Just because I might LIKE to confirm my world view -- is it in societies best interest to automate an "eco chamber" on the internet?
The rights of privacy only extend to our Government -- there's still this gray area with services and corporations. I don't think there is any clearer scenario to say; "we've gone to far." It's one thing to optimize a search -- it's another to play a digital psychologist and give different results to different people based on their profile. Down that path leads people who don't know what the rest of the world thinks. No sense of the "norm" can be had. Every person lives in a bubble where they are a majority.
This leads to extremism. This leads to delusions. This leads to the satisfied staying satisfied, the conspiracy theorist upping the ante, and this is where I start ranting!
This is about the most evil thing a search engine company can do. Congratulations Google.
When you interact with these people do you ever notice that they've got certain "facts" that you do not?
The "bubble" is of information that is unique to the perspective -- or reinforcing that perspective. It can also be called an echo chamber where you hear back what you preach.
The fact that you don't "see" a bubble is due to you not being cocooned in your own rhetoric. Meeting people who disagree and not getting horribly bothered is a sign of good mental health.
/ begin jokes here//// Personally, I look for the tell-tale rainbow diffraction surrounding some people. Not every bubble is made of Ivory Tower Soap, but when it is, it's very clean and pretty but a mess when it pops.
So if we follow the logic of our Supreme Court that argues that corporations are people ( apparently based on prior case law that can only be described as a typo ) then ipso facto, a corporate merger and leveraged buyout is Slavery.
Of course, they can come back and say; "But it's a young company" and thus we get into a custody battle.
To prevent the "foster child" debate, we need to go ahead and show past deeds of all companies as examples of "unfit parents" and at the very least, creepy uncles.
How far fetched is this scenario... look no farther than bio-ethanol.
Ethanol, made primarily from corn is pushed by ADM, Monsanto and some other corn producers. They make more money when corn is used -- go figure! There are various "greenie" organizations who have called it wasteful and not particularly green. Perhaps the MEDIA driven by the big pockets of corporations failed to mention the controversy around ethanol.
So are you going to re-think this evil Greenie meme or are you just going to find more evidence because someone told you that environmentalists are behind forcing oil companies to keep antique refineries and forcing waste on coal companies? I wonder if there is a financial incentive behind misinforming people? Is that hypothetical or can I find a bunch of examples of advertising dollars from big polluters buying adds on news companies.
Heck, I'm betting if we crunch the numbers we will find that BP spent more advertising on CNN than they did paying reparations in the Gulf. Now we don't KNOW if that influences coverage,... but why wouldn't it?
Wow, this potential "Greenie" evil you are talking about sure is diabolical. People who want clean air, water and land sure are mean and evil.
Let's stick to REAL examples on what bad people do -- it's not like the world has run out of bad decisions, good intentions going wrong, or inefficiency. You are just being too lazy to prove your point.
Now unleash the hypothetical hounds to defeat the mythical tigers!
And yet we invade Oil rich nations, and then multinational oil cartels get access for pennies on the dollar. What nation have we invaded to procure cheap sunlight?
Then there is a huge infrastructure around fossil fuels; refineries that are antiques. You also have the cost of pollution due to fossil fuels like Coal being shifted to the population. Do power companies pay for the thousands each year who will get sick or die decades earlier than they otherwise would?
We need a more comprehensive word than Subsidy. And you are also forgetting all the price manipulations now that are allowed by creating a Futures Market, which more than anything means that an oil company can outbid the cost of their own oil via a few holding companies. It's increased the price and driven scarcity the same way that Futures Contracts have for grains.
What we actually need is a mathematically model to show the viral spread of the Zombie meme. You have a brain-dead, moribund and boring epidemiological paper to shovel out to beg for funding? Add Zombies! The next researcher notices your success and instead of shooting himself, allows himself to become infected because "grants = survival."
The results of my model clearly show that; The number of real Zombies will be exceeded by the number of Zombie Posers.
And how do you show an "evolution" of Zombies, they don't breed? It's the evolution of the Zombie virus. If it doesn't have a carrier that is not harmed in the transaction, such a virus epidemic would show that over time they become more benign. In the real world, you would see a symbiotic relationship eventually, like the Zombie virus infects merely slow people, and somehow Disney gets a percentage. Lawyers then sue anyone who writes about Zombies.
