That's part a - then next part b says that the db can be distributed freely with the software. IANAL - but I would think it can be used as the back end for a web site.
The limits listed below that in regard to amount of data, ram and processors are also pretty strict. I'm not an Oracle cheer-leader. But I do work with their products daily and I cringe when I see people say that MySQL or even PostgreSQL (which I absolutely love) are on par with Oracle. They aren't. They may be eventually but they are not there yet.
That kind of started this whole discussion and then price came into it. That is really irrelevant to what started the thread - but even lumping that in Oracle does provide options - narrow as they may be.
I'm done being an Oracle DBA in a few weeks - and my new job will have me working almost exclusively with FOSS products. I can't wait. But I've worked with both enough that I don't really have illusions about either and just hate to see assumptions that are wrong being tossed around about either.
Do you have a link for the free on open source projects? I'm looking but all I can find is that Wing IDE 101 is free - but it is missing most of the features of the other versions.
What's the long term cost of having a database run by somebody who doesn't know how to run a database?
If nothing will ever be done that requires dba knowledge - then a ton of products will work and Oracle Express falls into that category - with SQL Server Express in a similar boat. (Though SQL Server is limited to a single OS.)
I think people really overestimate what it takes to get Oracle installed and running. It's not that hard to do and their are vast resources available to help get one up and going. The learning curve comes as one starts to take advantage of features that aren't all that complicated but extremely powerful.
I've seen people used to working on Oracle come to me with problems they have with a MySQL database they built for something. They love it until they have a problem. Then they come ask me to fix it, like we fix their mistakes they make in the Oracle database. Problem is, we can't because they haven't done the work to make it possible.
Like any other product - MySQL is only as good as the people who have installed it and set it up.
I think the server install for Oracle is reasonable and very configurable. You are 100% right about the client side though. It is a huge pain with Oracle. The thin client is small - but doesn't work too well for a lot of things.
Yes - if you are going FOSS, MySQL has a lot of momentum. That would not be helped my the creation of an Oracle/MySQL hybrid though.
Oracle offers a number of embedded solutions.
I've always been amazed at the work Oracle puts into their products but how they lag on install tools. Not sure what the deal is there, but you are right.
But I think when it is all said and done, I don't see any real gains for Oracle to make from MySQL in their core product.
I'll have to respectfully disagree. I think Oracle brings numerous features to the table that MySQL doesn't have - and running a small database with Oracle does not come with a lot of overhead.
I run a number of small oracle installs that use very little in the way of resources. So I'm not sure why you think Oracle can't manage small databases.
I'm not a big fan of Oracle for a few reasons - but those mostly have to do with closed vs. open and some of their high-end stuff- specifically dealing with RAC. Dealing with straightforward, basic Oracle databases - small or large is dead easy and rock solid.
I work with MySQL also. It's very nice, but I am unaware of any area where it exceeds Oracle from a technical perspective. I do like very much the fact that it is open software. But I see no gains for anyone with some kind of Oracle/MySQL hybrid.
Yes - if you want more features, Oracle is expensive. Although that cost includes support. But that has nothing to do with his statement of a hybrid - unless you are saying the only thing that will be merged is cost.
What does MySQL have that Oracle needs or would improve it? I can't think of anything - seriously. I'm not trying to troll, fill me in on where MySQL is better than Oracle.
komodo edit is an extremely powerful editor that works with a slew of languages on Windows, Mac and Linux. It is free as in beer. It is packaged by ActiveState as just an editor - but really it has many features that fall more into the IDE camp - yet it is light-weight and responsive - more like an editor. This review of komodo edit may be helpful.
Komodo IDE is the big brother to Komodo edit I guess. I've never used it because the cost is outside my budget. ($295 for a full single user license - there is a student version but I don't know what it costs)
SPE is free/free I believe. It is multiplatform and the price is right to at least give it a try.
All these and more are listed on the python ide page of the python.org wiki.
That's all a matter of some discussion - which is what the author explains - this is one figure in a larger treatment of the topic.
The reason I brought it up is because I think it gives some idea of how Lindberg works to make the book fun and readable while dealing with what can be rather dry material.
This book goes a long long way to reaching what you describe. That's why I think it is so awesome. It isn't boring - it is really interesting and understandable. I think Lingberg has done a lot to keep it accurate but readable.
He doesn't treat GPL code like Darth Vader. You didn't read what I wrote. It is a scale illustrating how FSF views derivative works - ranging from mere aggregation (Anny) all the way to incorporation (Darth Vader). In between are plug-ins, dynamic linking and static linking.
