Re:Linux and Redhat confusion
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100% true, and it's not just the PHBs and marketdroids -- I've gotten the same thing from junior admins, network people, and assorted Windows programmers.
I usually try to correct it with the roads analogy: Linux is infrastructure, like roads -- Red Hat is a company that sells road-related services, like paving trucks and cars.
It's fairly successful for someone who's got five minutes to think; most people don't have that, so I shut my mouth when they quit listening. No skin off my nose if ignorant people prefer to stay that way.
Re:Cost of switching distributions?
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1) the speed of change is very rapid and all the distros don't make the same decisions about following that change. Glibc, the kernel, and gcc are the big ones, but everything introduces possible incompatibilities. I've spent some delightful time diagnosing NPTL changes that broke my last companies' app on RHEL3, but nothing else. It's arguable that the old behavior was broken and eventually all distributions would come along to the same change, but the immediate effect is "RHEL 3 breaks my app." That sort of thing could happen going from any distro to any distro, depending on the cleanliness of your code.
2) Most inhouse code is not so clean. It's not uncommon for scripts to look for/etc/redhat-release, use hardcoded paths, and otherwise make bad decisions. This is particularly true when the code was one of the company's first few Unix projects; they're coming from Windows and they don't understand the environment.
Re:Worried about Paying Anything!
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I'm sorry, but "Support" is a bag full of shit, regardless of who is selling it to you. I'd rather buy the license and be done with it.
Most other Linux distributions are actually much easier to manage than Red Hat and require less of a Linux Guru. The lack of dependency management is crippling when you're used to something better.
With regard to cost, were we discussing buying an iPod for every desktop in your company? If not, I must be confused. I do pay for my Linux distro ($120/year Mandrake Club), but I'd think long and hard before dropping that number * servers or workstation seats.
Me too! Especially if I can persuade them that their spelling is demeaning to the language; research has proven that insults open the door to buying behavior.
A handful of samples != overwhelming evidence. You'd see a very different picture if you were on a Mandrake-specific list, where loyalty is high and the majority of people seem to be coming from Red Hat and SuSE rather than Windows.
Lemme get this straight, doing well in academia is the answer but the only good thing in your academic curriculum is a side research project because your main classes don't teach thinking?
I'll say this for the English degree, which I highly recommend to any young geek looking at schools: you learn to think, you learn to communicate, and you learn to differentiate shit from shinola. Surviving through a hardcore postmodernist-influenced seminar will prepare you for any amount of corporate meetings.
Exactly. Maybe it's just that I'm a bad coder, but the devil is in the details. While fleshing out the details of HOW it's going to do WHAT I want rarely changes the high level spec, it frequently does lead to redesign of the low-level module-type stuff.
gather data validate data notify user preprocess data and then a miracle happens present data
If it's a FAT16 or FAT32 partition, the primary FAT table will be wiped. While there is a second copy at the end of the partition, finding and restoring it will not be trivial.
I use:x because it's one less key. After all, the entire point to my vimming is to minimize the keystrokes required to write and edit. Aside from the point of standardizing on one editor across any OS that is.
I would assume it's because nautilus is a lot bigger than a gtk file selector. Anyway, a file selector is still required because people will choose to run your apps while the whole DE is not running. For instance, I run a number of GNOME and KDE apps on XFce4; I may have konqueror installed, but it never runs and I certainly don't have nautilus installed. Even if they were installed, if they were required to do file operations from Cervisia or Gnumeric I'd have to wait for those browsers to come up from a standing start when all I wanted was to open or save a file.
Hah. You may think that's oldskool, but my coworker here uses twm:-) No joke, twm and xterm and mozilla.
Anyway, try XFce4 if you want eyecandy on a lowspec box. Blackbox is also a nice environment once you get used to the lack of an iconbox (minimized apps just disappear). Windowmaker is okay for lowspec desktops but uses too much screen real estate for a laptop IMHO.
You know, I quit trying new desktops about a year ago. I'll still install KDE for a newbie, but I only use XFce4 on my desktops. The others don't offer anything over it that I want. I do wish GNOME were a better choice for newbies as it is prettier and arguably friendlier, but its instability in my experience is a show-stopper. KDE can also get its panties into a twist, especially where sound is concerned, but on the whole it's a smidgen more reliable than GNOME.
