It's nothing like that. I was raised to be insular, and do not let others' opinions and other mental predications (this also includes news media, marketing, and other forms of mob-mentality conditioning) dictate my course of life. For myself, the opinions of me and mine are all that matter, and I learned from a very young age to live my life for me and mine, yet be a good person to others around me as long as I have a reason to be. Now, I am human, so I do not deny my social instinct. I just choose not to become involved in anything deeper than a superficial level with the other humans I share my existence with. Simple and effective... for me.
Not being in touch with what your friends are saying makes you more likely to be manipulated by mainstream media for lack of having as sizeable/technically-augmented of an alternative.
Now we don't have to worry about Galaxy 15 returning to Earth to message the Creator, and getting pissed and destroying the planet when the Creator doesn't respond, a la V-ger...
Where I work (a new bar & grill that opened a month ago) received an ASCAP letter during the remodeling of the building, reminding us that we have fees to pay if we are to broadcast music. The letter was VERY vague with regards to the SOURCE of the music. We had a local amusements operator install a fully-licensed (by them) jukebox, and we also had Sirius installed as well. We now await the followup letter from ASCAP so that we can conveniently tell them to go fuck themselves.
This is probably offtopic, but I've never noticed or heard of red-light cameras here in Grand Rapids MI. I have, however, noticed that speed limits in some areas have gone up dramatically. And being the cynical chap that I am, I'm convinced that they're trying to make up, in gas tax revenue, the lost cigarette tax revenue when the new nanny-state smoking ban goes into effect next month.
I concur with your point-of-view. We could go even deeper into the psychology of products-as-reflective-traits all day, but you summed it up nicely with your brand loyalty comment...
I guess that as humans, we all need to learn not to be bothered by such inane concepts as annoying personality traits based on product use. I mean, people don't give me money because of what I think of them and visa versa (oops... my libertarianism fell out... excuse me), so why bother? All part of being in the herd, I guess...
It's the same douchebag marketing that Apple has used for years now, and it works. My hat is off to them. What is sad is that those who identify themselves by the products that they purchase/use must have some deep-seated self-esteem issues. Buying "stuff" to impress people that you don't like is definitely a symptom of this.
This, coming from a Mac user who just happens to like the platform, and has to hear "Macs suck!" comments occasionally when I take my Macbook out to do some work...
"Most folks that use Apple products are fine, but holy jeebus do Apple zealots piss me off. We get it, your brand of choice is shiny and pretty. Shut up about it.
Again, I know this only applies to a small portion of the Apple userbase, but that small portion is unbelievably annoying."
I'm in agreement with you, with regards to zealotry. Use what you use and shut the hell up about it.
But it does go both ways. I bring out my Macbook anywhere, and it's "Ugh. Apple. Macs suck!" Granted, it doesn't happen all the time, but it's annoying nevertheless. I've always ignored such comments, but it does show that zealotry can go both ways...
I don't rely on marketing or "a lot of people" to make my purchasing decisions for me. I can actually (shock! horror!) try things out for myself and make my own decisions. And Macs always come out on top...
Ah yes... the old mob mentality at work. I know *I* always rely on others to make my decisions regarding my vehicle, home, clothing, and computing platform purchases. After all, being "cool", buying into marketing hype, and having the "respect" of those around me brings me lots of money.
Oh wait...
Until I can make a killing off what others think of me and the ownership of material possessions, I'll never understand what the point is...
Just a note here: cooperative multitaking may cause a system to become unresponsive, but it won't cause a system to crash. In both the case of cooperative multitasking and the lack of memory protection, the stability issues were caused by applications rather than the operating system (in virtually every case). As such, it was quite possible to choose applications that did not affect the responsiveness or stability of the system as a whole. Granted, that was virtually impossible to do for web browsers in the case of the classic Mac OS.
It was usually 68k apps running on PPC machines that would cause the more catastrophic crashes, as they were more likely to corrupt the system heap. The classic OS's main stability issues were with extensions, which were mostly fixable with Cassidy-Greene's Conflict Catcher. Reordering the extension loading usually fixes any issues.
