Like a reboot is that big of a deal. It takes all of 5 minutes, and can even be scheduled. Let's get off the uptime high horse, eh? If you need 24/7 uptime, there's ways to get it, but be prepared to pay for it...both with *nix or Windows.
Evidentally you haven't rebooted a system with a RAID array before, then... takes longer than that. Besides, the ONLY times I have ever had to reboot a Solaris server was between tcp parameter changes (scheduled during a change to be totally sure the init scripts work properly), a bad simm chip (nice Sun fiasco back then), and when a massive power outage hit my old jobs main campus, taking out the NFS servers. (for some reason, they wouldn't respond afterwards even though the shares were there, and it was one of the important partitions)
Rebooting is never NECESSARY, barring hardware environmental, or kernel upgrade issues. That's the mentality that got us to where we are today. Everyone thinks that rebooting is alright, but back them into a corner where there is a deadline to meet and they have to reboot continously... see what happens.
It doesn't cost any more to have a reliable operating system. That's the key right there... Sure, Win2K is a great step in the right direction. It doesn't exactly have the power and flexibility of Unix (think server, not desktop), but it's definately starting to achieve more stability. I still wouldn't trust it in my organization if I was a head-admin,however. The price difference, along with proprietary lockins, and issues that spring up out of thin air with Microsoft kicking and screaming the whole time while they are forced to fix it, makes me wary. That, and I don't put toys in the server room.
I'll take the old saying of television a step further...
Kill Your Computer.
Once we are finally free of the mind control the computer introduces to your mind, we shall be free. No longer will our minds be cluttered by propaganda and hate filled rheteric.
As with everything newer algorithyms were introduced for greater efficiency. The VM was "okay" in 2.4, but it can always be better.
though, I wouldn't touch anything between 2.4.0 and 2.4.12 with my worst enemies servers. I'm glad we're past those issues.
I'm just waiting to witness the enhancements in the 2.5 series (once introduced in 2.6 that is) with threading. That ought to be something really nice.
well, you never know what he was comparing FreeBSD to, you know. He might have been talking about FreeBSD in comparison to say.. Windows XP?
Honestly, he didn't say what he was comparing it to, so it could be just about anything like (insert really slow thing that bogs down memory and procesor usage is 100%.. oh wait..Windows...)
Gentoo being a source compiled distribution is what is stopping you?!
good god.. compile it once, dump it to a CD... now you have something to work from in case something happens. I've done that.. of course I've only used the CD on other systems to bring them up to speed quicker to Gentoo.
I would think that there should be a good argument that this should be in the base system, if gentoo had one. And why has 'etc-update' been moved out of the 'base system' and into portage?
If it was in the base system, you'd wonder why it isn't in portage.. when it's in portge, you'd wonder why it's not in the base system.
There is no "base system" with Gentoo, that's the thing. Everything is in portage, including portage. There's even "baselayout" in portage which are the config files and such. Besides, how would you update gentoolkit if it wasn't in portage? (it changes due to updates from time to time.. running "emerge rsync" once in a while will show you that)
Maybe im just too used to the way that FreeBSD does stuff. I would hate it if FreeBSD used the ports tree for the base system. But that would be impossible because there is a lot of code that wouldnt exist if it wasnt in the FreeBSD CVS tree.
BSD uses a CVS backend... Gentoo's portage uses an rsync back-end. As it stands (as I have seen FreeBSD), it just has a bunch of directories with makefiles in them. You cd to the directory, run make ; make install and everything is installed. How is this different than "emerge apache"? (or if you want to make changes to the files before you build it, "ebuild/usr/portage/net-www/apache/apache-1.3.27-r1.ebuil d fetch" then the same line with unpack in it, place of fetch. cd to/var/tmp/portage/apache-1.3.27-r1/work directory and change the things you need. Then, run "ebuild/usr/portage/net-www/apache/apache-1.3.27-r1.ebuil d compile".. then the same line, with compile changed to install.
It's all broken down for you in the portage user manuals, and so forth. It's a very nice system that (In my usage) far surpasses BSD's ports system. ports was a great start, but it has to go further.
Hyperthreading is an internal feature of the Intel processors. It's alot like the superscalar pipelining introduced earlier on in the Pentium series. (well, hyperthreading isn't, but the transparency is)
Pretty much it just.. "works". No OS changes needed.
have one for you: I would like to use my old dos apps but without using Virtual PC or bochs because I don't like them.
