I agree that the *philosophy* of the GNU is central to Linux (the movement). I refer to "GNU/Linux" for a more concrete reason, though. Consider how much of a typical distribution is GNU code. Most of what makes it "really unix" is GNU. This might not matter to someone who wants to startup in an X-windows "MS Windows" clone for the primary purpose of web browsing and word processing. I suggest they'd be happy enough with a free non-commercial copy of BE. (And please, I respect BE.)
Everyone knows Emacs is GNU, but what about bash, gcc, g++, libc, libg++, gas, ld, size, nm, gprof, gdb, make, sed, gawk, etc... etc...
I agree that its not about *personal* recognition. But personally I do think the *GNU tools themselves* deserve recognition.
You make the mistake of assuming a zero-sum game. There are parameter values that will end up with a net *loss* of freedom for all. Likewise their are parameter values that will allow for a net increase in the freedom *above* the current total sum of freedoms. A zero sum game assumes a static pie to be distributed: what he gets I can't get and is lost to me. Its a very simple model. Most real life situations are *not* zero sum games. It is possible to choose parameters that allow both parties to have 2 pies. Who said the volume of pie was a konstant?
Seems that math, chemistry, & physics would especially be well suited to computer based instruction. Anything requiring visualization to perform the calculation could be enhanced by viewing multiple animations right next to the math (simple algebra and vectors...maybe some calculus).
Napster is a software program. It uses a company as a host for purposes of procreation. It uses the host to secure nutrients (i.e., cashflow) for itself and its prodogiy. But don't mistake Napster the software for Napster the company (host). Napster is a success whether or not the host body lives or dies.
I feel such exclusiveness based on gender is sexist. I'd prefer more balanced demographics on slashdot and in my profession. Who wouldn't? I don't see how building a wall and saying "no men may pass" is going to make things more inclusive, though. If sexism is wrong, is your being sexist fundamentaly different? Truely?
Real books are more likely to be stollen. I could carry everything in my backpack if it were in CD format. As it is I needs must leave books at my desk. Every year the book thieves come through to steal and "sell back" textbooks. Lower division texts are self-contained. Upper division starts using materials across texts. At the Grad level I find I need a ref. lib available. E-book format would work. I could have my whole library with me all the time. I can't physically carry all the books I need.
Seems i recall the declaration of indepence in both constituitonal law classes and even in business law (in passing). It is the validation of everything that came after it. Else we are just a nation of thugs that should reform and pay tribute to the Queen.
In terms of "consent" I suggest that the DMCA is unconstitutional. If we needs must vote the buggers out to get honest officals to do the right thing then we should.
Also please specifiy that we are a democratic republic. The USSR was a republic also. (I so hate it when people don't understand the word "republic".)
Excuse me, but please read his post again. You don't seem to know what *he* was talking about. The point is that IBM could have but they didn't. Hence the clones and the standards and the oh so cheap hardware leading to Beowulf clusters:-)
Also consider that it would be enough to *try* to use the evidence. As long as the evidence becomes public knowledge (assuming no gag order) the dirty covert action loses its sting. Then one can make an informed choice as to whether the benifit outweighs the indignity of lose of privacy.
What about "tips"? A phone call to an agency saying: "I have knowledge that so-and-so lies about their product, and here are the details." Wouldn't this be like the police getting an anonomous tip that a crime was occuring? Could anything they find while investigating the "tip" be used against the company who lied and misrepresented their product?
Last thought...in terms of "people" being protected from government...a corporation *is* legally a corporate entity...and hence it is legally a "people" too (deserving of similar protection). I am concerned about the ballance of power, though. I care about the progress of our species. Corporations care about enhancing shareholder value. Total control -> maximum profit != evolving towards maximum progress.
I propose that reverse engineering is always a right regardless of the economic consequences to the parties being reverse engineered. No one has the right to steal. Everyone has the right to reverse engineer.
granted the
privelege of practicing reverse engineering
The act of understanding how something works that one has bought is not a priviledge. The only possible check on this action is stupidity. Those who are unable to analyze a system won't ever understand it. Those who can, should. If that understanding leads to better products we as a species benifit.
