Seriously? You think we buy houses because we're stupid and fall for marketing tricks? We buy houses because they're nice and have yards. Ever lived in an apartment and had the unit one floor up get renovated? 8am sanding and drilling? What about assholes who blast music at 2am? People the world 'round prefer single family dwellings. The largest they can afford. It's not some stupidity like you imply.
Ironically, a backdoor controlled by the Chinese government is no threat to me. What could they possibly do? On the other hand, the NSA having backdoors into my communications is a real threat indeed.
Ezra Klein
You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing...
Bernie Sanders
Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal.
Ezra Klein
Really?
Bernie Sanders
Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States....
Ezra Klein
But it would make...
Bernie Sanders
Excuse me...
Ezra Klein
It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?
Bernie Sanders
It would make everybody in America poorer - you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.
You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you're a white high school graduate, it's 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?
I think from a moral responsibility we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer.
Ezra Klein
Then what are the responsibilities that we have? Someone who is poor by US standards is quite well off by, say, Malaysian standards, so if the calculation goes so easily to the benefit of the person in the US, how do we think about that responsibility?
We have a nation-state structure. I agree on that. But philosophically, the question is how do you weight it? How do you think about what the foreign aid budget should be? How do you think about poverty abroad?
Bernie Sanders
I do weigh it. As a United States senator in Vermont, my first obligation is to make certain kids in my state and kids all over this country have the ability to go to college, which is why I am supporting tuition-free public colleges and universities.
"Blame the foreigner"? Seriously? That's the oldest trick in the book. We have met the enemy, and she is us.
The Left has been doing a great job of dividing us to fight with each other themselves. This essay does a very persuasive job arguing this point, and the results are clear and visible in our society every day. The real enemy is Western civilization and specifically white people. Because the Western Right's outgroup is people who aren't Westerners. BUT the Western Left's outgroup is the Right. This is the best explanation I've ever heard at this link. A bit long but worth reading every word because it answers SO many questions.
For example, when Osama bin Laden was killed by US Navy Seals, America held spontaneous celebrations and the Left looked down their nose at it. "Don't celebrate the death of a person, no matter who it is," was the attitude. Then, a while later, Margaret Thatcher died.
The Left exploded in hate. They even held hate parades, with paper-maiche heads and everything. How was it that celebrating Osama's death was bad, but Thatcher's death was good? Because Osama was the enemy of my enemy, but Thatcher was just a plain enemy."
Sigh...it's frustrating trying to argue with you. You are saying globalism isn't a thing? Seriously? Absolutely it is. Here's Walter Cronkite making a speech about it (with a special guest appearance at the end). Try reading Carroll Quigley. He's the man who Bill Clinton called the most influential figure in his life. His book, "Tragedy and Hope" is widely cited as the globalist bible. Quigley was pro-globalist, but didn't understand why they wanted to stay in the shadows, so he wrote about the topic. He convinced a lot of people with his work, including McCain. How does it protect America to invade Iraq? We all remember McCain was a neo-con who supported the invasion, right? No WMD were ever found. GWB should have stood trial under the Nuremberg laws and have been hanged just like Halder and all the rest.
"everyone has the same rights that we so famously and proudly claimed for ourselves." - pure globalism right there. That part in Full Metal Jacket where the general says "We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over." - I always thought that pointed out the utter idiocy of expecting people from wildly different cultures to be just like us and want what we want, and the criminality of forcing them to comply with napalm - but apparently you non-ironically agree with this. WTF?
And your homophobic slur was really not appreciated.
I have no idea why it was so vitally important for us to get involved in Syria. It was obvious from day 1 that the only winners of the civil war were going to be those who sat it out. Instead, we started spending billions and arming Islamist headchoppers like al-Nusra. You know, the same Islamists who were blowing up our troops in Iraq. What are we doing in Syria?
A quick reminder: the Bush administration's central justification for the Iraq war was the belief that former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and could transfer them to al-Qaeda. The same al-Qaeda that was a mortal enemy of Saddam's Baathist regime. No such weapons were found after the invasion.
They wish to be near Linus - it enhances their status. Humans, especially males, are hardwired to seek status. It's very important to us. The conference isn't about "the community", it's about the status of the people who can go to a conference that Linus attends.
I would have thought those statements were infamous by now. They were by the dirty FBI agents who plotted to overturn the result of a democratic election.
A globalist is one who believes there should be a world government. The USA has the power so it's going to be the one to do get it done. They'll take our money which should be spent on ourselves and spend it on wars instead. Six trillion since 9/11 and things are worse than ever. Imagine us spending that money on nice things instead, like health care and free college.
