Apparently the Internet is secure enough for billions of dollars in financial transactions, but not for voting.
Well if that's not stupid little soundbite of attempted irony... There are some many reasons why not instituting online voting right now is a good idea. Actually, I can only think of one obvious pro why online voting would be good, and that is because it would increase voter participation.
Now let's enumerate why it's bad. First, did you ever stop to look at the demographics of American internet users? Three words: white, young, males (Just you like, and me, and everyone else here.) So by instituting internet voting, you're actually giving this sect increased democratic power, which is a really dumb idea because white males have the highest voter turnout anyways. If I were to consider any form of election reform, my top priority would be involving the underrepresented minorities more before I thought about sending a couple million extra white guys to elect some other white guy to become president. I know any non-felonius citizen is free to vote, but if internet voting does happen, you will have a much higher turnout rate of the aforementioned, and most people aren't going to care enough to compensate by turning out in the polls, especially not in the first election year. It's the whole "times are good, I've got my IPO and a quad-Athlon, who cares about politics" mentality.
Second, and most important, internet authentication is a joke. Honestly, I can't think of any system of verification out today that couldn't be cracked. Personal digital certs are great, until you find out that person's password, and then, voila, you're him. Now, think back to 1996, when the White House fundraising scandal broke. People went apeshit because foreign owned corporations were donating money to American political campaigns. Seemed pretty mundane to me. What child's play that is compared to the potential that lies here. Who needs to risk money on the chance that your guy might not be elected when you can just elect him yourself? Do you really think that it would be that hard for any first- or second- world country to cull their cracking resources and seamlessly throw a few million votes to this candidate or that one if ivoting (forgive me, typing sucks) were implemented today? Of course not. And that, friends, is a threat to national security, democracy, and our way of life ().
Biometric authentication, or anything close to reliable would be great, but those are all many years down the road. I think facts like that are what prompted the commission to say the same thing about voting online, and personally, I couldn't be happier with that decision.
I'm going to go against the flow here and recommend that you buy a ready-built computer. I've done both, and if there's one thing I've noticed about my HPs and Dells it's that they crash less. True, they may not have every speed tweak or the latest incantation of UDMA on board, but the extra money you pay for is assurance that they will work. I say this after a few horrendous experiences with my latest machine: 1. Bought a whiz-bang 3D card with all the trimmings. Couldn't get it to work for two weeks until I found out that the Taiwanese motherboard I'm using (also top of the line) has a BIOS problem with my brand of video card. Waited another few weeks for them to come up with a fix - tech support from any Taiwanese mobo maker, is, IMHO, a complete joke, whether by phone or e-mail. 2. Lots of annoying problems with cooling. If there is on virtue to the non-acessible cases that any major PC maker uses, it's that they're custom engineered with great cooling support. My HP Pavilion has punchouts for a fan duct that blows straight onto the heatsink for the chip, and another fan to whisk all that air right out of the case. In addition, the fans both had little chips sitting next to them which would shut off if the temperature was low enough that they weren't needed. I haven't seen these anywhere. Having a virtually silent machine when you sleep next to it at night is great. In contrast, cooling on a homebrew machine is, erm, interesting to say the least. With all the motherboard/case combinations out there, it's a given that in some cases it will be impossible to direct air to the CPU without a lot of drilling and taping fans all over. I prefer the elegant, well thought out design of a commerical computer to the homebrew option which is typical to stick 4 or 5 80cms in there and hope for the best. 3. Just the little things. It turns out that the gamma correction software installed by my video card kills my MX300 sound card. That was a fun reinstall, trying to figure out what went wrong. Good computer co's test and retest their base configuration to prevent things like this happening, even to the point of trying every possible order for installing software to determine what works best. 4. Warranty - having a separate warranty on every piece of hardware in your system is no fun. Imagine a crash two years out finding out that your CPU is covered but your hard drive ain't. Doh.
That being said, my next computer will be built by me, of course:) But I wouldn't reccomend it for the inexperienced user. If you know a lot about troubleshooting and really need the fastest rig your money can buy, go for it. Otherwise, get something you know will work.
