people who want to go to the movies but don't know what they want to see so they just drive to the local mall and look at whats playing and decide based on what time it is and the title and poster. This happens a lot more than you think.
I guess those are the same people that act like they're in their own basement living room and talk loudly amongst themselves then? I was wondering what they were doing at a movie they clearly don't actually care enough for to listen to.
Go try comparing an early DaVinci with one of this later paintings.
Fun stuff you learn in college art history classes: Da Vinci, like a lot of artists, employed a team to do the tedious "painting all day long" parts. He, the master, would of course be an integral part of the process, but most of those are not his brush strokes. But they were using the techniques he taught them.
It's pretty easy to deduce that they have FTL travel .
What I meant by "we know nothing about it" is: Is it hyperspace? Or do they stay in regular space? Is it jumps, or a continuous speed increase? Do they have to decelerate from FTL or do they "drop" out of it? Etc.
They just never got around to talking about those details so near and dear to us slashdotters.
The studio probably doesn't want it to get crushed by Star Wars the way Logan's Run was.
SW came out a year after LR and had a quantum leap in SFX quality... These two were scheduled weeks appart with similar SFX technology (and you just know how Lucas has gone "batshit loco" recently in regards to using SFX).
But speaking of Logan's Run, there's threats of a remake made in hollywood in recent years... that would be nice.
They don't show any faster-than-light travel, but possibly that's just because it's boring.
I think they did, but they didn't use the Star Trek "stars wooshing in the background" effect. There's quite a few shots of Serenity in deep space, going from one world to another.
But we know absolutly nothing about its propuslsion systems, so its all conjecture for us!
No they don't. The Firefly universe is set in a single habitable/teraformable-body-rich system, colonized (pretty recently) by a seeder ship.
No, its not.
They frequently mention going to other systems (conveniently not saying "star" or "planetary" systems, thus feeding our argument). There is no indication that it is in a single solar system, and much to the contrary, there are a great number of planets, only a few of which were shown or mentioned in the show's half-season run.
They never explained in depth the universe/propulsion, but I've seen your claim about this a few times (single solar system) and rewatching the DVDs gave me numerous mentions of travelling to distant stars, and nothing at all to imply a single star universe (except for the lack of outrightly saying that there are numerous stars, but lack of proof isn't proof of the contrary).
Example: The "core worlds". You would have those all be the system's inner planets and moons? Makes no sense, they clearly talk about them as if they were the first colonies, with the outer systems being younger and poorer. With the power to go from world to world in a matter of days or weeks (depending), they are either going at near lightspeed in a single system, as you believe, or they have FTL and never got around to explaining it, because the characters were more important than the technical details in this show. Technobabble was kept to a minimum.
It seems like there is this new genre in sci fi developing. You've seen it before if you watch anime. Things like Trigun and Cowboy Bebop where they mix western elements with sci-fi.
Like I just said in another post: "Those genres have been mixed for as long as the sci-fi genre has existed. Star Trek was originally called "wagon train to the stars", there's been numerous japa animés in the genre, etc."
Seriously, Even Toy Story touches that theme!
I have comix from the 80's where the Fantastic Four are fighting cowboys on rocket-horse-machine things. There were older jap shows with cowboys in space (late 70's or early 80's). As soon as people started writing stories with people in space, they wrote westerns in space. Its an old concept, Joss just went with it full blast instead of hiding it.
The space western aspect was a little over the top
A little over the top? You must have missed the episode where they used their spaceship to illegally transport a herd of cows then. Now THAT my friend is pushing the "space cowbow" theme WAY over the top (and of course you missed it, it either didn't air or aired in the middle of the night, who knows...Fox was being "creative" with the show's timeslot).
clearly the result of some TV exec saying
BZZZT!!!! Wrong. DESPITE of TV execs saying "does it have to be in space?" and "could they be a bit less cowoyish?".
"I know, let's mix genres and we'll have something new and fresh!"
Those genres have been mixed for as long as the sci-fi genre has existed. Star Trek was originally called "wagon train to the stars", there's been numerous japa animés in the genre, etc.
It was better than any sci-fi on TV at that time, except farscape, but that doesn't make it "superb".
