Do you know what Sunnis and Shi'ites are fighting over?
Take two Sunni children and two Shi'ite children, give them a mud-making machine away from all the adults, and show them how to work together to make houses for all the lepers in the neighborhood.
There. Peace.
But no... because there are people like you in the world who serve only to justify inhumanity, not do something about it... we get gun-makers arming teenagers.
The U.S. is guilty of more war crimes than any other state.
Period.
The U.S. refuses to live up to its ratification of the ICC, because half of the existing Administration would go straight to Jail, would not collect $200, and would not pass Go...
Dick Cheney == biggest war criminal of the 21st Century.
Highway of Death incident, anyone? (It was his order...)
Most Americans do not have the courage to confront the fact that their country is being run by known and wanted criminals.
Alas, the conversion of American to Consumerican has been completed successfully, and the elite get their way no matter what...
horse shit. the rwandan's are fighting each other over resources. rwanda has tons of natural gas and oil reserves, and the people who are fomenting this violence (i.e. those behind the curtain... i.e. congolmerates such as British Petroleum) know that having strife such as this going on is better than having a unified set of tribes with a political system that is uncontrollable by foreign interests.
don't always believe what BBC has to say about things... they are as guilty as any other major corporation of corrupting reality to serve their own purposes.
if you give -any- large group of people sufficient means to self-sustain their communities, and make those means available to all and sundry, you will reduce tensions in the area.
every single conflict going on between any two groups of people is created. it doesn't 'just happen'. give people technology to avoid this creation, and they will... nobody 'wants' death.
the fact that all these freakin' weapons makers (any man who makes a weapon is an Enemy of Man) could instead be making fresh-water pumps and road-making machines, but aren't, simply means that their intentions are not to prevent war, but to prolong it...
give a man a gun, and all he can do is kill with it. give a man a pump, and he can keep his village alive...
It would be far better to spend all this money on giving people less reason to fight each other.
Say, better resource control in Mozambique (water)? What about building a machine that, instead of pumping out millions of rounds of lead per second, are able to make mud bricks and houses at a rate of 10 a day?
Why isn't this a priority? Simple. The ones in control of the funding are fucking assholes and have all the justification they need to continue bringing misery and death to the world...
It is goddamn scary that a U.S. citizen even has to consider posting information on foreign ground to acheive freedom of speech and press. What has gone so wrong...? Are there no longer visionaries in government
Its quite simple, really. The U.S. government is no longer of the people, or even for the people...
The U.S. Government is of itself, and for itself. This happens with every government, eventually, and it happened to America.
Unless U.S. Citizen do something about their government instead of sitting around on their fat asses becoming Consumericans, then the U.S. Government is going to do whatever the hell it pleases.
no, you're missing the point. the iOpener was a $99 device which really should've cost something like $249... the only reason it was so cheap was because the company was expecting people to subscribe to their ISP services with it... in the end, though, it became a "$99 PC", courtesy of wily hackers...
and hey, its not so freakin' hard to hack an iOpener, or find details on how to do it... there's this web site called 'google', which you might be able to find the URL for if you're really elite... that'll tell you all about it...
I dunno... I've written plenty of Carbon apps for OSX, and none of my users can tell the difference. It all looks like an OSX app to them, I assure you.
Last I looked, though, "plist files" weren't part of the GUI experience, so I can imagine why you're formulating the opinion that "Carbon" != "OSX".
Neither your nor my post were anything other than argument. Big deal.
Geeze man, if you're looking for a fight, you've come to the wrong place. All you'll get around here is weenies with points of view being expressed in a forum that they wouldn't ordinarily be able to express... thats ALL slashdot is good for!
Until space aliens actually do land and ask to be put in touch with our obscure cults, there simply is no reasoning, only conjecture. I think you're just complaining to complain.
Whatever. Carbon works. Its usable. It is actually quite fun to code for Carbon, if you know what you're doing. I don't think it should be discounted as an 'inferior' API, because it just isn't inferior - its different. Personally, I can't stand the candy-coated Cocoa API's, but its a taste thing.
Ultimately though, an Aqua-friendly GTK port is where its at. GTK is great fun, cross-platform, and just as friendly as WTL...
Maybe the Vatican missed a fourth option: they're already here.
Maybe the Vatican are the space aliens...
Personally, I can think of plenty of good Earth-religions for space visitors. Wouldn't it be terrible if they do arrive, and it turns out that our religions are the only thing they're interested in?
Would put all those anti-religion zealots in a different realm, for one. And it could serve to validate the rights of certain 'unpopular' groups to their point of view...
Porting to Carbon would make more sense than porting to Cocoa.
