Agreed with this small modification. I go to google first for everything, but lately I've been noticing that Wikipedia is often one of the links I choose from the list. Wikipedia almost always gives me exactly what I'm looking for, too, and links to go deeper.
You shouldn't almost but not quite quote someone, then tear them apart based on your addition to their post, claiming "niceties are important" as though you had pointed out something in the their post rather than some something in your own mind. Might there even be a name for this logical fallacy?
You know, wouldn't it be nice if Microsoft came out with a set of man pages instead of that piece of... code... they call MS Help? It is possible to *quickly* get the necessary information to do basic things with man pages. Not that I think the format of MS Help is so bad (it looks just like gnome help, or java help) although I do think that the phrase "compiled HTML" is at least somehow contradictary. The actual ad hoc assortment of text, and dismal indexing, makes it possible to have done something 6 months ago and not know the secret MS combo of terms to search for to find it again. Rumor has it documentation is so bad for windows to support the third party book market.
Well I'd installed a number of windows OSes, and a few versions of several distros, but most of the people I took Operating Systems with were windows users. Everyone else thought that the install labs were going to be easy for windows and hard for linux. Wrong. Getting network printers working, and file servers, and setting up users accounts, etc..., starting with a set of CDs and an unformated hard drive was easier for almost everybody using linux than windows. These were computer science juniors and seniors, not exactly without a clue...
Corporate ideology is differenet enough it appears alien to mere citizens. However, there are certainly differences between companies, and Microsoft has been abusive for as long as they've had the power to be so. To suggest that any company that ascended would behave like Microsoft is to suggest that anyone elected president would be impeached.
"He has a misperception that I've seen before that Windows people are all about marketshare and Linux people are all about the OS. In truth there's both kinds on both sides."
Agreed. But also ask yourself: "Of the people using Microsoft, what percentage got an 'A' in Operating Systems?" It is a two edged sword, you see. While Linux is seeing some adoption, it is still primarily used on servers, and by geeks who either run those servers or whose "other computer" is made by someone who made 64bit CPUs when Intel was limping towards '486.
Myself, I have to admit that gaining marketshare would mean more clout with peripheral drivers. However, I don't have to like seeing good systems dumbed down so that they resemble (what I consider to be) old and ugly designs. If Linux could shake a magic wand and split the desktop market with MS, but had to become more like windows to do it, I'd hate it.
Isn't the war in Iraq funded mostly from discretionary spending? I mean that's part of the problem, the war isn't budgeted money.
Another problem is combining trust and federal funds (which began as a way to hide the cost of the vietnam war...) $ 2, 1 3 0 Billion total federal outlay, of which about 30% is military (current) and about 18% is military (past), for a total of damn near half of the fedearl income tax dollars going to military spending. Which you won't see based on the way the numbers are jumbled.
What you should do is take the Defense Department (DoD) budget, add in the Veteran's Administration budget (which don't show up there, obviously), then add in the Department of Energy (DOE)'s weapons programs, then add in the percentage of debt interest that results from past military spending. Otherwise, the miltiary budget is way under represented.
Yes, indeed. I was merely trying to help make that differentation. Free software came first, and open source extended free to be more friendly to closed software; thus, all Free SW is Open, but not all Open SW is Free.
Probably you are being funny, but just in case: there is no GNU/Linux kernel. There is only a Linux kernel and the GNU software which together make GNU/Linux. In terms of differentiating between the kernel and the kernel plus libraries and toolchain, which seemed to be what you were originally doing, this distinction would do it for you.
What this doesn't do, actually, is then differentiate between GNU/Linux, and for those who are, say, running KDE...wouldn't it be KDE on GNU/Linux?
Doesn't Solaris have its own toolchain? I would think that if you dumped all the solaris stuff in/usr/bin and/sbin and replaced it with the GNU stuff, at that point it could be called GNU/Solaris. Funny thought, that;-)
He was replying to "Why is that so many people prefer kde over gnome, yet redhat, debian-based distros like ubuntu and now SuSE use gnome as their primary?" and "I'm not criticising gnome, it's a fine project and a good desktop environment, but I really like the unified desktop, reusable kparts and configurability you get with kde."
The response is that as kool as kparts are, the QT dependence and commercial viability of GTK means Gnome dominance, which really means that someday in the far future "gparts" will be the standard. Thus, GTK Firefox is a perfect example of Gnome vs KDE.
GTK+ was initially developed for and used by the GIMP, the GNU Image Manipulation Program. Therefore, it is named "The GIMP Toolkit", so that the origins of the project are remembered. Today GTK+ is used by a large number of applications, and is the toolkit used by the GNU project's GNOME desktop.
