Margaret Mead wrote years ago that the pace of cultural change in the West was accelerating so rapidly that the young were coming to believe they had nothing to learn from their elders
While this is true I think it was taken out of context. Margaret Mead's earlier works were a comparative study between the sexual mores of adolescents as discussed briefly in an online biography here in Samoa and New Guinea and those of young people in so-called civilized or modern societies - especially in the United States.
In 1925 she [Mead] set out for American Samoa, where she did her first field work, focusing on adolescent girls, and in 1929 she went... to Manus Island in New Guinea, where she studied the play and imaginations of younger children and the way they were shaped by adult society.
Although it's been some time since I've studied Mead's work in my Anthro courses, I seem to recall that she found that Americans more or less adopted the Freudian school of thought regarding sex (especially among adolescents) and the so-called primitive societies she studied had no such inhibitions regarding teenaged sex.
From my notes: Mead showed how primitive societies were relatively tolerant towards the sexual behaviour of adolescents, contrasting sharply with the anxiety shown in Western (especially Protestant) cultures towards sexual development.
I feel much the same way as you do about books. I grew up in a family that were avid readers and can remember my mother (and sometimes my father) reading to us from the classics. Although we didn't realize it at the time, those reading times were bonding times. Our parents would get us involved in each story by asking our views and opinions of the content after each chapter and answering our questions. For our birthdays, Christmas, and other special occaisions, we could always count on receiving a book among other gifts. We learned to cherish our books and each of us have accumulated impressive libraries.
I have instilled the same love of books in my own children. Both children are highly literate and have very active imaginations.Instead of being afraid to read or disliking it to the point of avoidance, they look forward to reading a good novel and see it as personal private time. I'm sure they can do the same with ebooks, but it's not quite as tangible.
I have nothing against ebooks if the technology will encourage more of our youth to read. That alone is quite a feat considering so many children are coming out of the public school system practically illiterate. My concern is more with the quality of content.Will online books be a steady stream of assembly line novels from authors under contract to pump out the books for profit? Will ebooks instill the value real books do or will they just be a steady stream of read it - delete it - forget it? I know I've revisited books after several years and enjoyed them as much the second time. I've also shared books by reading them to my children. I suppose one could store ebooks on cd's for future reads, but IMHO it's just not the same.
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I never liked IE ever. It's bulky and slow and java script sux big time. Even when I did run windows back about 4 yrs ago I used Netscape.
Netscape has become very unstable under any platform so I switched to Opera. It's a great browser... it's stable, fast, and not so full of bells n whistles that it's bogged down. I hope they don't go the same route as IE and NS.
Oops... you said grandfather sorry I read it wrong at first. Yes it does suck but I wouldn't put nething past our modern so-called *civilized* governments.
Great example, but I wouldn't be able to vote either because my grandmother didn't have the right to vote and she was white. My mother gained the right to vote as she was born in 1915, but my grandmother died two years before women gained the right to vote in 1919.
customs officials in the airports WILL be on the lookout for this guy.
I highly doubt Dimitry would take a commercial jet out of the USA. Even if he did flee to Canada or Mexico he wouldn't be staying in either country longer than it takes to board a private jet off the continent.
One thing you both seem to evade is that this is a business law, lobbied and paid for. The main reason this should be ruled unconstitutional is that it abridges the people and upholds the concept and fact that indeed corporations have more rights than individuals. If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, you need to seperate corporate and state just as happened with the seperation of church and state.
Personally if I were him this whole experience would have shown me how much the US sucks
In all fairness and even though this whole ugly busniness leaves a foul taste in our mouths, I think it's encouraging to see ordinary US citizens stand firm for Dimitry. It's our government that sucks and we need to let that be known loud and clear in the next election. We now know neither the dems nor the reps are fit to serve. Speak volumes with fringe votes in the next election.
I don't know Dmitry so I have no idea if he would flee or if he would want to "fight for his innocence". If he fled the jurisdiction, it would be nigh unto admitting guilt.
Put yourself in Dimitry's shoes.. arrested in Russia. Would you flee? Would that mean that you are guilty necessarily? I didn't think so.
He is facing a facist law and arrest in what has become a fascist countly. I sure as hell would flee and I wouldn't blame him a bit for it.
Be civil, be courteous and be well spoken if given the opportunity to speak on television, radio or even to the public. Don't alienate the public. Most of them couldn't care less about this case.