Not to say we shouldn't do better, but really? Comparing Mars rover to a Moon rover is like comparing a Giant apple to a little apple. There are no oranges in this comparison. There are more temperature swings on the moon, but Mars has storms. Other than that -- it's just further and more difficult.
And the Mars rover lasted longer than 3 months, and had to have software to cope with non real-time commands.
You are obviously unversed in homeopathy, all forms of dilutions of this nature are rendered "normal dosages based on chemistry" by the far more powerful and far more diluted water in the ocean. We are all rendered immune to H20 from dilutions of over 4 billion years. You'd know this if you studied harder. So hard your eyes bleed, obviously due to the diluted blood in your tears.
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I see a lot of uses for an EMP generator.
But then, hardening these things isn't that tough either. All they need is a wire mesh and galvanized rubber wheels and they've got a Faraday cage.
I suspect as well, that not all EMP is the same -- it's basically a problem of overloading the capacitance of a system. So fragile electronics -- very friable. Analog insulated wires and vacuum tubes -- not very friable.
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Speed Trap cameras are not real police either. You seem to suppose that this is to protect you, or has anything to do with the needs of society.
It doesn't and I will bet that what "mlts" is saying will come to pass sooner rather than later. Likely garbed in some "we need it to defeat the ter'rists scenario."
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There is some new "tech gadget" I'd read about that uses spectroscopic interferometry to detect trace particles off of anyone at about 100 feet. So it can know what you had for breakfast. I suspect that coupled with body mechanics and ubiquitous video (to track you to your car in the parking lot) will make anonymity a thing of the past.
I suppose you could get disguised and arrive at a mall via sewers wearing a bleach covered disposable plastic suit with a morph-ink face mask. Steal some paint in the store so there is no track record of use, and then use that on the Android Mall Cop, all for some satisfaction.
The time window for us to organize and anonymously gather to change this world the way we want it, versus the way over-represented wealthy and powerful people want it, is fast disappearing. By the time we do something, we will have harder to defeat monitoring than North Korea.
Or brilliant marketing for the target demographic; trust fund VPs who want to replace people with something that beeps as soon as possible.
"Robot costs $6.25 an hour, mall cop costs $6.25 an hour. Does it have theme music? Screw Bob and his family -- I want the kewl robot!"
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I suspect you were really looking for; "Does it BOUNCE in a satisfying way down the stairs and make a sparky or popping sound?"
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You just know that "cow tipping" an android mall cop will soon become a federal crime. Like denting a mail box.
Devices that make labor superfluous will of course have more rights than the labor they got rid of. Instead of worrying about the treatment of future mechanized life forms, I now suspect a lot of us will get caught impersonating synthetic life forms to get a chance in life.
What's that I smell? BS? I think we have some probably cause to doubt the police now. Let's search them for past cases and tampering with evidence -- just to make sure...
So the Police might have a "reason" they investigated, but the lack of finding the Marijuana makes the "intent to smuggle" point a bit moot. This is like arresting people for stuff that COULD be used to do wrong, but is not doing wrong.
And the drug laws are dumb anyway, if someone is obviously doing harm, then arrest them on the harm that they do. If you have to use a drug test to determine that someone is abusing drugs, then obviously it's not impairing them significantly at the moment. This pretense of "Caring for the population" by warehousing people in Prisons seems to fly in the face of the rational for all our drug policies. The real cause of drug abuse is hopelessness and a lack of opportunity. I don't use drugs myself, but I look at the whole progrom of punishing people to protect them as a doomed farce. We don't pummel people who overeat, or people who watch too much TV -- and I've seen more long term drug abusers in the news die fro prescription drugs far more than all the "recreational" that are supposed to be so dangerous.
Yes there are bad drugs, but the cure in this case is worse than the disease.
THEY probably didn't make the decision, it was made for them and they were told what decision they would arrive at, well, all except for Bush, that family probably has a permanent seat at the star chamber.