Globalists aren't American patriots. They don't believe in the idea of nations. It's a contradiction in terms to have a patriotic globalist - patriots are nationalists. McCain was a globalist. The "threats" he's talking about are US, the American people. God forbid we should want to do something else with our money than make war all over the planet.
"too many Americans are content to ignore our moral and historical place as world leaders" = who decided we needed to be this in the first place? Certainly not us. Who decided our moral place is world leader? The world hates us! Have you seen the polls? Holy shit. And this was before Trump, by the way. Saudis, Guzzetti, Branco, Pinochet, Chiang, Batista, Battalion, Suharto, the Shah, Saddam Hussein, Vang Pao, Somosa, Mobutu.. just a small list of dictators supported by the US.
âoeYou will be asked to defend Americaâ(TM)s interests overseas, and thereby to defend the ideals that encompass and transcend those interests. You will protect the international order that American politics, with all its inefficiencies and human frailties, has done so much to create." Here he is literally calling for them to be mafia enforcers. They're not defending America from invasion by sea. No Barbary pirates. Nope, McCain is telling them to defend globalism.
"youâ(TM)ll know that to serve this country is to serve its ideals â" the ideals that consider every child on earth as made in the image of God and endowed with dignity and the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." This is pure globalism on display.
"I have, sometimes unwittingly and often imperfectly, served that cause all my adult life." He confesses being a globalist right here. I can't provide more convincing evidence than his own words. It's sad that you let people convince you of things which are obviously not true. Patriotism is the opposite of globalism. Heck, remember a few years ago when we were being told that patriotism was utter stupidity and American patriots are morons? Now suddenly you tell us patriotism is a good thing? Are we in Bizarro World?
Because when you fuck with people, they often have the desire to fuck with you right back. Preferably in the exact same way you did to them. This is typically known as "the cycle of violence".
For example, did you know the US meddled in the 1996 Russian election to get Yeltsin re-elected? It's absolutely true, a lot of people were proud of it at the time and it wasn't a secret. He was in fifth place with ratings in the single digits before the Americans got involved. This was disastrous for Russia, as the oligarchs and Western neo-liberal economists made a mess of things. This started the chain of events that led directly to Putin seizing power four years later. Action, reaction.
Remember the debates? Hillary was firm in wanting a no-fly zone in Syria. This would have led to direct conflict between USAF and Russian AF. It could have easily broken out into a big shooting war. Heck, I get the idea that a lot of people in DC (the unelected government, so-called deep state) would have greatly desired that. World War II hero and former U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) once observed, in a different context: "There exists a shadowy government with... its own fundraising mechanism."
Also remember, just before the inauguration, that US armored brigade landed and the jokes wrote themselves? Obama just sent tanks into Poland, that sort of thing. They then traveled to the Russian border? That was Hillary's big stick. Plant a bunch of troops near them and then start shit in Syria. But she wasn't elected, and they just did some training and then left. Peace broke out instead.
McCain wasn't an American patriot. He was a globalist. Read his address to the Naval cadets. He calls for them to go forth and be enforcers for the corporatist state.
Seriously, the idea that there are people working behind the scenes to keep the country running on a relatively straight course, and that these people actually hate the public, is absurd.
""Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. l could SMELL the Trump support."
"Yup. Out to lunch with -------- We both hate everyone and everything."
"I would recommend everybody go out and get an academic book published last year called "What Washington Gets Wrong," and it's two scholars from Johns Hopkins University who do a massive survey of senior unelected executives in government, basically the deep state, and asks them a bunch of questions. And as the authors describe the deep state has contemptuous attitudes towards the average American."
"They think they're far less educated than they actually are," he continued. "They think they are far more dependent than they actually are. They're arrogant, they believe, and say in the surveys if the American people want one thing, and they think it's wrong, they're going to push something else. There's a massive disconnect, and the deep state is real, and it's a threat to our republic form of government."
Says we behave like that. Cites evidence we don't behave like that.
What about suppressing free speech with violence isn't fascism? It's literally the definition. Progressives define speech as violence, and as such it is OK to commit actual violence instead of engaging in argument. I can point to many examples of which you are certainly aware.
Do us all a favor and don't come here. We don't need more assholes taking a dump in our mouths. If you do come here, be sure to take a walk through an inner-city neighborhood after midnight.
So what is the deep state? An organized group of officials acting as a government who are not elected by the people, operating without any Congressional approval or oversight. No deep state? "Each member of the administration must ask themselves how they can best serve the national interestâ"by working to limit the damage imposed by the president from the inside or by resigning and speaking out."
Bill Kristol, the prominent Republican analyst who founded The Weekly Standard, wrote on Twitter, "Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state."
