The world really does contain a very, very large number of petty-minded, truly dangerous, downright bad, rotten-to-the-core people.
really? you see, i've seen the contrary, but maybe i've lived a sheltered life, travelled as i have and lived in Japan, the U.S., Australia, and all over Europe...
The number of simple-minded, utterly safe, downright good, well-meaning people in the world, who just want to get on with living a good life together with each other, is far greater than the few weapons-makers who would cause trouble for the rest of us...
I never advocated turning 'swords into garden hoes', but I am advocating spending more on garden hoes than on swords, something the U.S. seems incapable, technically _and_ technologically, of doing...
you know, i would have to say that i've met a few american individuals who weren't meddling assholes, but that was a very few... it really appears to have become a cultural meme common to the U.S. point of view.
honest, i've been all over the world, and i've lived in the States and travelled all over it, and i still maintain this view. it is not un-tested or invalid, in my world.
of course, you can justify American meddling a million ways to Mars (and probably even there too), but Americans generally seem pretty ignorant of how grown up the rest of the world is, in places... and how little of it is actually needed...
People all over the world are the same. Get used to the idea. You will encounter it again.
I find it ignorant of you to presume that I wouldn't already know that, and that in fact it may be the reason for my point of view...
But then, I too am as ignorant as any other, and I suppose... because everyone else is... I should just stop having my own little, un-unique point of view...
Let's reword it again: take two children of Sunni origin and two children of Shi'ite origin and strip them of their identities, then brainwash them with the ideology of my choosing.
Coca Cola is brainwashing.
Would it really be brainwashing if its their parents who are teaching it? Don't we keep hearing about all these Iraqi's with 6 children, some brother-in-law-in-jail with 12 siblings, etc? Shouldn't those people be given the things they need to prosper, instead of weapons?
If I were a total stranger doing this, yes, I suppose it would be brainwashing.
But if my corporate goal in life was to produce tools and give it to the people in the area to better their lives, and if those people then taught their children not to use weapons, and instead participate in the construction of better society for all, wouldn't that be a pretty fine investment of a few $Million, just some of a $Trillion National Debt line item?
Why isn't there a "Peace, Inc.", and why haven't any governments done anything to create a market for such a thing?
yeah, okay, now that is british, and there is nothing better than british pride (even butter)... and it is exactly this british bulldog pride which allows english media its effervescent grip on the british consciousness.
BBC is corrupt-o-mondo, dude. give up bein' proud about it. the global world media order is upon us... and the beeb is just as complicit as CNN... and all those other media-sharing TLA's...
Not what the adults are, or are not. You put them in the desert, you get them working together; and they forget the divide between them.
Look, if someone gave me $50,000,000 and said go and do something about the problems of the world, I'd go find the scummiest neighborhood ratbags in the poorest village in the word, and I would start a rock band.
Does that make more sense?
We, adults, responsible for the condition of the world, must stop teaching our kids to kill in order to solve their problems.
umm... yeah... nobody is advocating leaving kids alone in the desert sands to do as they please. if that were the 'only' way it would be, then what then is an adult?
put 2 kids from 'both sides' in a desert, with some adults whose sole purpose is to help, and some house-making equipment, and then see...
The story of Saddam Hussein involves more than one or two Americans. Taliban too, and you may as well include "al Q'Aeda" (or, "the base") in that story as well.
America is good at making enemies. Ha!
Another thing Americans are good at is propaganda, and irresponsibility...
Obviously you've never watched a lot of the BBC News output, otherwise you'd know that's one of the most pig-ignorant statements made on Slashdot for a while
I don't think "ignorant" means what you think it means. Ignorant is thinking that the BBC is 'above' any sort of corporate corruption... whereas nothing could be further from the truth.
The BBC have their masters, believe me...
I'll think you'll find with this, is that once a large group of people can self-sustain their communities, tensions often INCREASE as they start to look enviously at someone else's self-sustaining community.
My point is that if you give people the tools they need to work for themselves and improve their own conditions, then they are less likely to become jealous over the 'haves' over in the other village, and are more likely to expend the energy normally utilized in warfare for more productive, creative means.
How else can you explain the Western world, and its peaceful cities? Oh, before you go off on the "Western World Oil Hunger Wars" tangent, lets just acknowledge that there are far more western communities who are _NOT_ waging war than there are currently engaged in fierce battle"... and the difference is that these communities and cities and regions are able to fend for themselves, using technology designed and developed specifically for the job of promoting civilization, not defeating it.
Power grids, water control, irrigation, agriculture - all of these realms would just as easily benefit from the same application of technology and investment of funds and resources as any "8-million rounds per minute" gun system...
Give a man a shovel, and he can till the field. Give him a gun, and all he can do is kill.
Okay, lets re-word it... take two children of Sunni origin, and two children of Shi'ite origin, and teach them to make things together that are good for all in the surrounding area.