Exactly. History repeats itself, folks. I remember waiting 8 hours with bated to download fscking Wolfenstein - the 3D graphics were supposed to be jaw-dropping (At the time, I guess they were.) Things will get cheaper, and better, and faster, and soon we'll all be shooting DVDs across the net. As is typical, this will first happen at colleges, the same place that MP3s first became big, simply because they have no money and the fattest pipes around. I wouldn't count on any compression advances for DVD (they're already compressed; compressing a compressed file is meaningless), but there comes a time in the foreseeable future when transferring an 11gb DVD image and burning it ain't that farfetched. I'd give it three years. And oh, whaddya know, I'm going to college next year:)
I'd love one to go in my car. Unfortunately, Empeg is a bit outta the ol' price range. It seems like a total waste to have hard drive in there when CDRs sell for $1. Alas, anyone know where I can pick up a car MP3 player with a CD drive?
It's convenient, genious. Minidisc isn't solid state, CD isn't solid state, and yes, you can get a MiniDisc to skip - 40sec. skip protection doesn't do much good when you run cross country for an hour. Both those are power hogs, while Rio batteries last forever. Rios are smaller. The quality is not worse; it's all a function of bitrate. At 128kbps some wierd noises occur, but I can't tell 190kbps from a CD, period. If you were cursed with more discerning ears, sorry. Oh yeah, and don't even open the Pandora's box that is formats. I could rant on for hours about closed v. open formats, but I assume thousands will anyways, so I'll save myself the time.
Well, looks like @Home isn't lying for once. Found this in the ol' syslog this morning:
Jan 13 02:25:39 linux kernel: Packet log: input REJECT eth1 PROTO=6 24.0.94.130:
50771 24.5.134.128:119 L=44 S=0x00 I=16336 F=0x0000 T=242 SYN (#47) [john@linux john]# nslookup 24.0.94.130 Server: linux.house Address: 192.168.0.1
Name: ops-scan.home.net Address: 24.0.94.130
[john@linux john]#
For those not in the know port 119 is NNTP, which presumably is what caused them to get UDPd in the first place. Thehe.. they won't find my 7 ipmasqed computers, of these me & my friends ipchains are sure. BTW anyone know how to defend against the TCP stack OS identification "DOS" (for lack of a better word)? To be honest, I don't even want to hear them bitching about Linux or anything else.
Speaking of this, anyone know a way to configure Squid so everytime I access www.deja.com I get their old powersearch page (http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml) instead?
The article is kind of paradoxically geeky - examining the geek culture from an outsider's perspective, yet written with all the old geek jokes - "Don't know how to make love," etc. - in. I thought it was pretty cool.
This is just another prodigal idea that PARC had probably 115 years before anyone else on the planet and just let it slip away a la the GUI. There has to be some sort of bitterness culture there. I mean, when you look at virtually every PC in use today, it's using concepts that PARC came up with. I'd be peeved too.
I can answer the second part. Augustin was interviewed on Charlie Rose a week ago and said that VA had no plans to make embedded appliances, although he made bones about the fact that Linux could do it, and do it better than anything MS could produce. The thinking behind this rationale was that for every embedded device there needs to be a backroom server to run it, which VA will supply. It makes a lot of sense - why bother spending millions on R&D for some set top appliance when there is a viable market for their product.
On your interview with Charlie Rose a week ago, you mentioned that, even though your paper net worth is in the billions, you still live in a modest house and drive a 9 year old Explorer. With its record-setting IPO, certainly all your neighbors must know about yours & VA's success. Do they act differently knowing they live next to a billionaire? Is it wierd to know that one day you'll be living the typical middle-class suburban life, and literally the next (presumably the day the 6 month SEC limit is up) you'll move into whatever house you want and buy whatever and as many cars as you want? What is the anticipation like?
I must be the only person here who is completely in the dark. I assume a Klein bottle is some theoretical shape/structure that has wierd properties... ? The site is/.d so I'm SOL, and all the sites I look at say things that are Greek to me, such as "Euler characteristic = 0" or "Möbius bands" or "4-space". Can someone fill the clueless newbie in?
I guess now is as a good time to remind people that, instead of forking your hard earned money into some rock star's bank, why not charge it on a Linux credit card? Will Bowie give the proceeds to Linux developers and education? Slim chance. Linuxfund will.
$55 million? I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing, but I know he managed to offer several hundred million in "stock" of himself, making him the first (and probably only) billionaire rock star.