The second time in history a deep state or shadow government was recognized was by Senator Daniel Inouye (Hawaii) who blew the whistle on the shadow government deep state during the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlwGRIrfKcM
At the time, Inouye expressed that the "shadow government had its own funding mechanism, shadowy Navy, and Air Force freedom to pursue its own goals free from all checks and balances and free from the law itself."
Following Senator Daniel Inouye's testimony, years later a journalist named Danny Casolaro also warned about the potential of a deep state shadowy government which he deemed "The Octopus." The short end of the stick was Casolaro who was later found dead in the bathtub with his wrists on both hands slit multiple times and pages of his notes missing.
Hey, remember the Bankers' Plot? To overthrow FDR?
When Obama was in office, his speech writer called it "the Blob". It doesn't really matter what you call it, it's an unelected government and it does not give a shit about you or what you think.
"In late September 2016, Cambridge and other data vendors were submitting bids to the Trump campaign. Then-candidate Trump's campaign used Cambridge Analytica during the primaries and in the summer because it was never certain the Republican National Committee would be a willing, cooperative partner. Cambridge Analytica instead was a hedge against the RNC, in case it wouldn't share its data.
The crucial decision was made in late September or early October when Mr. Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and Brad Parscale, Mr. Trump's digital guru on the 2016 campaign, decided to utilize just the RNC data for the general election and used nothing from that point from Cambridge Analytica or any other data vendor. The Trump campaign had tested the RNC data, and it proved to be vastly more accurate than Cambridge Analytica's, and when it was clear the RNC would be a willing partner, Mr. Trump's campaign was able to rely solely on the RNC. "
So, racism and fake news. That's the only way anyone would have ever voted that way.
You still don't get why Trump won. The sheer level of insufferable arrogance from upper-middle class liberals that dominate internet discussion is a massive reason why. A huge part of why nationalism (whether it's Trump or Brexit or populist parties Swedish Democrats in Sweden, Front Nationale in France, and others throughout Europe) is seeing such a surge in support is in opposition to the CONSTANT liberal circlejerking in the media and refusal to even consider that the working class isn't a bunch of idiotic, evil racists, but bases its vote on real world experiences that they go through and rational self interest.
They are sick and tired of sneering upper middle class liberals scaremongering about anybody who isn't part of the political establishment and being called racists for wanting to maintain a national sovereignty and set of values. They are sick and tired of being told they don't know whats best for them by young people who have never experienced Britain before the EU. People are sick and tired of ad hominems being the dominant form of discourse from the left whenever issues relating to protecting our national borders and culture come up. They are sick and tired of their acquaintances screaming on Facebook UNFRIEND ME IF YOU SUPPORT TRUMP YOU RACIST BIGOT.
The entire mendacious edifice built around shaming people who dissent against the PC orthodoxy of cultural relativism and globalism is doing nothing but backfiring on the left all over the world, and will continue to do so. The upper class journalism/media types who tend to lean left, and liberals in New York who don't see a problem with globalism are the types of people who aren't affected by it like the native working class. They get to live in gated communities and in expensive apartments surrounded by other upper-middle class liberals, and don't have to interact with those Muslim migrants who are completely unwilling to assimilate into Western culture like the working class who lives around them.
They also aren't as affected by the complete gutting of industrial jobs, the massive increases in real estate prices completely pricing average Americans out of their home ownership or the huge pressure on the labor market and welfare system by lax immigration policies. It's easy to pat yourself on the back and circlejerk how cosmopolitan and tolerant you are for supporting virtue signalling policies when they don't directly affect you, and call everyone who dissents a bigot. The multicultural utopian worldview would quickly collapse when faced with the reality that working class people deal with, and perhaps maybe then they wouldn't just dismiss their perfectly valid concerns. And maybe the left may start seeing the votes not constantly slip away into the arms of populists who at least listen to these concerns, instead of demonizing them.
And until all of the professional class elitists get their head out of their little bubble and get in touch with what matters to the common man, we will continue coming out to the voting booth and burning your entire globalist establishment to the fucking ground.
Most of the Americans who react like this are just tired. They're tired of their country being the butt of every dumb joke for the last half century. They're tired of every comment about their country being that it's a vile racist shithole. They're tired of the entire world looking down on their country, regardless of whether they've ever actually seen it. They're tired of every positive aspect of America being downplayed or overlooked for the past fifty years.
But apparently you can't stop being an asshole towards Americans. Well, enjoy a world where America is less engaged. After all, you spitefully demanded this.
Boy, with hate-filled attitudes like that, you're certainly going to get people to vote for you.
