"Artists and craftspeople are motivated by all kinds of things -- notoriety, artistic expression, raw unbundled creativity"
Tell it to Metallica and many other artists who vigorously opposed Napster or do are you talking about these artist who haven't made it big and are hoping to one day become like Metallica?
GTK is also has all of the cross platform capabilities that QT has (FB, BeOS, OSX, Windows, etc).
First quote from GTK on Win32 FAQ:
"I do this work in my free time, so don't ask me for release timetables etc"
Another quote this time from GTK on BeOS FAQ:
"Stuff is working, although still at an alpha stage. Crashes are common. Menus work now, drawing is mostly correct, images work, pixmaps work, etc. Lots of stuff todo, see below. "
This is NOT something I want to see when considering cross platform toolkit for a serious project.
QT works 100% correctly on each of the platforms it supports. There is no "a guy" who does this in his free time and might drop everything tomorrow. Please, if you accuse people of spreading FUD check your facts beforehand!!!
Do you really believe people will continue to spend a lot of time and money if there is NO protection for whatever they create?
I mean, it does take lot of time and skills to put out music CD or piece of software and copyright is the only guarantee for a decent return.
Sorry but begging model ( you can ask for money but cannot enforce payment) as proposed by FSF will not work in the real world.
Russians hardly enforce anything. We talking here about a country that is famous for its lack of law enforcement and heavy corruption.
BTW. There was a harm done to US citizens and FBI obligation is to pursue this, they are paid to do so.
It is not the same thing. I believe stealing and breaking into someone's property is still illegal even in Russia.
The difference is that Russians chose not to act simply because, well the rule of law there is close to non-existent.
It matters not. Stealing is stealing, whether you are doing this to rich or poor.
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So instead of enforcing murder you want this body to enforce tax levels in member countries.
In another words, tax cut currently enacted by Bush administration would have to be reviewed and approved by international body. Knowing how ridiculously high are tax levels in Europe I highly doubt this would be approved.
As long as this museum is financed by government money there is no difference.
There is nothing in constitution that allows us to make this sort of distinctions. It is simply states that government should not sponsor either establishment or prohibition of religious activities.
""saving" the rest of us from "oh-so-horrible" sex and voyeurism. "
Oh come on...
You fail to realize that religion servers the same purpose that state and federal laws do.
Frankly I don't see a problem here since, as history shows in many cases (Rome and pre-revolutionary France for one) excessive sex freedom usually comes as a one of the first sings of degenerative disease rotting society and it is hardly a good thing.
On more general note, your obvious contempt for any form of religion is quite misplaced, as what we are talking here is simply just another motivational force giving some people reason to live.
I know one guy who survived 6 years of Siberian Gulag precisely thanks to his deep religious beliefs.
He was sentenced to die; there seem to be no hope for him yet he made it. Do you see anything wrong with having this kind of powerful motivation available for the people? I seriously doubt your cool rationalism would help you much in situations like the one I described above.
I don't understand the problem here.
Europeans are used to paying higher prices for just about everything.
I guess another one of these perks that come with socialism.
Interesting. I read a story about bunch of library employees suing local officials for NOT allowing them to install blocking software.
Their grounds for a suit? Sexual harassment at work - they complain about being forced to deal with computers with porn sites loaded by visitors and left with some explicit images displayed on the screen.
It is interesting how ACLU will handle this thing since they are very much in favor of enforcing work sexual harassment's laws.
So where is that hiden price of your typical GNU package ?
It MUST be somewhere since there are no free lunches and no one managed to create something out of noting.
Indians were certainly NOT primitive people.
On the other hand, after all is said and done, we are sitting here with western culture and civilization being dominant. IN the struggle during the past couple thousand years we emerged as the most sophisticated and frankly, the strongest culture in the world.
Most likely it will change in the next millenium or two but for now this is the case.
"take other people's ideas,"
If other people fail to implement their ideas why not. Anyway, wherever Microsoft was at fault, courts usually ruled in favor of these "others".
"package and sell them well,"
What's wrong with that ?
"buy the support of governments,"
Sad commentary on the fact that to be successful one have to buy support of governments. Surely sing we need to cut down on the size of these monsters.
"viciously fight your competitors with lies, half-truths and innuendo,"
Well, quite common in the any industry. In the end it is the product that counts.
" sew up the distribution channels, winner takes all, and fuck the losers."
Well, losers can always appeal to the government...
"This kind of "trickle down" economics is a lie perpetrated by the wealthy to justify them getting more wealthy while the poor get poorer. "
Hold on here. If you look at economical stats you can find something very peculiar. It seems countries with biggest economy (corporations and industry) have on average the highest standard of living for all its citizens.
Interesting...
"then by all means, keep it where it came from..."
It is up to you. The only reason it is still sold over there because there are millions of people who buy it. Simple as that. You want it therefore it is being sold.
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For many people they are, who are you to decide they are all wrong ?
"Artists and craftspeople are motivated by all kinds of things -- notoriety, artistic expression, raw unbundled creativity"
Tell it to Metallica and many other artists who vigorously opposed Napster or do are you talking about these artist who haven't made it big and are hoping to one day become like Metallica?
I don't give a f** about license as long as product is working well.