To suggest that security vulnerabilities must be fixed before they are made public is to say they must never be made public. It is only public censure that insures the fixes.
Is this not more like the ISP is a tollboth as you leave your driveway, and ATT wants to charge if you use their super highway? Will it matter if you change your ISP if the merchants are connected only through AT&T?
Agreed! All are newbies originally. This newbie started by downloading Debian (wanted my first one to be FREE), and I was compiling things the first day.
I used to get paid by SSU (in CA) to take notes for students with disabilities. I would assume that since this is payment by the school the practice would be unaffected.
moderated by performance of your economic weath and incorporation Just don't expect us graduate assistants to participate. We have no economic wealth. I hear some postdocs make decent money...so I guess it would be a filter.
I think its true that there exists a less than perfect system here, yet I'm impressed with the overall moderation I've seen. I assume that there is a +/- 1 error built into the system. Its rare to read a 3,4,5 that isn't above average. Likewise, browsing at -1 is for the most part painful. Sure some -1 deserve to be 0, some 3 should be a 2...the question thus becomes 1)what signal/noise ratio can you tollerate, 2)whats the probability of finding an undervalued "nugget", 3)whats the average value of said nugget, 4) assign your filter level accordingly.
Obviously I come back because I like it here...the thing is it seems much more fairly rated to me than perhaps it does to others.
Perhaps a weighted average of Kuro5hin's new plan and our current system would improve our error to +/- 1/2... (ahh but how to weight that average?)
the idea that some people's posting should
be limited seems wrong... at least here, part of Slashdot's charm is that anyone can post whatever they want, and
moderation only helps people filter the list.
I think I agree. Free speech means that you can speak and whether anybody wants to listen depends on (hopefully the quality of) what you say. A good filter would "supress" (without eliminating) the obvious noise and allow low rated quasi-noise. We then decide what ratio of signal to noise we desire or can tolerate.
Perhaps I'm concerned I'd be left out...but I'd also miss some of the interesting tangents I read.
Querry: are we demographicly capable of such "pure" democracy? What is our "troll/hacker" ratio? Regardless it sounds like a truely grand experiment.
We agree that the definition was changed. We argue over which came first. Assertion that your definition was the original does little against your opponets citing of historical fact. In others words, the youngster is right.
So why
did they buy this company in the first place? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just
come-out with their own mini-firewall, server, cube-like thing? Consider if they had competed and failed against cobalt in this market? Now they own the competition...
Turbo Pascal and Turbo Assembler are how I learned to code. I eventually learned Turbo C++ for a C++ class (but never took a class in C). Haven't used pascal in...over a decade...lol, but the enforced structure wasn't that much of a pain. Its an easy language.:-)
My analytical mechanics text claims "it is difficult to construct a rocket which even if it carries no payload, has a mass ratio r = Minitial/Mfinal as large as 10. The final velocity in free space for a single-stage rocket is is then vf...if n rockets are staged so that each has the same exhaust velocity u and the same mass ratio r, the final velocity is nu ln r.
Regardless of the material improvements, the multistage is going to be more effiecent. As the mass of the tank approaches zero (that is, if we could build the tank out of fuel) we would approach a limit where the "multi-stage" was a continuous function (rather than, say, 3 stages).
If the fuel tanks weigh nothing and take up no space, then carrying them is free. While they have fuel they are essential. As the fuel is spendt, then dumping sections of empty tank reduce mass. To carry the empty section along is wasteful. A fraction of the mass of the empty tank could be useful payload instead of overhead.
Our knowledge of physics is Physics. Physics is about building models. To "believe" in the models is, I suggest, unscientific. To suggest that Physics is reality is to ignore history. Newton's reality is not the reality of today. In another 100 years the models will have changed, so Physics will have changed. "Reality" will be the same, but thats not Physics.
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I agree that the *philosophy* of the GNU is central to Linux (the movement). I refer to "GNU/Linux" for a more concrete reason, though. Consider how much of a typical distribution is GNU code. Most of what makes it "really unix" is GNU. This might not matter to someone who wants to startup in an X-windows "MS Windows" clone for the primary purpose of web browsing and word processing. I suggest they'd be happy enough with a free non-commercial copy of BE. (And please, I respect BE.)