Sorry to reply to myself - but when I wrote the above I was going by memory and it's been about a month since I read the book. I grabbed my copy when I got a chance and here are the details - so people know I'm not just making something up. The specific case I'm talking about here is described starting on page 180 of the book and has to do with David Barstow, a company called Schlumberger and Major League Baseball.
Barstow worked for Schlumberger and while employed there had an idea for a baseball simulator. He had signed a proprietary information agreement with Schlumberger ( an oilfield services company) so he cleared his idea with a company lawyer.
Later after he had left Schlumberger and started his own company he sued MLB for violating his patents. At some point after that - Schlumberger decided they owned all his patents including those Barstow filed after he left their employ. According to the book this case is still not finally settled.
I don't think so - I think it is used enough that it was worth taking the extra time and space. It's almost impossible to work in the FOSS arena without bumping into GPL code somewhere.
Maybe I wasn't clear. For example he talks about someone who creates an idea while they have a job can be sued by their employer if at some point that idea becomes profitable and the employer wants control. He lays out steps to help avoid having this happen.
Then he explains a case where a guy had an idea, cleared it with legal as his own idea, not connected to his job and they basically said, "Yeah - run with that, it is yours." It did well and IRIC is still in court now that they've sued him for control of it.
There are no statistics - he just proves that what he says might possibly happen is more than just a fantasy - it is based on what has and is happening.
Does that make more sense? I don't think statistical evidence about the impact of IP law is what this book is about.
Actually - the native Americans were put on reservations because they were too tough for those against them to kill them all, so they had to make concessions. The reservations are what they won- if they had lost completely they wouldn't exist any more.
I don't have to come on-line to have a deeper conversation. That wasn't what I was saying. What I'm saying is that being on-line can compliment good discussions and relationships as opposed to forcing them out from other parts of our life.
Prejudice is a human problem and I am unaware of a time in history or a place on the globe where it wasn't an issue. The fact that so many have been able to come here and do well over the years is proof that while we are not perfect, we do all right - relatively speaking.
And the religious zealots you mention. I think they are much harder find in reality than in the propaganda put out by those who have something to gain by demonizing opposing points of view. And yes - there are people doing the opposite as well. But there is an agenda there - not accuracy or truth.
Anyway those are just my thoughts about what you've pointed out.
I do live in Florida - although not in an area with a lot of retirees. I'd say that in my neighborhood, which is a lot of young families, people who speak English as their first language are in the minority.
My grandparents spoke fluent Dutch. My mother-in-law is German, but is comfortable using German, English, Spanish or Portuguese - having lived in many countries before settling here.
It probably wouldn't take long to nail down some estimates but I don't think that my situation is all that unusual.
I've only been in Florida a couple years. Before that I was mostly in Arizona - not nearly as diverse as where I am now, but still not monolithic. And I run into people all the time who explain character traits in terms of their genealogy. People with roots in the Dutch parts of the midwest aren't hard to find. It doesn't take long to identify someone from up north with heavy Norwegian or Swedish influence. Lots of folks are very proud of their Irish ancestry and refer to it often. I just don't meet to many people who have no knowledge of or don't attribute how they are to heritage that extends outside the US.
I tried mapping out my runs that way - thing is, if you really want a high level of accuracy, GPS is the way to go. And there's no work involved in getting those very nice results - that include detailed pace information, elevation changes and more - not just location. And decent GPS units that are very compact are pretty affordable now.
What I can't grasp is paying for an iphone - the associated contract - and it's size. If someone already owns one - they can afford something much better suited to the task and cheaper. If they don't own one - buying it to run with isn't too smart as far as I can figure.
Running far enough or out in the middle of nowhere - when a phone would be smart might make it worthwhile I guess. Not sure what else would do it.
I'd be interested in hearing how you've come to know that America is a socially inept country beyond your own observation. If that's all you have, my observations differ. Although, to be fair, I think most statements about America are as much about the rest of the world as they are about the US. This country really hasn't been here all that long and most people I meet still identify on some level with their ancestry - which by and large is made up of immigrants.
Aside from that I'd say that technology does much more to remove isolation than build it up. This conversation I'm having right now is deeper than many I'll have today with people speaking to me in person about weather, sports and gas prices or current events. Not all will be that way, but many. I'm not sure how missing out on a few of those would be detrimental to anyone.
And finally - to be really on topic. When I run I don't want to talk to anyone. I want to listen to music and think. I process things. There is absolutely no reason that every moment of our lives needs to be social. In fact, in order to be of some value socially, I think it is worthwhile to spend a decent amount of time reflecting and thinking - before we speak.