Carbon is a good API if you know it.
Sure, it has its legacy horrid-ness, just like MFC, but a WTL->Carbon translation API/library would be -very- useful, and oddly enough I believe that the similarities between Carbon and WIN32/GDI'ish stuff are such that it would be a relatively easy project to complete. If I weren't already so busy with other projects, I'd have a dig... oh, and I guess I'd have to get myself a Windows box (or VPC image or something)...
Still, in the end, there are already plenty of cross-platform (Linux/OSX/Win32) GUI libs out there, all just as valid and easy to use as WTL, so the only real reason for doing such a cross-platform hack of WTL so it could be compatible with OSX would be to just add another one to the growing pile...
Let the USER decide. If you can't build a package that understands its own paths, and is re-locatable to any location, then its -not- finished, and you shouldn't release it.
Fixed-path installs are brain-dead and only come about as the result of laziness, utter. The user has a ~/Library, a ~/Applications - both of these directories exist, are useful, and will survive backups made by your average user of their home directory./opt is -not- something that someone is going to remember to include in their Toast-based backups easily enough...
Lets let the Consumericans of the future breed their own sub-human slave race for the purposes of 'medicine'. Great idea.
Cloning is one of those situations where you not only cannot and should not ignore the man behind the curtain, but you should take him out of the theatre, kick his ass, and start dating his sister...
In 50 years time, after 'a few years' of industrialized human-breeding for the sake of fashion and medicine, I don't think I'm gonna want to call myself a member of this race.
Yawn. Great, the worlds largest purveyor of electronic slavery now has some new shackles, yay. Damn the technology, its still not gonna give Mr. Couch Potato what he needs to boost the economy...
yeah, tah, that rocks. i'll give it a go one spare weekend. i wonder if it still lets me use the blinkenlights... thats really about the only thing that truly endears me to the bebox... ppc603e's, yeah, okay, would've been good in 1995.
i stand by my request for a bebox-like tiBook though. that'd rock ass.
i'd just be happy to get some sort of linux/*bsd on it somehow... i don't know what version of BeOS i've got on there now, but its not the 'latest-and-greatest', which i fear is only available to me through some sort of "Wayback Machinations" or other... but if there were at least a linux kernel on it, then i could fit it into my other 'port/hack/compile/rewrite' style of sysadmin'stration...
All those years I've slagged off Amiga blow^H^H^H^Hdie-hards, and here am I with a rev-a. BeBox I refuse to part with. I love the damn thing. I never noticed it, but I've got Amigazoids' Disease.
Why, oh why can't someone invent a "Parallel Universe Chunnel" so I can get myself a laptop BeBox. tiBooks come close, but Apple crack is still crack!
Ah well. At least I have something else (the.PDF) to put on my Amig^H^H^H^HBeBox, beautiful and blue though it sits in the corner, gathering dust, as if there's nothing else to do with it...;)
I see no reason why NASA shouldn't be funding programs to take other technologies, from other branches of the government science programs, and continue to refine them by adopting them to space (and thus making them better for us here on Earth).
the point is to use Space to 'catalyze' better Earth technology...
This just goes to show you how pervasive Microsoft is; they're getting to be like Band-Aid and Vaseline - people refer to any adhesive bandange or petroleum jelly (respectively) using these brand names.
I believe, if you look closely and not always brashly at what you see, that Microsoft is a Master at language-control propaganda methods.
Microsoft "Windows", "Word", "Excel", "Passport". They have, using copyright/trademark registration backed up by the full force of the U.S. Government, usurped a significant chunk of the English dictionary and grafted their own contemporary definitions.
The "he inserted microsoft in the socket behind his ear" pun of Gibson&co. is a delicate stab at this issue, which has been ongoing for quite some time.
Software "registration" of common English words, and the commercialized property now granted as a result of it, is taking its toll on English as a language... Microsoft aren't the only ones doing it, but from them you can learn -many- worthy things in this regard.
{I find this aspect of their 'leadership' of the computing industry to be detestable, and this is why I don't ever use Microsoft products. Ever.}
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Do you know what Sunnis and Shi'ites are fighting over?
... because there are people like you in the world who serve only to justify inhumanity, not do something about it ... we get gun-makers arming teenagers.
Take two Sunni children and two Shi'ite children, give them a mud-making machine away from all the adults, and show them how to work together to make houses for all the lepers in the neighborhood.
There. Peace.
But no
pfftt... what are you, an insult machine?
...
just admit it, your situation is hopeless. you live in a land not your own, and the walls of your palace are coming down
I have two points to make:
...
