Yet free speech is controlled by obligation. Free speech is also by the context, or circumstance, under which it is uttered. It is the US Constitution that defines and is the external restraint upon free speech. By your arguements free speech is not "free", and THATS THE POINT. Please get it.
His point is that you don't understand "free as in beer" vs. "free as in speech". Your comments regarding the inability of a contract to be formed regarding illegal acts is tangential. He was suggesting that to maximize the freedom of a group of people there exists a ballance between personal freedoms and responsibility. This is inherent in free speech laws, where to yell "fire" in a crowded theater is NOT protected under free speech. Likewise, releasing code without restrictions maximizes a level of freedom. What you can't appear to percieve is that this is analogus to granting the right to shout "fire". The rights and freedoms of the individual as well as the rights and freedoms of a community (as well as a species) need to be ballanced,.i.e., maximized.
Some prefer to volunteer for the greater good of the community. They wouldn't be pleased with the perversion of their codebase. You are happy enough that the powers that be use your code. Fine. But don't expect respect.
There is informative content. There is art. Then there is advertising. Text is fine for the former, although math symbols and graphs can help. Visual art requires graphics, as auditory art requires speakers. Its the advertising that we hate. There is an *in your face* attitude that makes me long for the printer format option. *sigh*
I'd like to set a "demand printer only version FIRST" option! Its hard to read with things blinking and spining on the sidelines. Its worse than trying to read in a room full of 3 year olds.
For ya'll windows users out there: try the free opera if you have Norton's Internet Security. Set ad banner killer and it kills the opera banners as well as banners on web pages.:-)
I applaude XML. Generating dynamic content ala apache cocoon is visionary. But...go from XML to HTML at the server and target lynx users too. A simple compliant text only page should be simple enough to do to, yes?
And I even read books without illustrations now. I can remember when I would flip through a book to judge it by its pictures, but that was 33 years ago. I am not against designing areas of the web in appropriate fashion for 6 year olds, but I am concerned that a 6 year old mentality is the apex of the targeted market.
There are two ways to keep viewers attention. Dazzle them with brilliance or blind them with bullshit. You claim that only the latter will hold their attention for more than 30 seconds. I guess if all you know is "hammer" then every viewer looks like a nail.
Interesting thing, I can zoom the fonts in KDE with a standard two button mouse. Same effect but one of us had to spend $80. Somebody's got to help Gates stay the richest man in the world, though...
The browser might be a way to start this. Open composer and you can simulate a word processor, insert tables (if only they had spreadsheet functionality), type a url and its automaticly live...and you can immediately execute the url! The urls link you to your documents as well as the WWW. Perhaps a cross between lynx with vi keybindings and netscape composer...and then learn java *sigh*.
Yes he has. Why can't I import VI key movement keys into Netscape and KEdit and everything? Key movement is fairly global. All global operations should be settable to standards. I shouldn't have to learn a new interface to different applications. Such shouldn't be hard-coded into ea. app. His plan actually demotes applications and extends the OS. He just wants to see it done in such a way that users don't have to notice the OS while they use their system.
How about you start typing. If you want it to be a spreadsheet you select the text and Alt-Ctrl-S-S and whats selected becomes a cell of a table. Type some more. If you want it to go into the cell it can be. If not, its a word processor. Type commands, and select them and type Alt-Ctrl-R-C. Out put shows up underneath. Is it a word processor? Yes. Is it a command line? Yes. Is it a spreadsheet? Yes. Is it a database? Yes. Is it a web browser? Yes. Yet its *one single windows* with a common set of keystroke commands. The applications get "hidden", just as the OS gets "hidden", and I as a user deal with DATA formated however the hell I want it formatated. His idea is to have libraries that perform operations/transformations on our data. No standalone applications at all. Every application shares and plays with everything else. If I can see it I should be able to select it. If I can select it I can copy it. Why can't I select the "search" button from the browser and drag it to a document? Because we haven't designed applications to be modular enough to embed such functionality seamlessly.
When I toured the Philips Petroleum Research Facility in OK I was especially interested in their computational chemistry dept. since thats as close to physics as they get. I was not surprised to see they used SGI, but saw they also used Apple. They were doing 3D Quantum Mechanical Chemical Modeling. The modeling was done with Sandia Labs MPQC (GPLed), and they displayed on either SGI or Apple.
Agreed: we should have the right to decrypt anything that is broadcast. There might be issues more complex with what we then do/i? with what we've decrypted, but the act of breaking their encryption should not be a crime.
The feedback is no longer natural it is controlled. Multinational corporations destroy the balance of power that Adam Smith assumed. There is no free market in the USA due to said imbalance, and shouldn't be referred to as capitalism but rather as corporatism.
The shift is related to funding. It began with Computer Science dropping the "science" methodolgy and becoming a business model. It relates to federal funding for science focusing entirely on "applied" science. Universities want patents now because they can't get money unless they restrict access to their work. The free flow of information will become "charge all the market will bare". Its not Science, its Business.
Typesetters and publishers? But academics use TeX or LaTeX almost exclusively for publishing. Seems like the cost is just a supply/demand issue. In terms of supply there aren't that many people who *can* produce the Tetrahedron Letters even if they made that a life goal. In terms of demand, I doubt that just "any respectible college" will pay that much. Maybe the top 5%? I doubt its the top 1/3.
Slashdot Mirror
*chuckle*
*grin*
Arguably the current state of the art word processor gpl-ed? That would hit hard. :=)
Yet free speech is controlled by obligation. Free speech is also by the context, or circumstance, under which it is uttered. It is the US Constitution that defines and is the external restraint upon free speech. By your arguements free speech is not "free", and THATS THE POINT. Please get it.
