Since you're going to get all thoroughly technical, wouldn't you think about the fact that Daniel was describing a VISION he had?
We're dismissing biblical visions now? Yay!
Like the visions Mary, then Joseph had about her pregnancy, and the vision Noah had about building an Ark! Worthless, the lot of 'em! Nothing but visions, visions don't count!
As the Hollywood Reporter puts it, "The end of the "Star Wars" movies leaves a gaping hole in the galaxy of geekdom. And it begs the larger question: Is the era of the superfan over? No longer is there any variation of "Star Trek" on TV. The Grateful Dead essentially passed with Jerry Garcia, and even Phish is done now. The seminal pop-cult experience may be a thing of the past."
I'm shopping for a Brown Coat to wear to the movies on september 30th... I think I'll wear an hawaian shirt with it;-)
Did anyone else feel the scene where Yoda leaves Kashyyyk was entirely reminiscent of the last scene in ET? Even Yoda's little pod looked a lot like ET's ship to me. I could even swear I heard the ET theme playing in the background.
You are not alone.
Remember, in ET, it's halloween and ET sees a kid in a Yoda mask and gets all excited, saying "Home! Hoooome!"... and the reciprocal ETs in one of ep1's Galactic Senate scenes.
so "do or do not.. there are no try" and now "only the Sith see things in absolutes".. Hmmm.
Remeber in ep1 when Yoda looks into Anakin's future, frowns, and declares it "fuzzy" and says he can't see?
He lied.
He saw the awnser to the riddle of the Balance of the Force: From an imbalance of thousands of light-side weilder and only two dark-siders, Anakin will bring balance: Two of each.
Yoda keeps his mouth shut and makes sure he's one the two.
So...the mouse isn't battery powered, but the mousepad is?
FTFA: "The NB-50 mouse pad does have a cord, and it connects to the computer via USB."
This is for people who don't want a wire on the part that moves, but don't mind having a wire on the part that stays put.
I know I don't tangle up my keyboard's wire nearly as often as I do the mouse wire, but I got an optical mouse partly because I don't like to be restricted in the area on which I can move said mouse. I do tasks that are conductive to large mouse movements, precise dragging and whatnot, so this isn't for me. Still cool, though.
I also find it amusing that the "circle of the earth" passage was used to support the flat earth argument rather than dispute it. Yes, in three dimensions the term is "globe", but our audience is average unscientific Joachims here, not today's scientifically enlightened *snicker* masses who might know what a sphere is.
The page I linked you demonstrate that they had the vocabulary to distinguish between a circle and a sphere, with supporting quotes from the bible you so cherish. But rather than accept that you are wrong, you choose to believe that people in the past were too stupid/ignorant to know the difference between a circle and a ball, even when the bible proves they did.
That is a very dishonest thing to do. I tried to educate you, but I can only lead a horse to water, I can't make it drink... so keep your blinders on.
I kinda actually like the reference joking about libraries and a holy book... that's cute. But you missed a little something. Yes, scripture talks about the corners of the world, but it talks about them as the directions, north, south, east, west, not as in that the earth is a square. And funny that you would say that it IMPLIES otherwise, when it actually directly talks about the world being a circle... check out Isaiah 40:22, and in case you don't have it handy, here's a link. I also like that you talk about religion being there to subvert science. I guess I've never gotten to see scientists spend their lives trying to subvert religion either... nope, that never happens. No, I'm not trying to get a flame war started, just responding somewhat in jest to your pot shot in jest as well...
The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)
The "whole" earth? No matter how tall the tree was, even if it was only a dream, it would not have been visible from the other side of the earth.
Hopeful believers in the scientific wisdom found in the Bible ignore the verse above and point to a verse in Isaiah which they think shows that the Bible writers knew the earth was a sphere. They believe that the word "circle" could actually mean "sphere," since both are round, but they ignore Isaiah's use of a different word in another verse where he speaks of a "ball." Here are the two verses:
To whom then will ye liken God?....It is he that sitteth upon the circle (chuwg) of the earth (Isaiah 40:18-23)
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL (duwr) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)
The Hebrew word used in scripture for "circle" in the verse above is chuwg. If the Bible writer had meant for us to believe that "circle of the earth" meant that the earth was round, the writer would have used the Hebrew word for "ball," which is duwr. The fact that Isaiah didn't use duwr shows that he wasn't trying to tell us the earth was like a ball.
Furthermore, there exists a simple interpretation of "circle of the earth" which does not imply a spherical earth. On a hill overlooking a wide expanse free of tall trees and other hills the horizon appears as a perfect circle, 360 degrees of blue sky. If Isaiah meant to tell us the earth was a globe, he would have used another word. A circle is not a ball, nor is a ball a circle. Everyone knew what a "circle" was in those times; it meant the same then as it means today.
