normal user ( my customers ) who hear the same stuff from M$ or apple.. 'new and improved, you must upgrade now'... And we used that as a selling point for Linux..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Here is a good place to find out about the state of various features...
there are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots
so 2.6 will be 3.0 ... i hope there is effort to make it stabler and more efficient than the 2.5 builds i've tried.
kernel.org doesn't have any info on this...
does anybody know of a roadmap (iirc, there is no official one)
or good guess as to when 3.0 (or 2.6) will be released?
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
Ok, lets all acknowledge the obvious cracks at 3.11 (like what happened with Windows). Let's sort of communally agree that we're not going to find 'em funny, before a really dumb thread enters the picture, okay?
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Before anyone gets going on it.
/dev/dsp :)
There have been MAJOR features added to this Kernel.
Including
- UML
- New VM
- New Scheduler
- Finer SMP Locking
- At least 2 new Journaled FS (Reiserfs4 and XFS?)
- A new POSIX thread library/API.
Does anyone know if ALSA will be included?
We will finally be able to forget about the 1980's style
--
Matt
Screw the kernel, I want to hear more about these geek cruises!
Automount of removeable media like every other modern OS - Windows does it. MacOS does it. Even DOS 6.2 did it. Why doesn't Linux automount (please note that I did not say 'Autoplay') removeable media? (Note, I only use 2.4 kernels in servers. This may have changed recently, and I justed missed it, but...)
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
I *sooooo* hope the Hans gets off his butt and gets ReiserFS 4 in this one. If you follow the LKML closely (or just read the Kernel Traffic, http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html) then you may have heard he's sweating a bit on getting it in.
Reiser4 may just revolutionize the way the some people do stuff. I mean, next system I want to be able to do:
All that *and* have transactional data commits with a very small performance hit!
(ReiserFS Trolls: Go ahead, bring it on!)
I think Mauve has the most RAM. --PHB (Dilbert Comic)
Linux 3.0 < Windows 3.1
Netscape 7.0 > IE 6.0
"LinuxXP" or "LinuxYQ" may be better to stop this neverending battle.
Guess we know which kernel guru has started taking $ from Google!
Carousel is a lie!
I for one am totally psyched about re-writing the console sublayer. It's so aesthetically annoying to be running a multi-headed system, yet be reserved to only one head when on a tty. I think this has a high geek factor
If thou see a fair woman pay court to her, for thus thou wilt obtain love
Linux ** (just take care of all the letter names at once)
Don't you mean
Linux [A-Z][A-Z]
I've been reading the list and well..
... Linus essentially said he wasn't leaving anyone in charge so they're trying to get one main list to give to linus (with links where possible) so that he can quickly go threw everything when he gets back
This is about 1 of 3 different posts talking about 'what needs to be shown to linus when he gets back'
This is also the very first post of this one thread specific.. theres been about 5 or 6 more major things added to the list that people are hoping to get in
Also.. it seems noone on the list is sure whether this will be 3.0 or 2.6 at least noones given any real definate answer as far as I could see..
the lastest version of this list is here.. which compiles all the other threads in one.. is here
But you only want to detect pairs of uppercase letters! That should be:
'Linux [A-Z][A-Z]'
in BASH
Even if you wanted to use the asterisk method; you'd only need one, or a pair of interrogative marks.
Yeah, I have no f'ing sense of humour. Sosume.
You meant to type GNU/Linux, right?
Sincerely,
RMS
< sarcasm> Linus is really behind! Red Hat just came out with version 8.0!
Linux ** (just take care of all the letter names at once)
If you only want to take care of two letter tags, shouldn't that be:
Linux ??
Tarsnap: Online backups for the truly paranoid
By the way, Linux 3.0 will officially be known as "Linux III: The Domination" and when they get around to Linux 4.0 it'll be "Linux 4: Citizens on Patrol"
Many of you dont like it, but delivering Linux to the masses... the LPP (Linux Progress Patch) is highly important and need to be incorperated into the kernel so that it doesnt become a "left behind" item.
Yes, not seeing all the bootup messages is not highly important... but to a timid user that freaks when the computer beeps it is important. (I agree, people like that need to be kept away from technology... but these people here HAVE to work.)