There are many better solutions than lugging around an iphone while you run. Not to mention the cost of it all.
In fact if anything they are moving in the other direction with cheaper options than requiring a nano. I think Nike is seeing that the real strength of this is in the social networking aspect of their site. Which is a nice platform for advertising all their other running products.
I would wonder if you've even hit on the fact that Apple may be trying to stop Nike from seeking out other partners - rather than just sticking with Apple.
I've already posted this above - but I've got nothing else to do - so I guess I'll say it again. Apple and Nike don't care. They sell the sensors all on their own. In fact here is a link to the sensor for sale - all by itself - at the Apple Store. So the patent application doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And I don't think most of the Nike+ shoes come with a sensor. I'm pretty sure they just have the empty pocket where you can insert the sensor.
And on the flip side, Nike now sells this arm band that allows you to do the whole thing without the nano.
I used it for a while (with Brooks shoes) but replaced it with a Garmin Forerunner - the GPS is much more accurate and gives me a lot more data on my runs. I still use the nano for music. If the forerunner had the same functionality to play music and give auditory cues on distance, time, etc. it would be perfect. For now I use both.
It's a pedometer in the shoe - that sends data to a receiver connected to the nano- so that the nano can store the data. It's actually pretty slick. At any time you can hit the wheel thing on the nano and the music volume drops and a human voice gives you data on time, distance and pace.
When the nano is connected to a pc - the data can be sent to a Nike site that does all the other stuff mentioned in the other reply to your post.
It is possible to buy the sensor without the shoe. In fact, I had assumed that the sensor never came with the shoe - but that Nike sold shoes that had a built in pocket for the sensor.
I bought a sensor and a nano - but I don't run in Nike shoes. But a few different companies make pouches designed just to hold the sensor, at the laces.
I bought it before the application date on the patent.
I ended up getting a Garmin Forerunner now that they are smaller. Much better as far as accuracy and amount of information. I still run with the Nano for music but not the pedometer. And I'm not positive on this - but I could swear that I saw an ad in Runners World for a nike thing that let you use the sensor without a nano.
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That's part a - then next part b says that the db can be distributed freely with the software. IANAL - but I would think it can be used as the back end for a web site.
The limits listed below that in regard to amount of data, ram and processors are also pretty strict. I'm not an Oracle cheer-leader. But I do work with their products daily and I cringe when I see people say that MySQL or even PostgreSQL (which I absolutely love) are on par with Oracle. They aren't. They may be eventually but they are not there yet.
That kind of started this whole discussion and then price came into it. That is really irrelevant to what started the thread - but even lumping that in Oracle does provide options - narrow as they may be.
I'm done being an Oracle DBA in a few weeks - and my new job will have me working almost exclusively with FOSS products. I can't wait. But I've worked with both enough that I don't really have illusions about either and just hate to see assumptions that are wrong being tossed around about either.
Do you have a link for the free on open source projects? I'm looking but all I can find is that Wing IDE 101 is free - but it is missing most of the features of the other versions.
What's the long term cost of having a database run by somebody who doesn't know how to run a database?
If nothing will ever be done that requires dba knowledge - then a ton of products will work and Oracle Express falls into that category - with SQL Server Express in a similar boat. (Though SQL Server is limited to a single OS.)
I think people really overestimate what it takes to get Oracle installed and running. It's not that hard to do and their are vast resources available to help get one up and going. The learning curve comes as one starts to take advantage of features that aren't all that complicated but extremely powerful.
I've seen people used to working on Oracle come to me with problems they have with a MySQL database they built for something. They love it until they have a problem. Then they come ask me to fix it, like we fix their mistakes they make in the Oracle database. Problem is, we can't because they haven't done the work to make it possible.
Like any other product - MySQL is only as good as the people who have installed it and set it up.
I'd say simplicity of management is debatable.
I think the server install for Oracle is reasonable and very configurable. You are 100% right about the client side though. It is a huge pain with Oracle. The thin client is small - but doesn't work too well for a lot of things.
Yes - if you are going FOSS, MySQL has a lot of momentum. That would not be helped my the creation of an Oracle/MySQL hybrid though.
Oracle offers a number of embedded solutions.
I've always been amazed at the work Oracle puts into their products but how they lag on install tools. Not sure what the deal is there, but you are right.
But I think when it is all said and done, I don't see any real gains for Oracle to make from MySQL in their core product.
I'll have to respectfully disagree. I think Oracle brings numerous features to the table that MySQL doesn't have - and running a small database with Oracle does not come with a lot of overhead.