I'm talking about machines that pump out houses and water and bricks... not machines that pump out lead and death and misery.
Its possible to use the utterly horrifying technology of the weapon-makers for peaceful means.
All it takes is someone saying "lets do it, lets make machines that only have peaceful purposes" in spite of all the people who say "it can't be done, it won't work, we MUST fight war".
People like me, eh? I haven't started any genocidal wars, not that I can remember.
You've done nothing but justify war the entire thread. Those who can find an infinite # of ways to justify war are the ones who are letting it happen...
The problem with liberals like you is that you assume that people are fundamentally cooperative and sane, if only the nasty Warmongers (or Americans or Jews or Capitalists or whoever you blame) would go away, the world would return to Eden-like bliss. My advice to you is to grow up a bit.
The problem with people like you is you seem to think its okay to just let entropy have its way with our race. Where is the love?
While the BBC's bias is well documented, it is AGAINST multinational corporations. To suggest that the BBC is in league with them is, frankly, ludicrous.
Uh huh. Yup. You know whats ludicrous? The fact that anyone puts any faith in the BBC providing fair and balanced reporting on the subject of mass-genocide.
Millitants get their arms from somewhere. They get their trucks from somewhere. They get their gas and machetes' from somewhere. You know which multi-national corporation has the biggest weapons cache in South Africa?
I'll give you a hint... you won't find out about it on the BBC website.
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The world really does contain a very, very large number of petty-minded, truly dangerous, downright bad, rotten-to-the-core people.
...
really? you see, i've seen the contrary, but maybe i've lived a sheltered life, travelled as i have and lived in Japan, the U.S., Australia, and all over Europe...
The number of simple-minded, utterly safe, downright good, well-meaning people in the world, who just want to get on with living a good life together with each other, is far greater than the few weapons-makers who would cause trouble for the rest of us...
I never advocated turning 'swords into garden hoes', but I am advocating spending more on garden hoes than on swords, something the U.S. seems incapable, technically _and_ technologically, of doing
or how about
... not as individuals necessarily ...
... it really appears to have become a cultural meme common to the U.S. point of view.
... and how little of it is actually needed ...
you know, i would have to say that i've met a few american individuals who weren't meddling assholes, but that was a very few
honest, i've been all over the world, and i've lived in the States and travelled all over it, and i still maintain this view. it is not un-tested or invalid, in my world.
of course, you can justify American meddling a million ways to Mars (and probably even there too), but Americans generally seem pretty ignorant of how grown up the rest of the world is, in places
People all over the world are the same. Get used to the idea. You will encounter it again.
... because everyone else is ... I should just stop having my own little, un-unique point of view ...
I find it ignorant of you to presume that I wouldn't already know that, and that in fact it may be the reason for my point of view...
But then, I too am as ignorant as any other, and I suppose
Let's reword it again: take two children of Sunni origin and two children of Shi'ite origin and strip them of their identities, then brainwash them with the ideology of my choosing.
Coca Cola is brainwashing.
Would it really be brainwashing if its their parents who are teaching it? Don't we keep hearing about all these Iraqi's with 6 children, some brother-in-law-in-jail with 12 siblings, etc? Shouldn't those people be given the things they need to prosper, instead of weapons?
If I were a total stranger doing this, yes, I suppose it would be brainwashing.
But if my corporate goal in life was to produce tools and give it to the people in the area to better their lives, and if those people then taught their children not to use weapons, and instead participate in the construction of better society for all, wouldn't that be a pretty fine investment of a few $Million, just some of a $Trillion National Debt line item?
Why isn't there a "Peace, Inc.", and why haven't any governments done anything to create a market for such a thing?
... won't be lectured on it ...
... and it is exactly this british bulldog pride which allows english media its effervescent grip on the british consciousness.
... and the beeb is just as complicit as CNN ... and all those other media-sharing TLA's ...
yeah, okay, now that is british, and there is nothing better than british pride (even butter)
BBC is corrupt-o-mondo, dude. give up bein' proud about it. the global world media order is upon us
No, you fool.
It is about those children.
Not what the adults are, or are not. You put them in the desert, you get them working together; and they forget the divide between them.
Look, if someone gave me $50,000,000 and said go and do something about the problems of the world, I'd go find the scummiest neighborhood ratbags in the poorest village in the word, and I would start a rock band.
Does that make more sense?
We, adults, responsible for the condition of the world, must stop teaching our kids to kill in order to solve their problems.
Defense does not always involve weapons, nor should the use of weapons for defense be the first choice of tool in the solving of the problem...
yeah yeah ... i hope it gets to that ... i truly hope it does ...
"some dictator"? yeah, thats right ... maybe we should also be scared of space aliens as well, eh?
the thing about weapons makers is that they are in the same league as dictators. you can't have one without the other.
weapon == dictator.
You're naivete on human nature would be sad if it didn't result in people getting killed.
