With online storage, online music and videos maybe we will not need that big disks and just enjoy fast silent SSDs.
The last thing I want is my I/O being limited by my cable modem/DSL, Also, the second to last thing I want to do is rely upon a business to continue to exist so my data remains intact. "We regret to inform you that XYZ data services discontinued business today due to unforeseen financial issues. Thank you for your understanding." or better yet (and this has happened to me)... "We regret to inform you that XYZ server had hardware failures which effected all data contained. Due to the subtle nature of the problem, all data on backups is corrupt. Thank you for understanding."
I'm sorry, but I'd sooner rely upon my local storage (or something remote but under MY control). If you haven't learned by now you will someday, you can never fully rely upon another individual or business for something you fully rely upon.
It's just people making assumptions that everything will remain the same.
Hell, even *I* realize that by the time I'm elderly, computers will no longer have harddrives. Then again, by that time we might even find a way to have data centers compacted into small bedroom size.
People buy android based devices because it is considered "hip" amongst geeks as much as "selfish elites" do it with apple products.
I'll admit there's a a large minority of people that do that. However, the upside, and primary reason for the product in the first place, is a non-proprietary operating system on the phone.
That sums it up. The rest has always been, "We have a phone with our OS on it, whatever runs on it has to in some way be certified by us and run tyrough a counsel of every provider to find a way to milk some money out of you for using that application."
It's actually quite humorous that you choose to attempt to retort with something that has obvious reasons aside from prettiness. It's pretty, but that's icing on the cake. You can get rid of applications on android... quite easily. The primary reason why you buy the phone in the beginning allows you to do it.... in one way or another. The price of the most expensive Android I've seen is the Nexus One and that was ~$500. An iPhone 4G runs MSRP ~$600.
although a netbook might have worked for that the battery I don't think would have lasted the many hours she was using it, and of course it would be pretty awkward to use a netbook standing in line.
Stock batteries on netbooks need to be replaced almost instantly with non-stock ones to last the nominal 9-12 hours. I did it with 2 of mine so far. As far as using any computer while standing in line... carrying something around in your arms constantly is awkward enough, which is why I carry a backpack. (not a student...) At that point, booting a netbook during a situation such as that is not awkward since I've done it before. The fact that I have a wifi router connection through my cell phone means no need for yet *another* $30+ 3G wifi plan.
It's all semantics. I guess the point is, if it makes a person happy and they can afford it, then it's the answer. It boils down now to 'we agree to disagree'..
and I volunteer every week and give away a portion of each (meager) paycheck.
You're not poor. The "poor" category could not volunteer any time (unless unemployed) and DEFINITELY could not let go of a penny of their paycheck. The fact that you have an iPad and bought it, along with contemplating an android-based phone, means you have disposable income. Perhaps not a lot, but it's there.
You are what most people refer to as 'low income'. Other's would simply refer to you as a student.
Expensive luxury products are bought by people with lots of money who want luxury for themselves. This probably goes for quite nearly all apple products.
In this case, quite a few people who fit in the category of "people with lots of money" (which is subjective since the item is less than $1,000) yet refuse to buy it for moral reasons. The main question to ask for most of those people is, "What's to gain?"
Yes, morals stretch far beyond doing what you've been told to do early in life and having it embedded in your conscience.
Once these networks get saturated, you'll start to see providers like AT&T replacing unlimited plans with plans that charge per GB.
Well, currently, I'm paying $29 extra for data, so I'm already paying ~$5.80/Gb. Remember, most have a 5Gb cap limit on the "unlimited" plans.
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Because most are criminals and root the phone to steal tethering and violate the TOS?
Motorola == hardware manufacturer Motorola != Cell service provider
The only TOS Motorola has is in relation to the phone hardware. That mentality died in the llate 80's early 90's... it's not an assumed criminal activity if you want access to custom phone software.
It's a touchy subject anyway, as you have activated an unlimited data plan with a 5Gb limit (unlimited.. 5gb limit... self defeating)... why pay for the ability to use it after you've paid to have it?
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My goal is to remain as open as possible, while still remaining within the realm of new technologies. This is the reason I went with the HD2. Right now it's Windows, but it has a sweet hardware setup and a big ass screen, with lots of people chugging away on Android for it. The Winmobile seems good enough to get me by until Android is nice and stable on that platform... and until that point I can flash it with as many variations of Winmobile as I wish, along with Ubuntu if I want.