1. I don't live in America, you NAZI.
2. Do something about your government, Consumerican
The whole thing stinks of war crimes to me.
The U.S. is guilty of more war crimes than any other state.
Period.
The U.S. refuses to live up to its ratification of the ICC, because half of the existing Administration would go straight to Jail, would not collect $200, and would not pass Go...
Dick Cheney == biggest war criminal of the 21st Century.
Highway of Death incident, anyone? (It was his order...)
Most Americans do not have the courage to confront the fact that their country is being run by known and wanted criminals.
Alas, the conversion of American to Consumerican has been completed successfully, and the elite get their way no matter what...
horse shit. the rwandan's are fighting each other over resources. rwanda has tons of natural gas and oil reserves, and the people who are fomenting this violence (i.e. those behind the curtain... i.e. congolmerates such as British Petroleum) know that having strife such as this going on is better than having a unified set of tribes with a political system that is uncontrollable by foreign interests.
don't always believe what BBC has to say about things
if you give -any- large group of people sufficient means to self-sustain their communities, and make those means available to all and sundry, you will reduce tensions in the area.
every single conflict going on between any two groups of people is created. it doesn't 'just happen'. give people technology to avoid this creation, and they will
the fact that all these freakin' weapons makers (any man who makes a weapon is an Enemy of Man) could instead be making fresh-water pumps and road-making machines, but aren't, simply means that their intentions are not to prevent war, but to prolong it
give a man a gun, and all he can do is kill with it. give a man a pump, and he can keep his village alive...
It would be far better to spend all this money on giving people less reason to fight each other.
...
Say, better resource control in Mozambique (water)? What about building a machine that, instead of pumping out millions of rounds of lead per second, are able to make mud bricks and houses at a rate of 10 a day?
Why isn't this a priority? Simple. The ones in control of the funding are fucking assholes and have all the justification they need to continue bringing misery and death to the world
It is goddamn scary that a U.S. citizen even has to consider posting information on foreign ground to acheive freedom of speech and press. What has gone so wrong...? Are there no longer visionaries in government
Its quite simple, really. The U.S. government is no longer of the people, or even for the people...
The U.S. Government is of itself, and for itself. This happens with every government, eventually, and it happened to America.
Unless U.S. Citizen do something about their government instead of sitting around on their fat asses becoming Consumericans, then the U.S. Government is going to do whatever the hell it pleases.
Americans. DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR GOVERNMENT.
no, you're missing the point. the iOpener was a $99 device which really should've cost something like $249... the only reason it was so cheap was because the company was expecting people to subscribe to their ISP services with it ... in the end, though, it became a "$99 PC", courtesy of wily hackers...
... there's this web site called 'google', which you might be able to find the URL for if you're really elite ... that'll tell you all about it ...
and hey, its not so freakin' hard to hack an iOpener, or find details on how to do it
I dunno ... I've written plenty of Carbon apps for OSX, and none of my users can tell the difference. It all looks like an OSX app to them, I assure you.
Last I looked, though, "plist files" weren't part of the GUI experience, so I can imagine why you're formulating the opinion that "Carbon" != "OSX".
Neither your nor my post were anything other than argument. Big deal.
... thats ALL slashdot is good for!
Geeze man, if you're looking for a fight, you've come to the wrong place. All you'll get around here is weenies with points of view being expressed in a forum that they wouldn't ordinarily be able to express
Until space aliens actually do land and ask to be put in touch with our obscure cults, there simply is no reasoning, only conjecture. I think you're just complaining to complain.
Maybe you need a hug?
Whatever. Carbon works. Its usable. It is actually quite fun to code for Carbon, if you know what you're doing. I don't think it should be discounted as an 'inferior' API, because it just isn't inferior - its different. Personally, I can't stand the candy-coated Cocoa API's, but its a taste thing.
Ultimately though, an Aqua-friendly GTK port is where its at. GTK is great fun, cross-platform, and just as friendly as WTL...
Maybe the Vatican missed a fourth option: they're already here.
...
Maybe the Vatican are the space aliens...
Personally, I can think of plenty of good Earth-religions for space visitors. Wouldn't it be terrible if they do arrive, and it turns out that our religions are the only thing they're interested in?
Would put all those anti-religion zealots in a different realm, for one. And it could serve to validate the rights of certain 'unpopular' groups to their point of view
Porting to Carbon would make more sense than porting to Cocoa.
... oh, and I guess I'd have to get myself a Windows box (or VPC image or something) ...
...
Carbon is a good API if you know it.