Linux's acceptance on the desktop needs to have "eye-candy" like this that doesnt lower performance.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
No, * is for all acronyms. The second star is for fail-over/HA.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Way to go, now you've gone and ruined everyone's day. Dumb threads ARE slashdot. ;P
There are still 7 days till the end of Linus's cruise, but that's not much time to get guinea pigs to publicly pipe up with a hearty "AOL!" of support for your work...
I didn't think a hearty endorsement by AOL would be good news for anything!
It's not a "neverending battle" except to people who like to perceive strife where there is none. When engineering decisions are made for marketing reasons, Bad Things happen.
DOS had stateless device access. Until you tried to look at a device, DOS would not touch the device (floppy drive, hd, or CDROM drive). But when you did change to the device, it would try and read in its base directory and bootsector.
..." as the kernel catches a block layer exception. This can be worked around by adding drive locks every time the drive is accessed, but it's generally considered to be a hairy problem best solved by having a smarter user.
Windows emulates its behaviour towards floppy disk drives, as you will find out very painfully if you click on the A: on a computer without a floppy drive (which, for me, is all of them), or without a disk in the drive.
Automount only works on hardware that gives feedback on when media is inserted (such as a CDROM drive). To prevent Badness (TM) in the blocklayer, the automount has traditionally been eschewed in favour of explicit mount. Why? Try removing a CD that's being read from in Win9x, and watch the blue-screen "Please insert CD labelled
Of course, many distributions include the (separate) automount patch anyways, and people who want this behaviour won't be rolling their own kernels any time soon.
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Version 3.0 of a project that I worked on for a very large investment bank was renamed to 3.1 because, to quote the idiot that was supposedly in charge, 'Everybody knows that version 3.1 is better. Take Windows, for example.'
It's disgusting the crud that we have to listen to, just to get paid.
Linux .NET Professional Edition Second Edition Service Pack 3.
Notice:
Okay, Linus has left for the Linux Lunacy Cruise (see www.geekcruises.com),[..] last minute merges before we switch over to the 3.0-pre (or 2.6-pre) series.
It is therefor not sure that it'll be "linux 3.0"
Actually, Linus said: (very loosly quoted) "I don't care about the numbers...it can be 5.0 for all I care"
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Screw LinuxXP. We need to sneak it in the back door of our shops. I think it should be LinuxKY.
take a look at Plan 9
Lucent's Plan 9 operating system has a bug in its license:
This effectively gives the Plan 9 contributors an unlimited non-exclusive license to use any copyright, patent, or trademark belonging to any licensee. For instance, if you install Plan 9, the license gives Lucent the right to violate the GPL on all software that you have developed, to pirate music you've written and recorded, and to pass off its products as yours.
Read more about the bugs in Plan 9
Will I retire or break 10K?
Linux FU?
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
I am still scared to use the 2.4 series... I am supposed to be willing to jump "all the way" to 3.0?
Dumping the panic to swap seems more sensible than allocating another partition. This is how other OSes do it.
Oh no! I just figured out how Lindows could piss-off Microsoft even more! Change their name to LinuxXP.
Well, this is what some people really wish:
.NET
Internet Explorer.
GUI.
The Eternal Flat Desktop for dummies.
Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Solitaire.
Palladin
WYSINAWYG
WYGINAWYW
Easter Eggs
Make desktop "user ready". Forget the flame.
Forget the bugs, claim the features.
Add 100Kb EULA into the kernel itself.
Sell it and yourself to Bill Gates.
Rename it to Windows.
Sell it for $400 and threaten everyone who will not follow you.
Write a small text, anonymously authored - "Why I switched from Linux to Windows" and claim how your customers are deeply satisfied.
This page contains a complete list of every new feature that has gone into 2.5, and other features waiting to be integrated and their status:
http://kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html
Didn't the Scientologists for DECADES also claim that el ron was "on a cruise", when the truth was that he was "swimming with the fishes"?!?!?
I think AC findally made that power play, folks. The next few months should prove interesting!
Here is the stupid thread you're looking for. Good day, sir.
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The headline "Linux 3.0" is not very meaningful. To me it sounds more like Linux 3.0 is released but not at all that there's a discussion about the last features that might be integrated before the *feature freeze* of the upcoming version of linux, which might also be called 2.6.
