Nope. Had nothing to do with it. But hey, don't let dry, rational analysis get in the way of liberal slogan-shouting! Evaluating your army's performance is just too geeky to be stylish. It'll never get you a table at Studio 54.
It's pretty clear that almost the entire debacle can be laid at the feet of McNamara and Kissinger. These two (and others) need to be delivered up to war crimes tribunals for appropriate treatment.
Er...hm. The USA was only 30 minutes away. The missiles took the closest path...across the pole. Europeans educated with substandard Mercator projection maps throughout their schooling can possibly be excused for missing this point, along with the point that the USA repeatedly put its ass on the line for Europe, only to receive lukewarm thanks at best, and outright hostility at worst. Ever wonder why the Soviets withdrew their medium-range missiles? Nah, better not investigate that subject, it might bring some skeletons out of the closet.
That's what happens when you send draftees in to do a soldier's job. The U.S. military stopped using conscription after Vietnam, due to the fact that units composed of these soldiers repeatedly failed in their missions. In addition, their poor discipline resulted in occasional atrocities. European militaries still persist with this outdated tradition for some strange reason.
Of course, if the conscript troops had spotted any submarines, the Swedish would have probably just blamed America. They had a long tradition of turning a blind eye to systematic Soviet provocations and instead blaming NATO forces...for example the famous Whiskey on the Rocks incident.
Ooh, your powers of deduction are exeptional. I simply can't allow you to waste them here when there are so many crimes going unsolved at this very moment. Go, go for the good of the city!
Mod someone UP for being P.C.? Are you kidding? P.C.-ness is horribly repellent. It needs to go the way of the dodo. Obviously legos are called that, and some European corporation can stick it where the sun doesn't shine if they don't like it.
And just in case the above quotes are too oldy moldy for anyone's taste, here's one more, more recent:
"While Dan Rather attempts to rationalize the network's heartless decision to air this despicable 'terrorist propaganda video,' it is beyond our comprehension that any mother, wife, father or sister should have to relive this horrific tragedy and watch their loved one being repeatedly terrorized," the family said.
"Terrorists have made this video confident that the American media would broadcast it and thereby serve their exact purpose. By showing this video, CBS or any other broadcaster willing to show it proves that they fall without shame into the terrorists' plan."
-- Mariane Pearl, May 15, 2002
Nothing new there. People like to pretend that Fox invented slanted reporting.
"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to
have."
-- Richard Salant, President of CBS News forty years ago
"We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose to deal with".
-- Richard M. Cohen, former Senior Producer of CBS political news
I must remind you of the incompetence of the programmers there. At long last we did implement SMTP auth, after several failed attempts. It sucked, though, it cost me many evenings spent in the office performing upgrades and then rolling them back. We were sending out 50,000 spams a day and then our traffic went down to about 900 messages a day.
If you ever had to work with them, you'd understand. They just did things in a wierd way, like the Russian guy who thought that his NT boxes needed to send out 20k/s of broadcast packets per second in order to function properly. Put 5 boxes on the same subnet, 100k/s. The Russians weren't half bad, though...some of the other guys didn't shower and smelled TERRIBLE. One of my co-workers actually used Gentlehints.com (defunct) to send a polite letter requesting one gentleman to please bathe at least every other day.
I understand why it might be perceived as racism, but there's no racial part of it (the worst programmers were white Russians). It's just a knee-jerk invocation of "racism" because you were probably indoctrinated that way.
I worked at a company that ran open relays. I couldn't get them to shut them down, either. It was because we used a web-based email service, and they wanted people to be able to send mail with Outlook using our mail servers. The system was originally implemented on a unix platform by programmers who had mostly worked with windows in their careers. They were pretty clueless about everything...for example, our SQLnet port was wide-open to the world before I got it firewalled off, and the username was the domain name and the password was the company name spelled backwards. I told them about reply-to and other such measures, but was told that was unacceptable, we needed to keep the relays open. One manager was even demoted and eventually let go because he took it on his own authority to close down the relays one weekend because we were being used to spread the Nigerian bank account spam.
The real problem? Wierd foreign programmers who don't understand How Things Work and moreover don't care, and executives that just want a working system and to hell with being a good netizen.
check out this story. reporters are quietly fired all the time. The NYT does it, too. They couldn't in this case because the NYT's plagarism was exposed by a third party.
Yup, it's ignorance and arrogance just like this that keeps the truth from coming out, and results in situations like the Blair scandal. "We don't need to know" is an awful way to think.
Funny the Rodney King scenario is mentioned...of course we all know that Rodney King attacked the police, who then delivered the beating. We all know this, right? It's what really happened.
As a matter of fact, typically these video systems are used in the opposite manner, when people (or groups whose agendas require police brutality in order to advance) make false claims. The videos then refute the perjured testimony.
Also, our police chase shows will have much better quality, which can only be an improvement.
