That is a completely unfair comparision, I don't agree with M$ being involved with this whatsoever, however, all I am saying is I will reserve judgement until their reasoning becomes more apparent. If I were given the choice on if they should be allowed to join I would instantly reject it, in a similar way that I would reject your childish comparision to a child molester working in day care, however, I reserve judgement on their reasons not on if it is right or wrong.
Additionally comparing me to someone that looks the otherway where child molestors are concerned is a really dick move dude, if you don't have anything constructive to say say nothing at all.
Although I am instantly suspicious of anything and everything microsoft does in this instance I will refrain from making a judgement one way or the other until I see how it progresses, however, that being said I don't think it would do a lot of harm to their current image to be seem to be involved in a project like this, especially considering the problems they have had in the EU recently.
Additionally when you look at the linux/*bsd distros they usually have multiple choices for software, ie you want a video player, you can choice xanim, mplayer, xine you want an IDE eclipse, kdevelop, emacs (which is really everything), glade.
You get choices on what you install and no particular product is promoted over another by the distro, excluding desktops which usually has a default but even there you have the choice on other desktops that you can install.
Microsoft does no such thing they say here you have a media player it is shiny and pretty, when you are installing they keep telling you how great the bundled features are so when you actually finish the install most users are brainwashed and never even consider alternative software.
So to summarise, Linux (as my example) says you want a media player, cool which one here is a list of bundled choices choose whichever one you like.
Windows says ohhh look at the pretty media player we have given you, you shall use it with its new widgets and you will like it, if you try and remove it we will break everything so you have to reinstall so we can try and brain wash you again.
ping/ftp/telnet (telnet for port testing not terminal emulation)
snort
iptables/ipfw/pf
emacs
gcc / gdb
No particular order, also avoiding any flames about emacs or vi, I prefer vi from commandline and emacs in X. perl is great for everything but sometimes for something tiny awk/sed is good aswell.
I use fvwm2 or e17 depending on my mood, my fvwm config uses barely any resources it is very very quick and responsive but at the same time it looks attractive, on occasion I feel like a little more eye candy and at that time I switch to e17 sometimes eye candy makes work easier especially if you are doing something boring at those times a little eye candy lightens the day.
I disagree, I have used AJAX a little and I was quite impressed the javascript isn't the whole application, it is just a means to link to a backend application and return results, the application I wrote just populated dropdown menus based on the users previous input but it made a massive difference to the loading page of the site, the site previously had all these inputs hardcoded and had all the logic on which fields to display written in complete javascript, the new method send input to a php script which queried the database and return the list to be displayed, at the end there was less total code being sent to the end user, less javascript on the page and less potential for errors. For the record the application was a mortgage application which a whole bunch of user input.
I personally think it is a lot easier to develop in *nix, providing you are not writing a GUI and even then it is easier to use linux or any other unix type OS.
My example, a couple of years ago I had to write an application that needed to run on solaris, linux and windows I used C++ to write the application and developed it entirely using kdevelop on gentoo linux, once i was finished I went to solaris and complied there was a couple of minor errors which where easily fixed using techniques that work with most C++ compilers, I then went to windows opened visual C++ and using basic drag and drop developed a GUI wrapper for the application. It worked perfectly on all three platforms.
Can you imagine trying to do this same thing using visual C++? With all the crap MS puts into it by default it is almost impossible to easily port to alternate platforms.
This application gets heavy use by the company I wrote it for, it took me perhaps an extra 2 days worth of work to get it working on the required platforms (I also checked it in AIX 5.0, FreeBSD and MacOS 10, it worked on them all). All that is required to get cross platform code is ANSI standards, there is a few special exceptions when you deal with things like sockets but there is alternatives there also. I used kdevelop you can s/kdevelop/whateverIDE/ on a unix like platform, there is no chance this would have worked using visual C++.
Additionally it is a fair test, they are using supported technologies, in the real world people are more likely to use this configuration for their systems if you can use fast RAM you will. If AMD want to take advantage of this they need to support the technology.
Please note I am a fan of AMD I have been using their processors since the k62 400mhz, but I do believe benchmarks should take full advantage of all supported technologies.
I have been using cellphones for years and never had any kind of a problem, I find them most useful, for example the third eye above my right ear helps get a better view when driving and the second head sprouting off my hip gives me someone to talk to. Heh radiation altering cells what a load of rubbish and my talking second head agrees.
Google has the stated intention of personalising search results, if you go to a personalised google home page you have the option to save your searches, over time your results will become more tailored to your usual searching habits. To perform services like this they need to save user information.
