So you are saying that Bradley Manning's leaks did harm the US*? Delayed recognition is better than none I suppose.
*Not that there was any real question about that. High cost, no useful outcome.
How could you possibly come to that conclusion? There's no way @dbll was saying that. I don't want to speak for him/her, but they said the oil company already had that opinion (that the US couldn't keep its intel secure).
By oil company, they surely meant "Shell", the US based juggernaut. The documents revealed that the company had inserted staff and fully infiltrated the Nigerian government, hence they told the US they could ensure that the Nigeria's 2009 Petroleum Industry Bill would favorably treat the US/Shell.
Agreed. I'm actually let down that this was "reported" on Slashdot in this manner. The entire thing is suspect, and it's been handled in typical fashion by news organizations across the country (countries) i.e., they just repeat what has been told to them by an anonymous government source, providing nothing remotely resembling evidence, in a manner that just happens to support the establishment's needs.
We can't even get voting machines that are secure and verifiable. We contract companies with no accountability to make these, and they don't even listen to third party researchers, or calls for open reviews. Why on earth would we think we could secure it on a public network, with umpteen more attack vectors?
*COUGH* Bullshit. They've been using these TI calcs for over 20-25 years.... WAY, WAY before people could use a device to "Google" solutions. The fact that they have contracts and books, and lord knows what else is what keeps their devices in play and permitted for testing. If nothing else, at least the cost was driven down because of the fact that their parts are dirt cheap compared to my day (early 90's) when you couldn't get a TI for under a few hundred bucks. I don't know if the new color models with crazy interfaces are allowed in schools now, but please know that the internet had no bearing on the original decision to allow these calcs to be used in testing.
Thank you for your advice. I did in fact do yoga for a good six months. It really helped with stress from work, and it actually helped a lot with lower back and abdomen strength. I am trying to get up the strength to get back into it now. I practiced Aikido for years, and I was also a competitive long distance runner. It's difficult trying to run like I used to, because it can be a real strain on your back and knees. I also have two screws in my ankle, that put me through a year of physical therapy. I don't know why I left that out of my original post. I guess I was nervous when I was writing earlier. It's not easyto open up, especially in an unrelated forum such as slashdot.
Thanks for the rather insincere advice and encouragement. I didn't do what I did for a job... I did it to relieve severe pain. I didn't have doctors that cared about my well being. Ignorance isn't an excuse, but I never knew what this could lead to. No one ever expects to end up as a junkie.
Stress didn't lead me to drugs, pain did. Saying that it's the "American Way" is a lame way to tell someone you don't approve of their actions. I shared my story to hopefully help someone else who is having trouble dealing with chronic pain, or possibly addiction. Obviously it's easier for you to write me off as a junkie, and say that I took drugs for money?!?!? I discussed my career, to illustrate what I LOST from drugs, not what i stood to gain. I never used drugs to further my career... that is the most unintelligent thing I've read in years. I don't know how you took that from my post.
Please, before you assume something as harsh as that again, take into consideration how it might make someone feel. You don't know me, and you obviously don't care about the subject we're all discussing. Please take your arrogance and ignorance somewhere else. It's really sad that people can't have a serious discussion here, without being trashed by someone who read way too much into someone's personal experience.
RE-read the post, and think about what you said. You might just change your mind.
I agree totally, but there are instances where the damage is already done, and no amount of strength training will fix the problem at hand. Building up strength in yourlower back and abdomen are two of the most important things you can do for preventative maintenance for you back. Gaining muscle and flexibilty in your lower back and abdomen can and will make your life easier if you suffer from mild to moderate bacak pain. But if you suffer from a bulged or slipped disc, or even a pinched nerve, make suree you see a real doctor before taking everyones advice to just "get healthy", because a serious injury like that does not "fix itself" through exercise. In fact, you can make the problem much worse, if you're not very careful.
I guess what I'm getting at, is don't take back pain lightly. It is a serious issue, that deserves serious consideration. Pain killers are NOT an answer. They only treat the symptoms and disguise the real problem. See a doctor! See more than one doctor. Make sure you get more than one diagnosis. Quite often, doctors are not qualified to diagnose and treat serious back problems. Misdiagnosis and mistreatment are can be major problems, that can very easily lead to a lifetime of pain and addiction to pain killers.
If you don't have serious back problems, then by all means, take care of it now. Exercise regularly, and use common sense. Use good posture and place your keyboard/mouse in an ergonomically correct position. It could mean the difference between a healthy, happy life, and one plagued with chronic back pain, and even worse, opiate addiction.