Er...no. Second World has an established definition, and it has nothing to do with being "between" First and Third world standards. You're not "tweaking" the vocabulary, you're misusing it. Invent a new word if you need to.
FYI, Second World living conditions were great. No cause for complaint among anyone who lived under them. I know it's true because I read it in the New York Times and the New Republic.
You know lots of total geeks (for some reason you call them "hardcore"...I don't know about you but when I think "hardcore" I think of Gypsy Jokers and Chechen Mujihadeen), and they're not fat losers? Man, have you ever been to a gaming convention? The place is thick with them.
You assume I'm a paying subscriber to Salon.com. This alone speaks volumes about your biased and parochial world view, which seems to want to excuse this horrible mess (and make no mistake, this is bigger than Enron and Tyco put together).
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It's pretty clear that almost the entire debacle can be laid at the feet of McNamara and Kissinger. These two (and others) need to be delivered up to war crimes tribunals for appropriate treatment.
Er...hm. The USA was only 30 minutes away. The missiles took the closest path...across the pole. Europeans educated with substandard Mercator projection maps throughout their schooling can possibly be excused for missing this point, along with the point that the USA repeatedly put its ass on the line for Europe, only to receive lukewarm thanks at best, and outright hostility at worst. Ever wonder why the Soviets withdrew their medium-range missiles? Nah, better not investigate that subject, it might bring some skeletons out of the closet.
Of course, if the conscript troops had spotted any submarines, the Swedish would have probably just blamed America. They had a long tradition of turning a blind eye to systematic Soviet provocations and instead blaming NATO forces...for example the famous Whiskey on the Rocks incident.
Ooh, your powers of deduction are exeptional. I simply can't allow you to waste them here when there are so many crimes going unsolved at this very moment. Go, go for the good of the city!
I thought the picture was of a man. No wonder "she" is heavily into feminazism.
Misspelling words is completely different from disobediently refusing to obey the dictates of a litigous European corporation.
Mod someone UP for being P.C.? Are you kidding? P.C.-ness is horribly repellent. It needs to go the way of the dodo. Obviously legos are called that, and some European corporation can stick it where the sun doesn't shine if they don't like it.
"While Dan Rather attempts to rationalize the network's heartless decision to air this despicable 'terrorist propaganda video,' it is beyond our comprehension that any mother, wife, father or sister should have to relive this horrific tragedy and watch their loved one being repeatedly terrorized," the family said.
"Terrorists have made this video confident that the American media would broadcast it and thereby serve their exact purpose. By showing this video, CBS or any other broadcaster willing to show it proves that they fall without shame into the terrorists' plan."
-- Mariane Pearl, May 15, 2002
"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
-- Richard Salant, President of CBS News forty years ago
"We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose to deal with".
-- Richard M. Cohen, former Senior Producer of CBS political news
I must remind you of the incompetence of the programmers there. At long last we did implement SMTP auth, after several failed attempts. It sucked, though, it cost me many evenings spent in the office performing upgrades and then rolling them back. We were sending out 50,000 spams a day and then our traffic went down to about 900 messages a day.
I understand why it might be perceived as racism, but there's no racial part of it (the worst programmers were white Russians). It's just a knee-jerk invocation of "racism" because you were probably indoctrinated that way.
Dictionary definition of "Foreign": Located away from one's native country.
The real problem? Wierd foreign programmers who don't understand How Things Work and moreover don't care, and executives that just want a working system and to hell with being a good netizen.
I don't know about you, but when I'm doing menial labor like working a cash register, I turn my brain OFF. It hurts less that way.
check out this story. reporters are quietly fired all the time. The NYT does it, too. They couldn't in this case because the NYT's plagarism was exposed by a third party.
Er, no, that's the "Third Estate".
Yup, it's ignorance and arrogance just like this that keeps the truth from coming out, and results in situations like the Blair scandal. "We don't need to know" is an awful way to think.
Also, the Lacresha Murray was broken by the New York Times, and we all know what kind of reporting they're capable of.
Funny the Rodney King scenario is mentioned...of course we all know that Rodney King attacked the police, who then delivered the beating. We all know this, right? It's what really happened.
Also, our police chase shows will have much better quality, which can only be an improvement.
FYI, Second World living conditions were great. No cause for complaint among anyone who lived under them. I know it's true because I read it in the New York Times and the New Republic.
You know lots of total geeks (for some reason you call them "hardcore"...I don't know about you but when I think "hardcore" I think of Gypsy Jokers and Chechen Mujihadeen), and they're not fat losers? Man, have you ever been to a gaming convention? The place is thick with them.
That's even more irritating than the NY Times registration requirement.
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You assume I'm a paying subscriber to Salon.com. This alone speaks volumes about your biased and parochial world view, which seems to want to excuse this horrible mess (and make no mistake, this is bigger than Enron and Tyco put together).