No feature-comparable version of Linux runs on a 486 (particulary a 486 as it would have existed ca. 1994). No KDE, no GNOME, no Firefox - at least not at any sort of acceptable performance level
If I want to run a firewall I can do so with linux on a base standard 486 with no extra ram, or even a router, however, I can not do the same with windows XP or 2003.
That is feature-comparable to the feature I would want to use from a windows 2003 box on a router! On a router I don't care about GUI, I don't care about eye candy I care about routing traffic, the routing feature I wish to use does compare to windows 2003, but I can do it on a 486 with 16M of ram.
MS claiming that linux will not run with the same features on old machines are forgetting that in a lot of cases people are using the machines for a specific purpose they don't want the extra cruft.
I have been using linux since the mid 90's, I have been administrating linux, solaris, *bsd for the past 6 years and I have 3 step children and a wife who have all to some extent started using linux. Linux is a great operating system as someone mentioned earlier for controlling access to what kids can and can't do on their machines especially when you introduce some of the more powerful access control elements like extended attributes on the file systems. All internet traffic in my home passes through a combination of squid and squidguard which allows me to further control my kids access to the internet as they get older they move into less restrictive access groups my 18 year old has almost unrestricted access the 16 year old still has some major blocks and the twelve year old has basically allow lists rather than deny lists.
Gentoo is awesome I tried it after getting sick and tired of SUSE about version 8.2 (I was using SUSE since 6.2) I tried LFS and that was just a nightmare.
I have converted all the developers in my office to using Gentoo one from XP and most of the rest from FC, they have all fallen in love with it, I have installed most of the servers at work with gentoo and recently even installed a server for the US Navy with gentoo/SeLinux. It is such a blissfully easy system to use once you get over the initial intimidation of having to install everything from source.
Actually I read/. everyday and Solaris is my favourite operating system, I have used Sybase, Mysql on Solaris 8 and 9, I have used Postgresql many times in linux and I am now looking forward to installing postgresql on my solaris boxes. But beyond that what is important about this article isn't so much that it doesn't relate directly to/. users as perhaps many of them don't use Solaris or Postgresql, but how it relates to Sun moving even further into the world of open source, they are now directly offering support and at low cost for an opensource database, this is hugely important because it gives a good indication that Sun is really truely commiting to OSS, rather than the lip service they have offered in the past.
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That is a completely unfair comparision, I don't agree with M$ being involved with this whatsoever, however, all I am saying is I will reserve judgement until their reasoning becomes more apparent. If I were given the choice on if they should be allowed to join I would instantly reject it, in a similar way that I would reject your childish comparision to a child molester working in day care, however, I reserve judgement on their reasons not on if it is right or wrong.
Additionally comparing me to someone that looks the otherway where child molestors are concerned is a really dick move dude, if you don't have anything constructive to say say nothing at all.
Although I am instantly suspicious of anything and everything microsoft does in this instance I will refrain from making a judgement one way or the other until I see how it progresses, however, that being said I don't think it would do a lot of harm to their current image to be seem to be involved in a project like this, especially considering the problems they have had in the EU recently.
I actually admin a closed UNIX network and don't bother to much with apps like nmap I leave that to the network and firewall admins :op
Additionally when you look at the linux/*bsd distros they usually have multiple choices for software, ie you want a video player, you can choice xanim, mplayer, xine you want an IDE eclipse, kdevelop, emacs (which is really everything), glade.
You get choices on what you install and no particular product is promoted over another by the distro, excluding desktops which usually has a default but even there you have the choice on other desktops that you can install.
Microsoft does no such thing they say here you have a media player it is shiny and pretty, when you are installing they keep telling you how great the bundled features are so when you actually finish the install most users are brainwashed and never even consider alternative software.
So to summarise, Linux (as my example) says you want a media player, cool which one here is a list of bundled choices choose whichever one you like.
Windows says ohhh look at the pretty media player we have given you, you shall use it with its new widgets and you will like it, if you try and remove it we will break everything so you have to reinstall so we can try and brain wash you again.
No particular order, also avoiding any flames about emacs or vi, I prefer vi from commandline and emacs in X. perl is great for everything but sometimes for something tiny awk/sed is good aswell.
mmmmm xgl has the sweetest eyecandy :p~~
I use fvwm2 or e17 depending on my mood, my fvwm config uses barely any resources it is very very quick and responsive but at the same time it looks attractive, on occasion I feel like a little more eye candy and at that time I switch to e17 sometimes eye candy makes work easier especially if you are doing something boring at those times a little eye candy lightens the day.
I see no indication that Daniel Robbins has gone back to OSS
The real M$ strategy to destroy OSS:
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http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/14
Lure away some of the best people in OSS with big paychecks and then put them in a corner until they are so frustrated they quit.