I've found that with any PPC-native program, if it becomes unstable and causes the machine to stop responding, force-quitting would usually bring it back from the dead without causing the entire machine to go down. I still tend to reboot after such an event, to clean up memory. But the crashes are few and far- between with PPC- native apps.
8.6 compatibility is very good... so far. I'm testing the browser on my Cube, a Bondi iMac (running 8.6) and a Performa 6400 (ditto). It's definitely faster than Mozilla, Netscape, and WamCom, and fairly stable. Only certain sites make it crash, such as Alltop (if you hover over a link), and it has some rendering and scrolling bugs (such as on Blogspot). But on the whole, it's much more stable than the older browsers. And Slashdot no longer crashes either:)
I jumped on as a tester fairly early in the project; discussion started on the OS 9 list sponsored by Low End Mac about a modernized browser for the classic OS; as I still use my OS 9- running Cube daily, and got tired of WamCom crashing on me.
"Sure, it may be a good product but how many people would be willing to buy the equivalent product that has little or no image / cool factor attached to it?"
If people are suckers enough to buy into the marketing of a product ("it's a reflection of my lifestyle"), that's THEIR problem.
Not everyone buys a product based on their commercials. Some of us are actually long-time users of something. But never underestimate the stupidity of the general public when it comes to marketing, and the inherent laziness when it comes to investigating a product before purchasing.
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It's nothing like that. I was raised to be insular, and do not let others' opinions and other mental predications (this also includes news media, marketing, and other forms of mob-mentality conditioning) dictate my course of life. For myself, the opinions of me and mine are all that matter, and I learned from a very young age to live my life for me and mine, yet be a good person to others around me as long as I have a reason to be. Now, I am human, so I do not deny my social instinct. I just choose not to become involved in anything deeper than a superficial level with the other humans I share my existence with. Simple and effective... for me.
Not being in touch with what your friends are saying makes you more likely to be manipulated by mainstream media for lack of having as sizeable/technically-augmented of an alternative.
... that is, unless you ignore both...
Grandville MI? I live eight miles from there, and used to work a mile or so from there. Interesting...
Now we don't have to worry about Galaxy 15 returning to Earth to message the Creator, and getting pissed and destroying the planet when the Creator doesn't respond, a la V-ger...
My bad. You can add pioneer Al Alcorn to that list as well. Where the fuck is he?
No Ed Logg. No Ed Rotberg. No Tim Skelly. No Toru Iwatani. No Eugene Jarvis. No FUCKING EUGENE JARVIS?!?!
Instead they honor such douche nozzles as Billy "Kenny Loggins is my long lost dad" Mitchell. Great.
Hall of fames are a joke, just like the lame, political, glad-handing "Rock N Roll" Hall of Fame...
Where I work (a new bar & grill that opened a month ago) received an ASCAP letter during the remodeling of the building, reminding us that we have fees to pay if we are to broadcast music. The letter was VERY vague with regards to the SOURCE of the music. We had a local amusements operator install a fully-licensed (by them) jukebox, and we also had Sirius installed as well. We now await the followup letter from ASCAP so that we can conveniently tell them to go fuck themselves.
This is probably offtopic, but I've never noticed or heard of red-light cameras here in Grand Rapids MI. I have, however, noticed that speed limits in some areas have gone up dramatically. And being the cynical chap that I am, I'm convinced that they're trying to make up, in gas tax revenue, the lost cigarette tax revenue when the new nanny-state smoking ban goes into effect next month.
I concur with your point-of-view. We could go even deeper into the psychology of products-as-reflective-traits all day, but you summed it up nicely with your brand loyalty comment...
I guess that as humans, we all need to learn not to be bothered by such inane concepts as annoying personality traits based on product use. I mean, people don't give me money because of what I think of them and visa versa (oops... my libertarianism fell out... excuse me), so why bother? All part of being in the herd, I guess...
It's the same douchebag marketing that Apple has used for years now, and it works. My hat is off to them. What is sad is that those who identify themselves by the products that they purchase/use must have some deep-seated self-esteem issues. Buying "stuff" to impress people that you don't like is definitely a symptom of this.