Then don't run a Macintosh if you don't want to run virtualizations of some kind. First off, your running a Unix-like system, and second off your running a completely different architecture. Those two things combined make it impossible to do without either Virtual PC or Bochs. Maybe VMWare if they come out with a OS/X version, but those are your choices.
You understood what he meant, there's no reason for word symantics.
Apple was quite intelligent about their choices. They used the code they had, and improvised in the system kernel in order to achieve a more stable codebase while retaining control over their work. GPL would have forced them to release their code back (all of it) into the community. BSD, however, does not.. They do give code back to the community, however they have a choice as to what they release.
Or just use Logical Volume Management... I consider it alot simpler.. one physical partition to boot from, one physical partition your going to split up, and your done with "partitioning". The rest is as easy as creating whatever logical drives you want inside of LVM.
Its called progress and makes computers more accessible to the rest of us who just want to sit down and get our work done, not become computer experts.
When you say "us", please say what you really mean.. you. Just because it's in a GUI doesn't mean it's easier, it's just prettier. Let's try to keep things in perspective, please.
FreeBSD's installer is very intuitive. (Well, except for the first screen, which needs to be read first to be understood) It's ncurses, but it's menu-based. It also leads to not requiring 64 megs of ram just to run the installer.
It would be different if we were talking about something that Joe Blow is going to install, but this is *BSD we're talking about. You have to have at least an ounce of common sense to use it.. and I consider the installer to be a litmus test of that, in a way.
Is it just me or is quidditch one of the stupidest sports ever imagined?
Nah.. that would be (American) football. At least there is more to Quidditch than beating the hell out of the other team, while trying to run a ball to their sides goal.
Snitches, Beaters, the whole deal... it is multi-faceted. Pretty good for something that was just thought up in someones head, imho.
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Yes.. what better way to show the p0w/-\r of 3l33t hax0r skillz than opening wine to run notepad:)
You might not believe what he says, but he's mostly right. America is more obsessed with trying to keep things running the way it used to be (and finding ways to make MORE money), along with keeping people in line in order to string their pockets directly into certain bank accounts.
When you have 90~95% of people using IE, why should your congress(wo)man have her staff spend their time testing the site with every freeware/OSS/weirdo browser.
If there aren't many people using these "wierd" browsers, then there isn't much to worry about now is there? I think contrary to your belief, the world uses more than IE. I seriously doubt that 90% of the world uses IE, as evidenced by the use of Netscape, Opera, Mozilla, and other browsers.
Aside from that, they all share one thing: standards. Don't follow them, and well... you don't have any credibility in this world as a tech worker. I don't care if you call them MS extensions or not, if you are offering a public service as a government worker you need to use standards so that the entire country can use it, not just your IE constituents.
There's no reason she should even take comments through an online form. There are many other channels, that worked perfectly well for hundreds of years before the internet to contact your elected officials. So really, be thankful there is any online form at all, and, if you really don't like it, write a letter:)
Oh please, stop with the elitist mentality. Any measure of communication is sufficient, and it is the job of our government personnel to use the channels of communication to stay open to the constituents. The only reason regular postal mail is more prevalant currently is because mail has been around longer than the Internet. I'm sure 30-40 years this thought pattern will be extinct... thank god.
Believe it or not, but I had this issue once at Best Buy. I bought an item (I can't exactly remember what it was, it was a couple of years back) and I couldn't use it.. I think it was a CD, or a Playstation game. Anyway, the first time was all dandy. The second time, obviously the person knew I was a repeat because the reciept is exchanged on the first, and another receipt is given to you saying "Exchanged". I was given very dirty looks, and made to wait a while. Third time, I was starting to get pretty upset considering it was a complete waste of my time. The manager was brought into it, and he told me that he would exchange it this one last time, and if it didn't work after that I was going to have to contact the manufacturer of the device. (the player, not the disc) I looked at him with a crossed look, like what the hell do you take me for, an idiot? I told him that I have 20 others that are fine, and this ONE does not work. But, he was adiment about it. Luckily, the 3rd time was a charm and I didn't have to return, but I was just wondering what my recourse would have been if the 3rd one didn't work...
I'm sure the consumer will realize that the 10 other cds that they have play on the cd player, and the BMG cd will not. Logical deduction what is at fault, even after they clean it 5 times.