What are you talking about? Have you ever had a bulged disc, or a pinched nerve? How about surgery? It is easier to say these things when you aren't experiencing real pain, for an extended period of time.
I never expected to see a "Howard Stern Rules" type of comment in this thread. Use your brain, and try to think things out for yourself, instead of believing the only thing you've ever read about the subject. Howard Stern is by no means an authorative figure onthis subject. BTW... what did you mean by "try TM"??
Oh God!!! I copied my post off the page, and I completely forgot to add the html tags back in... this looks terrible. I just wanted people to be able to read a real post on this subject... beacuse it really hits home with me, and some of my other friends in the tech industry.
I was kind of expecting to get flamed for posting it twice, and for the subject as well... but now I can expect it for the tagless quality too.
Sometimes, you just can't win....Hopefully someone still reads this, and thinks about it.
I am posting this under a new account, as my old account has been ravished by people at work that were logging in as me and not knowing it. Please disregard the original post.
I have had serious backpain for more than six yeares. I am only in my mid twenties, and I have been in and out of the hospital for this. I started taking pain killers about six years ago for a pinched nerve/bulged disc after injuring my lower back lifting an HP 4mv (big laser printer). I was only 18, and they didn't want to consider surgery at the time. The doctor said that the pain killers would help with the immediate pain, and physical therapy would help after that.
At first they relieved the pain without a problem. I went to therapy and after a few months things seemed to get much better. I continued my job as a system administrator for a small newspaper. I spent at least 10 hours a day 5 to 7 days a week sitting in a chair hunched over a keyboard. My back seemed ok, but six months later, I was disconnecting a patch cable from a computer that needed to be taken into my office, and what do you know... I threw my back out again.!
I went back to the doctor, and immediately, they gave me another prescription of pain killers. I took these until my back was well enough to go to physical therapy again. This time my doctor warned me that if I didn't really start to get active and take better care of my back, that it could get worse on it's own. I finished out my physical therapy and wen back to work. While I was at work, sitting in my chair, to all hours of the night, my back started hurting me. It would hurt no matter what I was doing. I didn't need to be lifting something to have it bother me. I went to my doctor and he gave me something else for pain. It was a less powerful pain killer. It didn't seem to cut the pain like the previous presccriptions did. I ended up taking more of them to acheive the same level of pain relief. It was really hard to go to work and sit in a chair for nearly 60 hours a week, because my lower back was always hurting.
My doctor ended up cutting me off the pills, so that I wouldn't develop an addiction problem. Unfortunately it was probably too late. That night I was in a lot of pain, and I ended up calling my family doctor (at almost midnight) at his home, to get him to call me in some pain killers. He did so, but told me never to ask him again, without having an appointment. After all, he wasn't treating me for my back problems, my nuerologist was.
I went through those pretty fast, and ended up going back to him for more. He turned me down, and ended up sending me back to a physical therapist. The therapist told me that I needed to take better care of my back, and put me through vigorous therapy, until I built up my muscles in my back enough to go without pain everyday.
Move ahead two years in the story, and throw in a a few more stints with back injuries (some work related, some not) and there I was, back on pain killers. it was a fulltime job to get doctors to keep prescribing them to me. One of my close friends had a similar problem, and he was on them all the time too. We joined efforts, and contributed to each others addiction. Years went by, and before long, we were really, hardcore opiate addicts. I still had the back pain, because I never changed my lifestyle enough to make a difference. I spent 60+ hours a week at work, developing my career at a fortune 500 corporation. I was 23, and I had it all. I was making 50k/year, living in my home town, working as the Data/Voice Network Engineer for said company. I had a reputation for going way beyond what was expected of me when it came to work. I had secured myself into the Executive I.S. Development Program in the corporation. That meant I was in training (at a corporate level) for a position as a Information Systems Director at one of the 200 hundred daily newspapers that my fortune 500 corporation owned.
I was on top of the world... at least I thought. I also had a bad pain killer addiction, that up until now, had not proved to be a real problem in my life. I was able to juggle the doctors, and keep the pills coming in, because I was making real good money, and the cost of living is really low in my city in southern Florida.
Things were about to get much worse, and I was in no way prepared to deal with what was to come. My friend, who also took painkiller, found a source for "opium"... but it was in pouder form. He brought it over, and we played around with it, snorting it. Before I knew it, I liked it a lot. I ended up buying it frequently, to fill in for pain killers when I was low. Little did I know, this was heroin. I ended up getting hooked on it in a relatively short period of time. It was so much like pain killers, but it was better. I couldn't quit. It started interfering with my job, and getting in betweenme and my friends. When I found out what it really was, I was already doing a lot of it, and didn't think anything of it. I was stupid, and blinded. I knew that I needed something for my pain, because my back was serious problem, but heroin was NOT the answer. Six months went by, and I tried to get help. I talked to my alreday suspicious family and boss. I took a sabatical from work, and tried to get treatment. I moved out of my house, and in with my family, who helped me through some really rough times.
