you're effectively buying an extremely capable computing machine which happens to have a nice graphics card for probably around $4,000 to 5,000 total if you take into account lots of fast SATA or SCSI disk space (might as well do it up right?) and a good graphics card.
granted, theres very little software and practically zero games for itanium- as of yet.
bring back MIPS boxes, sell them cheap (below cost) for a while, show many cpu 64 bit systems with mega number crunching for at or less than what sun sells for.. maybe could rekindle?
ive been in several of those, but more importantly, I had to evade a road rage incident. I dont even think I did anything to the guy, but all of a sudden he was charging after us, middle finger extended, and i accelerated through 110 mph and he was still after us, i finally let him catch up shifted lanes threw on the brakes and did a u-ey across the median and got the hell out of there. In any case, if the computer had locked me out from driving that fast for more than a few seconds, I don't want to know what would have happened.
FWIW, I'm not an idiot driver, I wasn't on a cell phone, I didnt cut him off, and I have a commercial drivers license (for driving school and transit busses).
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more like covering up for the fact hes getting screwed, whether or not he has enough money already.
The problem in principles here. If i were getting screwed out of 100 million, even if i already had 200 million, i'd be pissed. If Bill Gates or Carnegie let big chunks of money slide because they already had enough, their companies might not have succeeded.
Besides, maybe he was expecting that money so he could donate it somewhere. You never know.
ill take banner ads and text flowing around ads any day, but once you start having one popup or worse take control of my browser and give me enough popups to crash my system, ill ad block until the end of time. I'm all for ads paying for content, just dont make them such a pain in the ass. You can't have it both ways, either your site has to have ads in it (inline) or youll have to get money elsewhere, but content providers want their pages to look ad-free, almost like the popups arent coming because of them. IMHO, doubleclick is doomed, but ads on pages arent, just obtrusive popovers and popunders.
forgot to add.. why have the same thing with different package formats? Isn't that like having a dozen different form factors for 1.44mb drives and expecting software developers to generate installer disks in each form factor?
The world you suggest with the burger coming different from different vendors sounds more like the commercial world or something like closed source where its take it or leave it.
but what we have is two completely flexible corporations where ultimately with some modifications you can make your burger however you want, but more or less chose to leave it one way.
this isnt burger king versus mcdonalds. you can chose your packaging, you can chose many things. Why not make a couple of basic types or perhaps one basic type and make it modular so you can piece together exactly how you want things to work. Either way, take one or a couple of basic types and make them extensible enough to meet or closely meet the needs of all but the most bleeding edge folks.
i just think it would better serve the world if the effort was spent on less distributions that can provide exactly what you're talking about with perhaps some modifications.
source is something that once installed is hard/impossible to roll back if you need to switch packages or do some other gyrations to get something working. There's no way to be sure you got all the malignancy if you need a clean reversion.
source has to be compiled for every machine, source packages only have to be compiled once per architecture. when you manage 400+ machines, this becomes -very- important. When you can't find a source package or a binary package (presuming its compiled the way you need it) you have to devote a lot of time depending on the package to get it ready to roll out to all of the systems.
the average user has no idea what it's like to keep that many machines up and running and get all the software on them that users need/want. In any case, quite a lot have redhat S/RPMs which is just fine for us, but there are still a handful of packages that we have to roll ourselves, and in my personal use there are -quite- a lot more that need to be done.
You also missed the point of my post- imagine if all the different eyes/hands that were working on all of the different distros worked on say two or three distributions instead. Imagine how much faster flaws would be patched and features would be added. More than that, I really don't see what is so different about some of these distributions aside from the name, some use xinetd, some use inetd, some use rcX.d directories, some use a couple of rc scripts, etc... Now if people were either willing to take the time to understand another distribution's layout (which generally shouldn't take long for a seasoned admin), we could really focus on quality and not quantity.