You know, the only thing I hate more than idiots who miss the point are the high-and-mighty people who claim that they are so infallible and well-educated that everyone who disagrees must be an idiot.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
...like what Windows has had for years and years and years and years and years.... ...lame
more like Linux PU
because jesus knows them hippies never bathes...
I agree that it should be Linux ?? if we only want a two letter tag, but shouldn't we also check to make sure that the characters are only letters?
It would be odd to have Linux 95.. I mean, what about all of those possible "converts" like the MS PR person? They might think we are stuck in the 1990's and incredibly far behind windows.
Lets just start a Linux XOS (eXtreme OS)... Hopefully it won't flop like the XFL.
I'm going to buy a new system in a month or so, and a stable linux 3.0 (I've heard the odd/even thing...3.0 is divisible to 1.5...right?) seems like a good excuse to finally install linux.
:) ) Maya will only run under Redhat...is that so? What are my options?
So my old system (PIII 550, 448 ram, gforce 2mx) is something I'm going to experiment with and I'm thinking of installing a brand of linux.
So here's my questions:
-what brand? Slackware, Debian, Redhat, other? I'd also like to know why that particular flavour.
-which docs should I read? Preferably some short docs to get me running ASAP, while telling me what I need to know about stuff like vi, emacs, x window and the different desktop managers I can install. At the moment, there is so much info lying around that I just don't know where to start.
-I'm going to use the system as a home server (files, mp3's, documents [kind of like a second screen thing]) and I'm gonna try and run some distributed rendering on it. Now as far as I know (which isn't very far
So basically, I'm a linux newbie wannabe. Where do I start?
-- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
No, this time Linux is correct since the topic is about the kernel.
... distribute GNU/Linux (you would not do much with a Linux distribution).
If you are talking about the Operating System, you should address it as GNU/Linux (same as you have GNU/Mach).
e.g. Debian, SuSE, Redhat,
You must have amnesia RMS, since you learnt us to cite:
GNU is the operating system and Linux is one of its kernels
Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, "Today I will be brilliant."
Actually, since in this case, "Linux" is referring to just the kernel, even RMS doesn't think it should have the "GNU/" prefix...
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
Dear God, that's disturbing!
Did Benjamin Frankilin write that?
Please neaten your formatting and provide references.
At some point, will Linux for Workgroups (3.11) be available? Oh man, that'll be sweet! :)
Cute, though that was not what i was trying to convey.
I was only attempting to not be labeled someone that didn't have a clue of the history of things, and speaking out of ignorance.
But this current 'Linux communal attitude' does grow tiresome and self-defeating. Its no wonder I'm not the only one who has finally moved back to another 'camp'. One quite a bit more mature, though slower to advance i admit.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The comittee for the prevention Aspberger's syndrome reccommends that that these cruises be staffed entirely with pornstars.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
When the feds were after good old crazy uncle Elron, he cruised around the Mediterranian on his yacht, keeping one step ahead of the local authorities.
Soon, that's what'll happen with the opensource movement. Amerika will side with corporate interests rather that the freedom of its citizens, and Linus and RMS will end up sharing very cramped quarters on sealand. HA!
Maybe Japan will give them visas.
Rob Landley: You are the new number 3
Linux 3.0-pre: I am not a number.. I am a free man!
Just how insane would this be? Anyone know?
The Official Steve Ballmer Webpage
Windows only started taking off when it got to version 3.1. Maybe the same is true of Linux?
With all this rabid outcry because i said something derogatory to the sacred 'Linux community' ( which i DO happen to belong too, just the adult side, not what its becoming ) it just proves my point.
Plus being moderated down to a troll for pointing out the obvious only serves to punctuate this.
I couldn't have done this better if i had intended on it. but alas i was only asking a simple question from a customer/users viewpoint when things got WAY out of hand.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Didn't the Scientologists for DECADES also claim that el ron was "on a cruise", when the truth was that he was "swimming with the fishes"?!?!?
No, L. Ron Hubbard actually was on a boat during that time. The reason was that out of fear of U.S. government prosecution, he decided to spend the rest of his life in international waters. Accounts vary as to the details-- some say the government actually was planning on arresting him, some say he was just being paranoid, and a couple sources claim that he did this becuase he was actively violating U.S. pedophilia laws on said boat (although these sources don't really have any documentation, so we should not be taking them too seriously).