No matter what happens Microsoft will appeal to the Supreme Court. That will drag everything on even longer, and be exactly how Microsoft has handled all their dealings. Drag it out until it doesn't matter that much whatever happens.
Almost reminds ya of a saved game on the last level of a game.. you just keep banging at it, dieing, retrying, dieing.. until you finally get it.
2.4 since the turn of the millenium. Sorry you're so out of the loop.
I think he/she was talking about drivers, and not the USB subsystem. Sure, there are printer abilities, but try picking up a webcam at your local walmart without skowering hardware compatibility lists that are so scattered it's rediculous. I love Linux, don't get me wrong.. I use it as my primary desktop (well, I use windows for USB camera and gaming, that's it) and I have explored the USB functionality. Subsystems great! Now we need drivers:(
Furthermore, even if an engine like google didn't get the link from the toolbar, it could still get it from someones refererlogs.
Alright, let's not get all wild and draw our guns, shooting into tha air because we think we know everything. If you are referring to logging, that is almost always (unless the person is a DIMWIT) kept in another directory completely out of the access of the web server. (DocumentRoot) If there are other logs, well that is the fault of the webmaster for not using another directory that is protected from browsing for the logs. (again, out of the DocumentRoot) I have done this alot with Perl scripts, and it's not that hard.
What a lot people dont seem to realise, is that the google toolbar [google.com] is allowed [google.com] (but apparently doesn't [webmasterworld.com]) to send back the URLs you visit, and toolbars (like alexa) and spyware do send back URLs you visit for indexing.
It all goes back to proper business practices, and informing your customers of what you are doing firsthand in order to keep trust. Sure, I imagine the google toolbar has the ability to do just about damn near anything it wants within the permissions of the browser.. because it's actually attached to the browser. Just the same as I expect my browser not to clear our my entire C partition because "it can". (
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Like a reboot is that big of a deal. It takes all of 5 minutes, and can even be scheduled. Let's get off the uptime high horse, eh? If you need 24/7 uptime, there's ways to get it, but be prepared to pay for it...both with *nix or Windows.
Evidentally you haven't rebooted a system with a RAID array before, then... takes longer than that.
Besides, the ONLY times I have ever had to reboot a Solaris server was between tcp parameter changes (scheduled during a change to be totally sure the init scripts work properly), a bad simm chip (nice Sun fiasco back then), and when a massive power outage hit my old jobs main campus, taking out the NFS servers. (for some reason, they wouldn't respond afterwards even though the shares were there, and it was one of the important partitions)
Rebooting is never NECESSARY, barring hardware environmental, or kernel upgrade issues. That's the mentality that got us to where we are today. Everyone thinks that rebooting is alright, but back them into a corner where there is a deadline to meet and they have to reboot continously... see what happens.
It doesn't cost any more to have a reliable operating system. That's the key right there...
Sure, Win2K is a great step in the right direction. It doesn't exactly have the power and flexibility of Unix (think server, not desktop), but it's definately starting to achieve more stability. I still wouldn't trust it in my organization if I was a head-admin,however.
The price difference, along with proprietary lockins, and issues that spring up out of thin air with Microsoft kicking and screaming the whole time while they are forced to fix it, makes me wary.
That, and I don't put toys in the server room.
Hey!!! MS-DOS was the bomb!! and it is not a clone of anything:)
QDOS....
Quick-n-dirty-operating-system.
Read your history.
I'll take the old saying of television a step further...
Kill Your Computer.
Once we are finally free of the mind control the computer introduces to your mind, we shall be free. No longer will our minds be cluttered by propaganda and hate filled rheteric.
As with everything newer algorithyms were introduced for greater efficiency. The VM was "okay" in 2.4, but it can always be better.
though, I wouldn't touch anything between 2.4.0 and 2.4.12 with my worst enemies servers. I'm glad we're past those issues.
I'm just waiting to witness the enhancements in the 2.5 series (once introduced in 2.6 that is) with threading. That ought to be something really nice.
well, you never know what he was comparing FreeBSD to, you know. He might have been talking about FreeBSD in comparison to say.. Windows XP?
Honestly, he didn't say what he was comparing it to, so it could be just about anything like (insert really slow thing that bogs down memory and procesor usage is 100%.. oh wait..Windows...)
Gentoo being a source compiled distribution is what is stopping you?!
good god.. compile it once, dump it to a CD... now you have something to work from in case something happens. I've done that.. of course I've only used the CD on other systems to bring them up to speed quicker to Gentoo.