It was precisely this contempt and bile for the people that got Trump into office in the first place. Apparently you have learned nothing. Here's something that bears repeating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Once upon a time I was a liberal. Well, to be honest, less than a year ago I was still a liberal. I became a liberal because I felt I'd found a tribe whose values aligned with my own.
I staunchly reject racism of any kind. I reject the marginalization of any human being based off of their gender or sexual orientation. I reject tyrannical groupthink. I reject a system which allows an ambitious, misinformed, and dogmatic mob to suppress free speech, create false narratives, and then apathetically steamroll over the truth. I reject the acceptance of junk science and superstition to advance ideological agendas. I reject hate.
These are the reasons I became a liberal.
And these are the same reasons why I am now walking away.
For years now, I have watched as the left has devolved into intolerant, inflexible, illogical, hateful, misguided, ill-informed, Un-American, hypocritical, menacing, callous, ignorant, narrow-minded, and at times blatantly fascistic behavior and rhetoric. Liberalism has been co-opted and absorbed by the very characteristics it claims to fight against.
I have watched for years as people on the left have become anesthetized to their own prejudices and bigotry and the prejudices and bigotry of those around them who echo their values.
I have watched as formerly sensible people, who claim to reject racism, have come to embrace the principles of hating and universally blaming all of societies problems on all people who have white skin.
I have witnessed the irony of advocacy for gender equality morphing into blatant hatred and intolerance of men and masculinity.
I have seen the once-earnest fight for equality for the LGBT community mutate into an illogical demonization of heteronormativity, and the push to attack and vilify our conventional concepts of gender. These same self-proclaimed victims of intolerance now turning on the gay community that they attached themselves to to further their agenda- now calling gay people "privileged" and themselves "victims" of injustice.
I have watched as the left has willingly allowed themselves to become hypnotized by false narratives and conclusions, perpetuated by social justice warriors who intentionally misrepresent and misconstrue facts, evidence, and events to confirm their own biases that everybody who does not comply with their prejudicial conclusions and follow their orders is a racist, a bigot, a nazi, a white supremacist, homophobic, islamophobic, xenophobic, misogynistic- an "alt-right extremist".
And I have watched as they used these heartless and carelessly assigned labels to intimidate, threaten, bully, silence, attack, unemploy, black list, and destroy anybody who dares to fight back.
They'll come for me⦠and then they'll come for you.
And worst of all, The Democratic Party and the liberal media has embraced, affirmed, aided and abetted this cult ideology. In an effort to gain voters and maintain power the Democratic Party that I once loved has joined forces with the extremist left. The Democratic Party and the liberal media now believe their own ill-gotten conclusions and have ominously decided that they and only they know the remedy for society ills.
The left has decided that the solution to problems with race relations in America⦠is MORE racism.
The left believes that attacking, insulting, and dehumanizing one group of people elevates another.
The left now believes that there are no boundaries when telling lies, omitting the truth, or misrepresenting facts while reporting the news, because their end justifies their means.
The government the American people elected. Deep state operatives tell you they're working for the American people, but in fact, they think we're scum. Scratch a member of the DC establishment, and you find a would-be aristocrat who loathes the sight, the sound and the smell of common folk. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30027384-what-washington-gets-wrong
So, if anyone had any doubts that the deep state exists, this should pretty much put an end to them. This attempt at circumventing the elected government is incredibly harmful. You want to know the endgame of this? Pakistan. Pakistan is run not by the elected government, but by its intelligence community. They take actions that are in their own interest, not in the interest of the country, and as a result Pakistan is a shithole and will never get any better.
A better way to approach the problem might be to ask what does America's deep state think of you?
Schweizer said, "Well, let me tell you, I would recommend everybody go out and get an academic book published last year called "What Washington Gets Wrong," and it's two scholars from Johns Hopkins University who do a massive survey of senior unelected executives in government, basically the deep state, and asks them a bunch of questions. And as the authors describe the deep state has contemptuous attitudes towards the average American."
"They think they're far less educated than they actually are," he continued. "They think they are far more dependent than they actually are. They're arrogant, they believe, and say in the surveys if the American people want one thing, and they think it's wrong, they're going to push something else. There's a massive disconnect, and the deep state is real, and it's a threat to our republic form of government."
Talk to short haul truck drivers. They cannot compete against illegal immigrants who do not pay their load insurance.
Talk to hotel housekeepers, which used to be a unionized job with benefits.
Talk to union construction workers, who cannot compete when contractors hire undocumented workers who work at a fraction of the pay, and are easily disposed when they get injured.
Talk to the thousands upon thousands of tech workers and developers and programmers that lost their jobs to HB1 visas and had to TRAIN their replacements.
Why do we have an inability to train enough nurses and need to import them?
