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Mouse Uses RFID Instead of Batteries
ValourX writes "NewsForge (part of OSTG, like Slashdot) has a review of a mouse that is powered by RFID (and yes, it works with Linux). It's cordless and uses no batteries -- you just have to keep the mouse within 2 inches of the mousepad for it to work. What else could be powered by RFID?"
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The statement that the mouse is powered by RFID is a bit of a misnomer. It may be RF that transmits the mouse movement, but it is actually Inductive Coupling. The mouse pad has a coil that transfers power to a coil in the mouse using magnetic flux. This transfer of power is limited to short distances. Passive RFID uses radio frequency to transmit the power to the tag and relay the information back to the "server". I think that using inductive coupling for Mouse power is a great idea! Anything to reduce consumption of batteries that wind up in a landfill.
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So you have to keep it within 2 inches of the mat, and where does the mat get its power from? It either has batteries or is cabled.
I'll stick with my real wireless mouse thanks very much, no batteries just charge it once a week (or when I remember to put it back in its cradle).
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So, whats the difference between this and a wacom tablet, besides the fact that wacoms are generaly superior? If you've never tried photoshop/other graphics app with a wacom, you're missing out.
> What else could be powered by RFID?
Paranoia.
One, it's not RFID. RFID is a means of identifying things, that happens to use the RF from the detector as a power source. You can use RF as a power source without it being RFID.
Two, bateryless cordless mice are old news. I've got a Graphire 2 next to me that's done that thing for three or four years.
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Isn't the point of wireless to not require a wire? Also to have some mobility. Use it on any flat surface. This sounds more like "Hey, thats cool" then useful.
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I don't mind having to recharge my wireless mouse if there was No Downtime. The Xbox 360 controller is able to recharge itself while in use by connecting it to a usb port. There's already a cable going through my docking station, might as well put it to good use!
So...the mouse isn't battery powered, but the mousepad is? I mean, sure its cool how the mouse and mousepad interact, but still, this just doesn't make any sense.
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Yes but does it work on Lin.. oh, sorry.
I don't have any other questions...
Tablets and mice from Wacom have used battery-less radio tech for years. They are expensive though. (But very very good.) Hopefully this new mouse will eventually force Wacom to lower their prices a bit.
What, they want to bring those things back? I threw mine away with glee when I first got my optical mouse. There is no way in hell Ill be using one again just for some wireless convenience.
The mouse pad cannot be operated on any metal surface. Since the warnings about this are printed on the box, in the manual, and on the mouse pad itself, I figured it was in my best interest to avoid finding out why metal and power-over-RFID don't mesh.
Well there's a sentence that sure didn't end the way I wanted it to... Where's his sense of adventure?
"This won't be compatable with my $100.00 swiss army mousepad with radar, titanium finish and levitating mouse option that I just ordered last week. Awww man...."
You joke, but a levitating mouse would be nice.
In the mean time we could have a computer desk with builtin induction, and a mouse that can be used over the entire surface.
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...is that the mouse is responsible for position information, not the pad... Which is nice in some ways, because you mouse motion in real-world use doesn't always map nicely to the digitizing pad's cartesian grid.
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If your entire desk's surface was one big induction loop, this would allow you to have this mouse work over the whole of your desk (assuming there's enough power coupling). Beware the magnetic media, though!
RF powered (or induction powered) mice is old. I updated mine to a BatteryID (Alsow known as a RFIDkiller or BID) powered mice. Ofcause serius gamers still use the CordID powered mice. When will we get mice that are powered by conventional methords of ID? Like a birthcertificat mouse. That'll be usefull.
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It's too bad that the mouse pad is corded. The mouse isn't really 'cordless' in a true sense.
Now, if somebody were to take the mouse pad and add batteries to it so that you could truly have a wireless experience, I'd definately buy that.
Try reading the article instead of posting stupid statements, the author of the article TESTED IT under Linux.
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For a moment, I thought "First they put them in dogs and cats, now they're putting them in mice?" And then wondered why is it news that it's wireless? Was there something about the little critters that made it so you had to run a wire into your pet mouse for a RFID tag to work properly? And really, how often do peoples mice run away and then are picked up by animal control and scanned to find the owner?
Then I read the article and it made more sense.
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Hmmm Sounds like a Wacom Tablet....
I saw somthing like this in a very old Popular {Science|Manachanics} mag from around 1948, but was used for lamps instead of mice. The idea was to have a bunch of radio transmitters in a restrant and let customers carry around a lantern like device.
So it not only lets the government (and/or aliens, communists, etc.) track you, it gives you cancer too!
Back in the day the KGB beamed microwaves at the US embassy to power bugs for spying.