This, coming from a Mac user who just happens to like the platform, and has to hear "Macs suck!" comments occasionally when I take my Macbook out to do some work...
"Most folks that use Apple products are fine, but holy jeebus do Apple zealots piss me off. We get it, your brand of choice is shiny and pretty. Shut up about it.
Again, I know this only applies to a small portion of the Apple userbase, but that small portion is unbelievably annoying."
I'm in agreement with you, with regards to zealotry. Use what you use and shut the hell up about it.
But it does go both ways. I bring out my Macbook anywhere, and it's "Ugh. Apple. Macs suck!" Granted, it doesn't happen all the time, but it's annoying nevertheless. I've always ignored such comments, but it does show that zealotry can go both ways...
It's simple low self-esteem, based on primal consumerism. There's therapy available for such issues...
Or Dr. David Grinspoon, the astrobiology equivalent of Jerry Garcia...
And by then, the Robotrons will have destroyed the human race anyway...
I don't rely on marketing or "a lot of people" to make my purchasing decisions for me. I can actually (shock! horror!) try things out for myself and make my own decisions. And Macs always come out on top...
It's more of a self-esteem issue from Windows users based on a bunch of commercials. Pretty sad.
News flash: It's a fucking computing platform. Maybe counseling is in order for those who let marketing decide for them...
He probably isn't, but this guy is...
Ah yes... the old mob mentality at work. I know *I* always rely on others to make my decisions regarding my vehicle, home, clothing, and computing platform purchases. After all, being "cool", buying into marketing hype, and having the "respect" of those around me brings me lots of money.
Oh wait...
Until I can make a killing off what others think of me and the ownership of material possessions, I'll never understand what the point is...
Douchebags confuse cockiness with expertise
:)
There. Fixed that for you
I am a PC. :)
You are a sucker for marketing...
My computer runs just fine... with OS X on it...
Just a note here: cooperative multitaking may cause a system to become unresponsive, but it won't cause a system to crash. In both the case of cooperative multitasking and the lack of memory protection, the stability issues were caused by applications rather than the operating system (in virtually every case). As such, it was quite possible to choose applications that did not affect the responsiveness or stability of the system as a whole. Granted, that was virtually impossible to do for web browsers in the case of the classic Mac OS.
It was usually 68k apps running on PPC machines that would cause the more catastrophic crashes, as they were more likely to corrupt the system heap. The classic OS's main stability issues were with extensions, which were mostly fixable with Cassidy-Greene's Conflict Catcher. Reordering the extension loading usually fixes any issues.
I've found that with any PPC-native program, if it becomes unstable and causes the machine to stop responding, force-quitting would usually bring it back from the dead without causing the entire machine to go down. I still tend to reboot after such an event, to clean up memory. But the crashes are few and far- between with PPC- native apps.
8.6 compatibility is very good... so far. I'm testing the browser on my Cube, a Bondi iMac (running 8.6) and a Performa 6400 (ditto). It's definitely faster than Mozilla, Netscape, and WamCom, and fairly stable. Only certain sites make it crash, such as Alltop (if you hover over a link), and it has some rendering and scrolling bugs (such as on Blogspot). But on the whole, it's much more stable than the older browsers. And Slashdot no longer crashes either :)
I jumped on as a tester fairly early in the project; discussion started on the OS 9 list sponsored by Low End Mac about a modernized browser for the classic OS; as I still use my OS 9- running Cube daily, and got tired of WamCom crashing on me.
"Sure, it may be a good product but how many people would be willing to buy the equivalent product that has little or no image / cool factor attached to it?"
If people are suckers enough to buy into the marketing of a product ("it's a reflection of my lifestyle"), that's THEIR problem.
Not everyone buys a product based on their commercials. Some of us are actually long-time users of something. But never underestimate the stupidity of the general public when it comes to marketing, and the inherent laziness when it comes to investigating a product before purchasing.
(*ahem* Mountain removal, and the blind eye the US media turns to it...)
:)
Jim Hightower would be proud