Look at his track record. How many invasions did he launch? Two. How many did he get a US 'green light' on before he moved? Two.
I still remember James Baker telling Congress (or someone, it ended up on the TV once but nobody made a big deal about it, they were too entranced with the "babies thrown out of incubators" stories being planted), how his secretary told Saddam; "The US has no policy concerning Iraq invading Kuwait." When Saddam was asking if he could invade due to the slant drilling. I'm sure that secretary was told to go to bed without dinner.
Saddam would NEVER have invaded Kuwait if George Bush didn't green light it. Never. He knew where his bread was buttered.
And note; all the Kuwaiti royals were safely out of the country when it happened. And a burgeoning Democratic movement was squelched. All that tragedy worked out quite profitably for the Kuwait royals and the war profiteers closely connected to the people in the White House at the time.
You create a useless area for people to fight over. Like Cashmere. India and Pakistan ARE squabbling all the time for a reason, but it probably has more to do with 90% illiteracy in Pakistan than in anything important with the plots of lands they defend.
I remember reading that the Great Crusades were a byproduct of better farming and transportation in Europe. Suddenly you had a lot of illegitimate sons of royals all clamoring for land. So they concocted an insult; "Heathens have our holy land!" and they sent of huge numbers of these young heroes to go and get killed off. If they could manage to hold some land -- all the better. But it solved a problem. Why was there no "problem" with heathens in the holy land when England didn't have all that food?
And now China has prosperity, so instead of keeping their currency low and import tariffs high and owning more US debt, it's time to play the "nation state game" and invest in Air Craft Carriers to defend "from the threat." What threat? The one they have to create by worrying about air space over islands that are probably just going to have rich guys use as a resort.
People don't seem to notice that EVERY country is running out of money and yet, there are very, very rich people offshore. We don't actually know how rich some people are -- but consider that all the banks that LOST MONEY, had a bundle as they were ripping off a lot of mortgage lenders for years, and getting high rates of return for years and then suddenly it went "poof" to someone, somewhere...
Here in the USA, the government has no money to solve problems, but they've been able to fund "economic easing" for about $1 Trillion a month. It's amazing how it's "not money or an expense" when it "eases" the rough time for banks but it's a huge expense when it turns into school lunch money or teacher wages (but somehow, those aren't created jobs, eh?)
The world economy does not work the way people think it does -- there is more OWED in this world than OWNED and nobody is bankrupt unless a consortium of banks say they are bankrupt. It's just like Taxes and the Stock Market; there are two sets of books. In one set of books, GM runs a deficit for decades, in another, the stock goes up -- which is the truth? Who's asking the question?
If YOU are asking the question, the USA is too broke to be bribing for the NSA, if a multinational corporation is asking, "no problem." The USA is broke because we are in debt to the same corporations who are rigging the game, and I'm sure there are favors the Dutch make to the USA and they are too broke for those. It's called "an exchange." The same way that Credit Card agencies never actually pay anything but the difference between debits and credits and don't actually finance you anything when you make a purchase.
I think the "self interest" here is that likely the same Multinational corporations (especially banks) are pulling the strings, and that the rivalry between many nations is more show than the public might think.
The real security threat is the public. Al Qaeda and groups like that are useful tools that show up when someone needs invading. There might be "al Qaeda" people with real anger issues, but they only get reported on when there is "stuff that needs taking."
The real hub-bub here with leaks of all this spying isn't from the major corporations, but the medium-sized that might actually be surprised about it. There are actually people making good paychecks out there, who believe what they see on the TV News. No really, people do think we invade countries to liberate people, -- I'm not kidding, they do.
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Are we to a point where instead of "ad words" Google has come to the realization that a company can PAY not to have bad gossip said about them?
This is so much like TV News and commercial advertising. Great. Now the internet is as broken as the TV.
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Just because I might LIKE to confirm my world view -- is it in societies best interest to automate an "eco chamber" on the internet?
The rights of privacy only extend to our Government -- there's still this gray area with services and corporations. I don't think there is any clearer scenario to say; "we've gone to far." It's one thing to optimize a search -- it's another to play a digital psychologist and give different results to different people based on their profile. Down that path leads people who don't know what the rest of the world thinks. No sense of the "norm" can be had. Every person lives in a bubble where they are a majority.