Jail breaking is something that needs to go the way of BeOS... Any phone that requires jailbreaking just isn't purchased by me.
Let me put this into math for you so it's not just "nuh uh!" as you did.
T-Mobile example HTC HD2 - $449 MSRP or $199 with 2-year contract ($250 floating in the air at this point)
Typical medium plan: 1000 minute/unlimited web/unlimited text - no contract: $69.99 2-year contract: $99.99
Over 2 years, the difference between no-contract and a 2-year contract is $720. ($30 * 24 months)
Even if I bought my phone brand spanking new MSRP from T-Mobile, I'd be saving ~$270 over 2 years. The fact that I bought the phone used for $290 (4 days old, wasn't his thing) means that I've saved $430 over 2 years.
Even if my phone doesn't work for 2 years, I can still buy another and either come out even or better.
The flexibility is above all the reason I do it... if I lose my job and heaven forbid I can no longer afford my phone (6+ months of unemployment does that...) I can disconnect it without paying $200-$300 in cancellation fees. I can also just switch a phone as I need, no worries.
I'm slumming on T-Mobile, and if this is slumming then call me homeless. Hella better than Verizon with customer service, features, and choices. The price is the reason I switched, and the rest sold me.
Yes, but that's with every phone. It's piecemeal and you have to think and make decisions. The problem is, most people don't like decisions and they like neatly packaged "solutions". That being said, I have that T-Mobile plan you spoke of;)
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither. We had a Texan in office at one of the most emotionally disturbing activities to occur on American soil in 50+ years... it was almost like a bomb with a hair trigger, and poof.
It's no longer a democracy, unfortunately. It's parliament at the circus. A thinly covered corporate veil, as well. Whenever a government activity is hindered because it could effect the bottom line of a company, it's just readily apparent.
Interviewer: "It seems on your resume that there is a time period of uncertain activity. What were you doing for the last 3 years?" Interviewee: "Government work"
The thing that scares me about it is, how do you interview for such a position? It really reminds me of when I was 21-22 years old and the FBI (not CIA since that was for offshore stuff at that time) would cuff you and interrogate BBS owners if they were suspected of anything more than owning a computer... even then you were suspect. I've had BBS sysops I was friends with (locally) that were ransacked by the FBI, and their items held in custody indefinitely... all over fabricated things so they could search the equipment. Of course nothing ever was pinned on any of them except for one who was an idiot and did Warez on an open system. The rest were just sysops with no illegal tendencies.
Scared the shit out of me when I was learning C back then and saw all of the rules the feds had in effect that were mixed and mashed when it came to computer activities. A lot of archaic rules that were hypocritical of current rules and they overlapped instead of one taking precedence.
One reason I encrypted my entire harddisk and downloaded as many docs as I could off of the 'net at that time... before the feds realized "that thar intARwEb" had info. This was before the browser, of course...
Check out the 80's and 90's. Pointing it out to you piecemeal is about like pointing out dead bodies on a battlefield. Unless your 18 years old, I'm sure you remember SOMETHING from those "ancient" years 10-20 years ago.
As a side question to all you hikers from the civilized world, do you guys have "kilo-stones" or whatever? Seriously? I wouldn't doubt it... it's just a number. Whatever the culture of a region deems a tool is a tool, is my guess.
I agree... although I wonder how much resentment from the community is effecting the ultimate bottomline of anything new. Pavlovian conditioning has taught people that Microsoft = drawing you in to cook you slowly. Once you're out of the pot a couple of times, you learn that pots are bad. Unfortunately, corporations are a little slow, but people are far more pocket-conscious.
Let's hope they don't go the route of RIM and basically make it so anything cool on the phone required a Blackberry Enterprise server, which licensed your ass. Nearly everything aside from browsing required a BES. I guess in MS's case, it'd be Microsoft Enterprise Server, just to be original;)
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With online storage, online music and videos maybe we will not need that big disks and just enjoy fast silent SSDs.
The last thing I want is my I/O being limited by my cable modem/DSL,
Also, the second to last thing I want to do is rely upon a business to continue to exist so my data remains intact.
"We regret to inform you that XYZ data services discontinued business today due to unforeseen financial issues. Thank you for your understanding."
or better yet (and this has happened to me)...