Unfortunately only the militant get media attention. It's called sensationalism and journalists are encouraged to focus on the militant fringe. Mumble something about brownie points (bonuses) and keeping media sponsors happy.
Unless Adobe starts paying for ALL of Sklyarov's legal defense, they deserve a boycott, bad publicity, protests, and everything else.
Still not enough! Adobe needs to not only pay his legal expenses but all of his expenses... unspent airline ticket, time off work, deprivation from his family and comrades, etc.
Adobe also needs to make a public apology to this man and his family and comrades and to the public at large (not just the technical community). Adobe needs to disassociate themselves with the DMCA and work for its repeal.
discerning people like yourself may look at the options, and choose the best music at the best price. But your average music buyer purchases what the media and the RIAA says he or she should purchase.
I think you may be wrong. If you consider the amount of homes that have Internet connections today and have already been exposed to alternative music media, then you will realize that Will in Seattle is correct.
Consider the impact Free online music has had on the music industry... enough to allow the RIAA to buy congress right?
Now consider that there will always be free online music despite any legislation (underground distros). Add to that the concept Will in Seattle proposes and I think you'll see that his is indeed the best idea.
Ask teenagers what they want for Christmas this year and I'll bet you it'll be a bigger harddrive, and a couple of hundred cdr's. These same teens will be looking all over the net for music... even beyond the freebie sites. I doubt they will be willing to pay the Warner Bros.'s subscription fees for bubble gum music and invest their allowances rather in the same concept Will in Seattle proposes.
I have paid for my music in several different format already and I'll be damned if I'm going to opt for another form of tax on music like this bill proposes.
First of all I paid for music on singles... does anyone remember 45s?
Then I paid for the music on albums.
Then I paid for it on cassettes (and even some on 8-tracks).
Then I paid for the music on cd (that which is available on cd)
and NOW they want me to pay a monthly user fee to download music from the Internet?
Say $5. - $10./month to start???
Under the new copyright bill (MOCA) they offer EXCLUSIVE ORGANIZATIONS licenses? EXCUSE ALL HELL OUT OF ME but how is that "fair use" to the consumer? Sure it will start out as a minimal fee to pay once again for the music (surtaxes), but how long until these exclusive organizations start crying costs and steadily raise the subscription license fees... make no mistake... that's what's being proposed.
In addition. I have been collecting music sine the early 1960s and this proposed bill wants me to PROVE I own the music? They better be ready to get warrants to enter my home and get the proof because there's no way I kept 40+ years of receipts!
I think it's time to stop shafting consumers left right and center and start repealing garbage laws like the DMCA. MOCA should not even get off the ground.. it's that bogus. I own my music, and a great deal of it on several formats. I will do what I please with it because I have already paid enough damn royalties on it.
Next step... watch the corporations start releasing music box sets for d/l including songs never previously released. What hogwash!
I pay for my computer, I pay for my modem, I pay for an internet hookup and I also pay for a IRC network service I chose to run. Now the gov't in all its wisdom expect me to PAY for online music to listen to or download??? DREAM ON dear politicians... it isn't going to happen.
I sure as hell hope your emmissions shit don't go. Like the catalitic converter for example.
At 80K miles on our 1996 Grand Am, our catalitic converter went. We called around to parts/junkyard dealers to see if we could get one cheaper than the dealership price.
NO parts/junkyard dealers are permitted to sell the catalitic converter. It's restricted to GM dealerships only. The oxygen sensor price used to be $20.00 when it was placed before the converter. Now it's place after the catalitic converter and it's $90.00 for the part alone.
I guess you can say that GM dealerships have got consumers by the [censored]. We all know how prices are extremely inflated at car dealerships. Is this not a form of monopoly practices that hurt consumers as well?
Not to nitpick or anything like that, but it's spelled genius... not genious.
It's been said hundreds of times on slashdot and it's getting old...
they are GIVING AWAY their product, and it comes bundled with web browsers, office programs, paint programs, everything under the sun.
With Linux you are given the choice to install these products or not. Not so with M$. You cannot completely uninstall IE in Windows whether you want to or not. You cannot say to the OEM don't install Windows on my machine, I prefer Linux. It's not going to happen and even if you/deltree windows and install Linux on your new PC, you cannot get a refund for the windows o/s you'll never use.
They should be forced to not give away anything with the OS, right?