It seems that Casio still hasn't figured out it's possible to be both functional and stylish at the same time. Look at the pictures - the thing is butt ugly. I wouldn't be caught dead wearing, not to mention the possible ergonomic issues of bead offbalance and heavy to one side from wearing it. Guess I'll just have to wait for my Rolex gold MP3 watch - it's already in the mail.
Really - who? Carmack is one of the best programmers in the world, IMO. The proof is in the pudding. Look at Q3A. The network code is so tight in that game that I actually get He designed his own SMP implementation, for chrissake. Microsoft and their army of engineers hasn't been able to do this for Windows for 5 years. Carmack is a really, really smart guy and I have no doubt that any contributions he makes will be definite improvements on what was there before.
No one is claiming they have a right to anything. All we're saying is it is completely hypocritical to sit around post 8000 stories over the years, probably a quarter of which were about either how so-and-so must be lauded for releasing the code to blank (think Netscape, Oracle, Sun), or condemning someone else for condoning "security through obscurity," etc. Rob can call people asses and drag his feet all he wants, but the reality is that a code release would take approximately ten minutes to tarball up all the required files and throw them into an ftp directory. Yet he has taken more than a year, IIRC. Surely he can't have run this site for more than two years and be such an ignoramus as to not realize that the whole point of releasing the code is to get help in writing the docs and cleaning it up, which, ostensibly, are the reasons why he hasn't so far. I think the bigger problem is that there are probably gaping holes which could be easily exploited and he wants to clean them up. Fine, but it would go a lot quicker if the entire world could help.
Idyllic but pathetically futile. Lucas has lost more money under his couch cushions than you will see in your lifetime. You have no power over him, especially, especially with money, so wake up and smell the Folger's: he can and is doing whatever the fuck he wants to with the series. He doesn't owe you a damn thing. This is one of those facets about Slashdot that really bothers me sometimes - when people hold Lucas to a higher standard than they would hold themselves. Everyone bitched about him "selling out" to KFC and Taco Bell and everything else in sight. Right - as if you would actually say no if someone offered you hundreds of millions of dollars to put your art on cups and taco wrappers. Also, when people come to the ridiculous conclusion that just because they have spent half their adult life obsessed with his films, that suddenly he owes us everything. "He owes us TPM on DVD; we've been so loyal over all these years." Guess what - I've spent half my adult life obsessed with Cindy Crawford. Do I think she owes me sex? No. Show me someone who actually denies that they wouldn't do the exact same thing to prevent the illegal piracy of their work and make millions and millions of more dollars and I'll show you an outright liar.
So Lucas doesn't it owe it to anyone to release it on DVD. And by the way, let's put things in perspective. Confining TPM to VHS is not "stabbing us in the back" by a longshot. Being a mere mortal, I have often been forced to watch my movies using that horrid contraption known as a VCR, and, believe it or not, it still works amazingly well. I think another billion or two people in the world might agree with me.
Hahaha. Okay I want everyone to go to their page and click 'Y2k compliance' at the bottom of the products page. Read the crap they put their if you want, then check out the left hand nav bar. Click on 'Worst Case Scenario' and where do you end up? Thaaaat's right - right back and the LinuxOne homepage, where they hawk their three incantations of RedHat's operating system at you.
Well they've got it all now - a website, a big cheesy red logo, a domain name with the word "open" in it, and a link to Google on their front page. Shucks, guys, they must be a big important Linux company, right? Forget beer, forget pizza, forget toilet paper - I'm saving everything I can and dumping it into LINX. You guys knock them now, but in six months, I'll be laughing all the way to the bank!
They were a big problem around 2.2.10, were claimed to be fixed in 2.2.11, but happenened for me and a few others as late as 2.2.12. Hopefully they're all ironed out by now.
Heh far be it from the Slashdot crowd to take anything in all but the most serious of notes. I guess one never learns the ability to differentiate between sarcasm and gravitas (or any human mannerisms) when they spend most of their life buried behind a CRT writing Perl poetry to shemale netlovers and laughing at the crap posted at User Friendly. Dare I diss segfault, or shall I too be burned as a heretic?
Look, there's no point in ranting here because User Friendly isn't funny anyways. I could be "the" damn Iliad himself and I would not change my mind on this issue. I have yet to laugh at one single cell of this strip, despite having hundreds e-mailed to me over the years from coworkers and masochistic friends who like to see me in pain. For more on how you should feel about User Friendly, please consult OMM, the source for all your Thresh/Blue's News/Roberta Williams/User Friendly hating needs.
