Do you believe that polygamy is only temporarily forbidden, that polygamy is common in the afterlife, and that God has multiple wives? If you marry and remarry in the Mormon temple, do you keep both wives in heaven? These are all mainstream Mormon doctrine. Mormons are polygamists at heart.
I mean, by that standard, so are Jews and Christians of all stripes. The Bible is quite pro-polygyny. The only reason modern Jews aren't is because they underwent a social change, and the only reason Christians aren't is because the pagan tribes converted were monogomous, with the exceptions of some tribal leaders.
Liar.
Name a non-Mormon sect that believes men can have multiple wives in heaven, while women are limited to one husband.
Name a non-Mormon sect that believes God is a polygamist.
Actually it was Stowell's nephew who brought up the charges, not his son. I'm unable to find any source for Joseph advertising his services to find pirate gold except on well-known anti-mormon sites. I distinguish between critic and anti-mormon. Joseph was in Canada preaching, not trying to escape the arm of the law (there were other times he fled).
Perhaps “advertised” is the wrong word. Still, his neighbors described his magical treasure-hunting (and the treasure people searched for at that time and place was pirate treasure. Aargh).
The Bank's problem was that it was too trusting of people to pay back loans they took out.
The loans were no problem. The Bank printed the banknotes to be lent. It failed when people tried to redeem those for gold/silver the Bank didn’t really have.
Brigham most definitely did not order the Mountain Meadows Massacre. It was orchestrated by the stake president (Isaac Haight). Haight claimed to have received a letter from Brigham ordering the killing of every man, woman, and child, but the real rider from Brigham arrived the day after the massacre. The rider's letter (with Brigham's seal) said to let the settlers pass in peace, but not to trade with them (Utah Territory was in a state of martial law in preparation of the approaching army; thus all supplies were to be kept for Mormons to survive any possible siege). John D Lee was offered up as a scape goat and had every reason to denounce Brigham, but John placed the blame at Haight's feet. The so-called confession of John D Lee has been proven to be a fabrication of his lawyer (Lee couldn't afford the lawyer, so the lawyer made his money from selling the false confession). The metal plate confession was also found to be fake.
Given the near-absolute control Young had over the territory, it’s hard to believe that his followers would dare undertake the massacre without permission, especially with the US Army marching towards Salt Lake City. The Mormon Reformation had just reinforced the important of obeying Young, and blood atonement was the doctrine du jour. Mormons were also making their secret oath of vengeance. Add in Young’s actions and remarks when he visited the site, and it seems clear that he ordered the massacre. Still, we'll never be completely sure.
I'm sorry to come on so strong. My coffee maker's on the fritz, so I'm really irritable.
Because of contradictory accounts, the validity of the 1826 charges are called into question. Also note that Josiah Stowell refused to testify (it was his nephew which brought up charges) and according to Joseph's testimony, Stowell instigated the search for lost Spanish gold.
Joseph Smith was advertising himself as being able to scry for buried pirate treasure with a rock he found. Josiah Stowell believed this and hired him. However, whenever Stowell dug to where the treasure was supposed to be, Smith would tell him that an enchantment had caused the treasure to sink deeper. Stowell's son saw this as an obvious con and brought in the authorities, but Stowell believed in Smith and refused to testify. Smith was convicted anyway.
At this time in official Mormon history, Smith was getting regular visits from the Angel Moroni and was just about to get the Golden Plates, which he would then translate using that same rock. Something smells really fishy.
The 1837 bank charges are against the Kirtland Safety Society and not Joseph individually. The Kirtland city charter had given permission to print money, but the state later refused to recognize it, leading to the bank fraud charges when the bank failed. As an aside, the bank failed when members failed to repay loans.
