It is egregious. If there was a processing error on their part, fine - tell people they had a bug and "if you DO want to receive email from us, please go to (url here) and change your preferences." That too hard to do?
And, you don't get 2 weeks to re-customize: THEY get 2 weeks to process the change you make in your prefs.
It doesn't only take half a second. Depending on your connectjon speed, it will take up to a few seconds to receive the message. Seeing that it's from eBay, you'll probably read it before you delete it. (In fact, deleting it without reading is going to cause you even more grief in this case.) So you read it, then delete it. Much more than half a second, and then you either repeat the procedure for each and every eBay message they choose to spam you with, OR you take even more time to go to the web site, log on, and change your prefs again. They're not getting your money, but they *are* getting some of your time and some of your attention.
A lot! You specify that you don't want to receive certain (or any) types of communication from a company. The company reverts your settings and begin sending those communications anew. That's - precisely - spam.
1) I have a list of domains that I block from my private machine. That OK?
2) Whenever the list is modified, it gets autoconverted to HTML and posted on my site. On top it says: This is a list of domains I block (for whatever reason). That OK, or am I not allowed to publically display a list of domains I block for whatever reason?
3) Some people trust me to compile the list wisely, and use it for their machines too, but they have to copy the list and write the rules manually. I don't know who these people are and don't care. That still OK?
4) The same, but automated. Now you have MAPS.
If I post a list of "Places where I spent holidays and didn't have much fun" am I "deliberately interfering with" hotel business in those places?
Not spyware? So why does it say on Opera homepage they've partnered with Cydoor, the known spyware maker?
How about
http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm
Plus, does Opera 5 support codepages other than ISO-8859-1? I've been trying all releases up to 4.02, and I still can't view properly encoded HTML documents in my own language (needs 8859-2). MS IE and Netscape got this right before versions 3.0 of each. I can't see how they can be selling a browser that can't display standards-conforming HTML in at least half European languages - not to mention the rest of the world.
And how do you contact those vague "people"? The diving team was Norwegian, at least leat on *my* TV:-) And the Russians see more or less what you and I saw on TV. How would a random Russian individual know if their Navy lost a sub - other then by learning about it from the media?
Note only that. A classic rock band I won't name has several great videos of live performances, available from well-known dot-com retailers. For some of these items, pricing schemes are simply ludicrous: $15.99 for a DVD, $79.96 for a VHS of the same show. Seventy-five bucks, for a 1979 video that received not a bit of promotion anywhere. Yet another VHS tape goes for around $120. Regular stock, not imports or rarities. And... this stuff is *on sale*.
This shows how code really _is_ law, for better or, in this case, for worse.
Whoever wrote the Enforcer has all the right to do so and distribute it for free or otherwise, but I find the guy's attitude simply despicable - especially in his glib remarks about the alleged hole in Freenet's security. He has the priorities all wrong.
(I wonder if this is going to start a new pattern. So far, lots of good coders have made a name for themselves by writing, say, "alternative" applications that went against the mainstream - e.g. PGP. Now, as a means of self-promotion, one can do better by sucking up to the corporate world: "look at this, I think it's going to help you nab all those pesky teenagers!")
from TC Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc,gnu.misc.discuss Subject: GNU attacks on the open software community Date: 21 May 1998 01:00:51 GMT Message-ID: 6jvuc3$dg4$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu
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It is egregious. If there was a processing error on their part, fine - tell people they had a bug and "if you DO want to receive email from us, please go to (url here) and change your preferences." That too hard to do?
And, you don't get 2 weeks to re-customize: THEY get 2 weeks to process the change you make in your prefs.
It doesn't only take half a second. Depending on your connectjon speed, it will take up to a few seconds to receive the message. Seeing that it's from eBay, you'll probably read it before you delete it. (In fact, deleting it without reading is going to cause you even more grief in this case.) So you read it, then delete it. Much more than half a second, and then you either repeat the procedure for each and every eBay message they choose to spam you with, OR you take even more time to go to the web site, log on, and change your prefs again. They're not getting your money, but they *are* getting some of your time and some of your attention.
A lot! You specify that you don't want to receive certain (or any) types of communication from a company. The company reverts your settings and begin sending those communications anew. That's - precisely - spam.
Bzzt, wrong. Consider:
1) I have a list of domains that I block from my private machine. That OK?
2) Whenever the list is modified, it gets autoconverted to HTML and posted on my site. On top it says: This is a list of domains I block (for whatever reason). That OK, or am I not allowed to publically display a list of domains I block for whatever reason?
3) Some people trust me to compile the list wisely, and use it for their machines too, but they have to copy the list and write the rules manually. I don't know who these people are and don't care. That still OK?
4) The same, but automated. Now you have MAPS.
If I post a list of "Places where I spent holidays and didn't have much fun" am I "deliberately interfering with" hotel business in those places?
Shutting down MAPS - _that_ would be censorship.
Or - maybe the government is doing something illegal. Or maybe a corporation.
Not spyware? So why does it say on Opera homepage they've partnered with Cydoor, the known spyware maker?
How about
http://accs-net.com/smallfish/cydoor.htm
Plus, does Opera 5 support codepages other than ISO-8859-1? I've been trying all releases up to 4.02, and I still can't view properly encoded HTML documents in my own language (needs 8859-2). MS IE and Netscape got this right before versions 3.0 of each. I can't see how they can be selling a browser that can't display standards-conforming HTML in at least half European languages - not to mention the rest of the world.
Well *actually*, "Well well well" was written by Bob Dylan (with Danny O'Keefe) :-)
And how do you contact those vague "people"? The diving team was Norwegian, at least leat on *my* TV :-) And the Russians see more or less what you and I saw on TV. How would a random Russian individual know if their Navy lost a sub - other then by learning about it from the media?
Note only that. A classic rock band I won't name has several great videos of live performances, available from well-known dot-com retailers. For some of these items, pricing schemes are simply ludicrous: $15.99 for a DVD, $79.96 for a VHS of the same show. Seventy-five bucks, for a 1979 video that received not a bit of promotion anywhere. Yet another VHS tape goes for around $120. Regular stock, not imports or rarities. And... this stuff is *on sale*.
This shows how code really _is_ law, for better or, in this case, for worse.
Whoever wrote the Enforcer has all the right to do so and distribute it for free or otherwise, but I find the guy's attitude simply despicable - especially in his glib remarks about the alleged hole in Freenet's security. He has the priorities all wrong.
(I wonder if this is going to start a new pattern. So far, lots of good coders have made a name for themselves by writing, say, "alternative" applications that went against the mainstream - e.g. PGP. Now, as a means of self-promotion, one can do better by sucking up to the corporate world: "look at this, I think it's going to help you nab all those pesky teenagers!")
GetRight installs Aureate spyware, doesn't it? Different company, same idea.
It's not, though. I got my copy from amazon just two weeks ago. Normal shipment, i.e. no waiting.
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: GNU attacks on the open software community
Date: 21 May 1998 01:00:51 GMT
Message-ID: 6jvuc3$dg4$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu
and, from RMS
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Copylefting manuals
Date: 28 May 1998 22:00:17 -0400
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