That wasn't a troll, that was a dismissive reply to a troll. There is a difference, and wouldn't you know, the slashdot FAQ tells us about it:
Troll -- A Troll is similar to Flamebait, but slightly more refined. This is a prank comment intended to provoke indignant (or just confused) responses. A Troll might mix up vital facts or otherwise distort reality, to make other readers react with helpful "corrections." Trolling is the online equivalent of intentionally dialing wrong numbers just to waste other people's time.
As for those of you who are playing the head in the sand game about the bible's implication of a flat earth, take note that people were tortured and killed by religious authorities for saying the earth was round or rotated on an axis, so modding me down is just the light version of the same persecution. I thank you for lumping me, in a small way, with Gallileo: I'm flattered.
Finally, if you are too lazy to look it up for yourself, here is a page detailing the passages that imply that the earth is flat. All I had to do was type "flat earth bible" in google to find this. But I suppose that trolling me about this, or modding me down about it, is a more satisfying occupation for some people than simply educating themselves.
P.S. Do NOT reply to me about how you feel that these passages could also be interpreted in a non-flat-earth way. It won't bring back the people who were killed by those who interpreted it differently, and I'm not interrested in getting into a flamewar: I'm just telling it like it is.
People who choose their jobs carefully are more likely to be satisfied with them than those who take a flying leap into the great unknown
Unless you want a job as a professional skydiver, that is...
Well, I think it's still worth it to carefully consider getting a parachute first, but if you just want to jump out of the plane, I'm willing to admit I'm overly cautious;-)
For example, somebody was saying the other day that he knew all along that Iraq didn't have WMDs. Um, no, he didn't. He hadn't ever even been to Iraq. Heh.
I was reading the Times back in the 90's, and it discussed Iraq's inflatable fake weapons, used to fool long-distance information gathering by being indistinguishable in a satellite picture from an actual missile, plane or tank.
Sometimes it's worth it just to refine the testing process.
the earth was round at a time when Alexandria was a place with a really cool library, and that got obscured by this religious sect that had a holy book that implied otherwise.
Um, where in the Bible does it say that the earth is flat?
Odly enough, it had been scientifically demonstrated that the earth was round at a time when Alexandria was a place with a really cool library, and that got obscured by this religious sect that had a holy book that implied otherwise.
Fortunatly, these days we don't suffer from crazy religious groups getting political power and subverting scien... well, ok, we DO, but at least we don't get burned alive as part of it no more... that's a kind of progress.
I cited one of many examples. How much attention do you pay to the U.S.-Canada border? This is abherrant behaviour, it's a trend.
You want me to dig up the quote of your president about how much he'd love to be the dictator of the U.S.A.? He DID say it.
is equivalent to apolice state
Devolving into, not "established". Go google for the meaning of the expressions "frog soup", "baby steps" and "sliding slope"... or keep your head in the sand, have it your way(TM).
Here's the sound bite. He actually said it. Ye gods. And you can tell how well they screen that audience - because they applauded him admitting use of reiterated propaganda. Someone above disputed that Bush is stupid.
I think it's hubris, not simple everyday stupidity.
He got away with the invasion of Iraq and there are still MILLIONS of people who believe the WMD story, even after the whitehouse admitted there aren't any. Since he can get away not only with murder, but with tens of thousands of murders, there's no point in pretending that what he's doing isn't propaganda anymore, his followers obviously don't care.
Yet it hinders and inconveniences everyone including citizens of the United States who are having their privacy violated.
My dad, Canadian, was crossing the border this winter to go camping, they stopped him and searched his camper, putting it through the fancy gamma scanner and everything.
Seems reasonable, right?
Except that while doing so they tried to arrest him, fingerprint him, and put him in a cell for the duration of the scan!
Now, my dad isn't an idiot, he knows he's done nothing wrong, he knows the border-crossing drill, having done it many many times before, and he just said "stop reading me my rights!", refused to be arrested for crossing the Canada/US border completely legally, with all the paerwork properly done. They stopped their shenanigans, since they had NO REASON to arrest him, but I'm sure more gullible travelers are suckered into believing that this is right, else they'll be suspected of t3h 3v1l terrorism.
Now, I'm sorry, but you guys are obviously devolving into a fucking police state! Thomas Jefferson must be spinning in his grave .
That would be awesome. I think it is important that we post unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about how this is just one more step in an inevitable march towards some dytopian future.
You misspelled "dystopian"... and while I'm at it:
"The aim of getting the same microchip is to ensure compatability in screening terrorist suspects. But it will also mean that information contained in the British cards can be accessed across the Atlantic."