The simplest bug I know of is antenna, half wave rectifier, carbon microphone. As the load varies (carbon mike changes resistance with sound pressure) the amplitude of a harmonic is modulated and radiated by the same antenna.
Since it's powered by inductive coupleing, not RFID, it's in the same category as my Sonicare toothbrush, except the toothbrush is more advanced.
The toothbrush has a battery that is inductively recharged when it's sitting in it's base.
I have used the toothbrush over 6,000 miles from it's base which is amore useful range than the 2 inch range of the mouse.
A wireless mouse with a battery that got recharged when you left it on the mouse pad but didn't have to be near the mousepad to work would actually have some utility. They need to add a battery.
So which technology fries the naughty bits more, RFID mice or laptops that use Intel CPUs? Inquiring minds must know! :^)
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How about a liquid level sensor, perhaps in a beer mug?
An inductor is not a battery but stores electrical energy in the form of current and it probably what they use in this case. Also, a capacitor is not a battery and stores a charge. If I RTFA then I might be able to tell you which this probably uses, but I didn't. -Scott
I've seen a couple posts where people have said "Hey, the first optical mouse let me throw away the pad." and have just got to drop a quick note here.
I have several optical mice that *need* their pad, as it has a grid for the optics to read as you draw the mouse across it. So it took them awhile to figure out how to get the optical mouse to work with no pad. Just as it will take them awhile to figure out how to give the entire population of the Earth cancer by using Inductive style power beamed from satellites to power those mice.
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Yes, a bit off topic, but it was brought up by the article.
I have to feed my mouse weekly, but I use rechargable batteries. But it's better than paying for new batteries monthly.
This mouse uses RFID, it must be an evil plot by the goverment to spy on your mouse clicks; not only can Big Brother read your every click, but any rogue with a 10 megawatt transmitter and 50' dish in his unmarked van could read your mouse from 100 feet away.
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1) submitting the article to Newsforge in the first place without understanding it's induction, not "RFID."
2) submitting the story that his article was up over at Newsforge.
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How would you feel if someone doesn't respond to your post, and only moderates you down with no more than silence? Surely, praise of favorable moderation needs no repudiation when it is provided complete and is not misleading any other way than the subject matter. Here above, I see a post that is not deserving of less than neutral moderation; having supposed text making aware of matter stray from the parent.
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Couldn't this technology be used to charge a battery inside the mouse? That way you can be charging the mouse while using it at a desk but you can still take it across the room with you.
Wacom tablets use battery-less controls. Wacom has their particular technology patented, which is a big reason they're so popular. Their devices are very lightweight and never need batteries. While a pen is likely the most common device used with a tablet, Wacom sells mouses and (simulated) airbrushes that work the same way.
If you buy Wacom's cheapest Graphire pad, it comes with a mouse. From my experience, the input device must be within 1/2 inch of the pad in order for it to work.
Whatever the case, I don't see the point in having a wireless mouse, if the mousepad must be wired. But that's just me, I guess.
Wacom pads have been doing this thing for years, for both the pens and the mouse (though they use absolute positioning).
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... if i spill my drink on the mousepad?
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It's well known that you shouldn't sleep near a wall that has your main power box on it.
It's hard enough to get away from 60hz power things, now it's right there next to you!
What a great invention!
So if it has to sit there, why can't it have a simple cord? Are you people nuts or what?
Magnetic Radiation, what fun! Let's sleep on a coil! What the heck!
PaceMaker, Is that a mouse pad in your shirt or are you just glad to see me?
(a) This has nothing to do with RFID, as the parent stated.
(b) Mice powered by induction from a special mousepad (or top-of-the-mousepad) have been around for a very long time. Presumably these didn't catch on for the same reason that optical mice that required a mousepad with a grid didn't catch on -- people don't like being forced to have a particular mousepad.
(c) Tesla owns your ass, mouse-people -- he powered lamps with remotely transmitted power twenty-five miles away.
Any program relying on (nontrivial) preemptive multithreading will be buggy.
...if they implant people with RFID's then can we direct them with this mouse? Now that would be cool. "I told you to stop e-mailing the support que about what you thought of episode three. Now you'll feel the power of my force."
Or could we get even smaller ones implanted in our fingertips so we can gesture at our computers instead of using keyboards and mice? "Middle finger extended not understood, please clarify and click OK."
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Here's an invention, a string or "cord" tied between the computer and the wireless mouse to keep it from getting lost or misplaced.
I'll patent it and make billions!
It's just stinkin RF... there's no ID, morons.
A troll? You're nuts. I never intentionally troll, it's not worth it.