Wrong. It doesn't... the kernel is just that... a kernel. You're getting distributions mixed up with bundling. I've heard (could be wrong) that under Wine you can run M$ Office97, but I don't know how stable it is. Of course, I don't have it here to test anyway.. I typed/deltree windows in Nov. 99. Anything not DirectX seems to work fine on Linux using Wine.
I think it's a good thing that the courts rejected the government's request to speed up the hearings. The courts have handled this affair very well and have not backed down to M$ or government pressure to get back to business-as-usual.
Whether we like it or not, M$ still has the lion's share of the market and this court case
hurts the economy. The government wants to see a hasty end to this whole mess and M$ would probably get off with a slap on the wrist. The courts, however, see it differently and want to pursue the illegalities surrounding M$'s business practices.
Hammering M$ for anti-trust violations will rightfully send a clear message to the AOL/TM's, the GE's and other huge mergers-to-acquire-monopoly corporations. Look how many huge corporations followed M$'s business strategies. Hell even our government has jumped on that bandwagon with their recent draconian legislations.
It would not be in anyone's interest to let government speed up the courts... least of all the consumers' interests. I'm sure the courts realize this and if they don't then we'd all better move to Russia where they now have a democracy.
I like that idea. How about going even further. If some of the techies on slashdot were to form a group of technical citizens and use the same approach we may get the message across more clearly and effectively. When asking for an audience, we would need to reserve enough time to present our case in person and our letter would have to spell out exactly what we wish to discuss.
At the moment our elected officials are listening to the masses - people who get their info feed from the TV which is largely corporate sponsored. They hear about proposed laws on TV and get the corporate view only. It follows that they will give the *nod* to much draconian legislation we have seen coming out of Washington.
I'm not optomistic that it will do any good largely because we're so outnumbered by the drones on the couch, but it's certainly worth a try.
Companies are so big that 'dollar votes' are insignificant.
If that were true and boycotts of falling off sales don't affect large corporations then explain the need for the DMCA and this latest round from DirectTV. Boycotts have always been a very effective way to dollar vote.
It's time to set aside the tired "Republicans vs. Democrats" misdirections and recognize that both sides are having great success at eliminating annoying liberties under the guise of protecting us.
Right you are! Now Nader was urged to setup a shadow gov't... taking every piece of legislation passed by either dems or reps and countering them (hypothetically) with what a Nader presidency would do. Guess he got bored with the idea:). I want to know wtf these politicians are smoking and why it hasn't been legalized yet?
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Outside the US, where speech is not so free.
Let's wait till after the assembly from Sept. 30 - Oct. 4/01 in Washington to see whether or not you believe that statement.
While this is true I think it was taken out of context. Margaret Mead's earlier works were a comparative study between the sexual mores of adolescents as discussed briefly in an online biography here in Samoa and New Guinea and those of young people in so-called civilized or modern societies - especially in the United States.
Although it's been some time since I've studied Mead's work in my Anthro courses, I seem to recall that she found that Americans more or less adopted the Freudian school of thought regarding sex (especially among adolescents) and the so-called primitive societies she studied had no such inhibitions regarding teenaged sex.
From my notes: Mead showed how primitive societies were relatively tolerant towards the sexual behaviour of adolescents, contrasting sharply with the anxiety shown in Western (especially Protestant) cultures towards sexual development.
I feel much the same way as you do about books. I grew up in a family that were avid readers and can remember my mother (and sometimes my father) reading to us from the classics. Although we didn't realize it at the time, those reading times were bonding times. Our parents would get us involved in each story by asking our views and opinions of the content after each chapter and answering our questions. For our birthdays, Christmas, and other special occaisions, we could always count on receiving a book among other gifts. We learned to cherish our books and each of us have accumulated impressive libraries.
I have instilled the same love of books in my own children. Both children are highly literate and have very active imaginations.Instead of being afraid to read or disliking it to the point of avoidance, they look forward to reading a good novel and see it as personal private time. I'm sure they can do the same with ebooks, but it's not quite as tangible.
I have nothing against ebooks if the technology will encourage more of our youth to read. That alone is quite a feat considering so many children are coming out of the public school system practically illiterate. My concern is more with the quality of content.Will online books be a steady stream of assembly line novels from authors under contract to pump out the books for profit? Will ebooks instill the value real books do or will they just be a steady stream of read it - delete it - forget it? I know I've revisited books after several years and enjoyed them as much the second time. I've also shared books by reading them to my children. I suppose one could store ebooks on cd's for future reads, but IMHO it's just not the same.