I disagree, I have used AJAX a little and I was quite impressed the javascript isn't the whole application, it is just a means to link to a backend application and return results, the application I wrote just populated dropdown menus based on the users previous input but it made a massive difference to the loading page of the site, the site previously had all these inputs hardcoded and had all the logic on which fields to display written in complete javascript, the new method send input to a php script which queried the database and return the list to be displayed, at the end there was less total code being sent to the end user, less javascript on the page and less potential for errors. For the record the application was a mortgage application which a whole bunch of user input.
I personally think it is a lot easier to develop in *nix, providing you are not writing a GUI and even then it is easier to use linux or any other unix type OS.
My example, a couple of years ago I had to write an application that needed to run on solaris, linux and windows I used C++ to write the application and developed it entirely using kdevelop on gentoo linux, once i was finished I went to solaris and complied there was a couple of minor errors which where easily fixed using techniques that work with most C++ compilers, I then went to windows opened visual C++ and using basic drag and drop developed a GUI wrapper for the application. It worked perfectly on all three platforms.
Can you imagine trying to do this same thing using visual C++? With all the crap MS puts into it by default it is almost impossible to easily port to alternate platforms.
This application gets heavy use by the company I wrote it for, it took me perhaps an extra 2 days worth of work to get it working on the required platforms (I also checked it in AIX 5.0, FreeBSD and MacOS 10, it worked on them all). All that is required to get cross platform code is ANSI standards, there is a few special exceptions when you deal with things like sockets but there is alternatives there also. I used kdevelop you can s/kdevelop/whateverIDE/ on a unix like platform, there is no chance this would have worked using visual C++.
Hmmmm I wonder if they will buy it? Or perhaps even better screwedbythe.eu
Additionally it is a fair test, they are using supported technologies, in the real world people are more likely to use this configuration for their systems if you can use fast RAM you will. If AMD want to take advantage of this they need to support the technology.
Please note I am a fan of AMD I have been using their processors since the k62 400mhz, but I do believe benchmarks should take full advantage of all supported technologies.
I have been using cellphones for years and never had any kind of a problem, I find them most useful, for example the third eye above my right ear helps get a better view when driving and the second head sprouting off my hip gives me someone to talk to. Heh radiation altering cells what a load of rubbish and my talking second head agrees.
Google has the stated intention of personalising search results, if you go to a personalised google home page you have the option to save your searches, over time your results will become more tailored to your usual searching habits. To perform services like this they need to save user information.
No feature-comparable version of Linux runs on a 486 (particulary a 486 as it would have existed ca. 1994). No KDE, no GNOME, no Firefox - at least not at any sort of acceptable performance level
If I want to run a firewall I can do so with linux on a base standard 486 with no extra ram, or even a router, however, I can not do the same with windows XP or 2003.
That is feature-comparable to the feature I would want to use from a windows 2003 box on a router! On a router I don't care about GUI, I don't care about eye candy I care about routing traffic, the routing feature I wish to use does compare to windows 2003, but I can do it on a 486 with 16M of ram.
MS claiming that linux will not run with the same features on old machines are forgetting that in a lot of cases people are using the machines for a specific purpose they don't want the extra cruft.
I have been using linux since the mid 90's, I have been administrating linux, solaris, *bsd for the past 6 years and I have 3 step children and a wife who have all to some extent started using linux. Linux is a great operating system as someone mentioned earlier for controlling access to what kids can and can't do on their machines especially when you introduce some of the more powerful access control elements like extended attributes on the file systems. All internet traffic in my home passes through a combination of squid and squidguard which allows me to further control my kids access to the internet as they get older they move into less restrictive access groups my 18 year old has almost unrestricted access the 16 year old still has some major blocks and the twelve year old has basically allow lists rather than deny lists.
Gentoo is awesome I tried it after getting sick and tired of SUSE about version 8.2 (I was using SUSE since 6.2) I tried LFS and that was just a nightmare.
I have converted all the developers in my office to using Gentoo one from XP and most of the rest from FC, they have all fallen in love with it, I have installed most of the servers at work with gentoo and recently even installed a server for the US Navy with gentoo/SeLinux. It is such a blissfully easy system to use once you get over the initial intimidation of having to install everything from source.
Actually I read /. everyday and Solaris is my favourite operating system, I have used Sybase, Mysql on Solaris 8 and 9, I have used Postgresql many times in linux and I am now looking forward to installing postgresql on my solaris boxes. But beyond that what is important about this article isn't so much that it doesn't relate directly to /. users as perhaps many of them don't use Solaris or Postgresql, but how it relates to Sun moving even further into the world of open source, they are now directly offering support and at low cost for an opensource database, this is hugely important because it gives a good indication that Sun is really truely commiting to OSS, rather than the lip service they have offered in the past.