Functioning economy is a stretch. Not everyone goes to college. Why do you force young people to compete for their first jobs with older immigrants?
This is off the top of my head, and not some airy fairy myth I KNOW these people.
This sounds cold but not every potential immigrant's problems are our problem. Not every problem is our problem. The Americans who are hurt the most are the ones who need the low level jobs.
An absurd absolute is a restatement of the other person's reasonable position as an absurd absolute. For example, if your point is there is high crime in Detroit, the absurd absolute would be your debate opponent saying something such as "So, you're saying every person in Detroit is a criminal." When your debate opponent recasts your opinion to include an "absolute" word, such as every, always, never, all, completely, universally, and the like, you are seeing cognitive dissonance.
Some people call what I just described a strawman argument. But a strawman argument refers to any sort of inaccurate recasting of your opponent's argument. That is the generic case. I'm referring to a specific strawman argument that uses an absurd absolute. When your debate opponent recasts your point as an absurd absolute, you won the debate. That's as far as you can go.
Bernie Sanders took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union. At the height of the Cold War, when Russia was 1000 times the threat it is today. That's not just far left, that's far far far left.
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Seriously? You think we buy houses because we're stupid and fall for marketing tricks? We buy houses because they're nice and have yards. Ever lived in an apartment and had the unit one floor up get renovated? 8am sanding and drilling? What about assholes who blast music at 2am? People the world 'round prefer single family dwellings. The largest they can afford. It's not some stupidity like you imply.
Ironically, a backdoor controlled by the Chinese government is no threat to me. What could they possibly do? On the other hand, the NSA having backdoors into my communications is a real threat indeed.
The Koch Brothers are also never-Trumpers. They are pro-open borders as well. Witness this conversation between Vox and Bernie Sanders:
Ezra Klein ...
You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing
Bernie Sanders
Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal.
Ezra Klein
Really?
Bernie Sanders ...
Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States.
Ezra Klein ...
But it would make
Bernie Sanders ...
Excuse me
Ezra Klein
It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?
Bernie Sanders
It would make everybody in America poorer - you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.
You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you're a white high school graduate, it's 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?
I think from a moral responsibility we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer.
Ezra Klein
Then what are the responsibilities that we have? Someone who is poor by US standards is quite well off by, say, Malaysian standards, so if the calculation goes so easily to the benefit of the person in the US, how do we think about that responsibility?
We have a nation-state structure. I agree on that. But philosophically, the question is how do you weight it? How do you think about what the foreign aid budget should be? How do you think about poverty abroad?
Bernie Sanders
I do weigh it. As a United States senator in Vermont, my first obligation is to make certain kids in my state and kids all over this country have the ability to go to college, which is why I am supporting tuition-free public colleges and universities.
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491/bernie-sanders-vox-conversation
"Blame the foreigner"? Seriously? That's the oldest trick in the book. We have met the enemy, and she is us.
The Left has been doing a great job of dividing us to fight with each other themselves. This essay does a very persuasive job arguing this point, and the results are clear and visible in our society every day. The real enemy is Western civilization and specifically white people. Because the Western Right's outgroup is people who aren't Westerners. BUT the Western Left's outgroup is the Right. This is the best explanation I've ever heard at this link. A bit long but worth reading every word because it answers SO many questions.
For example, when Osama bin Laden was killed by US Navy Seals, America held spontaneous celebrations and the Left looked down their nose at it. "Don't celebrate the death of a person, no matter who it is," was the attitude. Then, a while later, Margaret Thatcher died.
The Left exploded in hate. They even held hate parades, with paper-maiche heads and everything. How was it that celebrating Osama's death was bad, but Thatcher's death was good? Because Osama was the enemy of my enemy, but Thatcher was just a plain enemy."
Sigh...it's frustrating trying to argue with you. You are saying globalism isn't a thing? Seriously? Absolutely it is. Here's Walter Cronkite making a speech about it (with a special guest appearance at the end). Try reading Carroll Quigley. He's the man who Bill Clinton called the most influential figure in his life. His book, "Tragedy and Hope" is widely cited as the globalist bible. Quigley was pro-globalist, but didn't understand why they wanted to stay in the shadows, so he wrote about the topic. He convinced a lot of people with his work, including McCain. How does it protect America to invade Iraq? We all remember McCain was a neo-con who supported the invasion, right? No WMD were ever found. GWB should have stood trial under the Nuremberg laws and have been hanged just like Halder and all the rest.
"everyone has the same rights that we so famously and proudly claimed for ourselves." - pure globalism right there. That part in Full Metal Jacket where the general says "We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over." - I always thought that pointed out the utter idiocy of expecting people from wildly different cultures to be just like us and want what we want, and the criminality of forcing them to comply with napalm - but apparently you non-ironically agree with this. WTF?