I run a number of small oracle installs that use very little in the way of resources. So I'm not sure why you think Oracle can't manage small databases.
I'm not a big fan of Oracle for a few reasons - but those mostly have to do with closed vs. open and some of their high-end stuff- specifically dealing with RAC. Dealing with straightforward, basic Oracle databases - small or large is dead easy and rock solid.
I work with MySQL also. It's very nice, but I am unaware of any area where it exceeds Oracle from a technical perspective. I do like very much the fact that it is open software. But I see no gains for anyone with some kind of Oracle/MySQL hybrid.
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Yes - if you want more features, Oracle is expensive. Although that cost includes support. But that has nothing to do with his statement of a hybrid - unless you are saying the only thing that will be merged is cost.
What does MySQL have that Oracle needs or would improve it? I can't think of anything - seriously. I'm not trying to troll, fill me in on where MySQL is better than Oracle.
komodo edit is an extremely powerful editor that works with a slew of languages on Windows, Mac and Linux. It is free as in beer. It is packaged by ActiveState as just an editor - but really it has many features that fall more into the IDE camp - yet it is light-weight and responsive - more like an editor. This review of komodo edit may be helpful.
Komodo IDE is the big brother to Komodo edit I guess. I've never used it because the cost is outside my budget. ($295 for a full single user license - there is a student version but I don't know what it costs)
SPE is free/free I believe. It is multiplatform and the price is right to at least give it a try.
All these and more are listed on the python ide page of the python.org wiki.
Personally - right now I use Komodo edit while I wait for python support in netbeans.
That's all a matter of some discussion - which is what the author explains - this is one figure in a larger treatment of the topic.
The reason I brought it up is because I think it gives some idea of how Lindberg works to make the book fun and readable while dealing with what can be rather dry material.
This book goes a long long way to reaching what you describe. That's why I think it is so awesome. It isn't boring - it is really interesting and understandable. I think Lingberg has done a lot to keep it accurate but readable.
He doesn't treat GPL code like Darth Vader. You didn't read what I wrote. It is a scale illustrating how FSF views derivative works - ranging from mere aggregation (Anny) all the way to incorporation (Darth Vader). In between are plug-ins, dynamic linking and static linking.
Sorry to reply to myself - but when I wrote the above I was going by memory and it's been about a month since I read the book. I grabbed my copy when I got a chance and here are the details - so people know I'm not just making something up. The specific case I'm talking about here is described starting on page 180 of the book and has to do with David Barstow, a company called Schlumberger and Major League Baseball.
Barstow worked for Schlumberger and while employed there had an idea for a baseball simulator. He had signed a proprietary information agreement with Schlumberger ( an oilfield services company) so he cleared his idea with a company lawyer.
Later after he had left Schlumberger and started his own company he sued MLB for violating his patents. At some point after that - Schlumberger decided they owned all his patents including those Barstow filed after he left their employ. According to the book this case is still not finally settled.
I don't think so - I think it is used enough that it was worth taking the extra time and space. It's almost impossible to work in the FOSS arena without bumping into GPL code somewhere.
Maybe I wasn't clear. For example he talks about someone who creates an idea while they have a job can be sued by their employer if at some point that idea becomes profitable and the employer wants control. He lays out steps to help avoid having this happen.
Then he explains a case where a guy had an idea, cleared it with legal as his own idea, not connected to his job and they basically said, "Yeah - run with that, it is yours." It did well and IRIC is still in court now that they've sued him for control of it.
There are no statistics - he just proves that what he says might possibly happen is more than just a fantasy - it is based on what has and is happening.
Does that make more sense? I don't think statistical evidence about the impact of IP law is what this book is about.
You need to look that word up - it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Actually - the native Americans were put on reservations because they were too tough for those against them to kill them all, so they had to make concessions. The reservations are what they won- if they had lost completely they wouldn't exist any more.
I don't have to come on-line to have a deeper conversation. That wasn't what I was saying. What I'm saying is that being on-line can compliment good discussions and relationships as opposed to forcing them out from other parts of our life.
Prejudice is a human problem and I am unaware of a time in history or a place on the globe where it wasn't an issue. The fact that so many have been able to come here and do well over the years is proof that while we are not perfect, we do all right - relatively speaking.
And the religious zealots you mention. I think they are much harder find in reality than in the propaganda put out by those who have something to gain by demonizing opposing points of view. And yes - there are people doing the opposite as well. But there is an agenda there - not accuracy or truth.
Anyway those are just my thoughts about what you've pointed out.