I think Solder Fumes is correct, in that it may use some of the same technology as RFID for powering purposes. And you're right, he shouldn't have been modded down.
As for NRAdude, his comment was a political one responding to the sensationalism inherent in calling the device RFID-based, and was certainly offtopic in that he had replied to my post, instead of the original story. I don't think he should have been modded at all, seeing as he posts at 0.
Posting anonymously, because this, too, is an offtopic comment.
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Wow, all the benefits of a tablet without the intuitive pen like interface!
has anyone given thought to trying this on the rarely utilized infrared port on laptops? it's just another form of electromagnetic radiation right?
Wacom tablets (and others) have been doing this forever, just not using the "RFID standard" inductive coupling - but their own inductive coupling which predates the RFID standard by many years.
I've been using Wacom tablets, pens, pucks and mice for years.
My default mouse is the wireless one on my Wacom tablet.
No batteries - never have been.
This is different in WHAT major way???
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You guys ever heard of a little company called Wacom?
They make tablets for electronic pens and even made quite some pens for the TablePC.
Now, each Wacom tablet includes a "wireless" mouse as an extra. That mouse uses no power, but requires to be on the tablet to use it.
See the connection? (Or is Wacom also using an RDIF-like technology that's discussed in this topic?)
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Great- Now my computer will know everything I click on with my mouse. RFID *is* evil.
" I do tasks that are conductive to large mouse movements, precise dragging and whatnot, so this isn't for me. Still cool, though."
Directing an orchestra, are we?
Actually, the Wacom tablet is NOT pressure sensitive.
It uses RF to track your mouse (and/or) pen. Pressure is actually reported to the tablet by the pen through RF along with other parameters on fancier models (tilt, rotation).
The Wacom mouse and pen can be tracked by the tablet without contacting it at all. (Good for tracing)
I've had the original Braun electric toothbrush model for many years. Even though it contains a NiCad battery, the battery is recharged by a "RFID" coil in the base of the toothbrush: when the toothbrush is set on the base unit, the coil in the toothrush comes into proximity with a primary coil in the base, effectively forming a transformer and energizing the secondary coil and thus recharging the battery. Never mind that I've had to disassemble, de-solder, and replace the damned battery twice! >:-/
The description of this mouse sounds more like it relies on a similar de-coupled transformer than RFID. Not *everything* that lacks a cord/wires is RFID, for gosh sake! The author will probably watch the new War of The Worlds and then begin seeing aliens everywhere he looks, too.
You sure about that? The largest tablet Wacom makes is 9x12.
I apologize, the largest is 12x18.
Though I still think my point about the price is still valid. Wacoms ain't cheap.
"It uses RF to track your mouse (and/or) pen. Pressure is actually reported to the tablet by the pen through RF along with other parameters on fancier models (tilt, rotation)."
If true then that means one can use a different pen to get more gradients of pressure.
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Gee, if they bump the power up to the mouse it could kill disease organisms in the bloodstream... going through yer hand. hahaha FINALLY. Someone has figured a way to make computers do something besides kill us. The genius who made this probably doesn't know he has brought the Solution to Mankind's problems. Altho, of course, I thought I was the One. But hey, there's room for many on the podium. http://free.seekon.com/Strongheart10 . All kidding aside tho, disease germs floating in the bloodstream are vulnerable to magnetic radiation; their cell walls aren't like Superman's cape. More strong heart information: http://www.strongheart.info/ . And don't forget: Riley cracked the egg.
whats the difference between this and a wacom tablet
Well, this probably isn't owned by a crazy, quasi-religious cult leader* for starters.
*Specifically, Sun Myung Moon.
If you use your computer as a media center, and wireless keyboard/mouse as the "remote controls, its
best not to have a 'pad' at all. I like just grabbing the mouse and/or the keyboard and take it to the kitchen ( where I can still see the computer display on the 84" projector screen ) and control the video that is playing ( usually French video capture, music or news ) while making coffee/eggs/etc. Heck, I like being able to use the mouse on the arm of a couch, a table, or whatever surface is nearby. It is extremely convenient ( in this situation ).
Anyway, the point of this post is to show another environment in which computer mice are used.
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You're taking this all too seriously. It's only slashdot. When you go outside tomorrow, nobody you meet will care about the way slashdot posts were moderated.
And why exactly is this news, anyway? I've had my Wacom tablet for five years, which has a pen and a mouse, neither of which has a battery.
This sounds suspiciously like the digitizer tablets of days gone by... Looking at this wacom puck, I see no batteries, no wires, and a little antenna loop around the crosshairs.
Reminds me of when Microsoft or Logitech (I forget who) touted their innovative "Optical Mouse", almost 20 years after Sun had optical mice.