I ended up going back to work, but things were not the same. I had really ruined what I spent almost four years building. All the trust, and all the smiles had gone away. Work became a hard thing to deal with. I was still dealing with pain, because I was no longer taking pain killers, or H. I ended up getting an email from some head hunter, looking for a network engineer to be a consultant for a regional hospital chain. I took the offer right away. I wanted a clean start, and they were offering much more money than I was making at the current company.
After a few months of working at the new job, clean and sober, until I met a girl who was going through the same thing I was. She had just quit H, and needed help getting clean. I figured who better to help than someone who has been there. We started dating, and before long we were both back on H. Within a month, I had lost my job, my new apartment, and I was living with her. I continued to use, but found a new job. A few months went by, and we both wanted to get clean. We tried going cold turkey, but it didn't work. After months of attempting to get clean, and many times, almost lodingmy new job, I ended up in a methadone clinic. After a couple weeks, I wasn't using at all. It helped me get clean, and it also helped a lot with pain in my back. Things were getting much better at work, because I was more there, mentally, and I wasn't missing work all the time.
I am still with that employer. It was only two months ago that I got on methadone. I am the network admin for a local ISP. I don't make nearly what I used to. I have really damamaged my friendship with my family and friends. I'm in debt, and I still have back pain. It's no where near the same level if pain that I used to have, but at least I'm not taking pills everyday. I don't want to be on methadone for much longer, but I'm scared.
I am your average, everyday Joe. None of my friends ever would have guessed what I was going through. I hid it from everyone because I was salways in fear of losing my job, or worse, someone finding out what I was really going through. If anyone out there is having a "problem" with pills, after having back problems, please, don't let it get out of control. I regret what I went through everyday of my life. No one should have to go through this. Ever.
Let the flames begin....
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So you are saying that Bradley Manning's leaks did harm the US*? Delayed recognition is better than none I suppose.
*Not that there was any real question about that. High cost, no useful outcome.
How could you possibly come to that conclusion? There's no way @dbll was saying that. I don't want to speak for him/her, but they said the oil company already had that opinion (that the US couldn't keep its intel secure).
By oil company, they surely meant "Shell", the US based juggernaut. The documents revealed that the company had inserted staff and fully infiltrated the Nigerian government, hence they told the US they could ensure that the Nigeria's 2009 Petroleum Industry Bill would favorably treat the US/Shell.
Agreed. I'm actually let down that this was "reported" on Slashdot in this manner. The entire thing is suspect, and it's been handled in typical fashion by news organizations across the country (countries) i.e., they just repeat what has been told to them by an anonymous government source, providing nothing remotely resembling evidence, in a manner that just happens to support the establishment's needs.
We can't even get voting machines that are secure and verifiable. We contract companies with no accountability to make these, and they don't even listen to third party researchers, or calls for open reviews. Why on earth would we think we could secure it on a public network, with umpteen more attack vectors?
Won't somebody please Think of the CHILDREN!?!?
*COUGH* Bullshit. They've been using these TI calcs for over 20-25 years.... WAY, WAY before people could use a device to "Google" solutions. The fact that they have contracts and books, and lord knows what else is what keeps their devices in play and permitted for testing. If nothing else, at least the cost was driven down because of the fact that their parts are dirt cheap compared to my day (early 90's) when you couldn't get a TI for under a few hundred bucks. I don't know if the new color models with crazy interfaces are allowed in schools now, but please know that the internet had no bearing on the original decision to allow these calcs to be used in testing.
Watch Shane Carruth's movie, "Primer" to see how that idea worked out (the good and bad). ;-)
Thank you for your advice. I did in fact do yoga for a good six months. It really helped with stress from work, and it actually helped a lot with lower back and abdomen strength. I am trying to get up the strength to get back into it now. I practiced Aikido for years, and I was also a competitive long distance runner. It's difficult trying to run like I used to, because it can be a real strain on your back and knees. I also have two screws in my ankle, that put me through a year of physical therapy. I don't know why I left that out of my original post. I guess I was nervous when I was writing earlier. It's not easyto open up, especially in an unrelated forum such as slashdot.