My guess is they're working on CRIII
I never liked IE ever. It's bulky and slow and java script sux big time. Even when I did run windows back about 4 yrs ago I used Netscape. Netscape has become very unstable under any platform so I switched to Opera. It's a great browser ... it's stable, fast, and not so full of bells n whistles that it's bogged down. I hope they don't go the same route as IE and NS.
Oops ... you said grandfather sorry I read it wrong at first. Yes it does suck but I wouldn't put nething past our modern so-called *civilized* governments.
... think!
Piss off a politician today
Great example, but I wouldn't be able to vote either because my grandmother didn't have the right to vote and she was white. My mother gained the right to vote as she was born in 1915, but my grandmother died two years before women gained the right to vote in 1919.
http://www.datafellows.com
F-prot is available for home users free and it's much better than McCrapee.
I REALLY doubt McAfee was the only one doing this in 1998.
No kidding! How about F-secure/F-prot at www.datafellows.com ?
customs officials in the airports WILL be on the lookout for this guy.
I highly doubt Dimitry would take a commercial jet out of the USA. Even if he did flee to Canada or Mexico he wouldn't be staying in either country longer than it takes to board a private jet off the continent.
One thing you both seem to evade is that this is a business law, lobbied and paid for. The main reason this should be ruled unconstitutional is that it abridges the people and upholds the concept and fact that indeed corporations have more rights than individuals. If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, you need to seperate corporate and state just as happened with the seperation of church and state.
Personally if I were him this whole experience would have shown me how much the US sucks
In all fairness and even though this whole ugly busniness leaves a foul taste in our mouths, I think it's encouraging to see ordinary US citizens stand firm for Dimitry. It's our government that sucks and we need to let that be known loud and clear in the next election. We now know neither the dems nor the reps are fit to serve. Speak volumes with fringe votes in the next election.
Yea, he can report back to Russia what a fucked up country this is.
Don't steal - politicians hate competition.
I don't know Dmitry so I have no idea if he would flee or if he would want to "fight for his innocence". If he fled the jurisdiction, it would be nigh unto admitting guilt.
.. arrested in Russia. Would you flee? Would that mean that you are guilty necessarily? I didn't think so.
He is facing a facist law and arrest in what has become a fascist countly. I sure as hell would flee and I wouldn't blame him a bit for it.
Put yourself in Dimitry's shoes
Be civil, be courteous and be well spoken if given the opportunity to speak on television, radio or even to the public. Don't alienate the public. Most of them couldn't care less about this case.
Unfortunately only the militant get media attention. It's called sensationalism and journalists are encouraged to focus on the militant fringe. Mumble something about brownie points (bonuses) and keeping media sponsors happy.
Unless Adobe starts paying for ALL of Sklyarov's legal defense, they deserve a boycott, bad publicity, protests, and everything else.
Still not enough! Adobe needs to not only pay his legal expenses but all of his expenses... unspent airline ticket, time off work, deprivation from his family and comrades, etc.
Adobe also needs to make a public apology to this man and his family and comrades and to the public at large (not just the technical community). Adobe needs to disassociate themselves with the DMCA and work for its repeal.
Isn't it suppose to be by of for the *people*?
.......
by the corporations, to the government (which the corporations own) and to the people (as in dictated).
It is supposed to be that but it IS
discerning people like yourself may look at the options, and choose the best music at the best price. But your average music buyer purchases what the media and the RIAA says he or she should purchase.
... enough to allow the RIAA to buy congress right?
... even beyond the freebie sites. I doubt they will be willing to pay the Warner Bros.'s subscription fees for bubble gum music and invest their allowances rather in the same concept Will in Seattle proposes.
... THINK!
I think you may be wrong. If you consider the amount of homes that have Internet connections today and have already been exposed to alternative music media, then you will realize that Will in Seattle is correct. Consider the impact Free online music has had on the music industry
Now consider that there will always be free online music despite any legislation (underground distros). Add to that the concept Will in Seattle proposes and I think you'll see that his is indeed the best idea.
Ask teenagers what they want for Christmas this year and I'll bet you it'll be a bigger harddrive, and a couple of hundred cdr's. These same teens will be looking all over the net for music
Piss off a politician today
I have paid for my music in several different format already and I'll be damned if I'm going to opt for another form of tax on music like this bill proposes.
