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  1. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Well, yeah, the consequences of our diet is a wide-ranging thing. It effects our personal health, our economy, our immediate ecology around us, the global energy use, the invasion of pest plants and animals from long-distance shipments, the use of chemicals on our food, political policies and political power games from local to international, our own household budgets, our ethics about not just animals but also what other humans went through to bring us the food, genetic modification of plants and animals, rewarding sensationalist diet food peddlers, enriching people selling what basically qualifies as beef jerky on a bun because of all the salt, and more.

    A little meat now and then isn't bad for humans. Most of our meat doesn't have legs broken in jaw traps (illegal in at least most of the US) or caught in pitfalls these days. Hunters, even when using bows and arrows, tend to track and finish off animals quickly and fairly humanely. Despite some bad apples, most farms and ranches raise their animals humanely and have them slaughtered with as little pain as possible. Sport fishing usually causes very little pain to the fish. I've never been on a commercial fishing vessel, but they don't seem to cause any more pain than necessary. A gig is probably not painful for very long to a frog. I don't eat lobster that's been boiled alive.

    I think you and I probably have more in common to say about the topic than we do differently. Meat shouldn't be eaten out its small proportion. The methods used to procure meat should be as humane as possible. People should consider whether the methods used to procure the meat for them are personally acceptable.

  2. Re:This should make vampires happy! on Scientists Turn Skin Into Blood · · Score: 1

    Current laws in some states certainly do differentiate between the former and latter.

    Georgia for one considers consensual sex for two people underage to be at most a misdemeanor with no need for registration as a sex offender. The ages for sexual consent range from 16 to 18 without parental consent and from 14 to 18 with parental consent across different US states. You should check your jurisdiction more specifically than just checking that website, but the laws of your jurisdiction are probably on the web somewhere.

    In Florida, there's what is often called a "Romeo and Juliet" law. Sex with an underage person is still considered a crime, but there's wide berth for prosecutors and judges. If the "victim" is between 14 and 17 and the "perpetrator" is within four years of the "victim's" age, then a judge can bar the sex offender status even if the defendant is convicted.

    In Missouri, it is a lesser crime if the two are close in age, even if only one is a minor.

    Arkansas, Florida, and some other states have a close-in-age exception for whether or not it is even a crime to have sex with a minor at all.

    Lots of states in the US have outright exceptions or diminished crimes assigned to different age brackets. Anything not linked as a citation above and a whole lot more can be found at Wikipedia's "Ages of Consent in North America page, among other places.

  3. Re:"a tutorial on writing man pages was...missing! on The Linux Programming Interface · · Score: 1

    Well, I'm glad you enjoy programming in ABC and Python. That lets you maintain code I'd rather not. :-)

    Actually, many more languages have some significance to whitespace. In most languages, though, it's a matter of presence or absence around some non-whitespace syntax.

    ABC and Python with their level of indentation determining scope are really difficult to edit correctly if you're stuck without the proper editor some time, though.

  4. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    According to at least one observation the live weight of animals they actually hunt to eat is around 30-35 pounds a year. That is almost 3 pounds a month if stretched over the year, but during the actual primary hunting season, they eat about 65 grams (about two ounces) per day per chimp. They weigh about as much as a small human (90 - 115 pounds (35 - 70 kg) for males and 57 -110 pounds (26 - 50 kg) for females).

    Although that's actually less than many overweight Westerners, it's well within the proportions of meat intake vs. body weight that many dietitians and nutritionists recommend for humans.

    These chimps are hunter-gatherers rather than farmers and ranchers. They hunt more when the energy spent to hunt is better rewarded than the energy spent gathering. They also use meat politically and in courting. The hunting skills probably also come in handy when they go into combat with other chimp clans, which they also sometimes do.

    I think it's easy to say most Americans eat more meat than recommended. I don't really think you can say it's natural for us to give it up completely, though.

  5. Re:Internet2 was great for academia.. on Net Pioneers Say Open Internet Should Be Separate · · Score: 1

    Zoning out in a county area is nearly always more lax than in town. If you're in an area that is mixed farm and residential, getting enough electric to your house when a neighbor is using a lot shouldn't be a concern. They can send plenty of amps to farm areas, because lots of farmers do have high-draw equipment ranging from welders and plasma cutters to dairy pumps to electric well and irrigation pumps.

    The concern in the analogy was that a neighbor was actually causing neighborhood brownouts because the service in his house was drawing almost as much as was supplied to the whole neighborhood. That really shouldn't happen in town, but it's even less likely in an agriculturally zoned or mix-use zoned area.

    In town if that was actually happening, it'd likely be cheaper to move the commercial operation to a commercial area. Not all utilities will run massive new supply lines at their own cost into a residential area for one customer's anomalous use. They don't know how long that person's going to be in that location. If you need more than dual 200 amp services or a single 400 amp service in a residential neighborhood, assuming you can even get more, a utility might just make you foot your own build-out costs and not just the interior service.