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Apparently the Internet is secure enough for billions of dollars in financial transactions, but not for voting.
Well if that's not stupid little soundbite of attempted irony... There are some many reasons why not instituting online voting right now is a good idea. Actually, I can only think of one obvious pro why online voting would be good, and that is because it would increase voter participation.
Now let's enumerate why it's bad. First, did you ever stop to look at the demographics of American internet users? Three words: white, young, males (Just you like, and me, and everyone else here.) So by instituting internet voting, you're actually giving this sect increased democratic power, which is a really dumb idea because white males have the highest voter turnout anyways. If I were to consider any form of election reform, my top priority would be involving the underrepresented minorities more before I thought about sending a couple million extra white guys to elect some other white guy to become president. I know any non-felonius citizen is free to vote, but if internet voting does happen, you will have a much higher turnout rate of the aforementioned, and most people aren't going to care enough to compensate by turning out in the polls, especially not in the first election year. It's the whole "times are good, I've got my IPO and a quad-Athlon, who cares about politics" mentality.
Second, and most important, internet authentication is a joke. Honestly, I can't think of any system of verification out today that couldn't be cracked. Personal digital certs are great, until you find out that person's password, and then, voila, you're him. Now, think back to 1996, when the White House fundraising scandal broke. People went apeshit because foreign owned corporations were donating money to American political campaigns. Seemed pretty mundane to me. What child's play that is compared to the potential that lies here. Who needs to risk money on the chance that your guy might not be elected when you can just elect him yourself? Do you really think that it would be that hard for any first- or second- world country to cull their cracking resources and seamlessly throw a few million votes to this candidate or that one if ivoting (forgive me, typing sucks) were implemented today? Of course not. And that, friends, is a threat to national security, democracy, and our way of life ().
Biometric authentication, or anything close to reliable would be great, but those are all many years down the road. I think facts like that are what prompted the commission to say the same thing about voting online, and personally, I couldn't be happier with that decision.
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I'm going to go against the flow here and recommend that you buy a ready-built computer. I've done both, and if there's one thing I've noticed about my HPs and Dells it's that they crash less. True, they may not have every speed tweak or the latest incantation of UDMA on board, but the extra money you pay for is assurance that they will work. I say this after a few horrendous experiences with my latest machine:
:) But I wouldn't reccomend it for the inexperienced user. If you know a lot about troubleshooting and really need the fastest rig your money can buy, go for it. Otherwise, get something you know will work.
1. Bought a whiz-bang 3D card with all the trimmings. Couldn't get it to work for two weeks until I found out that the Taiwanese motherboard I'm using (also top of the line) has a BIOS problem with my brand of video card. Waited another few weeks for them to come up with a fix - tech support from any Taiwanese mobo maker, is, IMHO, a complete joke, whether by phone or e-mail.
2. Lots of annoying problems with cooling. If there is on virtue to the non-acessible cases that any major PC maker uses, it's that they're custom engineered with great cooling support. My HP Pavilion has punchouts for a fan duct that blows straight onto the heatsink for the chip, and another fan to whisk all that air right out of the case. In addition, the fans both had little chips sitting next to them which would shut off if the temperature was low enough that they weren't needed. I haven't seen these anywhere. Having a virtually silent machine when you sleep next to it at night is great.
In contrast, cooling on a homebrew machine is, erm, interesting to say the least. With all the motherboard/case combinations out there, it's a given that in some cases it will be impossible to direct air to the CPU without a lot of drilling and taping fans all over. I prefer the elegant, well thought out design of a commerical computer to the homebrew option which is typical to stick 4 or 5 80cms in there and hope for the best.
3. Just the little things. It turns out that the gamma correction software installed by my video card kills my MX300 sound card. That was a fun reinstall, trying to figure out what went wrong. Good computer co's test and retest their base configuration to prevent things like this happening, even to the point of trying every possible order for installing software to determine what works best.
4. Warranty - having a separate warranty on every piece of hardware in your system is no fun. Imagine a crash two years out finding out that your CPU is covered but your hard drive ain't. Doh.