Thanks for the rather insincere advice and encouragement. I didn't do what I did for a job... I did it to relieve severe pain. I didn't have doctors that cared about my well being. Ignorance isn't an excuse, but I never knew what this could lead to. No one ever expects to end up as a junkie.
Stress didn't lead me to drugs, pain did. Saying that it's the "American Way" is a lame way to tell someone you don't approve of their actions. I shared my story to hopefully help someone else who is having trouble dealing with chronic pain, or possibly addiction. Obviously it's easier for you to write me off as a junkie, and say that I took drugs for money?!?!? I discussed my career, to illustrate what I LOST from drugs, not what i stood to gain. I never used drugs to further my career... that is the most unintelligent thing I've read in years. I don't know how you took that from my post.
Please, before you assume something as harsh as that again, take into consideration how it might make someone feel. You don't know me, and you obviously don't care about the subject we're all discussing. Please take your arrogance and ignorance somewhere else. It's really sad that people can't have a serious discussion here, without being trashed by someone who read way too much into someone's personal experience.
RE-read the post, and think about what you said. You might just change your mind.
Peace...Jaxn.
I agree totally, but there are instances where the damage is already done, and no amount of strength training will fix the problem at hand. Building up strength in yourlower back and abdomen are two of the most important things you can do for preventative maintenance for you back. Gaining muscle and flexibilty in your lower back and abdomen can and will make your life easier if you suffer from mild to moderate bacak pain. But if you suffer from a bulged or slipped disc, or even a pinched nerve, make suree you see a real doctor before taking everyones advice to just "get healthy", because a serious injury like that does not "fix itself" through exercise. In fact, you can make the problem much worse, if you're not very careful.
I guess what I'm getting at, is don't take back pain lightly. It is a serious issue, that deserves serious consideration. Pain killers are NOT an answer. They only treat the symptoms and disguise the real problem. See a doctor! See more than one doctor. Make sure you get more than one diagnosis. Quite often, doctors are not qualified to diagnose and treat serious back problems. Misdiagnosis and mistreatment are can be major problems, that can very easily lead to a lifetime of pain and addiction to pain killers.
If you don't have serious back problems, then by all means, take care of it now. Exercise regularly, and use common sense. Use good posture and place your keyboard/mouse in an ergonomically correct position. It could mean the difference between a healthy, happy life, and one plagued with chronic back pain, and even worse, opiate addiction.
Take care...Jaxn.
What are you talking about? Have you ever had a bulged disc, or a pinched nerve? How about surgery? It is easier to say these things when you aren't experiencing real pain, for an extended period of time.
I never expected to see a "Howard Stern Rules" type of comment in this thread. Use your brain, and try to think things out for yourself, instead of believing the only thing you've ever read about the subject. Howard Stern is by no means an authorative figure onthis subject. BTW... what did you mean by "try TM"??
Oh God!!! I copied my post off the page, and I completely forgot to add the html tags back in... this looks terrible. I just wanted people to be able to read a real post on this subject... beacuse it really hits home with me, and some of my other friends in the tech industry.
I was kind of expecting to get flamed for posting it twice, and for the subject as well... but now I can expect it for the tagless quality too.
Sometimes, you just can't win....Hopefully someone still reads this, and thinks about it.