    My cousin built a new house in the middle of 42 acres and paid around $10k to build out to get water and electric service. That wasn't for the box and breaker and the whole-house water shutoff.

  6. Re:Streisand effect? on Strong Contender Already For Adafruit's Kinect Challenge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those Sony subsidies went to product recognition and goodwill until they decided to first remove "Other OS" from newer models then remove it in the field from existing models that accepted the wrong Sony-published firmware update.

  7. Re:This should make vampires happy! on Scientists Turn Skin Into Blood · · Score: 1

    Um, I'm over 30 and I see no need to have sex with a 16-year-old. Thanks.

    Now, if it's two sixteen-year-old kids having sex together, I'd hardly call that rape.

    I would call allowing two hormonally crazed sixteen-year-old kids who have been denied sex education to be alone together child abuse, though.

  8. Re:My God... They've finally done it. on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    There's something really odd about "hail mary to the Gods". A "Hail Mary" is a prayer to a saint to intercede on your behalf (to pray with you, basically) to one particular omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God. Its use as a long-shot football passing play derives directly from the Catholic prayer.

    Also, they're not admitting anything or sacrificing chickens. This chicken fat is separated from chickens going to food markets. It is otherwise either wasted or turned into other products. They're using parts of chickens already born, raised, and killed for food to add to the biodiesel that comes from soy, jojoba, switchgrass, peanuts, and other sources. Biodiesel is fairly sustainable, and this form of biodisel they're talking about doesn't compete with the human food supply because it's a waste product of the human food supply.

    When you talk of completely bat-shit-crazy unsustainable biofuels, you're probably talking about corn ethanol from simple sugars or about charcoal for cooking stoves. We really need an efficient way to turn the cellulose of corn into ethanol rather than just the sugars for ethanol from corn to be viable. Inefficient charcoal stoves are a major reason for the deforestation of Haiti. Better stoves or a switch to natural gas (a fuel which is beyond the income of many residents) are really needed to help stop the deforestation problem. Some Haitians even sneak into national parks in the Dominican Republic to cut wood to make charcoal.

  9. Re:How about human fat? on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Mischief. Mayhem. Soap.

  10. Re:impact on the environment on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    It won't smell like fried chicken exactly, which is chicken either floured, breaded, or battered then fried in some other kind of fat (usually some grain oil of some sort). It will smell like rendered fat, which any number of pork rendering plants or margarine plants smell like now.

  11. Re:It is added to pet food on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    I had a sausage sandwich today, before reading what was in the sausage. The four main ingredients were "partially defatted pork fat tissue", beef tripe, water, and wheat flour. Actually, it didn't taste too bad other than I accidentally dumped too much ground rosemary on it before cooking. It sounds absolutely disgusting, though, and can't be very good for such a sedentary person as I am. I'm thinking the cat that sleeps on the porch might get a saucer of sausage tomorrow.

    BTW, dogs can also be allergic to oats. My mother-in-law's dog is. If the dog's been okay on a particular food, though, there's probably no reason to switch. The dog in this case just had a 55-specimen allergy test and had 17 items come back as somewhat irritating. Those included foods, household items (like cotton linters), and outdoor items. He can eat chicken and rice without any issues, and his vets have suggested chicken and rice based dog food from the start of his allergy symptoms because those two ingredients are not very likely to be a problem. I hope he's not allergic to being around the parrot, because I'm not sure I'm ready to the bird yet. I'm not supposed to get him until the will.

  12. Re:Neve ending cycle. on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Many trucking companies fuel their own trucks at the depot and only use truck stops between depots to refuel when out of reach of a company site. So you could sell biodiesel in bulk to the trucking companies for fueling at the yard, so long as their trucks will run on a high enough concentration of bio vs. petro diesel. I'm guessing future models will allow more and more bio-sourced diesel under the warranties as petrodiesel goes up in price.

  13. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guess you think modern tools are the first ones ever built and that we never could trap or hunt in packs. I've got news for you. Humans are more like wolves socially than like sheep. Knives and spears have existed for millions of years. Deadfalls, pit traps, and snares have existed for quite some time, too. Humans didn't wrestle the woolly mammoth one on one. Stampeding a herd over a cliff is a lot easier than strangling a steer. Fishing, snake catching, grabbing birds in the nest, throwing rocks at rabbits or squirrels, and sticking sharp sticks into knot holes and burrows have been used to get smaller animals as meals. We even tamed some of the wolves and taught them to help us hunt.

    Humans are resourceful. Just because you'd only eat nuts and berries doesn't mean someone who wants meat couldn't find a way to get it without following lions around like hyenas do.

    BTW, chimps eat monkeys, and they hunt them in organized groups sometimes using weapons. They also have been known to eat bush pigs, baboons, termites, and antelopes. Sometimes they eat other chimps. They use and even fashion tools to catch termites. They have even been known to rely on certain medicinal plants under the proper circumstances, which leads some researchers to believe they have some idea of which plant helps which malady. These and bonobos are our closest living animal cousins.

  14. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Okay, then, no non-procreational sex for you!