IMHO, we shouldn't need a guide to the different distributions. Ideally a couple basic types that could be extensible into what people need- for one simple reason: cooperation. Why have all these different people fixing security and other problems in all these different distributions when we could take all those same people and put those eyes towards a much lower number of lines of code. IMHO, there's more in namesake adoration in the different distributions than there are actual differences in functionality provided. All these distributions with all their different package formats makes it that much harded for the open source developers to release source. Why should every end user have to compile from source when a package could be available, or why should every developer have to make packages for the umpteen different distributions? There isn't even a common source package format that would let you quickly build the appropriate package for your distribution. It's quite a pain at times to find some of the less common packages even for a 'major' distribution like RedHat enterprise linux or fedora core. IMHO, we need to ditch some of these and work towards a couple of perhaps more flexibly administered distributions.
What if you could get something like a write-once memory stick with a few Kb of space on it that would hold something like a public or private key.. My thought was you get a key signed by a signer that timestamps the key and what not, and then you stick that key in the camera and it is somehow used to watermark/sign the images generated by the camera. Therefore having the key would be at least as much proof of ownership as having a negative. Perhaps chains like walmart could offer their own key signing kiosk, and if you lost your key you could get them replaced by showing your id or something.
Seems like that's the only way we'll get around this.. at least then if someone went through all the technical trouble (if possible) and faked a key or something theyd be the ones at risk for the lawsuit, not the store.
FWIW, I used to have problems with film cameras at stores when I tried to get prints even from negatives. Ultimately I had to make up a foobar letterhead for a fake studio and 'forge' our my own credentials for a fictitious company. Same thing works for getting copies of business keys made;o)
Please cite your source? I haven't heard for sure either way, but the mac admins at my university seem to think they'll have some sort of hardware mechanism that will prevent OS X from loading without it.
why bother, i mean really.. You're not really upgrading so much as shoving a bunch of pc parts in a g4 box, in the end you've still just got a pc, and ultimately one without openprom so you wont be able to run os x.
After more reading, it appears from TFA that power pc was going to plateau at some point, but even so, the stigma of the intel inside part is probably going to shutdown the flames of a lot of mac fans.
There will be some that pay the extra for the mac style and mac os x (especially for the older crowd or the transitional user), but I think eventually the raw cost of stuff off pricewatch is going to win out.
Thats me too.. I have to wonder why they didnt release the OS for intel earlier.
I'm mostly a web programmer in PHP/ASP.NET, but I do lots of winders devel in C++ and C# as well. I was ready to make my next notebook a power book and just run virtual pc or something to do devel work when i have to but mainly use the desktop for the winders related stuff..
now my problem is solved for the most part though I still do like the look of the power books and the g5's...
in truth there are other things that make a platform great besides the CPU. There are motherboards that way outperform others simply because of design. Dell has a series of mainboards they designed that we bought in a bunch of Precision 650's about a year or two ago.. They kicked ass in everything compared to similarly configured units from other vendors. In any case, companies like SGI and Sun have proven that you can build a better performing mainboard around the intel cpu..
so this isn't a complete loss IMHO, but certainly dissappointing.
apple has lost one of three things I thought that made them special- risc processor, and still remaining are design and the OS.. But I remember there being oodles of video guys who bought macs because of the cpu and its multimedia performance.
Why is it all of the good cpus die in the face of the cheap intel stuff? (Read MIPS, Ultra Sparc- not dead but almost, Alpha, etc) I understand that the price drives the market, but people seemed to be willing to pay for the apple cpu's performance.
It's sad to see another great cpu go down the toilet.
the article mentioned one engine for each wheel.. i know in some larger electric engine situations (electric passenger trains) the engines are directly attached to the wheel.. and this certainly sounds that way too..
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uh.. no..
you're effectively buying an extremely capable computing machine which happens to have a nice graphics card for probably around $4,000 to 5,000 total if you take into account lots of fast SATA or SCSI disk space (might as well do it up right?) and a good graphics card.
granted, theres very little software and practically zero games for itanium- as of yet.
bring back MIPS boxes, sell them cheap (below cost) for a while, show many cpu 64 bit systems with mega number crunching for at or less than what sun sells for.. maybe could rekindle?
hardly offtopic, even from me, the loser in the duel.