Thus the GNU Object Model Environment and the GNU Image Manipulation Program are both part of the GNU. I think you'd be willing to admit that at the very least, this is an example of GNU dominating KDE/QT?
ah but it isn't "a single continent", so it couldn't be one of the mainstream ones. There are two continents, joined by a land bridge. America refers to a geographical region, yes. But not to a single continent. Mirriam Webster:
Usage: geographical name
1 either continent (N. America or S. America) of the western hemisphere
2 or the Americas/-k&z/ the lands of the western hemisphere including N., Central, & S. America & the W. Indies
3 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
The comment about finding a kernel maintainer was likewise interesting:
"I have been the maintainer of the Suse kernel for more than a decade now," Mantel wrote. "I'm very confident the Novell management will find a competent successor very quickly. After all, there are lots of extremely skilled people over there in the Ximian division."
It is enough to make one wonder if there is a power struggle, or at least the perception of one, arising from differences of opinion between the SuSE and Ximian groups. SuSE's technical excellence is perhaps not so appreciated as some feel it should be? How important is mono?
rtfa: "implement the business logic of their application in a high-level object-oriented language of their choice. Morfik then automatically compiles this code into a JavaScript AJAX engine."
Also: "The process is a true compilation and avoids boilerplates or code snippet libraries. The source code is put through a parser which includes a tokenizer and syntax analyzer. The parser output is then passed to a semantic map builder which creates a detailed semantic map that conveys the entire 'meaning' of the application - a technique in widespread use by CAD systems.
Finally a synthesizer uses this map to create JavaScript (or optionally, obfuscated JavaScript!) code which is semantically identical to the original source and conveys the same 'meaning'."
Actually Sandia Labs has copyrighted a number of software programs (MPQC). I rather like that they have choosen the GPL, but without doubt they are copyrighting their work. Likewise, when Maxima's predecessor (Macsyma) was originally coded for the DOE it was copyrighted, and DOE had to later be convinced to give permission for Maxima to GPLed.
I think that if you look a little bit closer at our economy, you might just see that we aren't currently spending at the ratio you quote. A billion/day is enough to slew that bar chart over to the right. Unless you are suggesting that war is a "socialist thing".
When you can drive your car through my garage, then drive home, leaving me a working copy of your car for just the raw material costs, then at that point in time I'd agree. Do away with GM and hire a few people to design really the best possible car once, then let bit torrent spread the distribution costs. Until then, there are significant differences between automobiles and software, like physical vs. "intellectual".
Actually if software copyright were declared illegal tomorrow, I think a lot of reverse engineering would suddenly take place. Binary to macro assembly to C converters would be all the rage. Microsoft Office would be available in C, C++, Python, Perl, Ruby and god knows what else, just shortly there after... *snort*
You are confusing Gnome with GTK. The GP said, "Look at all the 'must haves' at least using Gtk+ as the widget set." So Firefox *is* a GTK app, because it uses the Gimp Tool Kit (GTK). Likewise, the Gimp most obviously uses the Gimp Tool Kit. The Gimp is why GDK and GTK were originally created. Gnome is built on GTK, which is built on GDK, which then goes on top of xlib. KDE is built of kparts, on top of QT, which (at least on linux) then goes on xlib. So Gimp and Firefox are GTK apps, rather than QT apps, plain and simple.
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Agreed with this small modification. I go to google first for everything, but lately I've been noticing that Wikipedia is often one of the links I choose from the list. Wikipedia almost always gives me exactly what I'm looking for, too, and links to go deeper.
When all you having going for you is fashion sense and group herd rituals, then fashion sense and group herd rituals is everything (to you).
You shouldn't almost but not quite quote someone, then tear them apart based on your addition to their post, claiming "niceties are important" as though you had pointed out something in the their post rather than some something in your own mind. Might there even be a name for this logical fallacy?
Quanta is KDE for sure. Isn't Scribus just QT? Or are there KDE dependencies in Scribus too?
Yeah, I noticed the "X" dog tag too :-)
Only thing is, most of the Mac users I know are more like, named Raven, or something, ya know? and are just so totally the "elitist asshole."
;-)
You know, wouldn't it be nice if Microsoft came out with a set of man pages instead of that piece of... code... they call MS Help? It is possible to *quickly* get the necessary information to do basic things with man pages. Not that I think the format of MS Help is so bad (it looks just like gnome help, or java help) although I do think that the phrase "compiled HTML" is at least somehow contradictary. The actual ad hoc assortment of text, and dismal indexing, makes it possible to have done something 6 months ago and not know the secret MS combo of terms to search for to find it again. Rumor has it documentation is so bad for windows to support the third party book market.
Well I'd installed a number of windows OSes, and a few versions of several distros, but most of the people I took Operating Systems with were windows users. Everyone else thought that the install labs were going to be easy for windows and hard for linux. Wrong. Getting network printers working, and file servers, and setting up users accounts, etc..., starting with a set of CDs and an unformated hard drive was easier for almost everybody using linux than windows. These were computer science juniors and seniors, not exactly without a clue...
Corporate ideology is differenet enough it appears alien to mere citizens. However, there are certainly differences between companies, and Microsoft has been abusive for as long as they've had the power to be so. To suggest that any company that ascended would behave like Microsoft is to suggest that anyone elected president would be impeached.