Everyone knows Emacs is GNU, but what about bash, gcc, g++, libc, libg++, gas, ld, size, nm, gprof, gdb, make, sed, gawk, etc... etc...
I agree that its not about *personal* recognition. But personally I do think the *GNU tools themselves* deserve recognition.
You make the mistake of assuming a zero-sum game. There are parameter values that will end up with a net *loss* of freedom for all. Likewise their are parameter values that will allow for a net increase in the freedom *above* the current total sum of freedoms. A zero sum game assumes a static pie to be distributed: what he gets I can't get and is lost to me. Its a very simple model. Most real life situations are *not* zero sum games. It is possible to choose parameters that allow both parties to have 2 pies. Who said the volume of pie was a konstant?
Seems that math, chemistry, & physics would especially be well suited to computer based instruction. Anything requiring visualization to perform the calculation could be enhanced by viewing multiple animations right next to the math (simple algebra and vectors...maybe some calculus).
Napster is a software program. It uses a company as a host for purposes of procreation. It uses the host to secure nutrients (i.e., cashflow) for itself and its prodogiy. But don't mistake Napster the software for Napster the company (host). Napster is a success whether or not the host body lives or dies.
I feel such exclusiveness based on gender is sexist. I'd prefer more balanced demographics on slashdot and in my profession. Who wouldn't? I don't see how building a wall and saying "no men may pass" is going to make things more inclusive, though. If sexism is wrong, is your being sexist fundamentaly different? Truely?
Real books are more likely to be stollen. I could carry everything in my backpack if it were in CD format. As it is I needs must leave books at my desk. Every year the book thieves come through to steal and "sell back" textbooks. Lower division texts are self-contained. Upper division starts using materials across texts. At the Grad level I find I need a ref. lib available. E-book format would work. I could have my whole library with me all the time. I can't physically carry all the books I need.
Seems i recall the declaration of indepence in both constituitonal law classes and even in business law (in passing). It is the validation of everything that came after it. Else we are just a nation of thugs that should reform and pay tribute to the Queen.
In terms of "consent" I suggest that the DMCA is unconstitutional. If we needs must vote the buggers out to get honest officals to do the right thing then we should.
Also please specifiy that we are a democratic republic. The USSR was a republic also. (I so hate it when people don't understand the word "republic".)
Excuse me, but please read his post again. You don't seem to know what *he* was talking about. The point is that IBM could have but they didn't. Hence the clones and the standards and the oh so cheap hardware leading to Beowulf clusters :-)
Also consider that it would be enough to *try* to use the evidence. As long as the evidence becomes public knowledge (assuming no gag order) the dirty covert action loses its sting. Then one can make an informed choice as to whether the benifit outweighs the indignity of lose of privacy.
What about "tips"? A phone call to an agency saying: "I have knowledge that so-and-so lies about their product, and here are the details." Wouldn't this be like the police getting an anonomous tip that a crime was occuring? Could anything they find while investigating the "tip" be used against the company who lied and misrepresented their product?
Last thought...in terms of "people" being protected from government...a corporation *is* legally a corporate entity...and hence it is legally a "people" too (deserving of similar protection). I am concerned about the ballance of power, though. I care about the progress of our species. Corporations care about enhancing shareholder value. Total control -> maximum profit != evolving towards maximum progress.
so-called "right".
I propose that reverse engineering is always a right regardless of the economic consequences to the parties being reverse engineered. No one has the right to steal. Everyone has the right to reverse engineer.
granted the privelege of practicing reverse engineering
The act of understanding how something works that one has bought is not a priviledge. The only possible check on this action is stupidity. Those who are unable to analyze a system won't ever understand it. Those who can, should. If that understanding leads to better products we as a species benifit.
To suggest that security vulnerabilities must be fixed before they are made public is to say they must never be made public. It is only public censure that insures the fixes.
I apoligize to all if I am responding to a troll.