"and voil"?
ive been in several of those, but more importantly, I had to evade a road rage incident. I dont even think I did anything to the guy, but all of a sudden he was charging after us, middle finger extended, and i accelerated through 110 mph and he was still after us, i finally let him catch up shifted lanes threw on the brakes and did a u-ey across the median and got the hell out of there. In any case, if the computer had locked me out from driving that fast for more than a few seconds, I don't want to know what would have happened.
FWIW, I'm not an idiot driver, I wasn't on a cell phone, I didnt cut him off, and I have a commercial drivers license (for driving school and transit busses).
more like covering up for the fact hes getting screwed, whether or not he has enough money already.
The problem in principles here. If i were getting screwed out of 100 million, even if i already had 200 million, i'd be pissed. If Bill Gates or Carnegie let big chunks of money slide because they already had enough, their companies might not have succeeded.
Besides, maybe he was expecting that money so he could donate it somewhere. You never know.
ill take banner ads and text flowing around ads any day, but once you start having one popup or worse take control of my browser and give me enough popups to crash my system, ill ad block until the end of time. I'm all for ads paying for content, just dont make them such a pain in the ass. You can't have it both ways, either your site has to have ads in it (inline) or youll have to get money elsewhere, but content providers want their pages to look ad-free, almost like the popups arent coming because of them. IMHO, doubleclick is doomed, but ads on pages arent, just obtrusive popovers and popunders.
forgot to add.. why have the same thing with different package formats? Isn't that like having a dozen different form factors for 1.44mb drives and expecting software developers to generate installer disks in each form factor?
The world you suggest with the burger coming different from different vendors sounds more like the commercial world or something like closed source where its take it or leave it.
but what we have is two completely flexible corporations where ultimately with some modifications you can make your burger however you want, but more or less chose to leave it one way.
this isnt burger king versus mcdonalds. you can chose your packaging, you can chose many things. Why not make a couple of basic types or perhaps one basic type and make it modular so you can piece together exactly how you want things to work. Either way, take one or a couple of basic types and make them extensible enough to meet or closely meet the needs of all but the most bleeding edge folks.
i just think it would better serve the world if the effort was spent on less distributions that can provide exactly what you're talking about with perhaps some modifications.
does that make more sense or meet your needs?
source and source package are pretty different.
source is something that once installed is hard/impossible to roll back if you need to switch packages or do some other gyrations to get something working. There's no way to be sure you got all the malignancy if you need a clean reversion.
source has to be compiled for every machine, source packages only have to be compiled once per architecture. when you manage 400+ machines, this becomes -very- important. When you can't find a source package or a binary package (presuming its compiled the way you need it) you have to devote a lot of time depending on the package to get it ready to roll out to all of the systems.
the average user has no idea what it's like to keep that many machines up and running and get all the software on them that users need/want. In any case, quite a lot have redhat S/RPMs which is just fine for us, but there are still a handful of packages that we have to roll ourselves, and in my personal use there are -quite- a lot more that need to be done.
You also missed the point of my post- imagine if all the different eyes/hands that were working on all of the different distros worked on say two or three distributions instead. Imagine how much faster flaws would be patched and features would be added. More than that, I really don't see what is so different about some of these distributions aside from the name, some use xinetd, some use inetd, some use rcX.d directories, some use a couple of rc scripts, etc... Now if people were either willing to take the time to understand another distribution's layout (which generally shouldn't take long for a seasoned admin), we could really focus on quality and not quantity.