"He has a misperception that I've seen before that Windows people are all about marketshare and Linux people are all about the OS. In truth there's both kinds on both sides."
Agreed. But also ask yourself: "Of the people using Microsoft, what percentage got an 'A' in Operating Systems?" It is a two edged sword, you see. While Linux is seeing some adoption, it is still primarily used on servers, and by geeks who either run those servers or whose "other computer" is made by someone who made 64bit CPUs when Intel was limping towards '486.
Myself, I have to admit that gaining marketshare would mean more clout with peripheral drivers. However, I don't have to like seeing good systems dumbed down so that they resemble (what I consider to be) old and ugly designs. If Linux could shake a magic wand and split the desktop market with MS, but had to become more like windows to do it, I'd hate it.
Isn't the war in Iraq funded mostly from discretionary spending? I mean that's part of the problem, the war isn't budgeted money.
Another problem is combining trust and federal funds (which began as a way to hide the cost of the vietnam war...) $ 2, 1 3 0 Billion total federal outlay, of which about 30% is military (current) and about 18% is military (past), for a total of damn near half of the fedearl income tax dollars going to military spending. Which you won't see based on the way the numbers are jumbled.
What you should do is take the Defense Department (DoD) budget, add in the Veteran's Administration budget (which don't show up there, obviously), then add in the Department of Energy (DOE)'s weapons programs, then add in the percentage of debt interest that results from past military spending. Otherwise, the miltiary budget is way under represented.
Yes, indeed. I was merely trying to help make that differentation. Free software came first, and open source extended free to be more friendly to closed software; thus, all Free SW is Open, but not all Open SW is Free.
Probably you are being funny, but just in case: there is no GNU/Linux kernel. There is only a Linux kernel and the GNU software which together make GNU/Linux. In terms of differentiating between the kernel and the kernel plus libraries and toolchain, which seemed to be what you were originally doing, this distinction would do it for you.
What this doesn't do, actually, is then differentiate between GNU/Linux, and for those who are, say, running KDE...wouldn't it be KDE on GNU/Linux?
Doesn't Solaris have its own toolchain? I would think that if you dumped all the solaris stuff in /usr/bin and /sbin and replaced it with the GNU stuff, at that point it could be called GNU/Solaris. Funny thought, that ;-)
Don't you mean GNU/Linux? Even Solaris is OpenSource...
Would you accept that the US of A is a plutocratic/democratic republic? Not so sure about Canada, which is also in America.
The response is that as kool as kparts are, the QT dependence and commercial viability of GTK means Gnome dominance, which really means that someday in the far future "gparts" will be the standard. Thus, GTK Firefox is a perfect example of Gnome vs KDE.
rtfa: "implement the business logic of their application in a high-level object-oriented language of their choice. Morfik then automatically compiles this code into a JavaScript AJAX engine."
Also: "The process is a true compilation and avoids boilerplates or code snippet libraries. The source code is put through a parser which includes a tokenizer and syntax analyzer. The parser output is then passed to a semantic map builder which creates a detailed semantic map that conveys the entire 'meaning' of the application - a technique in widespread use by CAD systems.
Finally a synthesizer uses this map to create JavaScript (or optionally, obfuscated JavaScript!) code which is semantically identical to the original source and conveys the same 'meaning'."
Actually Sandia Labs has copyrighted a number of software programs (MPQC). I rather like that they have choosen the GPL, but without doubt they are copyrighting their work. Likewise, when Maxima's predecessor (Macsyma) was originally coded for the DOE it was copyrighted, and DOE had to later be convinced to give permission for Maxima to GPLed.
I think that if you look a little bit closer at our economy, you might just see that we aren't currently spending at the ratio you quote. A billion/day is enough to slew that bar chart over to the right. Unless you are suggesting that war is a "socialist thing".
When you can drive your car through my garage, then drive home, leaving me a working copy of your car for just the raw material costs, then at that point in time I'd agree. Do away with GM and hire a few people to design really the best possible car once, then let bit torrent spread the distribution costs. Until then, there are significant differences between automobiles and software, like physical vs. "intellectual".
Actually if software copyright were declared illegal tomorrow, I think a lot of reverse engineering would suddenly take place. Binary to macro assembly to C converters would be all the rage. Microsoft Office would be available in C, C++, Python, Perl, Ruby and god knows what else, just shortly there after... *snort*
Since when did truth become a form a bias?
With flamebait such as this, Joel On Software must be worth googling.
You are confusing Gnome with GTK. The GP said, "Look at all the 'must haves' at least using Gtk+ as the widget set." So Firefox *is* a GTK app, because it uses the Gimp Tool Kit (GTK). Likewise, the Gimp most obviously uses the Gimp Tool Kit. The Gimp is why GDK and GTK were originally created. Gnome is built on GTK, which is built on GDK, which then goes on top of xlib. KDE is built of kparts, on top of QT, which (at least on linux) then goes on xlib. So Gimp and Firefox are GTK apps, rather than QT apps, plain and simple.