God told Smith to form a bank (that bit's usually not mentioned). He and associates formed the Kirtland Safety Society and applied for a state banking permit, but were denied twice. At that point, they said "fuck it", formed the "Anti Banking Company", and fired up the printing presses. Smith then told his flock "It is wisdom and according to the mind of the Holy Spirit, that you should [...] call on us and take stock in our Safety Society." These days he'd be pushing BTC futures on slashdot. He took in his flock's gold and silver and printed far more money than he ever had collateral for. When the bank collapsed and the money in his followers' hands became worthless, he fled to Canada and was convicted in absentia, leaving lots of his followers bankrupt. Mormonism nearly died with the bank, but he managed to keep enough followers to start over when he returned to the US.
These are the kinds of things that the Mormon church tries to hide, as they are inconsistent with the myth that has been built up around Joseph Smith. I've forgotten the point of all this though. Polygamy and Mormon violence, maybe? The Mountain Meadow Massacre? That was likely directly ordered by Brigham Young, though any evidence is long since destroyed, and he absolutely approved of it after the fact, as recorded by the next Mormon prophet, John Taylor.
Mormonism has such an ugly history. The version peddled by the church as "Mormon History" has so many deliberate omissions and distortions of the truth, it's easier to just call it a lie.
Do not ask a Muslim to accurately portray Catholic history. If you want to learn real Mormon history, go to the source and not our enemies.
I do not trust Mormon history from official Mormon sources. Neither should you.
âoeI have a hard time with historians... because they idolize the truth. The truth is not uplifting; it destroys. Historians should tell only that part of the truth that is inspiring and uplifting.â
- Boyd K Packer, Mormon Apostle
In 1826, Joseph Smith was convicted of "glass-looking" (selling his services as a treasure hunter for which he used the same magic rock he later used to translate the Book of Mormon).
In 1837, Joseph Smith was convicted of bank fraud.
Why did you make a statement that is patently false? Oh right, to defend the reputation of your "prophet".
In 1820 Joseph Smith Jr had his First Vision in the Sacred Grove near Manchester, New York. On September 21, 1823 Joseph had a vision wherein he was first visited by the Angel Moroni.
Joseph Smith initially claimed to have been visited by the Angel Nephi. "Moroni" was a retcon when the Mormon church realized his early stories were wildly inconsistent.
Learn real Mormon history, not the synthetic tripe the church pushes, and you'll see Mormonism for what it really is.
And what do they think is on the bottom side of the flat world? Surely as you approach the bounding ice wall gravity will be pulling you more and more toward the center of the disk so would be walking on a slant with your head toward the edge. If you climbed the wall you could then walk normally down the edge of the disk (I'm assuming a pressure suit would be required) and then reach the underside. This would be entirely new territory, equal in area to the entire world we know, ripe for real estate development and mining.
Gravity itself is an illusion - that is, the earth is accelerating upward at 1g, which is indistinguishable from gravity only so long as we stay on top. You'll need to rappel down the sides, and if you make it to the other side of the earth, you will fall, or see the earth falling away from you, as they are one and the same.
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He won the name game.
Colombians.
You may not like the NYT, but they certainly do have editors who curate. Google is just an index of whatever is out there.
I looked it up. compleat adjective & verb: archaic spelling of complete. Interesting. Thanks for the trivia.
Liar.
Name a non-Mormon sect that believes men can have multiple wives in heaven, while women are limited to one husband.
Name a non-Mormon sect that believes God is a polygamist.
Perhaps “advertised” is the wrong word. Still, his neighbors described his magical treasure-hunting (and the treasure people searched for at that time and place was pirate treasure. Aargh).
The loans were no problem. The Bank printed the banknotes to be lent. It failed when people tried to redeem those for gold/silver the Bank didn’t really have.
Given the near-absolute control Young had over the territory, it’s hard to believe that his followers would dare undertake the massacre without permission, especially with the US Army marching towards Salt Lake City. The Mormon Reformation had just reinforced the important of obeying Young, and blood atonement was the doctrine du jour. Mormons were also making their secret oath of vengeance. Add in Young’s actions and remarks when he visited the site, and it seems clear that he ordered the massacre. Still, we'll never be completely sure.