Well, Farscape... that's a question of taste, and possibly of which one got your attention first. Lets not start listing the ways in which Muppets In Space was over the top and mixing genres (ok, the Loony Tunes ep was cute).
I'll give you the standard advice: Get your paws on the DVDs, watch it in the order they were supposed to be shown, and at your leisure. You'll either see why so many people think it WAS superb (maybe they are thinking only of Inara, you can't deny her charm). Or you'll just mumble about how you don't like cowboys all along, its a toss up;-)
Man how bad does your movie have to suck if you are scared of the next Star Wars?
None at all. They aren't affraid of the next Star Wars, they are affraid of the next Star War's marketing, which you'll admit is a formidable beast the likes of which none of us would be happy to be pitted against.
Since when does quality garantee survival? What kind of insane world view are you basing this on?
Given that we live in majority rule world
See, again with the insane world view. The minority elite rules the world buddy, they just allow the unwashed masses to voice their opinion every few years on which of these two identical members of the elite is gonna be VISIBLY in power for the next few years. Works well too, people spend so much energy on elections, they don't even bother with bloody revolutions...
It was cancelled because the majority of people did not think it was superb.
Well, first of all, no. It was cancelled because a MINORITY of people had the power to cancel it and did so. That minority might even be one single Fox tv exec with too much power and not enough judgement.
But what IF a majority of people did not think it was superd? That doesn't mean that it wasn't superb. A majority of people didn't even SEE it. Why? Because they couldn't see it. It wasn't on when fox claimed it would be on, it was actually on a random shifting time slot of death (such as airing on 12:20am on a friday night. No kidding).
show and was unable to generate sufficient viewing figures and/or sufficient advertising revenue to sustain itself, so its probably pretty poor in the eys of most people.
It was killed BEFORE it ever got a chance to generate sufficient advertising revenue. And yet another company picked it up and is funnelling millions into it...hmmmm... Man, you are either making a really half-assed attempt at trolling, or you are really gonna be screwed when you get around to the logic portion of your math education, or god forbid, college philosophy classes. Seriously, "someone cancelled it therefore the majority didn't like it therefore it is of bad quality" is probably the lamest logical leapfrog game I've seen all week and I read fark flame wars! Sheesh!
And it's NOT Sci-fi. It's set in a sci-fi environment yes, but the show itself is not sci-fi themed. (ie, there's no alien-of-the-week-kinda-crap going on..)
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
"Hey, guess what, none of Isaac Asimov's books were sci-fi! They didn't rely on the freak-of-the-week formu..." Sigh...
Here's the thing: If you have people in a spaceship trying to escape the futur's extra-solar military dictatorship... there's a good chance it is in the realm of SCIENCE FICTION. They have terraformed alien worlds, flying cars, laser pistols, human organ trafficking, psychics, faster-than-light travel, etc.
It never occurred to me that this is a defense system. I had a vision of a russian general writing his name in giant burning letters (only visible from space) across Boston...
The problem with throwing an ICBM into the air, is that everyone will know where it came from, and you'll have them coming right back at you.
Build a weapon inside the country you want to attack
Or sneak it real near to the country you want to blow up, like with a submarine, see? And you asplode that country with no place to track the missile back to then its own waters.
Of course, it won't be all that hard to find out who's got subs with nukes in 'em, but the whole "tracking the launch" thing is null and void.
My grandparents' ranch bought a critter that was 3/8 buffalo, 1/8 cow, and 1/2 yak. It was a very messed up animal and walked around in a constant state of confusion- I would guess due to conflicting instincts and brain chemistry.
Conflicting instincs???
What instincs does a Yak have that would conflict with those of a cow?
Maybe it was just lonely and disoriented. Feeling rejected by the normal cows... Great, now I'm speculating on the feelings of the weird hybrid cow. It's your fault!
Let me clarify... let's start by redoing the study mentioned wherein they put quail brain tissue into chickens.. except instead of just observing the behavior lets go ahead and do in-depth studies of the results over the lifecycle of the bird, from embryo to death... and not just the brain.. let's look at the hormone glands and other organs.. then let's do it with several hundred chickens and monitor their group behavior to see if it also is influenced, their sexual behavior and dominance behavior and selection of mates and flocking patterns and finally let's go ahead and breed them through several generations to see what happens.