Of course, neither can touch any of the "lightweight" DE's and WM's in the stability department.
Here's a hint -- the needles are in Snow Crash and Diamond Age. Everything else is hay. Zodiac and Cryptonomicon are readable hay. Quicksilver is not even that.
Anyway, I doubt this thing can break the sound barrier.
Woodbees are pretty ferocious, and may someday be able to able to eat plastic like that bacteria in _The Andromeda Strain_. They could probably take one of these robots down in a few minutes. Better to have it alert the proper authorities with the proper equipment.
I quiver in fear when I think of someone deciding my site is interesting enough for slashdotting:-) Though it wouldn't do anyone much good since I host it on my ADSL line:-) However, a coworker did have an ugly experience when his fractal images got linked via Google's math-celebration logo some weeks ago, which was followed up by a slashdotting the next day. Ow, two for one...
Where do you live, McMurdo Station? http://emma.la.asu.edu/daily.html The daytime times are positively balmy next to St. Louis in the winter, but those nighttime temps are a survival issue in my book.
Of course, in my book St. Louis could use terraforming too:-)
I think you mean _because_ you're running XP it can decode in realtime. There are Linux drivers which enable the hardware decoder, but they're closed-source and buggy. My Epia M Nehemiah is a slow and quiet workstation (though quite good at that) rather than a DVD watcher, because it can't play them without installing Windows. Official drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=325 Unofficial drivers: http://www.ivor.it/cle266/
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100% true, and it's not just the PHBs and marketdroids -- I've gotten the same thing from junior admins, network people, and assorted Windows programmers.
I usually try to correct it with the roads analogy: Linux is infrastructure, like roads -- Red Hat is a company that sells road-related services, like paving trucks and cars.
It's fairly successful for someone who's got five minutes to think; most people don't have that, so I shut my mouth when they quit listening. No skin off my nose if ignorant people prefer to stay that way.
1) the speed of change is very rapid and all the distros don't make the same decisions about following that change. Glibc, the kernel, and gcc are the big ones, but everything introduces possible incompatibilities. I've spent some delightful time diagnosing NPTL changes that broke my last companies' app on RHEL3, but nothing else. It's arguable that the old behavior was broken and eventually all distributions would come along to the same change, but the immediate effect is "RHEL 3 breaks my app." That sort of thing could happen going from any distro to any distro, depending on the cleanliness of your code.
/etc/redhat-release, use hardcoded paths, and otherwise make bad decisions. This is particularly true when the code was one of the company's first few Unix projects; they're coming from Windows and they don't understand the environment.
2) Most inhouse code is not so clean. It's not uncommon for scripts to look for
I'm sorry, but "Support" is a bag full of shit, regardless of who is selling it to you. I'd rather buy the license and be done with it.
Most other Linux distributions are actually much easier to manage than Red Hat and require less of a Linux Guru. The lack of dependency management is crippling when you're used to something better.
With regard to cost, were we discussing buying an iPod for every desktop in your company? If not, I must be confused. I do pay for my Linux distro ($120/year Mandrake Club), but I'd think long and hard before dropping that number * servers or workstation seats.
Mackay rocks -- absolutely fabulous book.
:-)
Volume 1: http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/636
Volume 2: http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/713
Volume 3: http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/884
Heck I may stop at the library on my way home and read that one again
Me too! Especially if I can persuade them that their spelling is demeaning to the language; research has proven that insults open the door to buying behavior.
stupid git.
to be right is an unforgivable sin.
good luck,
A handful of samples != overwhelming evidence. You'd see a very different picture if you were on a Mandrake-specific list, where loyalty is high and the majority of people seem to be coming from Red Hat and SuSE rather than Windows.
notwithstanding legal efforts to the contrary, countries and corporations are not people.
Lemme get this straight, doing well in academia is the answer but the only good thing in your academic curriculum is a side research project because your main classes don't teach thinking?
I'll say this for the English degree, which I highly recommend to any young geek looking at schools: you learn to think, you learn to communicate, and you learn to differentiate shit from shinola. Surviving through a hardcore postmodernist-influenced seminar will prepare you for any amount of corporate meetings.