Sure, it has its legacy horrid-ness, just like MFC, but a WTL->Carbon translation API/library would be -very- useful, and oddly enough I believe that the similarities between Carbon and WIN32/GDI'ish stuff are such that it would be a relatively easy project to complete. If I weren't already so busy with other projects, I'd have a dig
Still, in the end, there are already plenty of cross-platform (Linux/OSX/Win32) GUI libs out there, all just as valid and easy to use as WTL, so the only real reason for doing such a cross-platform hack of WTL so it could be compatible with OSX would be to just add another one to the growing pile
Where do you think it should go?
/opt is -not- something that someone is going to remember to include in their Toast-based backups easily enough ...
Let the USER decide. If you can't build a package that understands its own paths, and is re-locatable to any location, then its -not- finished, and you shouldn't release it.
Fixed-path installs are brain-dead and only come about as the result of laziness, utter. The user has a ~/Library, a ~/Applications - both of these directories exist, are useful, and will survive backups made by your average user of their home directory.
OSX is a Unix for Users. Use it that way!
I *HATE* it that they have forced an '/opt' usage in OSX.
/opt IN OSX! FOR A REASON!!
/sw tree, now we gotta put up with an /opt.
/opt" ... there, that oughta fix those dufus's...
THERE IS -NO-
Godamnit, I'd just started to get over those fink morons and their
"ln -s ~/opt
Lets let the Consumericans of the future breed their own sub-human slave race for the purposes of 'medicine'. Great idea.
Cloning is one of those situations where you not only cannot and should not ignore the man behind the curtain, but you should take him out of the theatre, kick his ass, and start dating his sister
In 50 years time, after 'a few years' of industrialized human-breeding for the sake of fashion and medicine, I don't think I'm gonna want to call myself a member of this race.
Yawn. Great, the worlds largest purveyor of electronic slavery now has some new shackles, yay. Damn the technology, its still not gonna give Mr. Couch Potato what he needs to boost the economy ...
(hint: a kick in the ass!)
... its not a valid reduction if the effect isn't the same ...
yeah, tah, that rocks. i'll give it a go one spare weekend. i wonder if it still lets me use the blinkenlights... thats really about the only thing that truly endears me to the bebox... ppc603e's, yeah, okay, would've been good in 1995.
i stand by my request for a bebox-like tiBook though. that'd rock ass.
i'd just be happy to get some sort of linux/*bsd on it somehow ... i don't know what version of BeOS i've got on there now, but its not the 'latest-and-greatest', which i fear is only available to me through some sort of "Wayback Machinations" or other ... but if there were at least a linux kernel on it, then i could fit it into my other 'port/hack/compile/rewrite' style of sysadmin'stration...
All those years I've slagged off Amiga blow^H^H^H^Hdie-hards, and here am I with a rev-a. BeBox I refuse to part with. I love the damn thing. I never noticed it, but I've got Amigazoids' Disease.
.PDF) to put on my Amig^H^H^H^HBeBox, beautiful and blue though it sits in the corner, gathering dust, as if there's nothing else to do with it ... ;)
Why, oh why can't someone invent a "Parallel Universe Chunnel" so I can get myself a laptop BeBox. tiBooks come close, but Apple crack is still crack!
Ah well. At least I have something else (the
I see no reason why NASA shouldn't be funding programs to take other technologies, from other branches of the government science programs, and continue to refine them by adopting them to space (and thus making them better for us here on Earth).
the point is to use Space to 'catalyze' better Earth technology...
Or maybe they are just good at coming up with simple, catchy product names...
okay. heres a clue, cadet:
"what is the definition of the word 'catchy'?"
no, i meant, since there -was- water on mars, we can use it, and thus nuclear power was relevant technology.
...
never mind. it is time for a long shower actually, yeah
This just goes to show you how pervasive Microsoft is; they're getting to be like Band-Aid and Vaseline - people refer to any adhesive bandange or petroleum jelly (respectively) using these brand names.
... Microsoft aren't the only ones doing it, but from them you can learn -many- worthy things in this regard.
I believe, if you look closely and not always brashly at what you see, that Microsoft is a Master at language-control propaganda methods.
Microsoft "Windows", "Word", "Excel", "Passport". They have, using copyright/trademark registration backed up by the full force of the U.S. Government, usurped a significant chunk of the English dictionary and grafted their own contemporary definitions.
The "he inserted microsoft in the socket behind his ear" pun of Gibson&co. is a delicate stab at this issue, which has been ongoing for quite some time.
Software "registration" of common English words, and the commercialized property now granted as a result of it, is taking its toll on English as a language
{I find this aspect of their 'leadership' of the computing industry to be detestable, and this is why I don't ever use Microsoft products. Ever.}