... nobody gets killed by talking about different approaches to peaceful living.
eh? what? hellooo-ooo
your way: killing things.
my way: not killing things.
big deal! no need to give me a free psychological evaluation over it! sheesh. antagonist!
bah. what do you think an sl-6000 is?
oh, i guess you mean you're excited about the x86 part... feh...
umm ... yeah ... nobody is advocating leaving kids alone in the desert sands to do as they please. if that were the 'only' way it would be, then what then is an adult?
...
put 2 kids from 'both sides' in a desert, with some adults whose sole purpose is to help, and some house-making equipment, and then see
"Smashing Enemies", eh?
The story of Saddam Hussein involves more than one or two Americans. Taliban too, and you may as well include "al Q'Aeda" (or, "the base") in that story as well.
America is good at making enemies. Ha!
Another thing Americans are good at is propaganda, and irresponsibility...
by americans, i have been called a 'fascist', a 'commie', a 'pinko', a 'terrorist', a 'leftie pig', an 'ignorant green', and now .. finally ...
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a froggie.
cool.
what is it about americans and their hastiness to label things in derogatory ways? it seems to give them something they need in order to fight
Obviously you've never watched a lot of the BBC News output, otherwise you'd know that's one of the most pig-ignorant statements made on Slashdot for a while
... whereas nothing could be further from the truth.
...
... and the difference is that these communities and cities and regions are able to fend for themselves, using technology designed and developed specifically for the job of promoting civilization, not defeating it.
...
I don't think "ignorant" means what you think it means. Ignorant is thinking that the BBC is 'above' any sort of corporate corruption
The BBC have their masters, believe me
I'll think you'll find with this, is that once a large group of people can self-sustain their communities, tensions often INCREASE as they start to look enviously at someone else's self-sustaining community.
My point is that if you give people the tools they need to work for themselves and improve their own conditions, then they are less likely to become jealous over the 'haves' over in the other village, and are more likely to expend the energy normally utilized in warfare for more productive, creative means.
How else can you explain the Western world, and its peaceful cities? Oh, before you go off on the "Western World Oil Hunger Wars" tangent, lets just acknowledge that there are far more western communities who are _NOT_ waging war than there are currently engaged in fierce battle"
Power grids, water control, irrigation, agriculture - all of these realms would just as easily benefit from the same application of technology and investment of funds and resources as any "8-million rounds per minute" gun system
Give a man a shovel, and he can till the field. Give him a gun, and all he can do is kill.
My point exactly.
Okay, lets re-word it... take two children of Sunni origin, and two children of Shi'ite origin, and teach them to make things together that are good for all in the surrounding area.
Fascists, Islamists, Religious Zealots, whatever. Give them a label and then smash them into the ground.
... so I won't argue.
I guess its the only thing you and your 'state' are good at
Love - for God, for country, for leader, whatever - is a primary cause of war.
LOVE == WAR. DOUBLEPLUSGOOD, CITIZEN!
1. What if the people you kill aren't actually fascists, but you label them that way just so that you can get away with it?
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2. Your government is criminal and repressive. By default then, so are you.
3. Your post is now bookmarked as a prime example of yet another robo-Consumerican spouting vitriol and hatred
Read the thread, Mr. Smartie.
... not machines that pump out lead and death and misery.
I'm talking about machines that pump out houses and water and bricks
Its possible to use the utterly horrifying technology of the weapon-makers for peaceful means.
All it takes is someone saying "lets do it, lets make machines that only have peaceful purposes" in spite of all the people who say "it can't be done, it won't work, we MUST fight war".
'projection'? I think the only projection around here is the very little one you get in your pants whenever you think of war machines ...
People like me, eh? I haven't started any genocidal wars, not that I can remember.
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You've done nothing but justify war the entire thread. Those who can find an infinite # of ways to justify war are the ones who are letting it happen
The problem with liberals like you is that you assume that people are fundamentally cooperative and sane, if only the nasty Warmongers (or Americans or Jews or Capitalists or whoever you blame) would go away, the world would return to Eden-like bliss. My advice to you is to grow up a bit.
The problem with people like you is you seem to think its okay to just let entropy have its way with our race. Where is the love?
Rubbish. Thats the sort of close-minded thinking that results in assholes getting away with bombing the shit out of civilians.
Give me the device, and I'll take it there, and make peace with it.
I can't freakin' believe that people can't see how a weapon is a device of war, yet there are so many devices FOR peace that remain un-made...
While the BBC's bias is well documented, it is AGAINST multinational corporations. To suggest that the BBC is in league with them is, frankly, ludicrous.
... you won't find out about it on the BBC website.
Uh huh. Yup. You know whats ludicrous? The fact that anyone puts any faith in the BBC providing fair and balanced reporting on the subject of mass-genocide.
Millitants get their arms from somewhere. They get their trucks from somewhere. They get their gas and machetes' from somewhere. You know which multi-national corporation has the biggest weapons cache in South Africa?
I'll give you a hint