That being said, my next computer will be built by me, of course
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Exactly. History repeats itself, folks. I remember waiting 8 hours with bated to download fscking Wolfenstein - the 3D graphics were supposed to be jaw-dropping (At the time, I guess they were.) Things will get cheaper, and better, and faster, and soon we'll all be shooting DVDs across the net. As is typical, this will first happen at colleges, the same place that MP3s first became big, simply because they have no money and the fattest pipes around. I wouldn't count on any compression advances for DVD (they're already compressed; compressing a compressed file is meaningless), but there comes a time in the foreseeable future when transferring an 11gb DVD image and burning it ain't that farfetched. I'd give it three years. And oh, whaddya know, I'm going to college next year :)
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I'd love one to go in my car. Unfortunately, Empeg is a bit outta the ol' price range. It seems like a total waste to have hard drive in there when CDRs sell for $1. Alas, anyone know where I can pick up a car MP3 player with a CD drive?
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It's convenient, genious. Minidisc isn't solid state, CD isn't solid state, and yes, you can get a MiniDisc to skip - 40sec. skip protection doesn't do much good when you run cross country for an hour. Both those are power hogs, while Rio batteries last forever. Rios are smaller.
The quality is not worse; it's all a function of bitrate. At 128kbps some wierd noises occur, but I can't tell 190kbps from a CD, period. If you were cursed with more discerning ears, sorry.
Oh yeah, and don't even open the Pandora's box that is formats. I could rant on for hours about closed v. open formats, but I assume thousands will anyways, so I'll save myself the time.
Do you work for RIAA?
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For those not in the know port 119 is NNTP, which presumably is what caused them to get UDPd in the first place. Thehe.. they won't find my 7 ipmasqed computers, of these me & my friends ipchains are sure. BTW anyone know how to defend against the TCP stack OS identification "DOS" (for lack of a better word)? To be honest, I don't even want to hear them bitching about Linux or anything else.
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Speaking of this, anyone know a way to configure Squid so everytime I access www.deja.com I get their old powersearch page (http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml) instead?
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The article is kind of paradoxically geeky - examining the geek culture from an outsider's perspective, yet written with all the old geek jokes - "Don't know how to make love," etc. - in. I thought it was pretty cool.
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We actually Slashdotted BusinessWeek? That's a new record. Let's all head to Yahoo and see if we can disrupt 200million+ hits a day in traffic :)
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This is just another prodigal idea that PARC had probably 115 years before anyone else on the planet and just let it slip away a la the GUI. There has to be some sort of bitterness culture there. I mean, when you look at virtually every PC in use today, it's using concepts that PARC came up with. I'd be peeved too.
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I can answer the second part. Augustin was interviewed on Charlie Rose a week ago and said that VA had no plans to make embedded appliances, although he made bones about the fact that Linux could do it, and do it better than anything MS could produce. The thinking behind this rationale was that for every embedded device there needs to be a backroom server to run it, which VA will supply. It makes a lot of sense - why bother spending millions on R&D for some set top appliance when there is a viable market for their product.
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On your interview with Charlie Rose a week ago, you mentioned that, even though your paper net worth is in the billions, you still live in a modest house and drive a 9 year old Explorer. With its record-setting IPO, certainly all your neighbors must know about yours & VA's success. Do they act differently knowing they live next to a billionaire? Is it wierd to know that one day you'll be living the typical middle-class suburban life, and literally the next (presumably the day the 6 month SEC limit is up) you'll move into whatever house you want and buy whatever and as many cars as you want? What is the anticipation like?
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I must be the only person here who is completely in the dark. I assume a Klein bottle is some theoretical shape/structure that has wierd properties ... ? The site is /.d so I'm SOL, and all the sites I look at say things that are Greek to me, such as "Euler characteristic = 0" or "Möbius bands" or "4-space". Can someone fill the clueless newbie in?
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I guess now is as a good time to remind people that, instead of forking your hard earned money into some rock star's bank, why not charge it on a Linux credit card? Will Bowie give the proceeds to Linux developers and education? Slim chance. Linuxfund will.
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$55 million? I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing, but I know he managed to offer several hundred million in "stock" of himself, making him the first (and probably only) billionaire rock star.
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It seems that Casio still hasn't figured out it's possible to be both functional and stylish at the same time. Look at the pictures - the thing is butt ugly. I wouldn't be caught dead wearing, not to mention the possible ergonomic issues of bead offbalance and heavy to one side from wearing it. Guess I'll just have to wait for my Rolex gold MP3 watch - it's already in the mail.