This leads to extremism. This leads to delusions. This leads to the satisfied staying satisfied, the conspiracy theorist upping the ante, and this is where I start ranting!
This is about the most evil thing a search engine company can do. Congratulations Google.
When you interact with these people do you ever notice that they've got certain "facts" that you do not?
The "bubble" is of information that is unique to the perspective -- or reinforcing that perspective. It can also be called an echo chamber where you hear back what you preach.
The fact that you don't "see" a bubble is due to you not being cocooned in your own rhetoric. Meeting people who disagree and not getting horribly bothered is a sign of good mental health.
/ begin jokes here ////
Personally, I look for the tell-tale rainbow diffraction surrounding some people. Not every bubble is made of Ivory Tower Soap, but when it is, it's very clean and pretty but a mess when it pops.
I like your 13th amendment, idea....
So if we follow the logic of our Supreme Court that argues that corporations are people ( apparently based on prior case law that can only be described as a typo ) then ipso facto, a corporate merger and leveraged buyout is Slavery.
Of course, they can come back and say; "But it's a young company" and thus we get into a custody battle.
To prevent the "foster child" debate, we need to go ahead and show past deeds of all companies as examples of "unfit parents" and at the very least, creepy uncles.
How far fetched is this scenario ... look no farther than bio-ethanol.
Ethanol, made primarily from corn is pushed by ADM, Monsanto and some other corn producers. They make more money when corn is used -- go figure! There are various "greenie" organizations who have called it wasteful and not particularly green. Perhaps the MEDIA driven by the big pockets of corporations failed to mention the controversy around ethanol.
Of course, I could spend 2 seconds to verify this claim; http://green.autoblog.com/2013/02/07/broad-coalition-working-against-ethanol-says-its-worse-than-t/
I'm thinking I could find a LOT of "greenies" who are against ethanol. They might not have caught on at first, but their goal is a healthier environment and people -- not to "stick it to the man".
So are you going to re-think this evil Greenie meme or are you just going to find more evidence because someone told you that environmentalists are behind forcing oil companies to keep antique refineries and forcing waste on coal companies? I wonder if there is a financial incentive behind misinforming people? Is that hypothetical or can I find a bunch of examples of advertising dollars from big polluters buying adds on news companies.
Heck, I'm betting if we crunch the numbers we will find that BP spent more advertising on CNN than they did paying reparations in the Gulf. Now we don't KNOW if that influences coverage,... but why wouldn't it?
Wow, this potential "Greenie" evil you are talking about sure is diabolical. People who want clean air, water and land sure are mean and evil.
Let's stick to REAL examples on what bad people do -- it's not like the world has run out of bad decisions, good intentions going wrong, or inefficiency. You are just being too lazy to prove your point.
Now unleash the hypothetical hounds to defeat the mythical tigers!
And yet we invade Oil rich nations, and then multinational oil cartels get access for pennies on the dollar. What nation have we invaded to procure cheap sunlight?
Then there is a huge infrastructure around fossil fuels; refineries that are antiques. You also have the cost of pollution due to fossil fuels like Coal being shifted to the population. Do power companies pay for the thousands each year who will get sick or die decades earlier than they otherwise would?
We need a more comprehensive word than Subsidy. And you are also forgetting all the price manipulations now that are allowed by creating a Futures Market, which more than anything means that an oil company can outbid the cost of their own oil via a few holding companies. It's increased the price and driven scarcity the same way that Futures Contracts have for grains.
What we actually need is a mathematically model to show the viral spread of the Zombie meme. You have a brain-dead, moribund and boring epidemiological paper to shovel out to beg for funding? Add Zombies! The next researcher notices your success and instead of shooting himself, allows himself to become infected because "grants = survival."
The results of my model clearly show that; The number of real Zombies will be exceeded by the number of Zombie Posers.