"We regret to inform you that XYZ server had hardware failures which effected all data contained. Due to the subtle nature of the problem, all data on backups is corrupt. Thank you for understanding."
I'm sorry, but I'd sooner rely upon my local storage (or something remote but under MY control). If you haven't learned by now you will someday, you can never fully rely upon another individual or business for something you fully rely upon.
It's just people making assumptions that everything will remain the same.
Hell, even *I* realize that by the time I'm elderly, computers will no longer have harddrives.
Then again, by that time we might even find a way to have data centers compacted into small bedroom size.
As much as I love the concept of SSD and it's speed and resilience, the only "sign of failure" is outright failure.
People buy android based devices because it is considered "hip" amongst geeks as much as "selfish elites" do it with apple products.
I'll admit there's a a large minority of people that do that. However, the upside, and primary reason for the product in the first place, is a non-proprietary operating system on the phone.
That sums it up. The rest has always been, "We have a phone with our OS on it, whatever runs on it has to in some way be certified by us and run tyrough a counsel of every provider to find a way to milk some money out of you for using that application."
It's actually quite humorous that you choose to attempt to retort with something that has obvious reasons aside from prettiness. It's pretty, but that's icing on the cake. You can get rid of applications on android... quite easily. The primary reason why you buy the phone in the beginning allows you to do it.... in one way or another.
The price of the most expensive Android I've seen is the Nexus One and that was ~$500. An iPhone 4G runs MSRP ~$600.
although a netbook might have worked for that the battery I don't think would have lasted the many hours she was using it, and of course it would be pretty awkward to use a netbook standing in line.
Stock batteries on netbooks need to be replaced almost instantly with non-stock ones to last the nominal 9-12 hours. I did it with 2 of mine so far.
As far as using any computer while standing in line... carrying something around in your arms constantly is awkward enough, which is why I carry a backpack. (not a student...) At that point, booting a netbook during a situation such as that is not awkward since I've done it before. The fact that I have a wifi router connection through my cell phone means no need for yet *another* $30+ 3G wifi plan.
It's all semantics. I guess the point is, if it makes a person happy and they can afford it, then it's the answer. It boils down now to 'we agree to disagree'..
He said he can do things he couldn't do before.
That implies new.
and I volunteer every week and give away a portion of each (meager) paycheck.
You're not poor. The "poor" category could not volunteer any time (unless unemployed) and DEFINITELY could not let go of a penny of their paycheck. The fact that you have an iPad and bought it, along with contemplating an android-based phone, means you have disposable income. Perhaps not a lot, but it's there.
You are what most people refer to as 'low income'. Other's would simply refer to you as a student.
Expensive luxury products are bought by people with lots of money who want luxury for themselves. This probably goes for quite nearly all apple products.
In this case, quite a few people who fit in the category of "people with lots of money" (which is subjective since the item is less than $1,000) yet refuse to buy it for moral reasons. The main question to ask for most of those people is, "What's to gain?"
Yes, morals stretch far beyond doing what you've been told to do early in life and having it embedded in your conscience.
Once these networks get saturated, you'll start to see providers like AT&T replacing unlimited plans with plans that charge per GB.
Well, currently, I'm paying $29 extra for data, so I'm already paying ~$5.80/Gb. Remember, most have a 5Gb cap limit on the "unlimited" plans.
Because most are criminals and root the phone to steal tethering and violate the TOS?
Motorola == hardware manufacturer
Motorola != Cell service provider
The only TOS Motorola has is in relation to the phone hardware.
That mentality died in the llate 80's early 90's... it's not an assumed criminal activity if you want access to custom phone software.
It's a touchy subject anyway, as you have activated an unlimited data plan with a 5Gb limit (unlimited.. 5gb limit... self defeating)... why pay for the ability to use it after you've paid to have it?
My goal is to remain as open as possible, while still remaining within the realm of new technologies.
This is the reason I went with the HD2. Right now it's Windows, but it has a sweet hardware setup and a big ass screen, with lots of people chugging away on Android for it. The Winmobile seems good enough to get me by until Android is nice and stable on that platform... and until that point I can flash it with as many variations of Winmobile as I wish, along with Ubuntu if I want.