You forgot the taste tests! : )
And I give you my unlimitted approval on that idea. But while I'm adding stuff:
Also look at the interaction of individuals, minority groups and majority groups of these chimeras mixed with groups of regular chickens. See how they interact, see how the illnesses spread through the populations.
then let's do that again with as many types of animals as we need in order to come up with a complete understanding of what will happen when we insert homo sapien genetics into other animal species. Do it enough times and patterns will emerge that will be quite clear as to what will happen and what to expect. When we have those results decisions can be made based on real data, not just conjecture and ethical opinions.
But, why waste so much time and money on those tedious studies when someone, somewhere, is just gonna go ahead and insert human genes in other critters just to see how it turns out? The thing about humans is, by the time they have the skills and ressources necessary to do something like that, they are also getting too old to have the patience to wait for all those lengthy studies to satisfy his curiosity.
Yeah, the mad scientist is a cliché, but he's cliché for a reason...
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genetic changes could migrate to new populations and cause broad damage to that family of fish via bacterially transported genetic mutation (cause bacteria can transport genetic material to new hosts).
They can? I thought only some viruses could do that...
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people who want to go to the movies but don't know what they want to see so they just drive to the local mall and look at whats playing and decide based on what time it is and the title and poster. This happens a lot more than you think.
I guess those are the same people that act like they're in their own basement living room and talk loudly amongst themselves then? I was wondering what they were doing at a movie they clearly don't actually care enough for to listen to.
Go try comparing an early DaVinci with one of this later paintings.
Fun stuff you learn in college art history classes: Da Vinci, like a lot of artists, employed a team to do the tedious "painting all day long" parts. He, the master, would of course be an integral part of the process, but most of those are not his brush strokes.
But they were using the techniques he taught them.
It's pretty easy to deduce that they have FTL travel .
What I meant by "we know nothing about it" is: Is it hyperspace? Or do they stay in regular space? Is it jumps, or a continuous speed increase? Do they have to decelerate from FTL or do they "drop" out of it? Etc.
They just never got around to talking about those details so near and dear to us slashdotters.
Plus the whole distinction between core and frontier worlds works better if you have multiple star systems, IMHO.
I second that humble opinion.
maybe more accurate to say "Starts somewhere between 9 PM and 12:07 AM
The week before (I think) it started somewhere between 12:15 and 12:20... I caught it at around 25 during the intro song IIRC...
whether our programming director remembered to put it in the rotation, and what the chicken entrails and Magic 8-Ball told us
I thought the chicken entrails were for the demon summonings at Fox... ah well.
Dark Angel failed because they brought Vincent from the 80's "Beauty and the Beast" in it, and the time warp thus created swallowed them whole! ;-)
The studio probably doesn't want it to get crushed by Star Wars the way Logan's Run was.
SW came out a year after LR and had a quantum leap in SFX quality...
These two were scheduled weeks appart with similar SFX technology (and you just know how Lucas has gone "batshit loco" recently in regards to using SFX).
But speaking of Logan's Run, there's threats of a remake made in hollywood in recent years... that would be nice.
$6), which is approx. half the price of a movie ticket
I saw "Incredibles" for around 5.50 Canadian dollars...
"Matinee" on a sunday : )
a TV show that failed because of lack of viewers
That might have been the excuse for the cancellation, but that is not why it failed.
How many people do you expect to be watching a new TV show that starts at 12:07am on a friday night/going-to-saturday-morning?
They don't show any faster-than-light travel, but possibly that's just because it's boring.
I think they did, but they didn't use the Star Trek "stars wooshing in the background" effect. There's quite a few shots of Serenity in deep space, going from one world to another.
But we know absolutly nothing about its propuslsion systems, so its all conjecture for us!
I WANT MY SPACEWHORES NOW!
;-)
Inara was a space call girl, not some street hussy!
No they don't. The Firefly universe is set in a single habitable/teraformable-body-rich system, colonized (pretty recently) by a seeder ship.
No, its not.
They frequently mention going to other systems (conveniently not saying "star" or "planetary" systems, thus feeding our argument). There is no indication that it is in a single solar system, and much to the contrary, there are a great number of planets, only a few of which were shown or mentioned in the show's half-season run.