They misspelled "emotionally potent oversimplified justification" in quite a big way! Now, you were about to reveal their sinister true intentions... carry on : )
If the only acceptable solutions must have ZERO impact on the environment
There's no such thing as zero impact. But there's impact that can be recovered from naturally in a reasonnable amount of time, and then there's irresposible destruction. The trick is to avoid the free for all destruction AND the non-obvious ecological snafus. Take hydro power for instance, it turns out that the artificial lakes they create for them end up full of heavy metals released from the decomposing plants they drowned. Off course, the artificial lake will grow an ecosystem that resinks those contaminants after 10 or 15 years, but that's an impact we didn't know about until after it happened a few times.
Now we know.
Personally, I don't understand why they don't harvest those trees while they're building the dams. It's trees, you can make lumber, or paper pulp... you're already building a road and bringing trucks up there, and for once clear cutting would be the environmentally friendly option. Go figure.
Slashdot Mirror
There are a lot of people who can literally do ANYTHING, and partly because of this they end up doing NOTHING.
Well, I feel less guilty about my slackerism now, thanks! : )
Since you're going to get all thoroughly technical, wouldn't you think about the fact that Daniel was describing a VISION he had?
We're dismissing biblical visions now? Yay!
Like the visions Mary, then Joseph had about her pregnancy, and the vision Noah had about building an Ark! Worthless, the lot of 'em! Nothing but visions, visions don't count!
As the Hollywood Reporter puts it, "The end of the "Star Wars" movies leaves a gaping hole in the galaxy of geekdom. And it begs the larger question: Is the era of the superfan over? No longer is there any variation of "Star Trek" on TV. The Grateful Dead essentially passed with Jerry Garcia, and even Phish is done now. The seminal pop-cult experience may be a thing of the past."
;-)
I'm shopping for a Brown Coat to wear to the movies on september 30th...
I think I'll wear an hawaian shirt with it
Did anyone else feel the scene where Yoda leaves Kashyyyk was entirely reminiscent of the last scene in ET? Even Yoda's little pod looked a lot like ET's ship to me. I could even swear I heard the ET theme playing in the background.
You are not alone.
Remember, in ET, it's halloween and ET sees a kid in a Yoda mask and gets all excited, saying "Home! Hoooome!"... and the reciprocal ETs in one of ep1's Galactic Senate scenes.
so "do or do not.. there are no try" and now "only the Sith see things in absolutes".. Hmmm.
Remeber in ep1 when Yoda looks into Anakin's future, frowns, and declares it "fuzzy" and says he can't see?
He lied.
He saw the awnser to the riddle of the Balance of the Force: From an imbalance of thousands of light-side weilder and only two dark-siders, Anakin will bring balance: Two of each.
Yoda keeps his mouth shut and makes sure he's one the two.
So...the mouse isn't battery powered, but the mousepad is?
FTFA: "The NB-50 mouse pad does have a cord, and it connects to the computer via USB."
This is for people who don't want a wire on the part that moves, but don't mind having a wire on the part that stays put.
I know I don't tangle up my keyboard's wire nearly as often as I do the mouse wire, but I got an optical mouse partly because I don't like to be restricted in the area on which I can move said mouse. I do tasks that are conductive to large mouse movements, precise dragging and whatnot, so this isn't for me. Still cool, though.
no batteries just charge it once a week
;-)
And, since there's no battery, you're charging... magical gnomes?
I also find it amusing that the "circle of the earth" passage was used to support the flat earth argument rather than dispute it. Yes, in three dimensions the term is "globe", but our audience is average unscientific Joachims here, not today's scientifically enlightened *snicker* masses who might know what a sphere is.
The page I linked you demonstrate that they had the vocabulary to distinguish between a circle and a sphere, with supporting quotes from the bible you so cherish. But rather than accept that you are wrong, you choose to believe that people in the past were too stupid/ignorant to know the difference between a circle and a ball, even when the bible proves they did.
That is a very dishonest thing to do.
I tried to educate you, but I can only lead a horse to water, I can't make it drink... so keep your blinders on.
You mean like this? (Feeling Lucky link on Google)- slope.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery
Yup, but without the "inevitability" part.
There is a difference, and wouldn't you know, the slashdot FAQ tells us about it:
As for those of you who are playing the head in the sand game about the bible's implication of a flat earth, take note that people were tortured and killed by religious authorities for saying the earth was round or rotated on an axis, so modding me down is just the light version of the same persecution. I thank you for lumping me, in a small way, with Gallileo: I'm flattered.
Finally, if you are too lazy to look it up for yourself, here is a page detailing the passages that imply that the earth is flat. All I had to do was type "flat earth bible" in google to find this. But I suppose that trolling me about this, or modding me down about it, is a more satisfying occupation for some people than simply educating themselves.