And your homophobic slur was really not appreciated.
Peace between America and Russia.
I have no idea why it was so vitally important for us to get involved in Syria. It was obvious from day 1 that the only winners of the civil war were going to be those who sat it out. Instead, we started spending billions and arming Islamist headchoppers like al-Nusra. You know, the same Islamists who were blowing up our troops in Iraq. What are we doing in Syria?
A quick reminder: the Bush administration's central justification for the Iraq war was the belief that former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and could transfer them to al-Qaeda. The same al-Qaeda that was a mortal enemy of Saddam's Baathist regime. No such weapons were found after the invasion.
They wish to be near Linus - it enhances their status. Humans, especially males, are hardwired to seek status. It's very important to us. The conference isn't about "the community", it's about the status of the people who can go to a conference that Linus attends.
I would have thought those statements were infamous by now. They were by the dirty FBI agents who plotted to overturn the result of a democratic election.
A globalist is one who believes there should be a world government. The USA has the power so it's going to be the one to do get it done. They'll take our money which should be spent on ourselves and spend it on wars instead. Six trillion since 9/11 and things are worse than ever. Imagine us spending that money on nice things instead, like health care and free college.
Globalists aren't American patriots. They don't believe in the idea of nations. It's a contradiction in terms to have a patriotic globalist - patriots are nationalists. McCain was a globalist. The "threats" he's talking about are US, the American people. God forbid we should want to do something else with our money than make war all over the planet.
"too many Americans are content to ignore our moral and historical place as world leaders" = who decided we needed to be this in the first place? Certainly not us. Who decided our moral place is world leader? The world hates us! Have you seen the polls? Holy shit. And this was before Trump, by the way. Saudis, Guzzetti, Branco, Pinochet, Chiang, Batista, Battalion, Suharto, the Shah, Saddam Hussein, Vang Pao, Somosa, Mobutu .. just a small list of dictators supported by the US.
âoeYou will be asked to defend Americaâ(TM)s interests overseas, and thereby to defend the ideals that encompass and transcend those interests. You will protect the international order that American politics, with all its inefficiencies and human frailties, has done so much to create."
Here he is literally calling for them to be mafia enforcers. They're not defending America from invasion by sea. No Barbary pirates. Nope, McCain is telling them to defend globalism.
"youâ(TM)ll know that to serve this country is to serve its ideals â" the ideals that consider every child on earth as made in the image of God and endowed with dignity and the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
This is pure globalism on display.
"I have, sometimes unwittingly and often imperfectly, served that cause all my adult life."
He confesses being a globalist right here. I can't provide more convincing evidence than his own words. It's sad that you let people convince you of things which are obviously not true. Patriotism is the opposite of globalism. Heck, remember a few years ago when we were being told that patriotism was utter stupidity and American patriots are morons? Now suddenly you tell us patriotism is a good thing? Are we in Bizarro World?
Because when you fuck with people, they often have the desire to fuck with you right back. Preferably in the exact same way you did to them. This is typically known as "the cycle of violence".
For example, did you know the US meddled in the 1996 Russian election to get Yeltsin re-elected? It's absolutely true, a lot of people were proud of it at the time and it wasn't a secret. He was in fifth place with ratings in the single digits before the Americans got involved. This was disastrous for Russia, as the oligarchs and Western neo-liberal economists made a mess of things. This started the chain of events that led directly to Putin seizing power four years later. Action, reaction.
Remember the debates? Hillary was firm in wanting a no-fly zone in Syria. This would have led to direct conflict between USAF and Russian AF. It could have easily broken out into a big shooting war. Heck, I get the idea that a lot of people in DC (the unelected government, so-called deep state) would have greatly desired that. World War II hero and former U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) once observed, in a different context: "There exists a shadowy government with ... its own fundraising mechanism."
Also remember, just before the inauguration, that US armored brigade landed and the jokes wrote themselves? Obama just sent tanks into Poland, that sort of thing. They then traveled to the Russian border? That was Hillary's big stick. Plant a bunch of troops near them and then start shit in Syria. But she wasn't elected, and they just did some training and then left. Peace broke out instead.
The PRI in Mexico rigged elections for 80 years using nothing but paper ballots.
McCain wasn't an American patriot. He was a globalist. Read his address to the Naval cadets. He calls for them to go forth and be enforcers for the corporatist state.
McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five. Remember when he ran for President and the same people worshipping him today were calling him a Nazi? Are you wearing your "Sarah Palin is a Cunt" tee-shirt today? The Reclusive Leftist blogged in 2009 that it was a "major shock" to discover "the extent to which so many self-described liberals actually despise working people."