I would think that there should be a good argument that this should be in the base system, if gentoo had one. And why has 'etc-update' been moved out of the 'base system' and into portage?
/usr/portage/net-www/apache/apache-1.3.27-r1.ebuil d fetch" then the same line with unpack in it, place of fetch. cd to /var/tmp/portage/apache-1.3.27-r1/work directory and change the things you need. Then, run "ebuild /usr/portage/net-www/apache/apache-1.3.27-r1.ebuil d compile".. then the same line, with compile changed to install.
If it was in the base system, you'd wonder why it isn't in portage.. when it's in portge, you'd wonder why it's not in the base system.
There is no "base system" with Gentoo, that's the thing. Everything is in portage, including portage. There's even "baselayout" in portage which are the config files and such. Besides, how would you update gentoolkit if it wasn't in portage? (it changes due to updates from time to time.. running "emerge rsync" once in a while will show you that)
Maybe im just too used to the way that FreeBSD does stuff. I would hate it if FreeBSD used the ports tree for the base system. But that would be impossible because there is a lot of code that wouldnt exist if it wasnt in the FreeBSD CVS tree.
BSD uses a CVS backend... Gentoo's portage uses an rsync back-end. As it stands (as I have seen FreeBSD), it just has a bunch of directories with makefiles in them. You cd to the directory, run make ; make install and everything is installed. How is this different than "emerge apache"? (or if you want to make changes to the files before you build it, "ebuild
It's all broken down for you in the portage user manuals, and so forth. It's a very nice system that (In my usage) far surpasses BSD's ports system. ports was a great start, but it has to go further.
Hyperthreading is an internal feature of the Intel processors. It's alot like the superscalar pipelining introduced earlier on in the Pentium series. (well, hyperthreading isn't, but the transparency is)
Pretty much it just.. "works". No OS changes needed.
have one for you: I would like to use my old dos apps but without using Virtual PC or bochs because I don't like them.
Then don't run a Macintosh if you don't want to run virtualizations of some kind. First off, your running a Unix-like system, and second off your running a completely different architecture. Those two things combined make it impossible to do without either Virtual PC or Bochs. Maybe VMWare if they come out with a OS/X version, but those are your choices.
You understood what he meant, there's no reason for word symantics.
Apple was quite intelligent about their choices. They used the code they had, and improvised in the system kernel in order to achieve a more stable codebase while retaining control over their work. GPL would have forced them to release their code back (all of it) into the community. BSD, however, does not..
They do give code back to the community, however they have a choice as to what they release.
Or just use Logical Volume Management...
I consider it alot simpler.. one physical partition to boot from, one physical partition your going to split up, and your done with "partitioning". The rest is as easy as creating whatever logical drives you want inside of LVM.
Wonder, does *BSD have that, yet?
Its called progress and makes computers more accessible to the rest of us who just want to sit down and get our work done, not become computer experts.
When you say "us", please say what you really mean.. you. Just because it's in a GUI doesn't mean it's easier, it's just prettier. Let's try to keep things in perspective, please.
FreeBSD's installer is very intuitive. (Well, except for the first screen, which needs to be read first to be understood) It's ncurses, but it's menu-based. It also leads to not requiring 64 megs of ram just to run the installer.
It would be different if we were talking about something that Joe Blow is going to install, but this is *BSD we're talking about. You have to have at least an ounce of common sense to use it.. and I consider the installer to be a litmus test of that, in a way.
Is it just me or is quidditch one of the stupidest sports ever imagined?
Nah.. that would be (American) football.
At least there is more to Quidditch than beating the hell out of the other team, while trying to run a ball to their sides goal.
Snitches, Beaters, the whole deal... it is multi-faceted. Pretty good for something that was just thought up in someones head, imho.
Yes.. what better way to show the p0w/-\r of 3l33t hax0r skillz than opening wine to run notepad :)
Why am I posting as an anonymous coward from a public library? Because there are obviously reasons to be afraid.
:)
Haven't read the recent news, have you? Libraries are being bugged now.
It really does no good, unless your going through an anonymous proxy of some form.
You might not believe what he says, but he's mostly right. America is more obsessed with trying to keep things running the way it used to be (and finding ways to make MORE money), along with keeping people in line in order to string their pockets directly into certain bank accounts.