IBM Labs is mecca now that Bell Labs went away.
Is this not more like the ISP is a tollboth as you leave your driveway, and ATT wants to charge if you use their super highway? Will it matter if you change your ISP if the merchants are connected only through AT&T?
Agreed! All are newbies originally. This newbie started by downloading Debian (wanted my first one to be FREE), and I was compiling things the first day.
I used to get paid by SSU (in CA) to take notes for students with disabilities. I would assume that since this is payment by the school the practice would be unaffected.
moderated by performance of your economic weath and incorporation
Just don't expect us graduate assistants to participate. We have no economic wealth. I hear some postdocs make decent money...so I guess it would be a filter.
I think its true that there exists a less than perfect system here, yet I'm impressed with the overall moderation I've seen. I assume that there is a +/- 1 error built into the system. Its rare to read a 3,4,5 that isn't above average. Likewise, browsing at -1 is for the most part painful. Sure some -1 deserve to be 0, some 3 should be a 2...the question thus becomes 1)what signal/noise ratio can you tollerate, 2)whats the probability of finding an undervalued "nugget", 3)whats the average value of said nugget, 4) assign your filter level accordingly.
Obviously I come back because I like it here...the thing is it seems much more fairly rated to me than perhaps it does to others.
Perhaps a weighted average of Kuro5hin's new plan and our current system would improve our error to +/- 1/2...
(ahh but how to weight that average?)
the idea that some people's posting should be limited seems wrong ... at least here, part of Slashdot's charm is that anyone can post whatever they want, and
moderation only helps people filter the list.
I think I agree. Free speech means that you can speak and whether anybody wants to listen depends on (hopefully the quality of) what you say. A good filter would "supress" (without eliminating) the obvious noise and allow low rated quasi-noise. We then decide what ratio of signal to noise we desire or can tolerate.
Perhaps I'm concerned I'd be left out...but I'd also miss some of the interesting tangents I read.
Querry: are we demographicly capable of such "pure" democracy? What is our "troll/hacker" ratio? Regardless it sounds like a truely grand experiment.
We agree that the definition was changed. We argue over which came first. Assertion that your definition was the original does little against your opponets citing of historical fact. In others words, the youngster is right.
So why did they buy this company in the first place? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just come-out with their own mini-firewall, server, cube-like thing?
Consider if they had competed and failed against cobalt in this market? Now they own the competition...
Whats especially sad is that those machines where in a closet. "Since 2000/05/11, MCA support is part of NetBSD tree" http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/i386/ps2.html
Those machines would kick ass on what I used learning TurboPascal and TurboC++ (an original HP Vectra = 12 Mhz 80286).
Turbo Pascal and Turbo Assembler are how I learned to code. I eventually learned Turbo C++ for a C++ class (but never took a class in C). Haven't used pascal in...over a decade...lol, but the enforced structure wasn't that much of a pain. Its an easy language. :-)
My analytical mechanics text claims "it is difficult to construct a rocket which even if it carries no payload, has a mass ratio r = Minitial/Mfinal as large as 10. The final velocity in free space for a single-stage rocket is is then vf...if n rockets are staged so that each has the same exhaust velocity u and the same mass ratio r, the final velocity is nu ln r.
Regardless of the material improvements, the multistage is going to be more effiecent.
As the mass of the tank approaches zero (that is, if we could build the tank out of fuel) we would approach a limit where the "multi-stage" was a continuous function (rather than, say, 3 stages).
If the fuel tanks weigh nothing and take up no space, then carrying them is free. While they have fuel they are essential. As the fuel is spendt, then dumping sections of empty tank reduce mass. To carry the empty section along is wasteful. A fraction of the mass of the empty tank could be useful payload instead of overhead.
Our knowledge of physics is Physics. Physics is about building models. To "believe" in the models is, I suggest, unscientific. To suggest that Physics is reality is to ignore history. Newton's reality is not the reality of today. In another 100 years the models will have changed, so Physics will have changed. "Reality" will be the same, but thats not Physics.
Redundant? Whats redundant?
And whats a lameness filter?