First quote from GTK on Win32 FAQ:
"I do this work in my free time, so don't ask me for release timetables etc"
Another quote this time from GTK on BeOS FAQ:
"Stuff is working, although still at an alpha stage. Crashes are common. Menus work now, drawing is mostly correct, images work, pixmaps work, etc. Lots of stuff todo, see below. "
This is NOT something I want to see when considering cross platform toolkit for a serious project.
QT works 100% correctly on each of the platforms it supports. There is no "a guy" who does this in his free time and might drop everything tomorrow.
Please, if you accuse people of spreading FUD check your facts beforehand!!!
Do you really believe people will continue to spend a lot of time and money if there is NO protection for whatever they create?
I mean, it does take lot of time and skills to put out music CD or piece of software and copyright is the only guarantee for a decent return.
Sorry but begging model ( you can ask for money but cannot enforce payment) as proposed by FSF will not work in the real world.
Russians hardly enforce anything. We talking here about a country that is famous for its lack of law enforcement and heavy corruption.
BTW. There was a harm done to US citizens and FBI obligation is to pursue this, they are paid to do so.
It is not the same thing. I believe stealing and breaking into someone's property is still illegal even in Russia.
The difference is that Russians chose not to act simply because, well the rule of law there is close to non-existent.
It matters not. Stealing is stealing, whether you are doing this to rich or poor.
So instead of enforcing murder you want this body to enforce tax levels in member countries.
In another words, tax cut currently enacted by Bush administration would have to be reviewed and approved by international body. Knowing how ridiculously high are tax levels in Europe I highly doubt this would be approved.
I think we will do just fine without it.
"between a museum"
As long as this museum is financed by government money there is no difference.
There is nothing in constitution that allows us to make this sort of distinctions. It is simply states that government should not sponsor either establishment or prohibition of religious activities.
Here is the case I was refering to ...
Here ...
""saving" the rest of us from "oh-so-horrible" sex and voyeurism. " ...
Oh come on
You fail to realize that religion servers the same purpose that state and federal laws do.
Frankly I don't see a problem here since, as history shows in many cases (Rome and pre-revolutionary France for one) excessive sex freedom usually comes as a one of the first sings of degenerative disease rotting society and it is hardly a good thing.
On more general note, your obvious contempt for any form of religion is quite misplaced, as what we are talking here is simply just another motivational force giving some people reason to live.
I know one guy who survived 6 years of Siberian Gulag precisely thanks to his deep religious beliefs.
He was sentenced to die; there seem to be no hope for him yet he made it. Do you see anything wrong with having this kind of powerful motivation available for the people? I seriously doubt your cool rationalism would help you much in situations like the one I described above.
I don't understand the problem here.
Europeans are used to paying higher prices for just about everything.
I guess another one of these perks that come with socialism.
Well, get this ... everything is more expensive in Europe. Starting with food, electronics and ending with cars.
That is the fact.
Sure , I mean what kind of revolution is that without at least some heads rolling ...
Interesting. I read a story about bunch of library employees suing local officials for NOT allowing them to install blocking software.
Their grounds for a suit? Sexual harassment at work - they complain about being forced to deal with computers with porn sites loaded by visitors and left with some explicit images displayed on the screen.
It is interesting how ACLU will handle this thing since they are very much in favor of enforcing work sexual harassment's laws.
"that judgemental prick"
So he has something he believes in? How fucking inconsiderate and old-fashioned!
"This is what they use my tax money for? To promote a religion to which I do not belong?"
So where was ACLU when your (and mine) tax money was used to condone and disrespect religion as it was a case in NY some time ago?
So where is that hiden price of your typical GNU package ?
It MUST be somewhere since there are no free lunches and no one managed to create something out of noting.
"Windows 95 sold millions even though it was the worst OS at that time."
...
Nope, Win 3.xx was much worse
On the more serious note, Apple OS was and still is piece of crap.
Indians were certainly NOT primitive people.
On the other hand, after all is said and done, we are sitting here with western culture and civilization being dominant. IN the struggle during the past couple thousand years we emerged as the most sophisticated and frankly, the strongest culture in the world.
Most likely it will change in the next millenium or two but for now this is the case.
"take other people's ideas,"
If other people fail to implement their ideas why not. Anyway, wherever Microsoft was at fault, courts usually ruled in favor of these "others".
"package and sell them well,"
What's wrong with that ?
"buy the support of governments,"
Sad commentary on the fact that to be successful one have to buy support of governments. Surely sing we need to cut down on the size of these monsters.
"viciously fight your competitors with lies, half-truths and innuendo,"
Well, quite common in the any industry. In the end it is the product that counts.
" sew up the distribution channels, winner takes all, and fuck the losers."
Well, losers can always appeal to the government...
"This kind of "trickle down" economics is a lie perpetrated by the wealthy to justify them getting more wealthy while the poor get poorer. "
Hold on here. If you look at economical stats you can find something very peculiar. It seems countries with biggest economy (corporations and industry) have on average the highest standard of living for all its citizens.
Interesting...
"then by all means, keep it where it came from..."
It is up to you. The only reason it is still sold over there because there are millions of people who buy it. Simple as that. You want it therefore it is being sold.