One way or another, though, it's generally documented that l.ron's reasons for getting on this boat were because he believed it would put him out of the reach of U.S. government prosecution.
Anyway, he actually went back to the mainland in 1975 and lived for 11 more years after that, during which time several of his books (including "battlelield earth") were written, so i don't think there's much question whether he was alive during the time on the boat.
when people start complaining about how hard it is to install and configure. Because in the end it seems these people don't realize anymore that they are complaining about Linux itself.
What a bunch of garbage. Who the hell said that Linux is supposed to be hard? Why? So you can be an 3!337 hacker when you get it installed? That attitude is why linux doesn't take off on the desktop - because when newbies interested in it look for help, all they hear is "RTFM." Yeah, those manuals are real easy to read.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that linux is a religion, and that we should all be bowing down to the Great God Penguin. Crap on that. Me personally, I'm not looking for an OS to become my hobby. I'm not looking to spend hours installing a damned window manager.
All I'm looking for is an OS that works, that I can customize aspects of if I like, that comes with a good compiler, that doesn't crash, and that isn't too bloated. Linux fits all of these requirements. I personally use Slackware, which was because I wanted to learn some about the guts of Linux, but I also wanted intelligent default configurations.
However, none of this gives me, you, or anyone else the right to insult someone because they don't want to spend hours, or days, on an install. Some people have jobs, and social lives, that together preclude spending such time on an OS. For people who want an OS that just WORKS and gives them the flexibility to do what they nead to do, a distro like Mandrake may make sense. This doesn't mean that they're less "linux" than you.
I think some people need to re-evaluate why they use linux in the first place. Is it because they are using it as a replacement for a social life? A replacement for religion? An outlet for M$ hatred? Because they like hacking open OS's? Or because it just does what they want it to? Personally, I'm of the opinion that the first three groups can just piss off.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
from careless observation on the code, its probably 0xffffffff processes.
have yet to see any evidence that Linux even has a BSOD, let alone a customizable one.
On Win9x, you can, in fact, customize the kernel 'fatal error' screen. For a nice 'red screen of death', in the [386Enh] section of your SYSTEM.INI file add these two lines:
MessageTextColor=C
MessageBackColor=0
On NT-based systems, this won't do anything, but then again, your chances of ever seeing a 'BSOD' in the first place decreases by several orders of magnitude by switching to that platform in the first place...
How could my server ever reach 1000 days of uptime with Linus throwing out new major kernel releases every two years? ;-)
I've heard one of the goals with the next major Linux kernel is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) support for hot-docking of external devices and hot-swapping of devices on certain types of PCI slots.
With automatic hardware detection and configuration of peripherals in a standardized manner, maybe it might convince peripheral manufacturers to write Linux drivers en masse.
Go look at http://members.aol.com/axcel216/lastweek.htm:
;-)
"MessageBackColor=8 To specify the BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death) background (screen) color. Default is blue (1). See "BLUE (OR ANY OTHER COLOR) SCREEN OF DEATH", also in TIPS95.TXT [part of W95-11D.ZIP], or in MYTIPS31.TXT [part of W31-11D.ZIP], for complete details.
MessageTextColor=C To specify the BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death) foreground (text) color. Default is bright white (F). See "BLUE (OR ANY OTHER COLOR) SCREEN OF DEATH", also in TIPS95.TXT [part of W95-11D.ZIP], or in MYTIPS31.TXT [part of W31-11D.ZIP], for complete details."
Oh well, nice attempt
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To quote Björk, "I'm no [f-word censored] Buddhist", but I suspect many Buddhists would take exception with the expression 'ascend' to nirvana. A person does not gain anything or ascend to anywhere at enlightenment.
M
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I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
Wintendo has no floppy device, and I have disabled the floppy controller in the BIOS. Accidently clicking it in explorer makes the A750 into a paperweight for a few minutes, as I have to deal with Windows trying to work with what isn't there. It's probably partially the BIOS's fault, but the entire thing is a cluster fuck that should've been fixed back in the days of Win95.
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'Linux [A-Z]{2}' ..'
or
'Linux [[:alpha:]]{2}'
or even more flexibly
'Linux
The kexec patch should do the main part of the trick. And its status is Ready.
I found amusing that when loading this item, there was a huge Visual Studio.NET ad
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:wq
I really hate signatures, but go to my website.