    See? When you ban it just because there's no use for it but fun, we get to ban all sorts of things. Log off and parcel your computer for shipment to me, too. I have a strong feeling you're not using it for survival, because you didn't get paid to make that post. Or did you?

  15. Re:Let us be honest on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Mushrooms are what grows on what's left after food eats vegetables.

  16. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Okay, I'm not vegan and I think a lot of the argument on the vegan side of this thread has been silly. Yet you've just said something really hilariously funny in defense of eating meat.

    "Millions and millions of people can live malnourished for decades before they end up dead."

    Well, um, yeah. Millions and millions can also eat meat for decades then still end up, you know, dead. Millions and millions of people could eat a perfectly nutritious scientifically produced human food of whatever origin for multiple decades before they still end up dead. People do, after all, die after some number of decades. That number is usually somewhere between 5 and 9 in well-established Western economies.

  17. Re:That makes a lot of faulty assumptions on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Right now grain goes to waste in the US because places that need it elsewhere can't afford to have it shipped. Might as well feed it to something.

    The main reasons for grain-fed beef is that it plumps up the cattle faster and makes their meat taste less gamey. Many cattle are actually grass fed most of their lives and grain fed to finish just a short while before slaughter. That results in healthier cattle which still have a less gamey taste.

  18. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Considering that we're closer to chimps than gorillas and that chimps hunt monkeys for meat, I'd say your example is a bit flawed.

  19. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Cows eat grass. People don't eat grass. Unless you're talking about completely grain-fed livestock from birth to slaughter, then your argument is pretty silly. Also, grass grows lots of places corn, wheat, milo, soy, and other grain crops don't grow well or are difficult to plant and harvest efficiently.

  20. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    As the family member of several diabetics and a borderline one myself, let me say something about meat and diabetes. A sensible portion of lean meat a couple of times a day isn't a problem and can actually help one feel fuller so they don't overeat carbs. Too much meat can be hard on the kidneys, though, and too much meat fat (too much of any fat actually) is bad for blood sugar and for heart disease. Heart disease is a common complication or comorbid disorder for people with diabetes. Lean meat in moderation is an excellent source of high-quality whole protein that doesn't screw with your hormones nearly as much as estrogen-rich soy. Tofu and edamame are fine, but again it's about moderation.

    My doctors and nutritionist, my dad's GP and diabetes specialist, my sister's GP and nutritionist, my father-in-law's nutritionist and gastric surgeon, and all the research I've done myself say the same thing. Some lean meat is good, but don't overdo it. The only people I've found who bash meat altogether seem to do so for some other agenda.

  21. Re:That's disgusting on Factory To Make Biodiesel From Chicken Fat · · Score: 1

    Let me know when you decide instead to saddle the chicken and ride it to work.

  22. Re:Recalling Windows? on Recalling Windows 1.0 At 25 Years · · Score: 1

    Yeah, they should have recalled Windows 1 25 years ago.

  23. Re:Another Language on Gosu Programming Language Released To Public · · Score: 1

    As long as you're not writing GW-Basic or COBOL in any language, I think you're not too far gone.

  24. Re:Internet2 was great for academia.. on Net Pioneers Say Open Internet Should Be Separate · · Score: 1

    Where I live, zoning determines how a lot and structure can be used. A property is industrial, light industrial, non-retail commercial, agricultural, retail, residential single family, residential multiple family, mixed-use retail and residential, mixed-used non-retail commercial and residential, etc.

    There are issues with whether or not you can post signs, how large signs can be, where they can be, how close to the edge of the property the signs or buildings can be, how many renters a rental residential property can house, and a whole lot more.

    A bunch of grow lights or the MRI machine or the big three-phase welder can pose more issues than using up electricity. The chances of your neighbors being okay with an MRI machine operating under lay hands in a residential neighborhood are pretty slim.

    A commercial property like the one mentioned earlier in the thread which sells a lot of plants will either have a lot of small vehicle traffic for retail or will have regular parcel service or freight traffic for wholesale. That's exactly one of the zoning concerns. It's also the only one you seem to care about, so I'm pointing it out to you as one example of things that coincidentally go along with commercial (retail or non-retail) zoning.

    Commercial-size plant growing operations will also require commercial-sized storage and use of things like fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, burlap, transplant containers, rooting agents, and water. The water will usually be like electricity, but during a drought with water rationing imposed a residential home likely won't be allowed a commercial nursery's allotment of water without some serious paperwork pushed through local government.

    Having a big electric arc welder for off-hand use isn't a big deal, but if you're operating a major metal shop in a residential neighborhood there are lots of things the neighbors and the zoning laws could be concerned about. Concerns of noise, fire, explosion (not all welders are electric), fumes, and proper shielding of arc flash could require light industrial permits and inspections.

  25. Re:Wow! Have they discovered Wikipedia? on Mob-Sourcing — the Prejudice of Crowds · · Score: 1

    Actually, the last guy who promised me prejudice-free anything to do with groups bought a bridge from me. And a couple of routers or switches IIRC, and at retail price when they were well-used and obsolete.