Exactly - spend some time in the 'old country' and it doesn't take one long to get a strong sense of just how young this nation is.
I do live in Florida - although not in an area with a lot of retirees. I'd say that in my neighborhood, which is a lot of young families, people who speak English as their first language are in the minority.
My grandparents spoke fluent Dutch. My mother-in-law is German, but is comfortable using German, English, Spanish or Portuguese - having lived in many countries before settling here.
It probably wouldn't take long to nail down some estimates but I don't think that my situation is all that unusual.
I've only been in Florida a couple years. Before that I was mostly in Arizona - not nearly as diverse as where I am now, but still not monolithic. And I run into people all the time who explain character traits in terms of their genealogy. People with roots in the Dutch parts of the midwest aren't hard to find. It doesn't take long to identify someone from up north with heavy Norwegian or Swedish influence. Lots of folks are very proud of their Irish ancestry and refer to it often. I just don't meet to many people who have no knowledge of or don't attribute how they are to heritage that extends outside the US.
I tried mapping out my runs that way - thing is, if you really want a high level of accuracy, GPS is the way to go. And there's no work involved in getting those very nice results - that include detailed pace information, elevation changes and more - not just location. And decent GPS units that are very compact are pretty affordable now.
What I can't grasp is paying for an iphone - the associated contract - and it's size. If someone already owns one - they can afford something much better suited to the task and cheaper. If they don't own one - buying it to run with isn't too smart as far as I can figure.
Running far enough or out in the middle of nowhere - when a phone would be smart might make it worthwhile I guess. Not sure what else would do it.
very nice - gonna grab that as my new sig if you don't mind.
I'd be interested in hearing how you've come to know that America is a socially inept country beyond your own observation. If that's all you have, my observations differ. Although, to be fair, I think most statements about America are as much about the rest of the world as they are about the US. This country really hasn't been here all that long and most people I meet still identify on some level with their ancestry - which by and large is made up of immigrants.
Aside from that I'd say that technology does much more to remove isolation than build it up. This conversation I'm having right now is deeper than many I'll have today with people speaking to me in person about weather, sports and gas prices or current events. Not all will be that way, but many. I'm not sure how missing out on a few of those would be detrimental to anyone.
And finally - to be really on topic. When I run I don't want to talk to anyone. I want to listen to music and think. I process things. There is absolutely no reason that every moment of our lives needs to be social. In fact, in order to be of some value socially, I think it is worthwhile to spend a decent amount of time reflecting and thinking - before we speak.
There are many better solutions than lugging around an iphone while you run. Not to mention the cost of it all.
In fact if anything they are moving in the other direction with cheaper options than requiring a nano. I think Nike is seeing that the real strength of this is in the social networking aspect of their site. Which is a nice platform for advertising all their other running products.
I would wonder if you've even hit on the fact that Apple may be trying to stop Nike from seeking out other partners - rather than just sticking with Apple.
I've already posted this above - but I've got nothing else to do - so I guess I'll say it again. Apple and Nike don't care. They sell the sensors all on their own. In fact here is a link to the sensor for sale - all by itself - at the Apple Store. So the patent application doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And I don't think most of the Nike+ shoes come with a sensor. I'm pretty sure they just have the empty pocket where you can insert the sensor.
And on the flip side, Nike now sells this arm band that allows you to do the whole thing without the nano.
I used it for a while (with Brooks shoes) but replaced it with a Garmin Forerunner - the GPS is much more accurate and gives me a lot more data on my runs. I still use the nano for music. If the forerunner had the same functionality to play music and give auditory cues on distance, time, etc. it would be perfect. For now I use both.
It's a pedometer in the shoe - that sends data to a receiver connected to the nano- so that the nano can store the data. It's actually pretty slick. At any time you can hit the wheel thing on the nano and the music volume drops and a human voice gives you data on time, distance and pace.
When the nano is connected to a pc - the data can be sent to a Nike site that does all the other stuff mentioned in the other reply to your post.
It is possible to buy the sensor without the shoe. In fact, I had assumed that the sensor never came with the shoe - but that Nike sold shoes that had a built in pocket for the sensor.
I bought a sensor and a nano - but I don't run in Nike shoes. But a few different companies make pouches designed just to hold the sensor, at the laces.
I bought it before the application date on the patent.
I ended up getting a Garmin Forerunner now that they are smaller. Much better as far as accuracy and amount of information. I still run with the Nano for music but not the pedometer. And I'm not positive on this - but I could swear that I saw an ad in Runners World for a nike thing that let you use the sensor without a nano.