An executive summary:
This is a very difficult list to read.
This is much easier, and yet hopefully more condensed [executive summary anyone?]:
* Support for USB 2.0
* Preemptive kernel option
* ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture)
* Next Generation POSIX Threading
* New VM with reverse mapping
* JFS (Journaling FileSystem from IBM)
* XFS (Journaling filesystem from SGI)
* New IO scheduler
* NUMA topology support
* etc
The kexec patch [xmission.com] should do the main part of the trick. And its status is Ready [kernelnewbies.org].
Holy crap that's sweet!
I can upgrade my kernel without rebooting!
I had no idea you could do this. Yet another reason linux rocks.
Life is too short to proofread.
3.0 or 4.0, what's the difference? Linux is still buggy and not production quality. For rock-solid stability and faster performance, try FreeBSD.
Mandrake runs fine on my pentium 166. the graphical installer is slow...and the text installer is just fine. Just install the minimum packages - and you have a nice, sweet system with no X for 100MB. Yes, that's mandrake. The "big, bloated, ugly-but-easy-to-install" mandrake. *shrug*.
Who is this Anonymous Coward character, how does he post so much, and why is he always such a whore?
For those who want more info, here's the link. Geek Cruises organize these caribbean cruises with seminars about geeky themes and recognized speakers. Interestingly enough, Linus doesn't appear in the speaker list (which includes Guido Van Rossum and Eric Raymond, among others), so I guess he is there as an attendee.
The seminars themselves look very attractive, and the fact that they're held on board a caribbean cruise doesn't hurt. If I had about 3000 dollars and a very understanding spouse, I'd like to give these a try.
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Consider a CD with Rock Ridge that has device files (/dev/hda comes to mind) with ownership to a non-root user. A user can get around /dev/ permissions by doing this if it's mounted without nodev. Also consider a suid executable owned by root. A user can run it and get root privs unless the nosuid option is set. When one user can mount as another user (as supermount would do) or with the wrong options, that's a security hole. Secondly, suppose root is copying stuff off a CD or wants to access it remotely. Do we let joe user umount it by pressing eject?
No, only Debian distributes GNU/Linux. SuSE distributes SuSE Linux, and Red Hat distributes Red Hat Linux.
;)
I'd remark on how the kernel increasing influence on userland makes the notion of "GNU/Linux" obsolete... but I'll leave it at that to minimize flames.
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Fine advice indeed. (He said, posting as AC).
I mean, if version numbers are the only issue, then surely DOS 6.0 must still be the best system out there? (No, not Win2000, internally, that's Windows 5.0.2195, obviously still inferior to DOS6.)
:)
Of course, by this logic, the greatest OS of all time may be HPUX 11.x.
AIX?
I quote from include/linux/threads.h
"#define PID_MAX_DEFAULT 0x8000"
Then I assert that you must be quite badly retarded. Maybe you just wanted people more clueless than you (should they exist) to think you could glean this highly secretive and complicated information from nothing more than a "careless observation". Why would you even want those people to look up to you anyway? Clown.
Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!
Yeah right. So rm everything but your kernel and init scripts and see what you can do with your box. Not much.
Hello,
I know a really good way to use automount. Use it to auto mount your NFS shared partitions. Albeit, on a safe network. I've done this with clusters and it solves all the nastiness of a NFS-sharing server going away. The especially nice thing is if you try to access a missing NFS share the usual way, the NFS client stops after a set number of tries. With automounting on the client will try those times, then try later withouth totally dying or losing the connection until an admin comes around and does it by hand. A very useful trick.
I always get the shakes before a drop.
Just in case somebody besides myself actually cares about how long it takes to compile a modern kernel on an old i486. . .
/home/foo/date.start /home/foo/dep.log && /home/foo/bzImage.log && /home/foo/modules.log && /home/foo/modules_install.log && /home/foo/install.log /home/foo/date.end
I recently compiled a kernel (2.4.18) on my 80486 (@ 66Mhz with 16MB memory). I knew it was going to take a while, (insert snickers bar refrence here), so I wrote a script to log the start & end times and let it run. Here's what I got.
Thu Oct 3 16:58:16 MST 2002 (Start time)
Thu Oct 3 20:10:03 MST 2002 (End time)
So if I do the math right, it took 3 hours, 11 minutes, and 57 seconds. (That is not counting make mrproper or make menuconf.)