They never explained in depth the universe/propulsion, but I've seen your claim about this a few times (single solar system) and rewatching the DVDs gave me numerous mentions of travelling to distant stars, and nothing at all to imply a single star universe (except for the lack of outrightly saying that there are numerous stars, but lack of proof isn't proof of the contrary).
Example: The "core worlds". You would have those all be the system's inner planets and moons? Makes no sense, they clearly talk about them as if they were the first colonies, with the outer systems being younger and poorer. With the power to go from world to world in a matter of days or weeks (depending), they are either going at near lightspeed in a single system, as you believe, or they have FTL and never got around to explaining it, because the characters were more important than the technical details in this show. Technobabble was kept to a minimum.
It seems like there is this new genre in sci fi developing. You've seen it before if you watch anime. Things like Trigun and Cowboy Bebop where they mix western elements with sci-fi.
Like I just said in another post: "Those genres have been mixed for as long as the sci-fi genre has existed. Star Trek was originally called "wagon train to the stars", there's been numerous japa animés in the genre, etc."
Seriously, Even Toy Story touches that theme!
I have comix from the 80's where the Fantastic Four are fighting cowboys on rocket-horse-machine things. There were older jap shows with cowboys in space (late 70's or early 80's). As soon as people started writing stories with people in space, they wrote westerns in space. Its an old concept, Joss just went with it full blast instead of hiding it.
P.S. Loved Trigun and Cowboy Bebop : )
The space western aspect was a little over the top
;-)
A little over the top?
You must have missed the episode where they used their spaceship to illegally transport a herd of cows then. Now THAT my friend is pushing the "space cowbow" theme WAY over the top (and of course you missed it, it either didn't air or aired in the middle of the night, who knows...Fox was being "creative" with the show's timeslot).
clearly the result of some TV exec saying
BZZZT!!!! Wrong.
DESPITE of TV execs saying "does it have to be in space?" and "could they be a bit less cowoyish?".
"I know, let's mix genres and we'll have something new and fresh!"
Those genres have been mixed for as long as the sci-fi genre has existed. Star Trek was originally called "wagon train to the stars", there's been numerous japa animés in the genre, etc.
It was better than any sci-fi on TV at that time, except farscape, but that doesn't make it "superb".
Well, Farscape... that's a question of taste, and possibly of which one got your attention first. Lets not start listing the ways in which Muppets In Space was over the top and mixing genres (ok, the Loony Tunes ep was cute).
I'll give you the standard advice: Get your paws on the DVDs, watch it in the order they were supposed to be shown, and at your leisure. You'll either see why so many people think it WAS superb (maybe they are thinking only of Inara, you can't deny her charm). Or you'll just mumble about how you don't like cowboys all along, its a toss up
people are going to see the title Serenity on the movie listings
Actually, they are gonna see the babes and asplosions in the TV ads and go "Me likes!".
Who the hell decides on movies to watch based on their title seen in the listings?
Man how bad does your movie have to suck if you are scared of the next Star Wars?
None at all.
They aren't affraid of the next Star Wars, they are affraid of the next Star War's marketing, which you'll admit is a formidable beast the likes of which none of us would be happy to be pitted against.
ph34r the marketing! PH34R IT! : )
If was superb it would not have been cancelled
Since when does quality garantee survival?
What kind of insane world view are you basing this on?
Given that we live in majority rule world
See, again with the insane world view. The minority elite rules the world buddy, they just allow the unwashed masses to voice their opinion every few years on which of these two identical members of the elite is gonna be VISIBLY in power for the next few years. Works well too, people spend so much energy on elections, they don't even bother with bloody revolutions...
It was cancelled because the majority of people did not think it was superb.
Well, first of all, no. It was cancelled because a MINORITY of people had the power to cancel it and did so. That minority might even be one single Fox tv exec with too much power and not enough judgement.
But what IF a majority of people did not think it was superd? That doesn't mean that it wasn't superb. A majority of people didn't even SEE it. Why? Because they couldn't see it. It wasn't on when fox claimed it would be on, it was actually on a random shifting time slot of death (such as airing on 12:20am on a friday night. No kidding).
show and was unable to generate sufficient viewing figures and/or sufficient advertising revenue to sustain itself, so its probably pretty poor in the eys of most people.