Seriously, the idea that there are people working behind the scenes to keep the country running on a relatively straight course, and that these people actually hate the public, is absurd.
""Just went to a southern Virginia Walmart. l could SMELL the Trump support."
"Yup. Out to lunch with -------- We both hate everyone and everything."
"Finally, and related to nothing, but I just saw my first Bernie Sanders bumper sticker. Made me want to key the car."
"I would recommend everybody go out and get an academic book published last year called "What Washington Gets Wrong," and it's two scholars from Johns Hopkins University who do a massive survey of senior unelected executives in government, basically the deep state, and asks them a bunch of questions. And as the authors describe the deep state has contemptuous attitudes towards the average American."
"They think they're far less educated than they actually are," he continued. "They think they are far more dependent than they actually are. They're arrogant, they believe, and say in the surveys if the American people want one thing, and they think it's wrong, they're going to push something else. There's a massive disconnect, and the deep state is real, and it's a threat to our republic form of government."
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30027384-what-washington-gets-wrong
Says we behave like that. Cites evidence we don't behave like that.
What about suppressing free speech with violence isn't fascism? It's literally the definition. Progressives define speech as violence, and as such it is OK to commit actual violence instead of engaging in argument. I can point to many examples of which you are certainly aware.
Do us all a favor and don't come here. We don't need more assholes taking a dump in our mouths. If you do come here, be sure to take a walk through an inner-city neighborhood after midnight.
http://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/07/16/around-the-halls-brookings-experts-react-to-the-trump-putin-meeting-and-nato-summit/
A foreign policy establishment that serves its own goals instead of obeying the elected government. That's the definition of "deep state".
http://www.washingtonexaminer.... "The election of Donald Trump was an assault on the federal bureaucracy"
Bill Kristol, the prominent Republican analyst who founded The Weekly Standard, wrote on Twitter, "Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state."
The second time in history a deep state or shadow government was recognized was by Senator Daniel Inouye (Hawaii) who blew the whistle on the shadow government deep state during the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlwGRIrfKcM
At the time, Inouye expressed that the "shadow government had its own funding mechanism, shadowy Navy, and Air Force freedom to pursue its own goals free from all checks and balances and free from the law itself."
Following Senator Daniel Inouye's testimony, years later a journalist named Danny Casolaro also warned about the potential of a deep state shadowy government which he deemed "The Octopus." The short end of the stick was Casolaro who was later found dead in the bathtub with his wrists on both hands slit multiple times and pages of his notes missing.
Hey, remember the Bankers' Plot? To overthrow FDR?
When Obama was in office, his speech writer called it "the Blob". It doesn't really matter what you call it, it's an unelected government and it does not give a shit about you or what you think.
"In late September 2016, Cambridge and other data vendors were submitting bids to the Trump campaign. Then-candidate Trump's campaign used Cambridge Analytica during the primaries and in the summer because it was never certain the Republican National Committee would be a willing, cooperative partner. Cambridge Analytica instead was a hedge against the RNC, in case it wouldn't share its data.
The crucial decision was made in late September or early October when Mr. Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and Brad Parscale, Mr. Trump's digital guru on the 2016 campaign, decided to utilize just the RNC data for the general election and used nothing from that point from Cambridge Analytica or any other data vendor. The Trump campaign had tested the RNC data, and it proved to be vastly more accurate than Cambridge Analytica's, and when it was clear the RNC would be a willing partner, Mr. Trump's campaign was able to rely solely on the RNC. "
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-phased-out-use-of-cambridge-analytica-data-before-election/
So, racism and fake news. That's the only way anyone would have ever voted that way.
You still don't get why Trump won. The sheer level of insufferable arrogance from upper-middle class liberals that dominate internet discussion is a massive reason why. A huge part of why nationalism (whether it's Trump or Brexit or populist parties Swedish Democrats in Sweden, Front Nationale in France, and others throughout Europe) is seeing such a surge in support is in opposition to the CONSTANT liberal circlejerking in the media and refusal to even consider that the working class isn't a bunch of idiotic, evil racists, but bases its vote on real world experiences that they go through and rational self interest.
They are sick and tired of sneering upper middle class liberals scaremongering about anybody who isn't part of the political establishment and being called racists for wanting to maintain a national sovereignty and set of values. They are sick and tired of being told they don't know whats best for them by young people who have never experienced Britain before the EU. People are sick and tired of ad hominems being the dominant form of discourse from the left whenever issues relating to protecting our national borders and culture come up. They are sick and tired of their acquaintances screaming on Facebook UNFRIEND ME IF YOU SUPPORT TRUMP YOU RACIST BIGOT.