Exactly. Maybe it's just that I'm a bad coder, but the devil is in the details. While fleshing out the details of HOW it's going to do WHAT I want rarely changes the high level spec, it frequently does lead to redesign of the low-level module-type stuff.
gather data
validate data
notify user
preprocess data
and then a miracle happens
present data
Let's not forget that the folks at Salon use and develop the open source CMS system Bricolage (homepage, Salon tech notes on their choice, Linux Journal article, Another).
They're not exactly the bad guys around here.
Reasons:
a) you know what you're doing and want a lot of control. Of course, since you're running *nix of some sort, it's fairly safe.
b) You don't want a lot of boxes on your desktop.
c) It's just another thing to buy, and my nephew got me this software thing for free.
If it's a FAT16 or FAT32 partition, the primary FAT table will be wiped. While there is a second copy at the end of the partition, finding and restoring it will not be trivial.
I'm sorry that you read so poorly. Here, let me help by quoting the relevant sentence for you:
h p
"all computers running several recent versions of firewall software from Internet Security Systems, including BlackICE and RealSecure,"
Google tells me Quantian is Knoppix/Debian.
http://www.iss.net/products_services/blackice.p
While there are RealSecure sensor nodes for Linux, the desktop software being referred to here is also a Windows product.
In other words, BZZZT! Thanks for playing the troll today.
I use :x because it's one less key. After all, the entire point to my vimming is to minimize the keystrokes required to write and edit. Aside from the point of standardizing on one editor across any OS that is.
I would assume it's because nautilus is a lot bigger than a gtk file selector. Anyway, a file selector is still required because people will choose to run your apps while the whole DE is not running. For instance, I run a number of GNOME and KDE apps on XFce4; I may have konqueror installed, but it never runs and I certainly don't have nautilus installed. Even if they were installed, if they were required to do file operations from Cervisia or Gnumeric I'd have to wait for those browsers to come up from a standing start when all I wanted was to open or save a file.
Hah. You may think that's oldskool, but my coworker here uses twm :-) No joke, twm and xterm and mozilla.
Anyway, try XFce4 if you want eyecandy on a lowspec box. Blackbox is also a nice environment once you get used to the lack of an iconbox (minimized apps just disappear). Windowmaker is okay for lowspec desktops but uses too much screen real estate for a laptop IMHO.
As long as it doesn't copy the "use 100% of CPU whenever I'm running" feature.
Even without that, I'd still use xpdf. Bookmarks are arugably of use, but thumbnails? No way.
You know, I quit trying new desktops about a year ago. I'll still install KDE for a newbie, but I only use XFce4 on my desktops. The others don't offer anything over it that I want. I do wish GNOME were a better choice for newbies as it is prettier and arguably friendlier, but its instability in my experience is a show-stopper. KDE can also get its panties into a twist, especially where sound is concerned, but on the whole it's a smidgen more reliable than GNOME.
Of course, neither can touch any of the "lightweight" DE's and WM's in the stability department.
Here's a hint -- the needles are in Snow Crash and Diamond Age. Everything else is hay. Zodiac and Cryptonomicon are readable hay. Quicksilver is not even that.
Anyway, I doubt this thing can break the sound barrier.
Woodbees are pretty ferocious, and may someday be able to able to eat plastic like that bacteria in _The Andromeda Strain_. They could probably take one of these robots down in a few minutes. Better to have it alert the proper authorities with the proper equipment.
I quiver in fear when I think of someone deciding my site is interesting enough for slashdotting :-) Though it wouldn't do anyone much good since I host it on my ADSL line :-) However, a coworker did have an ugly experience when his fractal images got linked via Google's math-celebration logo some weeks ago, which was followed up by a slashdotting the next day. Ow, two for one...
"as it is just marginally cooler on Mars"
:-)
Where do you live, McMurdo Station? http://emma.la.asu.edu/daily.html The daytime times are positively balmy next to St. Louis in the winter, but those nighttime temps are a survival issue in my book.
Of course, in my book St. Louis could use terraforming too
I think you mean _because_ you're running XP it can decode in realtime. There are Linux drivers which enable the hardware decoder, but they're closed-source and buggy. My Epia M Nehemiah is a slow and quiet workstation (though quite good at that) rather than a DVD watcher, because it can't play them without installing Windows. Official drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=325 Unofficial drivers: http://www.ivor.it/cle266/