It was killed BEFORE it ever got a chance to generate sufficient advertising revenue. And yet another company picked it up and is funnelling millions into it...hmmmm...
Man, you are either making a really half-assed attempt at trolling, or you are really gonna be screwed when you get around to the logic portion of your math education, or god forbid, college philosophy classes. Seriously, "someone cancelled it therefore the majority didn't like it therefore it is of bad quality" is probably the lamest logical leapfrog game I've seen all week and I read fark flame wars! Sheesh!
And it's NOT Sci-fi. It's set in a sci-fi environment yes, but the show itself is not sci-fi themed. (ie, there's no alien-of-the-week-kinda-crap going on..)
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
"Hey, guess what, none of Isaac Asimov's books were sci-fi! They didn't rely on the freak-of-the-week formu..."
Sigh...
Here's the thing: If you have people in a spaceship trying to escape the futur's extra-solar military dictatorship... there's a good chance it is in the realm of SCIENCE FICTION. They have terraformed alien worlds, flying cars, laser pistols, human organ trafficking, psychics, faster-than-light travel, etc.
It's so easy to circumvent such a defense system
...ok, maybe just his initials.
It never occurred to me that this is a defense system. I had a vision of a russian general writing his name in giant burning letters (only visible from space) across Boston...
I was thinking "offense", see.
The problem with throwing an ICBM into the air, is that everyone will know where it came from, and you'll have them coming right back at you.
Build a weapon inside the country you want to attack
Or sneak it real near to the country you want to blow up, like with a submarine, see? And you asplode that country with no place to track the missile back to then its own waters.
Of course, it won't be all that hard to find out who's got subs with nukes in 'em, but the whole "tracking the launch" thing is null and void.
MNP is the Russian 'Mir', or 'peace'. Why would 'peace' be on this machinery? Sarcasm? Camoflauge?
First of all: "camouflage"
Secondly: Si vis pace, para bellum.
Thirdly: This is too... too much. I'm leaning on the hoax thesis.
Does anybody have a laser proof tin foil hat I can borrow?
An extra layer, shiny side out, ought to do it. : )
My grandparents' ranch bought a critter that was 3/8 buffalo, 1/8 cow, and 1/2 yak. It was a very messed up animal and walked around in a constant state of confusion- I would guess due to conflicting instincts and brain chemistry.
Conflicting instincs???
What instincs does a Yak have that would conflict with those of a cow?
Maybe it was just lonely and disoriented. Feeling rejected by the normal cows...
Great, now I'm speculating on the feelings of the weird hybrid cow. It's your fault!
Let me clarify... let's start by redoing the study mentioned wherein they put quail brain tissue into chickens.. except instead of just observing the behavior lets go ahead and do in-depth studies of the results over the lifecycle of the bird, from embryo to death... and not just the brain.. let's look at the hormone glands and other organs.. then let's do it with several hundred chickens and monitor their group behavior to see if it also is influenced, their sexual behavior and dominance behavior and selection of mates and flocking patterns and finally let's go ahead and breed them through several generations to see what happens.
You forgot the taste tests! : )
And I give you my unlimitted approval on that idea. But while I'm adding stuff:
Also look at the interaction of individuals, minority groups and majority groups of these chimeras mixed with groups of regular chickens. See how they interact, see how the illnesses spread through the populations.
then let's do that again with as many types of animals as we need in order to come up with a complete understanding of what will happen when we insert homo sapien genetics into other animal species. Do it enough times and patterns will emerge that will be quite clear as to what will happen and what to expect. When we have those results decisions can be made based on real data, not just conjecture and ethical opinions.
But, why waste so much time and money on those tedious studies when someone, somewhere, is just gonna go ahead and insert human genes in other critters just to see how it turns out?
The thing about humans is, by the time they have the skills and ressources necessary to do something like that, they are also getting too old to have the patience to wait for all those lengthy studies to satisfy his curiosity.
Yeah, the mad scientist is a cliché, but he's cliché for a reason...
genetic changes could migrate to new populations and cause broad damage to that family of fish via bacterially transported genetic mutation (cause bacteria can transport genetic material to new hosts).
They can? I thought only some viruses could do that...