When you have 90~95% of people using IE, why should your congress(wo)man have her staff spend their time testing the site with every freeware/OSS/weirdo browser.
:)
If there aren't many people using these "wierd" browsers, then there isn't much to worry about now is there? I think contrary to your belief, the world uses more than IE. I seriously doubt that 90% of the world uses IE, as evidenced by the use of Netscape, Opera, Mozilla, and other browsers.
Aside from that, they all share one thing: standards. Don't follow them, and well... you don't have any credibility in this world as a tech worker. I don't care if you call them MS extensions or not, if you are offering a public service as a government worker you need to use standards so that the entire country can use it, not just your IE constituents.
There's no reason she should even take comments through an online form. There are many other channels, that worked perfectly well for hundreds of years before the internet to contact your elected officials. So really, be thankful there is any online form at all, and, if you really don't like it, write a letter
Oh please, stop with the elitist mentality.
Any measure of communication is sufficient, and it is the job of our government personnel to use the channels of communication to stay open to the constituents.
The only reason regular postal mail is more prevalant currently is because mail has been around longer than the Internet. I'm sure 30-40 years this thought pattern will be extinct... thank god.
Believe it or not, but I had this issue once at Best Buy. I bought an item (I can't exactly remember what it was, it was a couple of years back) and I couldn't use it.. I think it was a CD, or a Playstation game. Anyway, the first time was all dandy. The second time, obviously the person knew I was a repeat because the reciept is exchanged on the first, and another receipt is given to you saying "Exchanged". I was given very dirty looks, and made to wait a while. Third time, I was starting to get pretty upset considering it was a complete waste of my time.
The manager was brought into it, and he told me that he would exchange it this one last time, and if it didn't work after that I was going to have to contact the manufacturer of the device. (the player, not the disc) I looked at him with a crossed look, like what the hell do you take me for, an idiot? I told him that I have 20 others that are fine, and this ONE does not work. But, he was adiment about it. Luckily, the 3rd time was a charm and I didn't have to return, but I was just wondering what my recourse would have been if the 3rd one didn't work...
I'm sure the consumer will realize that the 10 other cds that they have play on the cd player, and the BMG cd will not. Logical deduction what is at fault, even after they clean it 5 times.
Nice change from the earlier days (like, any time before today) where Microsoft did that.
No matter what happens Microsoft will appeal to the Supreme Court. That will drag everything on even longer, and be exactly how Microsoft has handled all their dealings. Drag it out until it doesn't matter that much whatever happens.
Almost reminds ya of a saved game on the last level of a game.. you just keep banging at it, dieing, retrying, dieing.. until you finally get it.
Same thing happend with ATT, a direct result of which was the emergence of the Internet.
But the ATT breakup happened in the 80's, and not the mid-to-late 60's when the 'net was emerging.
>a complete grasp of USB
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2.4 since the turn of the millenium. Sorry you're so out of the loop.
I think he/she was talking about drivers, and not the USB subsystem. Sure, there are printer abilities, but try picking up a webcam at your local walmart without skowering hardware compatibility lists that are so scattered it's rediculous. I love Linux, don't get me wrong.. I use it as my primary desktop (well, I use windows for USB camera and gaming, that's it) and I have explored the USB functionality. Subsystems great! Now we need drivers
Furthermore, even if an engine like google didn't get the link from the toolbar, it could still get it from someones refererlogs.
Alright, let's not get all wild and draw our guns, shooting into tha air because we think we know everything. If you are referring to logging, that is almost always (unless the person is a DIMWIT) kept in another directory completely out of the access of the web server. (DocumentRoot) If there are other logs, well that is the fault of the webmaster for not using another directory that is protected from browsing for the logs. (again, out of the DocumentRoot) I have done this alot with Perl scripts, and it's not that hard.
What a lot people dont seem to realise, is that the google toolbar [google.com] is allowed [google.com] (but apparently doesn't [webmasterworld.com]) to send back the URLs you visit, and toolbars (like alexa) and spyware do send back URLs you visit for indexing.
It all goes back to proper business practices, and informing your customers of what you are doing firsthand in order to keep trust.
Sure, I imagine the google toolbar has the ability to do just about damn near anything it wants within the permissions of the browser.. because it's actually attached to the browser. Just the same as I expect my browser not to clear our my entire C partition because "it can". (
Or getting a copy of Windows 95 before Microsoft OK'ed the sale of it on that ambitious advertising campaign! HA!