The script looked something like
#!/bin/bash
date >
make dep >
make bzImage >
make modules >
make modules_install >
make install >
date >
Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.
What exactly do you mean by that? Surely not Uniform Modling Language. :P
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
We are talking about automount, not autoplay...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Damn. This guy is funny
Ok, take Sun's route for Java, name it as Linux 3 (or III) and continue to maintain it as 2.6 vice versa...
I'm not a driver developer, so I see the question wasn't aimed at me, but this has been done already - the infamous UDI (uniform driver interface) project, brainchild of Intel three or four years ago if I remember correctly. It was actually a uniform ABI, not just API. And it was endorsed by most of the commercial x86 Unix vendors. I guess they were hoping they could leverage Linux's comparatively broad driver support. (:
A few in the Linux kernel community, such as david parsons, supported UDI ("let's start harvesting Unixware drivers", I believe he said), but most of the others, including Linus, thought it was an idiotic waste of their time to support a third-party stable API (not to mention ABI) that would benefit all the other Unix vendors a great deal more than it would benefit Linux. Linus really doesn't like having his hands tied by in-kernel API compatibility. And, unlike most other OSes, Linux doesn't have much of a community of third-party driver developers who don't contribute directly to the master source, so Linus has the rare luxury of being able to change the API whenever a technical reason for doing so comes up. Pity the poor developers of AIX, Solaris or Windows, who have to hold on to any badly-designed APIs until the end of time so third-party video drivers (Windows) or those Oracle-specific kernel features (Unix) don't suddenly break.
(Note that the userspace API is different and is held near-sacred - nobody wants to break applications for no reason. Certain specialised apps like "ps" and "lsmod" can expect a rough ride, API-wise, but for the most part, you can still run 10-year-old Linux code.)
I think UDI eventually died the slow death of apathy - apparently without all those Linux drivers to leverage, there wasn't much point. But I could be wrong; perhaps Unixware and Solaris/x86 still support it.
"How can you claim that you are anti-crack, while still writing a window manager?" — Metacity README
Hoho, mod parent up! I can totally see a Dust Puppy version of The Prisoner now ^_^
Banaaaana!
We did, a few months before Windows 95 came out. Read the release announcement for kernel 1.2.0. Funny stuff.
"How can you claim that you are anti-crack, while still writing a window manager?" — Metacity README
According to kernelnewbies.org, CD-R/RW packet-writing is in beta. But it has been for a while now. Any news on that front? Does it work?
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Will it be easily possible (or maybe it is now, then excuse my ignorance) to have e.g. a system with 4 monitors, 4 keyboards and 4 mice to act like a server and 4 diskless terminals, only cheaper? I suppose it'd be easier to have few text consoles then few X servers, but I have really no idea. It would be cool to have graphic cards with mouse and keyboard sockets in them, but I don't think there's such a thing, at least I've never found anything like that.
root@aio:~# nmap -sX -iR -p1- # Ho, ho, ho! Merry Xmas, everyone!
More than 65536. Hardly anyone needs more than 65536, but a few people with very large boxes are asking for it. Linus put the limit at something like 2^31 (~2x10^9) but that will most likely be reduced somewhat before 2.6 actually ships.
LWN has a good writeup explaining how this issue came up, though it was written before the issue was completely resolved.
"How can you claim that you are anti-crack, while still writing a window manager?" — Metacity README
Go with the reverse mowhawk (a la Prodigy) for a hip young look and no-one will be the wiser...
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Or more precisely:
Can the currently running programs continue running, causing in effect no downtime?
Or does it require stopping all processes and starting them again after the new kernel has started, making it effectively a reboot with skipping the BIOS?
Back when I was using 2.2 kernels, Linux software RAID-0 was giving me 30% or more transfer rate increases. I was kinda hoping for something in the 80%+ area but anyway.
Linux 2.4 has been giving me transfer rates that are slower than a single drive! Since I've pretty much moved completely over to the BSD's for many months now, can anyone tell me if software RAID-0 performance under Linux after 2.2 is now decent?
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
I want you not close to my servers....
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---- Booth was a patriot ----
Try swapping out the Linux kernel from a RedHat installation and see if everything works as it did.