P.S. Do NOT reply to me about how you feel that these passages could also be interpreted in a non-flat-earth way. It won't bring back the people who were killed by those who interpreted it differently, and I'm not interrested in getting into a flamewar: I'm just telling it like it is.
Show me, instead, where the Bible implies that the earth is flat.
In between the covers.
Now, you see that orange dot? It means I won't be replying to your trolls anymore, so you can STFU and go annoy someone else.
Biology is fuzzy
;-)
Won a blue ribbon at the science fair for your "growing mold" experiement, did you?
Well, I think it's still worth it to carefully consider getting a parachute first, but if you just want to jump out of the plane, I'm willing to admit I'm overly cautious
For example, somebody was saying the other day that he knew all along that Iraq didn't have WMDs. Um, no, he didn't. He hadn't ever even been to Iraq. Heh.
I was reading the Times back in the 90's, and it discussed Iraq's inflatable fake weapons, used to fool long-distance information gathering by being indistinguishable in a satellite picture from an actual missile, plane or tank.
Sometimes it's worth it just to refine the testing process.
Verily.
You win the "Idiot Of The Day" award.
* The Earth was flat;
Odly enough, it had been scientifically demonstrated that the earth was round at a time when Alexandria was a place with a really cool library, and that got obscured by this religious sect that had a holy book that implied otherwise.
Fortunatly, these days we don't suffer from crazy religious groups getting political power and subverting scien... well, ok, we DO, but at least we don't get burned alive as part of it no more... that's a kind of progress.
You cited one anecdotal example
I cited one of many examples.
How much attention do you pay to the U.S.-Canada border? This is abherrant behaviour, it's a trend.
You want me to dig up the quote of your president about how much he'd love to be the dictator of the U.S.A.? He DID say it.
is equivalent to apolice state
Devolving into, not "established".
Go google for the meaning of the expressions "frog soup", "baby steps" and "sliding slope"... or keep your head in the sand, have it your way(TM).
Here's the sound bite.
He actually said it. Ye gods. And you can tell how well they screen that audience - because they applauded him admitting use of reiterated propaganda.
Someone above disputed that Bush is stupid.
I think it's hubris, not simple everyday stupidity.
He got away with the invasion of Iraq and there are still MILLIONS of people who believe the WMD story, even after the whitehouse admitted there aren't any. Since he can get away not only with murder, but with tens of thousands of murders, there's no point in pretending that what he's doing isn't propaganda anymore, his followers obviously don't care.
1) Not everybody* has hands (for fingerprints) or eyes (for retina scans) or whatever else goes into this. What happens to these people?
You brand them like the cattle they are?
Seriously: Sub-dermal RFID chips.
Yet it hinders and inconveniences everyone including citizens of the United States who are having their privacy violated.
My dad, Canadian, was crossing the border this winter to go camping, they stopped him and searched his camper, putting it through the fancy gamma scanner and everything.
Seems reasonable, right?
Except that while doing so they tried to arrest him, fingerprint him, and put him in a cell for the duration of the scan!
Now, my dad isn't an idiot, he knows he's done nothing wrong, he knows the border-crossing drill, having done it many many times before, and he just said "stop reading me my rights!", refused to be arrested for crossing the Canada/US border completely legally, with all the paerwork properly done.
They stopped their shenanigans, since they had NO REASON to arrest him, but I'm sure more gullible travelers are suckered into believing that this is right, else they'll be suspected of t3h 3v1l terrorism.
Now, I'm sorry, but you guys are obviously devolving into a fucking police state! Thomas Jefferson must be spinning in his grave .
How many of you travellers were forced to carry your Visa/MC/AmEx and ATM cards by your government?
Worse: By one of your former colony's government.
The words "bold faced lie" come to mind.
It's like when you're shopping for something expensive and the salesman keeps repeating "I'm an honest man"... if you repeat something often enough, people start to believe it.
You misspelled "dystopian"... and while I'm at it:
They misspelled "emotionally potent oversimplified justification" in quite a big way!
Now, you were about to reveal their sinister true intentions... carry on : )
If the only acceptable solutions must have ZERO impact on the environment
There's no such thing as zero impact. But there's impact that can be recovered from naturally in a reasonnable amount of time, and then there's irresposible destruction. The trick is to avoid the free for all destruction AND the non-obvious ecological snafus.
Take hydro power for instance, it turns out that the artificial lakes they create for them end up full of heavy metals released from the decomposing plants they drowned.
Off course, the artificial lake will grow an ecosystem that resinks those contaminants after 10 or 15 years, but that's an impact we didn't know about until after it happened a few times.
Now we know.
Personally, I don't understand why they don't harvest those trees while they're building the dams. It's trees, you can make lumber, or paper pulp... you're already building a road and bringing trucks up there, and for once clear cutting would be the environmentally friendly option. Go figure.