Do you really believe they killed John D Lee?
Joseph Smith was advertising himself as being able to scry for buried pirate treasure with a rock he found. Josiah Stowell believed this and hired him. However, whenever Stowell dug to where the treasure was supposed to be, Smith would tell him that an enchantment had caused the treasure to sink deeper. Stowell's son saw this as an obvious con and brought in the authorities, but Stowell believed in Smith and refused to testify. Smith was convicted anyway. At this time in official Mormon history, Smith was getting regular visits from the Angel Moroni and was just about to get the Golden Plates, which he would then translate using that same rock. Something smells really fishy.
God told Smith to form a bank (that bit's usually not mentioned). He and associates formed the Kirtland Safety Society and applied for a state banking permit, but were denied twice. At that point, they said "fuck it", formed the "Anti Banking Company", and fired up the printing presses. Smith then told his flock "It is wisdom and according to the mind of the Holy Spirit, that you should [...] call on us and take stock in our Safety Society." These days he'd be pushing BTC futures on slashdot. He took in his flock's gold and silver and printed far more money than he ever had collateral for. When the bank collapsed and the money in his followers' hands became worthless, he fled to Canada and was convicted in absentia, leaving lots of his followers bankrupt. Mormonism nearly died with the bank, but he managed to keep enough followers to start over when he returned to the US.
These are the kinds of things that the Mormon church tries to hide, as they are inconsistent with the myth that has been built up around Joseph Smith. I've forgotten the point of all this though. Polygamy and Mormon violence, maybe? The Mountain Meadow Massacre? That was likely directly ordered by Brigham Young, though any evidence is long since destroyed, and he absolutely approved of it after the fact, as recorded by the next Mormon prophet, John Taylor.
Mormonism has such an ugly history. The version peddled by the church as "Mormon History" has so many deliberate omissions and distortions of the truth, it's easier to just call it a lie.
I do not trust Mormon history from official Mormon sources. Neither should you. âoeI have a hard time with historians... because they idolize the truth. The truth is not uplifting; it destroys. Historians should tell only that part of the truth that is inspiring and uplifting.â - Boyd K Packer, Mormon Apostle
In 1826, Joseph Smith was convicted of "glass-looking" (selling his services as a treasure hunter for which he used the same magic rock he later used to translate the Book of Mormon). In 1837, Joseph Smith was convicted of bank fraud. Why did you make a statement that is patently false? Oh right, to defend the reputation of your "prophet".
Joseph Smith initially claimed to have been visited by the Angel Nephi. "Moroni" was a retcon when the Mormon church realized his early stories were wildly inconsistent. Learn real Mormon history, not the synthetic tripe the church pushes, and you'll see Mormonism for what it really is.
Choose the one that helps you win the argument.
Gravity itself is an illusion - that is, the earth is accelerating upward at 1g, which is indistinguishable from gravity only so long as we stay on top. You'll need to rappel down the sides, and if you make it to the other side of the earth, you will fall, or see the earth falling away from you, as they are one and the same.
If only someone would travel back in time and kill Huntington as a baby.
Pakistan's already got nukes, you know.
Surely there are electronics on the warhead that control detonation. Those would be nice to take out.
Someone needs to explain to the military how acronyms work.
A British sachet is an American packet. Try a dictionary instead of an encyclopedia.
You do realize that's just a soap opera, right?
ICQ?
Use a really big magnet.
Technology makes things easier.
Or thoroughly lick the skin, then spit. That ought to do it.
Or rent out your cart to pay for a bobsled.
As a former smoker, I don't care whatsoever if someone vapes around me, even if they're in my home.
I was going to quote the same fragment, and also include some lame text. Sigh.
To rephrase that, SpaceX charges far less than the competition while still turning a profit.