IMHO, we shouldn't need a guide to the different distributions. Ideally a couple basic types that could be extensible into what people need- for one simple reason: cooperation. Why have all these different people fixing security and other problems in all these different distributions when we could take all those same people and put those eyes towards a much lower number of lines of code. IMHO, there's more in namesake adoration in the different distributions than there are actual differences in functionality provided. All these distributions with all their different package formats makes it that much harded for the open source developers to release source. Why should every end user have to compile from source when a package could be available, or why should every developer have to make packages for the umpteen different distributions? There isn't even a common source package format that would let you quickly build the appropriate package for your distribution. It's quite a pain at times to find some of the less common packages even for a 'major' distribution like RedHat enterprise linux or fedora core. IMHO, we need to ditch some of these and work towards a couple of perhaps more flexibly administered distributions.
What if you could get something like a write-once memory stick with a few Kb of space on it that would hold something like a public or private key.. My thought was you get a key signed by a signer that timestamps the key and what not, and then you stick that key in the camera and it is somehow used to watermark/sign the images generated by the camera. Therefore having the key would be at least as much proof of ownership as having a negative. Perhaps chains like walmart could offer their own key signing kiosk, and if you lost your key you could get them replaced by showing your id or something.
;o)
Seems like that's the only way we'll get around this.. at least then if someone went through all the technical trouble (if possible) and faked a key or something theyd be the ones at risk for the lawsuit, not the store.
FWIW, I used to have problems with film cameras at stores when I tried to get prints even from negatives. Ultimately I had to make up a foobar letterhead for a fake studio and 'forge' our my own credentials for a fictitious company. Same thing works for getting copies of business keys made
and what do ya know, "Trusted Computing".. a la this article
Hmm, cool. Thanks!
Please cite your source? I haven't heard for sure either way, but the mac admins at my university seem to think they'll have some sort of hardware mechanism that will prevent OS X from loading without it.
why bother, i mean really.. You're not really upgrading so much as shoving a bunch of pc parts in a g4 box, in the end you've still just got a pc, and ultimately one without openprom so you wont be able to run os x.
didn't bother me, i make mistakes too, I just thought it might be funny ;o)
and disillusioned too, I bet.
rather, to clarify, once quantum computing evolves a while (years, decades?)
never say "*ever*".. I'll speculate that quantum computing could produce such a computation faster than we'd like to think.
After more reading, it appears from TFA that power pc was going to plateau at some point, but even so, the stigma of the intel inside part is probably going to shutdown the flames of a lot of mac fans.
There will be some that pay the extra for the mac style and mac os x (especially for the older crowd or the transitional user), but I think eventually the raw cost of stuff off pricewatch is going to win out.
Thats me too.. I have to wonder why they didnt release the OS for intel earlier.
I'm mostly a web programmer in PHP/ASP.NET, but I do lots of winders devel in C++ and C# as well. I was ready to make my next notebook a power book and just run virtual pc or something to do devel work when i have to but mainly use the desktop for the winders related stuff..
now my problem is solved for the most part though I still do like the look of the power books and the g5's...
in truth there are other things that make a platform great besides the CPU. There are motherboards that way outperform others simply because of design. Dell has a series of mainboards they designed that we bought in a bunch of Precision 650's about a year or two ago.. They kicked ass in everything compared to similarly configured units from other vendors. In any case, companies like SGI and Sun have proven that you can build a better performing mainboard around the intel cpu..
so this isn't a complete loss IMHO, but certainly dissappointing.
apple has lost one of three things I thought that made them special- risc processor, and still remaining are design and the OS.. But I remember there being oodles of video guys who bought macs because of the cpu and its multimedia performance.
Why is it all of the good cpus die in the face of the cheap intel stuff? (Read MIPS, Ultra Sparc- not dead but almost, Alpha, etc) I understand that the price drives the market, but people seemed to be willing to pay for the apple cpu's performance.
It's sad to see another great cpu go down the toilet.
the article mentioned one engine for each wheel.. i know in some larger electric engine situations (electric passenger trains) the engines are directly attached to the wheel.. and this certainly sounds that way too..
would each wheel have its own gearing?