Under the new copyright bill (MOCA) they offer EXCLUSIVE ORGANIZATIONS licenses? EXCUSE ALL HELL OUT OF ME but how is that "fair use" to the consumer? Sure it will start out as a minimal fee to pay once again for the music (surtaxes), but how long until these exclusive organizations start crying costs and steadily raise the subscription license fees
In addition. I have been collecting music sine the early 1960s and this proposed bill wants me to PROVE I own the music? They better be ready to get warrants to enter my home and get the proof because there's no way I kept 40+ years of receipts!
I think it's time to stop shafting consumers left right and center and start repealing garbage laws like the DMCA. MOCA should not even get off the ground
Next step
I pay for my computer, I pay for my modem, I pay for an internet hookup and I also pay for a IRC network service I chose to run. Now the gov't in all its wisdom expect me to PAY for online music to listen to or download??? DREAM ON dear politicians
I sure as hell hope your emmissions shit don't go. Like the catalitic converter for example. At 80K miles on our 1996 Grand Am, our catalitic converter went. We called around to parts/junkyard dealers to see if we could get one cheaper than the dealership price.
NO parts/junkyard dealers are permitted to sell the catalitic converter. It's restricted to GM dealerships only. The oxygen sensor price used to be $20.00 when it was placed before the converter. Now it's place after the catalitic converter and it's $90.00 for the part alone.
I guess you can say that GM dealerships have got consumers by the [censored]. We all know how prices are extremely inflated at car dealerships. Is this not a form of monopoly practices that hurt consumers as well?
through my computer science genious
... not genious.
...
they are GIVING AWAY their product, and it comes bundled with web browsers, office programs, paint programs, everything under the sun.
/deltree windows and install Linux on your new PC, you cannot get a refund for the windows o/s you'll never use.
... a kernel. You're getting distributions mixed up with bundling. I've heard (could be wrong) that under Wine you can run M$ Office97, but I don't know how stable it is. Of course, I don't have it here to test anyway .. I typed /deltree windows in Nov. 99. Anything not DirectX seems to work fine on Linux using Wine.
Not to nitpick or anything like that, but it's spelled genius
It's been said hundreds of times on slashdot and it's getting old
With Linux you are given the choice to install these products or not. Not so with M$. You cannot completely uninstall IE in Windows whether you want to or not. You cannot say to the OEM don't install Windows on my machine, I prefer Linux. It's not going to happen and even if you
They should be forced to not give away anything with the OS, right?
Wrong. It doesn't... the kernel is just that
I think it's a good thing that the courts rejected the government's request to speed up the hearings. The courts have handled this affair very well and have not backed down to M$ or government pressure to get back to business-as-usual.
... least of all the consumers' interests. I'm sure the courts realize this and if they don't then we'd all better move to Russia where they now have a democracy.
Whether we like it or not, M$ still has the lion's share of the market and this court case hurts the economy. The government wants to see a hasty end to this whole mess and M$ would probably get off with a slap on the wrist. The courts, however, see it differently and want to pursue the illegalities surrounding M$'s business practices.
Hammering M$ for anti-trust violations will rightfully send a clear message to the AOL/TM's, the GE's and other huge mergers-to-acquire-monopoly corporations. Look how many huge corporations followed M$'s business strategies. Hell even our government has jumped on that bandwagon with their recent draconian legislations.
It would not be in anyone's interest to let government speed up the courts
I like that idea. How about going even further. If some of the techies on slashdot were to form a group of technical citizens and use the same approach we may get the message across more clearly and effectively. When asking for an audience, we would need to reserve enough time to present our case in person and our letter would have to spell out exactly what we wish to discuss.
At the moment our elected officials are listening to the masses - people who get their info feed from the TV which is largely corporate sponsored. They hear about proposed laws on TV and get the corporate view only. It follows that they will give the *nod* to much draconian legislation we have seen coming out of Washington.
I'm not optomistic that it will do any good largely because we're so outnumbered by the drones on the couch, but it's certainly worth a try.
Companies are so big that 'dollar votes' are insignificant.
If that were true and boycotts of falling off sales don't affect large corporations then explain the need for the DMCA and this latest round from DirectTV. Boycotts have always been a very effective way to dollar vote.
It's time to set aside the tired "Republicans vs. Democrats" misdirections and recognize that both sides are having great success at eliminating annoying liberties under the guise of protecting us.
:). I want to know wtf these politicians are smoking and why it hasn't been legalized yet?
Right you are! Now Nader was urged to setup a shadow gov't... taking every piece of legislation passed by either dems or reps and countering them (hypothetically) with what a Nader presidency would do. Guess he got bored with the idea