Jail breaking is something that needs to go the way of BeOS... Any phone that requires jailbreaking just isn't purchased by me.
Let me put this into math for you so it's not just "nuh uh!" as you did.
T-Mobile example
HTC HD2 - $449 MSRP or $199 with 2-year contract ($250 floating in the air at this point)
Typical medium plan:
1000 minute/unlimited web/unlimited text - no contract: $69.99 2-year contract: $99.99
Over 2 years, the difference between no-contract and a 2-year contract is $720. ($30 * 24 months)
Even if I bought my phone brand spanking new MSRP from T-Mobile, I'd be saving ~$270 over 2 years.
The fact that I bought the phone used for $290 (4 days old, wasn't his thing) means that I've saved $430 over 2 years.
Even if my phone doesn't work for 2 years, I can still buy another and either come out even or better.
The flexibility is above all the reason I do it... if I lose my job and heaven forbid I can no longer afford my phone (6+ months of unemployment does that...) I can disconnect it without paying $200-$300 in cancellation fees. I can also just switch a phone as I need, no worries.
I'm slumming on T-Mobile, and if this is slumming then call me homeless.
Hella better than Verizon with customer service, features, and choices.
The price is the reason I switched, and the rest sold me.
Not with T-Mobile. Go look at their site.
Yes, but that's with every phone. ;)
It's piecemeal and you have to think and make decisions. The problem is, most people don't like decisions and they like neatly packaged "solutions".
That being said, I have that T-Mobile plan you spoke of
I wouldn't call that censorship.. that's fixing a political advertisement.
Also, Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
I don't think Chinese people want to be called Asian-Americans. That smacks of potential takeover...
Guess a google employee got his mod points today. Truth hurt, sparky?
You realize you're responding to yourself, and calling yourself sparky, right?
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
We had a Texan in office at one of the most emotionally disturbing activities to occur on American soil in 50+ years... it was almost like a bomb with a hair trigger, and poof.
It's no longer a democracy, unfortunately. It's parliament at the circus. A thinly covered corporate veil, as well. Whenever a government activity is hindered because it could effect the bottom line of a company, it's just readily apparent.
Interviewer: "It seems on your resume that there is a time period of uncertain activity. What were you doing for the last 3 years?"
Interviewee: "Government work"
It's hard to hire bright people who can hack systems, when they want them to be law abiding citizens as they hire them.
*boggle*
The thing that scares me about it is, how do you interview for such a position? It really reminds me of when I was 21-22 years old and the FBI (not CIA since that was for offshore stuff at that time) would cuff you and interrogate BBS owners if they were suspected of anything more than owning a computer... even then you were suspect. I've had BBS sysops I was friends with (locally) that were ransacked by the FBI, and their items held in custody indefinitely... all over fabricated things so they could search the equipment. Of course nothing ever was pinned on any of them except for one who was an idiot and did Warez on an open system. The rest were just sysops with no illegal tendencies.
Scared the shit out of me when I was learning C back then and saw all of the rules the feds had in effect that were mixed and mashed when it came to computer activities. A lot of archaic rules that were hypocritical of current rules and they overlapped instead of one taking precedence.
One reason I encrypted my entire harddisk and downloaded as many docs as I could off of the 'net at that time... before the feds realized "that thar intARwEb" had info.
This was before the browser, of course...
Check out the 80's and 90's. Pointing it out to you piecemeal is about like pointing out dead bodies on a battlefield.
Unless your 18 years old, I'm sure you remember SOMETHING from those "ancient" years 10-20 years ago.
As a side question to all you hikers from the civilized world, do you guys have "kilo-stones" or whatever? Seriously?
I wouldn't doubt it... it's just a number.
Whatever the culture of a region deems a tool is a tool, is my guess.
I agree... although I wonder how much resentment from the community is effecting the ultimate bottomline of anything new.
Pavlovian conditioning has taught people that Microsoft = drawing you in to cook you slowly.
Once you're out of the pot a couple of times, you learn that pots are bad. Unfortunately, corporations are a little slow, but people are far more pocket-conscious.
Let's hope they don't go the route of RIM and basically make it so anything cool on the phone required a Blackberry Enterprise server, which licensed your ass. ;)
Nearly everything aside from browsing required a BES.
I guess in MS's case, it'd be Microsoft Enterprise Server, just to be original