Replace "bullshit" with "correct", and "ripped off" with "paid for" and you are almost there! :-)
His point is that you don't understand "free as in beer" vs. "free as in speech". Your comments regarding the inability of a contract to be formed regarding illegal acts is tangential. He was suggesting that to maximize the freedom of a group of people there exists a ballance between personal freedoms and responsibility. This is inherent in free speech laws, where to yell "fire" in a crowded theater is NOT protected under free speech. Likewise, releasing code without restrictions maximizes a level of freedom. What you can't appear to percieve is that this is analogus to granting the right to shout "fire". The rights and freedoms of the individual as well as the rights and freedoms of a community (as well as a species) need to be ballanced, .i.e., maximized.
Some prefer to volunteer for the greater good of the community. They wouldn't be pleased with the perversion of their codebase. You are happy enough that the powers that be use your code. Fine. But don't expect respect.
I enjoy the legal issues. I don't enjoy the trolls. Slackard is an artful troll, but truely a troll nontheless.
There is informative content. There is art. Then there is advertising. Text is fine for the former, although math symbols and graphs can help. Visual art requires graphics, as auditory art requires speakers. Its the advertising that we hate. There is an *in your face* attitude that makes me long for the printer format option. *sigh*
I'd like to set a "demand printer only version FIRST" option! Its hard to read with things blinking and spining on the sidelines. Its worse than trying to read in a room full of 3 year olds.
For ya'll windows users out there: try the free opera if you have Norton's Internet Security. Set ad banner killer and it kills the opera banners as well as banners on web pages. :-)
I applaude XML. Generating dynamic content ala apache cocoon is visionary. But...go from XML to HTML at the server and target lynx users too. A simple compliant text only page should be simple enough to do to, yes?
And I even read books without illustrations now. I can remember when I would flip through a book to judge it by its pictures, but that was 33 years ago. I am not against designing areas of the web in appropriate fashion for 6 year olds, but I am concerned that a 6 year old mentality is the apex of the targeted market.
It is disturbing. Its as though they write to control your every sense input. It can be more like watching tv than reading.
There are two ways to keep viewers attention. Dazzle them with brilliance or blind them with bullshit. You claim that only the latter will hold their attention for more than 30 seconds. I guess if all you know is "hammer" then every viewer looks like a nail.
Actually I buy from cheapbytes, oreilly, and amazon. But I browse with lynx so if they have eyecandy I sure don't know it!
Interesting thing, I can zoom the fonts in KDE with a standard two button mouse. Same effect but one of us had to spend $80. Somebody's got to help Gates stay the richest man in the world, though...
Amen! I browse with lynx these days and its amazing how much more content I view.
The browser might be a way to start this. Open composer and you can simulate a word processor, insert tables (if only they had spreadsheet functionality), type a url and its automaticly live...and you can immediately execute the url! The urls link you to your documents as well as the WWW. Perhaps a cross between lynx with vi keybindings and netscape composer...and then learn java *sigh*.
Yes he has. Why can't I import VI key movement keys into Netscape and KEdit and everything? Key movement is fairly global. All global operations should be settable to standards. I shouldn't have to learn a new interface to different applications. Such shouldn't be hard-coded into ea. app. His plan actually demotes applications and extends the OS. He just wants to see it done in such a way that users don't have to notice the OS while they use their system.
How about you start typing. If you want it to be a spreadsheet you select the text and Alt-Ctrl-S-S and whats selected becomes a cell of a table. Type some more. If you want it to go into the cell it can be. If not, its a word processor. Type commands, and select them and type Alt-Ctrl-R-C. Out put shows up underneath. Is it a word processor? Yes. Is it a command line? Yes. Is it a spreadsheet? Yes. Is it a database? Yes. Is it a web browser? Yes. Yet its *one single windows* with a common set of keystroke commands. The applications get "hidden", just as the OS gets "hidden", and I as a user deal with DATA formated however the hell I want it formatated. His idea is to have libraries that perform operations/transformations on our data. No standalone applications at all. Every application shares and plays with everything else. If I can see it I should be able to select it. If I can select it I can copy it. Why can't I select the "search" button from the browser and drag it to a document? Because we haven't designed applications to be modular enough to embed such functionality seamlessly.
When I toured the Philips Petroleum Research Facility in OK I was especially interested in their computational chemistry dept. since thats as close to physics as they get. I was not surprised to see they used SGI, but saw they also used Apple. They were doing 3D Quantum Mechanical Chemical Modeling. The modeling was done with Sandia Labs MPQC (GPLed), and they displayed on either SGI or Apple.
Agreed: we should have the right to decrypt anything that is broadcast. There might be issues more complex with what we then do/i? with what we've decrypted, but the act of breaking their encryption should not be a crime.
The feedback is no longer natural it is controlled. Multinational corporations destroy the balance of power that Adam Smith assumed. There is no free market in the USA due to said imbalance, and shouldn't be referred to as capitalism but rather as corporatism.
The shift is related to funding. It began with Computer Science dropping the "science" methodolgy and becoming a business model. It relates to federal funding for science focusing entirely on "applied" science. Universities want patents now because they can't get money unless they restrict access to their work. The free flow of information will become "charge all the market will bare". Its not Science, its Business.
Typesetters and publishers? But academics use TeX or LaTeX almost exclusively for publishing. Seems like the cost is just a supply/demand issue. In terms of supply there aren't that many people who *can* produce the Tetrahedron Letters even if they made that a life goal. In terms of demand, I doubt that just "any respectible college" will pay that much. Maybe the top 5%? I doubt its the top 1/3.