And how do you show an "evolution" of Zombies, they don't breed? It's the evolution of the Zombie virus. If it doesn't have a carrier that is not harmed in the transaction, such a virus epidemic would show that over time they become more benign. In the real world, you would see a symbiotic relationship eventually, like the Zombie virus infects merely slow people, and somehow Disney gets a percentage. Lawyers then sue anyone who writes about Zombies.
Not to say we shouldn't do better, but really? Comparing Mars rover to a Moon rover is like comparing a Giant apple to a little apple. There are no oranges in this comparison. There are more temperature swings on the moon, but Mars has storms. Other than that -- it's just further and more difficult.
And the Mars rover lasted longer than 3 months, and had to have software to cope with non real-time commands.
OK, again, seriously?
You are obviously unversed in homeopathy, all forms of dilutions of this nature are rendered "normal dosages based on chemistry" by the far more powerful and far more diluted water in the ocean. We are all rendered immune to H20 from dilutions of over 4 billion years. You'd know this if you studied harder. So hard your eyes bleed, obviously due to the diluted blood in your tears.
I see a lot of uses for an EMP generator.
But then, hardening these things isn't that tough either. All they need is a wire mesh and galvanized rubber wheels and they've got a Faraday cage.
I suspect as well, that not all EMP is the same -- it's basically a problem of overloading the capacitance of a system. So fragile electronics -- very friable. Analog insulated wires and vacuum tubes -- not very friable.
Speed Trap cameras are not real police either. You seem to suppose that this is to protect you, or has anything to do with the needs of society.
It doesn't and I will bet that what "mlts" is saying will come to pass sooner rather than later. Likely garbed in some "we need it to defeat the ter'rists scenario."
There is some new "tech gadget" I'd read about that uses spectroscopic interferometry to detect trace particles off of anyone at about 100 feet. So it can know what you had for breakfast. I suspect that coupled with body mechanics and ubiquitous video (to track you to your car in the parking lot) will make anonymity a thing of the past.
I suppose you could get disguised and arrive at a mall via sewers wearing a bleach covered disposable plastic suit with a morph-ink face mask. Steal some paint in the store so there is no track record of use, and then use that on the Android Mall Cop, all for some satisfaction.
The time window for us to organize and anonymously gather to change this world the way we want it, versus the way over-represented wealthy and powerful people want it, is fast disappearing. By the time we do something, we will have harder to defeat monitoring than North Korea.
Or brilliant marketing for the target demographic; trust fund VPs who want to replace people with something that beeps as soon as possible.
"Robot costs $6.25 an hour, mall cop costs $6.25 an hour. Does it have theme music? Screw Bob and his family -- I want the kewl robot!"
I suspect you were really looking for; "Does it BOUNCE in a satisfying way down the stairs and make a sparky or popping sound?"
You just know that "cow tipping" an android mall cop will soon become a federal crime. Like denting a mail box.
Devices that make labor superfluous will of course have more rights than the labor they got rid of. Instead of worrying about the treatment of future mechanized life forms, I now suspect a lot of us will get caught impersonating synthetic life forms to get a chance in life.
What's that I smell? BS? I think we have some probably cause to doubt the police now. Let's search them for past cases and tampering with evidence -- just to make sure...
So the Police might have a "reason" they investigated, but the lack of finding the Marijuana makes the "intent to smuggle" point a bit moot. This is like arresting people for stuff that COULD be used to do wrong, but is not doing wrong.
And the drug laws are dumb anyway, if someone is obviously doing harm, then arrest them on the harm that they do. If you have to use a drug test to determine that someone is abusing drugs, then obviously it's not impairing them significantly at the moment. This pretense of "Caring for the population" by warehousing people in Prisons seems to fly in the face of the rational for all our drug policies. The real cause of drug abuse is hopelessness and a lack of opportunity. I don't use drugs myself, but I look at the whole progrom of punishing people to protect them as a doomed farce. We don't pummel people who overeat, or people who watch too much TV -- and I've seen more long term drug abusers in the news die fro prescription drugs far more than all the "recreational" that are supposed to be so dangerous.
Yes there are bad drugs, but the cure in this case is worse than the disease.
I don't imagine that fools could make it into office and accidentally get so dang wealthy.