I am posting this under a new account, as my old account has been ravished by people at work that were logging in as me and not knowing it. Please disregard the original post. I have had serious backpain for more than six yeares. I am only in my mid twenties, and I have been in and out of the hospital for this. I started taking pain killers about six years ago for a pinched nerve/bulged disc after injuring my lower back lifting an HP 4mv (big laser printer). I was only 18, and they didn't want to consider surgery at the time. The doctor said that the pain killers would help with the immediate pain, and physical therapy would help after that. At first they relieved the pain without a problem. I went to therapy and after a few months things seemed to get much better. I continued my job as a system administrator for a small newspaper. I spent at least 10 hours a day 5 to 7 days a week sitting in a chair hunched over a keyboard. My back seemed ok, but six months later, I was disconnecting a patch cable from a computer that needed to be taken into my office, and what do you know... I threw my back out again.! I went back to the doctor, and immediately, they gave me another prescription of pain killers. I took these until my back was well enough to go to physical therapy again. This time my doctor warned me that if I didn't really start to get active and take better care of my back, that it could get worse on it's own. I finished out my physical therapy and wen back to work. While I was at work, sitting in my chair, to all hours of the night, my back started hurting me. It would hurt no matter what I was doing. I didn't need to be lifting something to have it bother me. I went to my doctor and he gave me something else for pain. It was a less powerful pain killer. It didn't seem to cut the pain like the previous presccriptions did. I ended up taking more of them to acheive the same level of pain relief. It was really hard to go to work and sit in a chair for nearly 60 hours a week, because my lower back was always hurting. My doctor ended up cutting me off the pills, so that I wouldn't develop an addiction problem. Unfortunately it was probably too late. That night I was in a lot of pain, and I ended up calling my family doctor (at almost midnight) at his home, to get him to call me in some pain killers. He did so, but told me never to ask him again, without having an appointment. After all, he wasn't treating me for my back problems, my nuerologist was. I went through those pretty fast, and ended up going back to him for more. He turned me down, and ended up sending me back to a physical therapist. The therapist told me that I needed to take better care of my back, and put me through vigorous therapy, until I built up my muscles in my back enough to go without pain everyday. Move ahead two years in the story, and throw in a a few more stints with back injuries (some work related, some not) and there I was, back on pain killers. it was a fulltime job to get doctors to keep prescribing them to me. One of my close friends had a similar problem, and he was on them all the time too. We joined efforts, and contributed to each others addiction. Years went by, and before long, we were really, hardcore opiate addicts. I still had the back pain, because I never changed my lifestyle enough to make a difference. I spent 60+ hours a week at work, developing my career at a fortune 500 corporation. I was 23, and I had it all. I was making 50k/year, living in my home town, working as the Data/Voice Network Engineer for said company. I had a reputation for going way beyond what was expected of me when it came to work. I had secured myself into the Executive I.S. Development Program in the corporation. That meant I was in training (at a corporate level) for a position as a Information Systems Director at one of the 200 hundred daily newspapers that my fortune 500 corporation owned. I was on top of the world... at least I thought. I also had a bad pain killer addiction, that up until now, had not proved to be a real problem in my life. I was able to juggle the doctors, and keep the pills coming in, because I was making real good money, and the cost of living is really low in my city in southern Florida. Things were about to get much worse, and I was in no way prepared to deal with what was to come. My friend, who also took painkiller, found a source for "opium"... but it was in pouder form. He brought it over, and we played around with it, snorting it. Before I knew it, I liked it a lot. I ended up buying it frequently, to fill in for pain killers when I was low. Little did I know, this was heroin. I ended up getting hooked on it in a relatively short period of time. It was so much like pain killers, but it was better. I couldn't quit. It started interfering with my job, and getting in betweenme and my friends. When I found out what it really was, I was already doing a lot of it, and didn't think anything of it. I was stupid, and blinded. I knew that I needed something for my pain, because my back was serious problem, but heroin was NOT the answer. Six months went by, and I tried to get help. I talked to my alreday suspicious family and boss. I took a sabatical from work, and tried to get treatment. I moved out of my house, and in with my family, who helped me through some really rough times. I ended up going back to work, but things were not the same. I had really ruined what I spent almost four years building. All the trust, and all the smiles had gone away. Work became a hard thing to deal with. I was still dealing with pain, because I was no longer taking pain killers, or H. I ended up getting an email from some head hunter, looking for a network engineer to be a consultant for a regional hospital chain. I took the offer right away. I wanted a clean start, and they were offering much more money than I was making at the current company. After a few months of working at the new job, clean and sober, until I met a girl who was going through the same thing I was. She had just quit H, and needed help getting clean. I figured who better to help than someone who has been there. We started dating, and before long we were both back on H. Within a month, I had lost my job, my new apartment, and I was living with her. I continued to use, but found a new job. A few months went by, and we both wanted to get clean. We tried going cold turkey, but it didn't work. After months of attempting to get clean, and many times, almost lodingmy new job, I ended up in a methadone clinic. After a couple weeks, I wasn't using at all. It helped me get clean, and it also helped a lot with pain in my back. Things were getting much better at work, because I was more there, mentally, and I wasn't missing work all the time. I am still with that employer. It was only two months ago that I got on methadone. I am the network admin for a local ISP. I don't make nearly what I used to. I have really damamaged my friendship with my family and friends. I'm in debt, and I still have back pain. It's no where near the same level if pain that I used to have, but at least I'm not taking pills everyday. I don't want to be on methadone for much longer, but I'm scared. I am your average, everyday Joe. None of my friends ever would have guessed what I was going through. I hid it from everyone because I was salways in fear of losing my job, or worse, someone finding out what I was really going through. If anyone out there is having a "problem" with pills, after having back problems, please, don't let it get out of control. I regret what I went through everyday of my life. No one should have to go through this. Ever. Let the flames begin....