The entire mendacious edifice built around shaming people who dissent against the PC orthodoxy of cultural relativism and globalism is doing nothing but backfiring on the left all over the world, and will continue to do so. The upper class journalism/media types who tend to lean left, and liberals in New York who don't see a problem with globalism are the types of people who aren't affected by it like the native working class. They get to live in gated communities and in expensive apartments surrounded by other upper-middle class liberals, and don't have to interact with those Muslim migrants who are completely unwilling to assimilate into Western culture like the working class who lives around them.
They also aren't as affected by the complete gutting of industrial jobs, the massive increases in real estate prices completely pricing average Americans out of their home ownership or the huge pressure on the labor market and welfare system by lax immigration policies. It's easy to pat yourself on the back and circlejerk how cosmopolitan and tolerant you are for supporting virtue signalling policies when they don't directly affect you, and call everyone who dissents a bigot. The multicultural utopian worldview would quickly collapse when faced with the reality that working class people deal with, and perhaps maybe then they wouldn't just dismiss their perfectly valid concerns. And maybe the left may start seeing the votes not constantly slip away into the arms of populists who at least listen to these concerns, instead of demonizing them.
And until all of the professional class elitists get their head out of their little bubble and get in touch with what matters to the common man, we will continue coming out to the voting booth and burning your entire globalist establishment to the fucking ground.
Most of the Americans who react like this are just tired. They're tired of their country being the butt of every dumb joke for the last half century. They're tired of every comment about their country being that it's a vile racist shithole. They're tired of the entire world looking down on their country, regardless of whether they've ever actually seen it. They're tired of every positive aspect of America being downplayed or overlooked for the past fifty years.
But apparently you can't stop being an asshole towards Americans. Well, enjoy a world where America is less engaged. After all, you spitefully demanded this.
Whataboutism. You did not refute anything that was said, you just tried to change the subject.
Boy, with hate-filled attitudes like that, you're certainly going to get people to vote for you.
It was precisely this contempt and bile for the people that got Trump into office in the first place. Apparently you have learned nothing. Here's something that bears repeating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
The government the American people elected. Deep state operatives tell you they're working for the American people, but in fact, they think we're scum. Scratch a member of the DC establishment, and you find a would-be aristocrat who loathes the sight, the sound and the smell of common folk. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30027384-what-washington-gets-wrong
So, if anyone had any doubts that the deep state exists, this should pretty much put an end to them. This attempt at circumventing the elected government is incredibly harmful. You want to know the endgame of this? Pakistan. Pakistan is run not by the elected government, but by its intelligence community. They take actions that are in their own interest, not in the interest of the country, and as a result Pakistan is a shithole and will never get any better.
A better way to approach the problem might be to ask what does America's deep state think of you?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30027384-what-washington-gets-wrong
They would very much like the Pakistani model, where there is an elected figurehead, but they rule us. For our own good, of course.
Talk to short haul truck drivers. They cannot compete against illegal immigrants who do not pay their load insurance.
Talk to hotel housekeepers, which used to be a unionized job with benefits.
Talk to union construction workers, who cannot compete when contractors hire undocumented workers who work at a fraction of the pay, and are easily disposed when they get injured.
Talk to the thousands upon thousands of tech workers and developers and programmers that lost their jobs to HB1 visas and had to TRAIN their replacements.
Why do we have an inability to train enough nurses and need to import them?
Functioning economy is a stretch. Not everyone goes to college. Why do you force young people to compete for their first jobs with older immigrants?
This is off the top of my head, and not some airy fairy myth I KNOW these people.
This sounds cold but not every potential immigrant's problems are our problem. Not every problem is our problem. The Americans who are hurt the most are the ones who need the low level jobs.
An absurd absolute is a restatement of the other person's reasonable position as an absurd absolute. For example, if your point is there is high crime in Detroit, the absurd absolute would be your debate opponent saying something such as "So, you're saying every person in Detroit is a criminal." When your debate opponent recasts your opinion to include an "absolute" word, such as every, always, never, all, completely, universally, and the like, you are seeing cognitive dissonance.
Some people call what I just described a strawman argument. But a strawman argument refers to any sort of inaccurate recasting of your opponent's argument. That is the generic case. I'm referring to a specific strawman argument that uses an absurd absolute. When your debate opponent recasts your point as an absurd absolute, you won the debate. That's as far as you can go.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/160696999931/how-to-know-you-won-a-political-debate-on-the
But why would we want to help the deplorables?
Bernie Sanders took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union. At the height of the Cold War, when Russia was 1000 times the threat it is today. That's not just far left, that's far far far left.