When you see someone in power and your question is; "Stupid or Evil" -- you have to know that SOMEONE in that equation is not stupid.
THEY probably didn't make the decision, it was made for them and they were told what decision they would arrive at, well, all except for Bush, that family probably has a permanent seat at the star chamber.
Look at his track record. How many invasions did he launch? Two. How many did he get a US 'green light' on before he moved? Two.
I still remember James Baker telling Congress (or someone, it ended up on the TV once but nobody made a big deal about it, they were too entranced with the "babies thrown out of incubators" stories being planted), how his secretary told Saddam; "The US has no policy concerning Iraq invading Kuwait." When Saddam was asking if he could invade due to the slant drilling. I'm sure that secretary was told to go to bed without dinner.
Saddam would NEVER have invaded Kuwait if George Bush didn't green light it. Never. He knew where his bread was buttered.
And note; all the Kuwaiti royals were safely out of the country when it happened. And a burgeoning Democratic movement was squelched. All that tragedy worked out quite profitably for the Kuwait royals and the war profiteers closely connected to the people in the White House at the time.
"not a single person was killed in Tiananmen Square. "**
**no LIVING person recalls anyone being killed within sight of any cameras that were not confiscated!
You know you are in a controlled state when all the news is positive.
You create a useless area for people to fight over. Like Cashmere. India and Pakistan ARE squabbling all the time for a reason, but it probably has more to do with 90% illiteracy in Pakistan than in anything important with the plots of lands they defend.
I remember reading that the Great Crusades were a byproduct of better farming and transportation in Europe. Suddenly you had a lot of illegitimate sons of royals all clamoring for land. So they concocted an insult; "Heathens have our holy land!" and they sent of huge numbers of these young heroes to go and get killed off. If they could manage to hold some land -- all the better. But it solved a problem. Why was there no "problem" with heathens in the holy land when England didn't have all that food?
And now China has prosperity, so instead of keeping their currency low and import tariffs high and owning more US debt, it's time to play the "nation state game" and invest in Air Craft Carriers to defend "from the threat." What threat? The one they have to create by worrying about air space over islands that are probably just going to have rich guys use as a resort.
People don't seem to notice that EVERY country is running out of money and yet, there are very, very rich people offshore. We don't actually know how rich some people are -- but consider that all the banks that LOST MONEY, had a bundle as they were ripping off a lot of mortgage lenders for years, and getting high rates of return for years and then suddenly it went "poof" to someone, somewhere...
Here in the USA, the government has no money to solve problems, but they've been able to fund "economic easing" for about $1 Trillion a month. It's amazing how it's "not money or an expense" when it "eases" the rough time for banks but it's a huge expense when it turns into school lunch money or teacher wages (but somehow, those aren't created jobs, eh?)
The world economy does not work the way people think it does -- there is more OWED in this world than OWNED and nobody is bankrupt unless a consortium of banks say they are bankrupt. It's just like Taxes and the Stock Market; there are two sets of books. In one set of books, GM runs a deficit for decades, in another, the stock goes up -- which is the truth? Who's asking the question?
If YOU are asking the question, the USA is too broke to be bribing for the NSA, if a multinational corporation is asking, "no problem." The USA is broke because we are in debt to the same corporations who are rigging the game, and I'm sure there are favors the Dutch make to the USA and they are too broke for those. It's called "an exchange." The same way that Credit Card agencies never actually pay anything but the difference between debits and credits and don't actually finance you anything when you make a purchase.
I think the "self interest" here is that likely the same Multinational corporations (especially banks) are pulling the strings, and that the rivalry between many nations is more show than the public might think.
The real security threat is the public. Al Qaeda and groups like that are useful tools that show up when someone needs invading. There might be "al Qaeda" people with real anger issues, but they only get reported on when there is "stuff that needs taking."
The real hub-bub here with leaks of all this spying isn't from the major corporations, but the medium-sized that might actually be surprised about it. There are actually people making good paychecks out there, who believe what they see on the TV News. No really, people do think we invade countries to liberate people, -- I'm not kidding, they do.
7) I'll take "Who has a huge nuclear arsenal and likely a death ray for $500 Alex."