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Really - who? Carmack is one of the best programmers in the world, IMO. The proof is in the pudding. Look at Q3A. The network code is so tight in that game that I actually get He designed his own SMP implementation, for chrissake. Microsoft and their army of engineers hasn't been able to do this for Windows for 5 years. Carmack is a really, really smart guy and I have no doubt that any contributions he makes will be definite improvements on what was there before.
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I hope it doesn't. That kind of sloth will drive them straight out of the marketplace, which, hey, would be great.
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No one is claiming they have a right to anything. All we're saying is it is completely hypocritical to sit around post 8000 stories over the years, probably a quarter of which were about either how so-and-so must be lauded for releasing the code to blank (think Netscape, Oracle, Sun), or condemning someone else for condoning "security through obscurity," etc. Rob can call people asses and drag his feet all he wants, but the reality is that a code release would take approximately ten minutes to tarball up all the required files and throw them into an ftp directory. Yet he has taken more than a year, IIRC. Surely he can't have run this site for more than two years and be such an ignoramus as to not realize that the whole point of releasing the code is to get help in writing the docs and cleaning it up, which, ostensibly, are the reasons why he hasn't so far. I think the bigger problem is that there are probably gaping holes which could be easily exploited and he wants to clean them up. Fine, but it would go a lot quicker if the entire world could help.
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Idyllic but pathetically futile. Lucas has lost more money under his couch cushions than you will see in your lifetime. You have no power over him, especially, especially with money, so wake up and smell the Folger's: he can and is doing whatever the fuck he wants to with the series. He doesn't owe you a damn thing. This is one of those facets about Slashdot that really bothers me sometimes - when people hold Lucas to a higher standard than they would hold themselves. Everyone bitched about him "selling out" to KFC and Taco Bell and everything else in sight. Right - as if you would actually say no if someone offered you hundreds of millions of dollars to put your art on cups and taco wrappers. Also, when people come to the ridiculous conclusion that just because they have spent half their adult life obsessed with his films, that suddenly he owes us everything. "He owes us TPM on DVD; we've been so loyal over all these years." Guess what - I've spent half my adult life obsessed with Cindy Crawford. Do I think she owes me sex? No. Show me someone who actually denies that they wouldn't do the exact same thing to prevent the illegal piracy of their work and make millions and millions of more dollars and I'll show you an outright liar.
So Lucas doesn't it owe it to anyone to release it on DVD. And by the way, let's put things in perspective. Confining TPM to VHS is not "stabbing us in the back" by a longshot. Being a mere mortal, I have often been forced to watch my movies using that horrid contraption known as a VCR, and, believe it or not, it still works amazingly well. I think another billion or two people in the world might agree with me.
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Hahaha. Okay I want everyone to go to their page and click 'Y2k compliance' at the bottom of the products page. Read the crap they put their if you want, then check out the left hand nav bar. Click on 'Worst Case Scenario' and where do you end up? Thaaaat's right - right back and the LinuxOne homepage, where they hawk their three incantations of RedHat's operating system at you.
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Well they've got it all now - a website, a big cheesy red logo, a domain name with the word "open" in it, and a link to Google on their front page. Shucks, guys, they must be a big important Linux company, right? Forget beer, forget pizza, forget toilet paper - I'm saving everything I can and dumping it into LINX. You guys knock them now, but in six months, I'll be laughing all the way to the bank!
;)
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They were a big problem around 2.2.10, were claimed to be fixed in 2.2.11, but happenened for me and a few others as late as 2.2.12. Hopefully they're all ironed out by now.
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Heh far be it from the Slashdot crowd to take anything in all but the most serious of notes. I guess one never learns the ability to differentiate between sarcasm and gravitas (or any human mannerisms) when they spend most of their life buried behind a CRT writing Perl poetry to shemale netlovers and laughing at the crap posted at User Friendly. Dare I diss segfault, or shall I too be burned as a heretic?
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Look, there's no point in ranting here because User Friendly isn't funny anyways. I could be "the" damn Iliad himself and I would not change my mind on this issue. I have yet to laugh at one single cell of this strip, despite having hundreds e-mailed to me over the years from coworkers and masochistic friends who like to see me in pain. For more on how you should feel about User Friendly, please consult OMM, the source for all your Thresh/Blue's News/Roberta Williams/User Friendly hating needs.
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